I can't believe how low key this channel is. Constantly consistent, really well put together videos. Not to mention hilarious content. Definitely gonna hit a million subscribers at some point. It has to.
I got into it when I started going to a local games meetup weekly. The guy that runs it backs a lot of kickstarters and has over 600 games whether they're good or not. I am really selective with my games, due to money and the space they take up. So if I play one at the meetup and love it, I'll have it in my mind to get it. But over the course of two years playing, I've only bought 4 games with another 2 in my head that are too big right now. So I'd suggest playing them first and being selective rather than hoarding, especially putting consideration into who you're likely to play with - hardcore gamers, family, semi-interested friends etc.
I was on the fence for months about buying Fury of Dracula (3rd ed.), and in the meantime I watched all the reviews, how-tos and sessions on YT and when I finally decided to buy the game I realized it was out of stock and out of print everywhere and the price on the second hand market had sky rocketed. I wrote to the publisher, I wrote to the company owning the IP, I wrote to stores all over Europe and even to BG cafes until I found a SH copy in excellent condition at the original price, delivered by a truck driver in a shady spot near a warehouse. The search took months, but it was actually the best part and gave me great enjoyment. I played the game only once, I liked it, but it didn't feel as good as the search for a rare item.
Earlier this year after much time spent on mental arthmetics I decided to buy Twilight Imperium 4th edition. Few days after that lockdown started where I live. Between multiple lockdowns, work, I was able to play it exactly once. I am passing it each day sitting there on the shelf, and I am dying inside a bit each day...
I did not know board games have evolved so much till recently when i accedently stumbled upon a board game reviewer video on youtube. It piqued my interest and i tried them and loved the experience. Now im trying to turn my group of video gamers into board gamers which is quite a difficult task so far.
Interesting video! Such a difficult task pricing games. We are indie designers and we try to keep this fair for buyers but we don't have the buying power of the big companies. Once you add shipping (which has quadrupled since covid), local postage, storage, production, tax and a profit? it soon adds up to the RRP. We don't yet have distributors (we would like to) but we just don't have the margins so we sell direct to shops, which seems to work.
its interesting the way manufacture normally happens, i wonder if there is a "dedicated" board game factory out there that makes plastic dice cards manuals and board in the same building if not i wonder why not? Another Great video Guys! Stay Hexy!
Seriously, it's only a matter of time until I only watch Wrestletalk and WT affiliated channels like Phenoma-nerds, cause you all keep knocking it out of the park.
I hear you with expensive games can be; my roommate poured in several hundred if not thousand dollars into our collection, especially getting all of the expansions for Elder Sign. I was lucky to be able to snag a used but complete copy of the Doom 2003 board game and its expansion for $40, considering how expensive either can go on ebay, nowadays.
Thank you doing this subject! Board game pricing can seem crazy if you are not prepared for it. Personally I found board game sims a great way to tell if you enjoy a game, Table Top Simulator exposed me to all sorts of games I love that I might not have heard about otherwise, but there are more than a few to check out.
LAURIE: This is a really good shout too - doesn't work for everything in my experience, but with a bit of perseverance you can get a really good idea of how things play
I am probably in denial (comes with the hobby) but when you compare the cost of some games to how much enjoyment value they bring, they do not look that expensive anymore. The thing is you NEED to play a game X times to get the cost worth. Personally I only buy games when I know I will keep them. Once in my collection, there is no way out. I don't trade nor sell, so my collection is very small and specific to me. My main issue with the hobby is that we seem to have reach (in Comics terms) the 90s. We are past the Golden and Silver Age. We are now in an age of overproduction and exessiveness that I am not so fond of. Some games are just TOO much and just like in the 90s Comics where everything was full of pockets, big guns, big shoulder pads... OMG the shoulder pads... Some games are just too much lately (Kickstarter exclusives I am looking at you!)
I say "For Science" before I make a purchase. This way if I dont like the game I dont feel so bad. On the other hand, if I do like the game, then the experiment was a success. Either way, my conscience is clear. 😁
The end bit is exactly how I feel about board games. They are only expensive if you keep buying and buying: game are replayable and multiplayer. It comes out really cheap over time.
I often hear that cost comparison for cinema. But it's actually not true. If me and 3 friends go to the cinema it might cost me 12 quid, but the full cost is 48 quid. If the game gets 2 hours worth of play then it's the same value proposition. Sure I'm footing the entire cost, and maybe I can't always afford to do that, but I ask myself... If I was gonna foot the cost for my friends to have an entertaining night would I rather buy 4 cinema tickets or a game? The game has resell value. Can be replayed. Games really aren't expensive... Well, most aren't. On an entirely unrelated note, anyone wanna play twilight imperium 4 with me? Bought it at start of lockdown... It's basically burning a hole in my shelf.
I understand that producing a game is expensive and requires a lot of effort as well as time, but you have to understand, however, that there has to be a limit and you cannot always raise the price by exploiting the fact that it is a passion for many. As a 3d printer owner I often wonder how some prices are so high, because printing miniatures on an amateur level is cheap, then think on an industrial level! The main problem is the whole chain of production and how the money is unfairly redistributed. In the end, the price is so much higher than the cost of production because so much money goes into the pockets of the producer, while the creator and artists (who play the most important role) pocket the least, which I think is shameful! In my opinion, if 3d printers would further lower their cost of purchase and use and therefore be more entrenched in people's homes, the board game/wargame market will have to be completely overhauled, also because I personally would be willing to pay 40 dollars less for a game in exchange for having only the absolutely necessary pieces and not having the most expensive miniatures already printed, but the Stl file so print it myself
LAURIE: Think how much UK cash it would take to have a wad like that? Also, I haven't really been using cash this year because most places won't take it during Covid, but I had some dollars laying around the house
@@ryan_alexander true but it’s not very useful outside of America. Can’t take it down to the vending machine in London and get a soda for example, so which still leaves me with my question, does he keep American money to use as a prop or live in America
LAURIE: It's just left over from a visit! Thought it would be an easier prop than getting £25 out from the bank, we don't have £1 bills so it gets a bit pricey for a throwaway gag (I know I get to keep the money, but still)
I can't believe how low key this channel is. Constantly consistent, really well put together videos. Not to mention hilarious content. Definitely gonna hit a million subscribers at some point. It has to.
Might just be another generic comment; but I love this channel
Definitely a generic comment. A necessary one though 👌
Do I really need another expensive hobby that requires more people to enjoy? Of course I do.
Don't forget, there is also the bonus that they take up lots of shelf space!
The struggle
I got into it when I started going to a local games meetup weekly. The guy that runs it backs a lot of kickstarters and has over 600 games whether they're good or not. I am really selective with my games, due to money and the space they take up. So if I play one at the meetup and love it, I'll have it in my mind to get it. But over the course of two years playing, I've only bought 4 games with another 2 in my head that are too big right now. So I'd suggest playing them first and being selective rather than hoarding, especially putting consideration into who you're likely to play with - hardcore gamers, family, semi-interested friends etc.
I was on the fence for months about buying Fury of Dracula (3rd ed.), and in the meantime I watched all the reviews, how-tos and sessions on YT and when I finally decided to buy the game I realized it was out of stock and out of print everywhere and the price on the second hand market had sky rocketed.
I wrote to the publisher, I wrote to the company owning the IP, I wrote to stores all over Europe and even to BG cafes until I found a SH copy in excellent condition at the original price, delivered by a truck driver in a shady spot near a warehouse. The search took months, but it was actually the best part and gave me great enjoyment.
I played the game only once, I liked it, but it didn't feel as good as the search for a rare item.
Earlier this year after much time spent on mental arthmetics I decided to buy Twilight Imperium 4th edition. Few days after that lockdown started where I live. Between multiple lockdowns, work, I was able to play it exactly once. I am passing it each day sitting there on the shelf, and I am dying inside a bit each day...
Same man... Except I haven't been able to get it to the table. Eating at me
Ouch.
Money Isn't Everything, It's The Only Thing
I did not know board games have evolved so much till recently when i accedently stumbled upon a board game reviewer video on youtube. It piqued my interest and i tried them and loved the experience. Now im trying to turn my group of video gamers into board gamers which is quite a difficult task so far.
Really interesting video! Keep up the good work!
Phenomenal content. Good stuff, subscribed
Interesting video! Such a difficult task pricing games. We are indie designers and we try to keep this fair for buyers but we don't have the buying power of the big companies. Once you add shipping (which has quadrupled since covid), local postage, storage, production, tax and a profit? it soon adds up to the RRP. We don't yet have distributors (we would like to) but we just don't have the margins so we sell direct to shops, which seems to work.
its interesting the way manufacture normally happens, i wonder if there is a "dedicated" board game factory out there that makes plastic dice cards manuals and board in the same building if not i wonder why not? Another Great video Guys! Stay Hexy!
Your tag line during the money bit "come roll with me" should be the name of this question segment.
Seriously, it's only a matter of time until I only watch Wrestletalk and WT affiliated channels like Phenoma-nerds, cause you all keep knocking it out of the park.
I hear you with expensive games can be; my roommate poured in several hundred if not thousand dollars into our collection, especially getting all of the expansions for Elder Sign. I was lucky to be able to snag a used but complete copy of the Doom 2003 board game and its expansion for $40, considering how expensive either can go on ebay, nowadays.
I bought a Localised monopoly that i intend to never play.
It was put together by a local hospice charity .
I only bought it to support that charity
The algorithm sent me here after watching a guy open a $900 pack of football cards. Board games are not expensive.
Thank you doing this subject! Board game pricing can seem crazy if you are not prepared for it.
Personally I found board game sims a great way to tell if you enjoy a game, Table Top Simulator exposed me to all sorts of games I love that I might not have heard about otherwise, but there are more than a few to check out.
LAURIE: This is a really good shout too - doesn't work for everything in my experience, but with a bit of perseverance you can get a really good idea of how things play
Yes! Finally! A video by El Fakeador!!
I am probably in denial (comes with the hobby) but when you compare the cost of some games to how much enjoyment value they bring, they do not look that expensive anymore. The thing is you NEED to play a game X times to get the cost worth. Personally I only buy games when I know I will keep them. Once in my collection, there is no way out. I don't trade nor sell, so my collection is very small and specific to me. My main issue with the hobby is that we seem to have reach (in Comics terms) the 90s. We are past the Golden and Silver Age. We are now in an age of overproduction and exessiveness that I am not so fond of. Some games are just TOO much and just like in the 90s Comics where everything was full of pockets, big guns, big shoulder pads... OMG the shoulder pads... Some games are just too much lately (Kickstarter exclusives I am looking at you!)
Thanks great info!
Holy crap, I'm pretty sure I've played every one of those games at 6:38. I'm OLD. :D
Well done, new sub. :)
I say "For Science" before I make a purchase. This way if I dont like the game I dont feel so bad. On the other hand, if I do like the game, then the experiment was a success. Either way, my conscience is clear. 😁
LAURIE: Genius!
The end bit is exactly how I feel about board games. They are only expensive if you keep buying and buying: game are replayable and multiplayer. It comes out really cheap over time.
I often hear that cost comparison for cinema. But it's actually not true. If me and 3 friends go to the cinema it might cost me 12 quid, but the full cost is 48 quid. If the game gets 2 hours worth of play then it's the same value proposition. Sure I'm footing the entire cost, and maybe I can't always afford to do that, but I ask myself... If I was gonna foot the cost for my friends to have an entertaining night would I rather buy 4 cinema tickets or a game? The game has resell value. Can be replayed. Games really aren't expensive... Well, most aren't.
On an entirely unrelated note, anyone wanna play twilight imperium 4 with me? Bought it at start of lockdown... It's basically burning a hole in my shelf.
Hey! New suscriber here. Thanks for your amazing content! You should make a video about how does a game designer works.
What should a new board gamer buy? Membership in a board game club with regular board game evenings.
16:34 THIS IS SO TRUE
But, will Laurie end up buying all the expansions to Agricola and playing on stream? That is the true question.
LAURIE: Please don't make me!
This was very good.
Whoa 5:34 was getting big Vince Russo vibes from that guy, bro.
As someone who has now spent far too much money on Too Many Bones, I can attest the fact that board gaming is a bloody expensive hobby at times.
wtf?! i LOVE HP Lovecraft now!
I understand that producing a game is expensive and requires a lot of effort as well as time, but you have to understand, however, that there has to be a limit and you cannot always raise the price by exploiting the fact that it is a passion for many.
As a 3d printer owner I often wonder how some prices are so high, because printing miniatures on an amateur level is cheap, then think on an industrial level!
The main problem is the whole chain of production and how the money is unfairly redistributed.
In the end, the price is so much higher than the cost of production because so much money goes into the pockets of the producer, while the creator and artists (who play the most important role) pocket the least, which I think is shameful!
In my opinion, if 3d printers would further lower their cost of purchase and use and therefore be more entrenched in people's homes, the board game/wargame market will have to be completely overhauled, also because I personally would be willing to pay 40 dollars less for a game in exchange for having only the absolutely necessary pieces and not having the most expensive miniatures already printed, but the Stl file so print it myself
I would think 3D printing would have reduced the cost of gaming pieces.
They can cut costs by stop making overly sized boxes for their game.
Just spent 125 on games to provide the good time. I’m caught
Why is Laurie using American money though? 🤔
LAURIE: Think how much UK cash it would take to have a wad like that? Also, I haven't really been using cash this year because most places won't take it during Covid, but I had some dollars laying around the house
@@NoRollsBarred Haha perfectly fair. Besides, America is basically the poster child of capitalism, so it really does fit.
Actually speaking about the expense begins at 6.35
"Everyone likes money, that's why they call it money"
Buonocore my man, don't be telling your customers to buy less. 🤣
Laurie, do live in the states or do you keep American cash for a prop?
It's really not that hard to get American money.
@@ryan_alexander true but it’s not very useful outside of America. Can’t take it down to the vending machine in London and get a soda for example, so which still leaves me with my question, does he keep American money to use as a prop or live in America
yeah definitely a prop. these guys and gals are based in London.
LAURIE: It's just left over from a visit! Thought it would be an easier prop than getting £25 out from the bank, we don't have £1 bills so it gets a bit pricey for a throwaway gag (I know I get to keep the money, but still)
*Laughs in Australian*
How easy is it to get American dollars in the North of England?
Is American money more emblematic of the concept of money in general?
LAURIE: It's honestly the only cash I had lying around
Short answer: because capitalism
What's a quid!?
PS. u said ZATU wrong...lol nick will not be pleased lol