Discs in Video: * Trail (Neutron, 173g) * River (Gold, 175g) * Crave (Neutron/Eclipse, 170g) * Shift (Proton, 173g) * Inertia (Proton, 166g) Viewer Recommendations (Number of Mentions): * Cicada x2 * Gorgon x3 * IT * Construct * Teebird * Sapphire x2 * Jade * Passion * Leopard x2 * Mamba x5 * Tern x3, * Diamond x2 * Swan * Roadrunner * Beast x2 * Heat * Drive * Tesla * Orbit * Insanity x3 * Virus * Valkyrie x3, * Shryke * Sheriff * Sphinx * Lift * Echo * Dd * Heat * Essence * D2 (Ether Air) * D3 (Ether Air) * D4 (Ether Air) * Wave x2 * Vanish x2 * Maya * Saint * Sail * Vortex * Pipeline * Beat-in Trail/Crave with dryer method... Really appreciate all of the viewer feedback and recommendations! (The numbers after disc names show how many times they’ve been recommended so far.) One note: my form is still a work in progress, so a lot of the inconsistency in results comes from that. Disc choice is definitely not the only variable! Your feedback to improve my form has been incredibly helpful, and I’m already incorporating some suggestions. Narrowing down what will go up against my replaced Trail for the next video-feel free to keep recommending discs! Thank you for helping me grow and improve my game!
Great rundown, man! I’m 57, started playing about 5 months ago. I absolutely love the Trail! It’s right up there with my Shryke for max distance. Also love the Crave for control and not so long shots as my distance drivers. I lost my first Trail in a pond : ) Immediately ordered another one. Both the Trail and the Crave are in my bag, just different purposes. For max distance, you might also consider the Cicada, Gorgon or the Trespass. All solid flying discs for me.
Thanks so much, very solid advice and much appreciated! Congrats on the new hobby! So much fun and so rewarding! Sounds like you are gaining a good understanding of things more quickly than I started out!
Great video, thanks for posting. As a +45 player. I def recommend the bodanza sphinx, Valkyrie, streamline lift. Also don’t sleep on your mids to work on accuracy. Must Get - detour ( late turn) and streamline echo ( straight stable)
As others have mentioned, age is not the limiting factor here. I'm 54 yrs young with max arm speed of about 56mph, and generally throwing 350-360ft over flat ground with skips out to 375+. Been increasing my distance a little bit every year for the last 5. Changing/refining my form, monthly, aiming for consistent skips out to 400 by this spring. So here are my thoughts.. It's a long one, but maybe you'll get something from it. I do throw the River every day. Mine is totally neutral and is very glidey *but* it'll pretty much just stay on any line you put it, so nose up and hyzer, will be left and short. Anhyzer it'll just keep drifting right. Flat and low, it'll go arrow straight. Down a hill it can glide forever. I don't consider it a max distance disc though. Good for 300-330 over flat ground if I care where it goes. I could power it further, but hard to control where any neutral disc goes. I have a Trail but mine is a meat hook. Super overstable. Lucky to get it out 300ft if I force it over on anhyzer. Yours looks pretty overstable. I don't know why folks are so in love with this disc. It's not even in my top 20. What I do throw for max distance are the likes of the Prodigy D4 (understable very glidey driver), D3 (starts understable with good finish), or beat in D2s (slight flip up, straight to slow fade) all in either Air (light weight but crappy transparent colors) or preferred Air Spectrum (mid 160's grams, grippy and good looking) plastic. I also like a beat in Star Shryke with its 6 glide and a very slow fade. Also consider the Star Tern. Another understable 6 glide distance driver, with a thinner (vertically) rim. Anyway, when I slow down your throws and watch em frame by frame here's what I see.. 1. Not getting full coil between upper and lower body because.. you're trying to keep your head turned forward (subconsciously trying to look where you throw before you throw). Takes a while to break this habit but you don't need to try to look forward when you coil because the disc will simply go 180 degrees from where it starts, so focus on your position and form at full coil. You want your feet lined up a little left of the target, and your upper body turned almost 90 degrees from feet, pointed straight back, *looking* straight back, or at least looking back enough that your head doesn't influence your upper body angle at all. 2. Trying to reach *back* across your uncoiled upper body. This collapses your upper arm across your chest and causes rounding and a low pull through (pulling across your stomach instead of chest). It's a symptom of the same thing. Trying to keep your head turned as far forward as possible while "reaching back". Your upper arm should remain perpendicular to your chest, both horizontally and vertically from moment of full coil till release. Ok so here are my two feel cues that can help with both of these.. Cross your arms and put your left hand on your right bicep and establish a 90 degree angle between right upper arm and chest. Also lift it up a bit so your right elbow is even with your shoulders. Now coil your upper body 90 degrees to the left and straighten your right arm out keeping it relaxed while keeping your left arm braced against the bicep. Now uncoil your body (gently at first) and notice that your lower right arm just naturally collapses into the pocket in front of your chest and then whips outward while your upper arm stays perpendicular to your chest and even with your shoulders. Practice this motion without a disc for a while first, then add a disc and make some gentle throws, and then a few more with increasing power. You may find yourself applying a lot of pressure with the left hand against the right bicep as it loads up against the inertia of the disc. This tells you that your right arm is still trying to fold back across your chest and you're having to push it forward. The goal is to use your back muscles (deltoid and trapezius) to pull your right upper arm out (extension) so you *don't* feel that pressure on your bicep. You need to maintain that perpendicular angle without having to push it into that position. If you can stop that upper arm collapse you should stop feeling pain where you are currently. 2nd feel cue. Throw your left shoulder at the target to coil. Wait what? So here's the problem, we often hear people say that to coil you need to reach straight back, but reaching back should be a symptom not a cause. The problem is if you consciously reach back without coiling (as you are now), you get the upper arm collapsed across your chest, and even if you do coil then consciously reaching back often causes people to shift their weight onto the back foot when they need to stay centered over both or even onto the plant foot. Also "reaching back" often means reaching down (below shoulder level) as well, so they start with the disc low in back, causing a high release angle (launching at the sky.. Sound familiar?) So the trick is, instead of thinking "reach back". visualize yourself throwing your *left* shoulder (for RHBH) toward the target. So put your right arm in the perpendicular to chest position as above, feet lined up a little left of target and then drive your left shoulder quickly toward the target behind you. What happens? You'll find that your shoulders naturally turn 90 degrees back as far as they can, causing your core muscles to coil and your right arm naturally extends out straight behind you. The coil was the goal, the reach back is just a natural consequence of that. Any time I feel like my form or power is degrading, I return to this one. I found this one cue either reduced or cured so many little glitches, improving release angle, consistency of throw direction (fewer grip locks), and not rushing the pull through before the plant foot is down. Ok.. lastly. You've got a nose angle problem. A lot of us do. It's a constant battle. Look at your River throw slowed down and you can see your swing plane was pretty level, but it left your hand with like 15 degrees of nose up. There's a bunch of good YT videos on nose angle, so pick your poison, but if you can get your nose angle down *all* of these discs will fly so much better. Personally.. I tried the pouring tea cue.. then the back loaded (middle/ring/pinky first, holding the disc tucked high in my palm with pointer finger lightly on the rim until just before release) plus the pouring tea cue.. And then realized that my pinky was still dragging the back of the disc down (and thus the nose up) so I switched to a 3 finger power grip with the pinky curled well below the disc, and that has *largely* eliminated my high nose angle, and seems to have improved my spin rate slightly as well. There is no "one way" to fix this, but it does need to be fixed. If you've made it this far.. congrats. ;)
@@daemn42 thanks so much for your detailed analysis and cue recommendations! You have some impressive knowledge and distance ability! Also you are great at clearly describing motions and cues that I would have to show a video of to get across without it being confusing. I read every word and tried them out. So obvious when I do what you recommend for the two feel cues, I am definitely throwing exactly how you describe with the elbow down and improper reach-back. I like the 3 finger grip idea as well, I at some point got stuck on the “back-loaded” power grip and that pinky could be contributing to the nose up like you say. I was showing my kids your cues and they were seeing if their form follows mine or the recommended, one of them has a better elbow up form already, funny I didn’t notice it before. I’ll practice these and hope for some better throws. Honestly I’ll need to keep retesting different discs as my form evolves and circle back to these in the video. Next video I’ll be throwing 2 discs, one from recommendations and the other a replacement (though slightly lighter weight) Trail. Good point on the over-stability and confusing popularity of the Trail, I haven’t quite understood it yet, but think with beat in and lower weight it could be more like the Hype indicates. Anyway, work in progress and your thoughts and feedback are beyond appreciated!!
@@JamesPearsonDG Glad my description made sense to you. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.. so trying to describe something you'd normally see in a video can be pretty tough. I really should film myself again sometime soon, to see if I'm actually following my own advice.. ;)
@ really great stuff! Stay tuned, I may mention it in an upcoming video, at least briefly. Thanks again and filming myself has definitely been very informative of what I’m actually doing or not doing :)
I messed around with your suggestions at the local course today briefly during lunch break. I feel like they are helping! I'm considering doing stand still only for the next video and as I go out disc golfing for a while to try to focus in on these form improvements a little more consistently, giving hopefully a better chance at actually doing what I'm wanting to form-wise. Thanks again! Thoughts on stand-stills with this form update?
@@JamesPearsonDG Nothing wrong with going back to standstill for a while. I practice that way at home a lot. Maybe also take a look at some of the YT videos demonstrating the "one leg drill" as well as it can help focus on developing strength in the muscles that hold your upper arm perpendicular to your chest as you uncoil. The progression is one leg drill, then standstill, then one step, then X-step. One thing to keep in mind as you progress. Any time you go from working on your form to "max power" you'll tend to fall back into old habits, just be aware of it and back off a little bit. When it really clicks you'll get the distance with what feels like less effort.
Have to chime in😎. I am almost 70 and playing somewhat seriously since retirement at 66. Take a look at the Wave (Vanish in Axiom) in different plastics & weights. I have a 151g fission, 166g Neutron and 172 g Proton plastic. Under stable to over stable in that order. I can occasionally go over 370ft on flat (hit 400 once, but don’t know exactly how!) and over 450 ft down hill with the fission, but it’s too understable in a head wind. 166g neutron is a really nice s-curve at around 320 ft consistent and the 172g is straight with a nice consistent fade. The Trail is very much like the 166g Wave at the same weight. You can throw further for sure - just need to get it nose down and consistent launch angle. Keep up the good work and I love the views of Utah. GOATS!🐐🐐🐐
@@lesfritzemeier8900 wow, impressive distance! Thanks so much for sharing your discs and how they work for you! I will definitely have to add them to the queue of discs to consider and very interesting on how weight and plastic difference changes behavior! I’ve heard this a lot and will be trying it with one disc in the next video selecting a lower weight in different plastic. Thanks so much for the comment and I’m glad you’re enjoying the scenery and the goats! :)
Hey thanks for posting. I have a similair arm speed as you so learned alot from this video. I did i similar test recently. The prodigy f5 ended up beating out all my 11 and 9 speeds
Loving your videos. Thank you for making them. If I could make a comment and a suggestion. Your form looks pretty good (grip, rotation, weight transfer) and the disk is coming out clean but your reach back is back behind you (ie 4:57 mark) which is causing you to round which will make your throws inconsistent. Just a thought. We're all working on improving. Wishing you the best.
Thanks, I'm glad you are enjoying the videos! My form definitely is a work in progress, thanks for the feedback! I'll try to be conscious of that and see if I can get some better consistency! I appreciate the comment!
I throw the roadrunner as my max distance disc. Has similar numbers to the Shift, turns a little bit for me but mostly just flies straight. I need that bit of understability to keep discs on the line I want.
At our elevation (I'm from Cache Valley) you should really try the Infinite Maya. I'm 53 and it's my most consistent distance thrower; the Halo in a lighter weight (167 is my favorite) can fly amazing.
Great suggestion, I have tried the Maya before but it’s been a while. It was my best distance disc until I of course, lost it in a river and have been testing out all these other ones. I have been thinking though maybe I should try it again. Thanks for the comment and suggestion!
Okay, I'm 51 and have a spinal cord injury, but, I've been playing nearly thirty years now. I used to throw a lot further, but after the spinal cord injury and all that, I could only throw like 200 feet. I've been working my way back up, but I'm only at about 300 feet on a good throw. My furthest flying disc, and is recommend giving it a shot, is a 150 gram gstar Mamba. Thrown on a slight hyzer, that thing just goes forever. I'd also recommend a fission Insanity, ideally around 165 grams.
@@bearislandjosh5279 Wow, glad to hear you are still working it out to enjoy this sport despite the injury and still making progress! That’s awesome! Also, so many recommendations for the mamba! I’ll definitely have to get one and keep working on my form!
@JamesPearsonDG just don't get a champion or halo, those are much more ovetstable plastics. Gstar and dx are the flippiest, but I would not mess with dx. And lighter weights are your friend, I promise. I got really lucky with the injury, only my left hand got paralyzed, and I'm right handed. I had to stop powerlifting, but I can still play disc golf, and I can live with that.
I don’t have quite your distance, but I’ve been making progress with a Star Beast and a Star Gorgon. I bet you could get some really nice S curves or straight hyzer flips out of them.
I'm over 40 and have a similar arm speed, my max throw is 385 with a Trail. I will say, that a new Trail is not a long bomber for me, but once it beats in it's absolute perfection and will hit beautiful flex/S lines on a flat release and just go forever because it takes such a long time to fight out of a turn and eventually fade. I lost my beat in Trail and have started with a new one, but I'm confident I'll break 400' once this one beats in. Looking at the courses you play in this video, you may want to use the dryer method for beating in your new Trail when you get it and see how that works out for you, because it looks like there's not a lot of opportunity for hitting trees close to the teebox (the main way a disc gets beaten in). I will also say you're spot on about the Crave, but it's still an amazing disc. At our arm speed, it's the further flying disc that I can release on anhyzer and it will hold the turn for the full flight. It's a must have disc for me for getting distance on left to right shaped shots that don't fight out of the turn.
Very nice distance on the Trail! The one I lost in this video was still probably a little new, but definitely had some tree hitting. I already bought a new one this morning (I have the main infinite discs warehouse near by which is so convenient!). I went with a little lighter weight this time and may consider using the dryer method you mention. I feel like the Crave is like a slightly longer mid-range. I do like it for the more medium distance, but I need to get better with anhyzer releases to flex it as needed. Forehand it will give me more turn before the fade if I get a clean flat release. Thanks for your comment!
ive only been playing for 6 months. ive tossed a few different distance drivers.. but the one that feels the best in the hand to me so far is the Halo Mamba.. 168 i think it is. i just ordered the halo destroyer because of the Mamba.. to see how that does for me. if you some how test / try a mamba i think it should be the halo
46 here and maybe about 5-6 years into playing more often. My disc golf buddy who has a fairly similar motion to you (just based on this quick look) really hit it off with a Cicada, which flies very neutral and straight for him. Maybe I should get one too. I think you might also try out a nice plastic (ie champ, etc) Valkyrie (and I'm always partial to recommending lesser known manufacturers if I can, so this is a non-biased choice). Besides the hurdle of being new players, the other harder thing with age is flexibility and habits. Like many sports, throw sequencing bottom to top is how you get the most juice and with age and lesser flexibility, it's more difficult. And with years behind of "managing life" with your upper half, it wants to always be first to act. I'm slowly starting to get it to calm more down and lag back a little with my upper. My distance driver is a Sheriff which is slightly understable, but it's a high speed disc. I've been trying to go down in that 9-10 range and those usually fly farther in bulk distance over 10+ given the consistency motion/speed demand. Good luck!
Thanks for the very thoughtful comment! I'll keep your considerations in mind. I think I also need to relax the "upper half" a bit and likely will avoid those pains I get from many throws all together. Great to get your thoughts!
@@JamesPearsonDG No problem, and thanks for the reply. Yep I saw you talk about the shoulder pain, which is what I went through a lot and still do, though maybe a little less. It will be less an issue as things go on. Sports is a lot of working hard to do less, but it's difficult. All the best to both of us.
The Gorgon is a wonderful disc, the IT has a similar feel to the Gorgon but in a seven speed. Another one I like is the Construct by TSA, I have it in aura plastic and it’s a bomber. Also if you haven’t tried one, the good old tee-bird is a reliable disc that has a decent fade but flips up quite easily and goes straight for days.
Age doesn't determine arm speed and distance, technique, practice, proper rotation,experience and being in good physical shape and exercise regularly. I'm 45 yrs old and have been playing for a little over 20yrs now and I'm throwing Discraft Nukes,Nuke Os, Force,Flick,Reaper, etc my max distance is around 470'480' Plus I'm throwing Discraft Nuke OS Anhyzer Flex lines 450' Ev-7 Penrose putter 310' Discraft Luna 320' I have my own unique form and do a few things that is not considered perfect form but I've been doing it for years and it works for me. Also playing with better players, pros etc improves your game dramatically.
I wish I could say I’d been doing this longer, sure would have loved it all along and would be further down the road technique-wise, no regrets though, never too late to start and I hope to continue improving arm speed and form for years to come! Thanks for the the thoughtful comment!
@JamesPearsonDG yeah my step dad took me for the first time when I was 13. Played a few years. Then got into again early 2007. Then started getting more serious into it. It's all about practice and playing regularly and find the form that works for you. In my opinion there is no such thing as perfect form. Even paul says he doesn't have perfect form. I learned alot playing with better people, pros and as many courses as I could
I am 58, playing summer of 2020. Aside from the obvious inconsistencies, keep in mind that your distances are not fair comparisons. You have several shots of throwing at the same target but notice that the trajectories are not the same and therefore the distance traveled is not the same. So, some discs that you do not feel are flying as far is for one of two reasons: 1) Nose angle (up) is shortening your potential distance or 2) you are throwing flat and parallel to the ground. Distance drivers require more air time (height) with the nose down. So remember that until you correct your form you will have these inconsistencies and you may not be very happy with any one of the discs that you might choose for the minimal bag. Also, as your form improves, and it will, you will need to go through this process all over again. You did not mention weight of the discs and the plastic type. This is more important for us with slower arm speeds and less flexibility. The object is to reduce the weight until the disc can fly close to the intended flight numbers (taking into account Head or Tail wind). This becomes a small investment until you can figure out better approximations for the future. Let's use the MVP. Same weight Crave will fly very differently between Proton, Neutron, Fission, or Prism. It has to do with the density of the plastic and flexibility of the wing when torqued. With that being said, I go heavier with Prism and Fission and way lighter with the Proton (which I rarely bag b/c they are too stable for this old man).
Thanks for the feedback! My form is definitely a work in progress and good consistent form definitely will make all the difference. I'll keep in mind your request for plastics and weights going forward, and I'll add a comment to my pinned comment at the top with the specs of these discs shown in the video. I'm aware of the effects of different plastics, but haven't really tested that way up to now. There's pretty much an infinite spectrum of ways to keep improving in this game!
Hey bud, glad you found the sport. I think you can throw much further, but it looks like you're using mostly arm/sholder and missing what they call the power pocket. Has anyone mentioned that before?
I’m getting a couple comments like that, definitely a work in progress. Any pointers to improve? Others have mentioned improper reach-back, too far behind me. I’m aware of that one but tough to get used to doing it differently. I’m open to all suggestions! Thanks for taking the time to analyze a bit!
I'm in the 40+ range you should grab a cosmic neutron insanity light weight like 150ish and thank me later these things crank out ther not as good as trail but next best thing..
You should try the Lat64 Sapphire and/or the Jade. The Sapphire is a 10 speed and the Jade a 9. When the River was too flippy for me, I tried the Jade and it's reliably straight, but you can flex it pretty easy. The Sapphire is my workhorse driver that is just overstable enough to be trusted into a headwind, while also not fading out until the last 1/4 of its flight, and even then it's a soft, forward pushing fade.
I agree. Sapphire is currently my max distance disc. I was looking at the trail and a “new” River. My current river is in rough shape but does great on fairway shots when I need a little more distance then my 5 speeds will give.
I had a Jade early on... It just seemed no matter what I did.. it just went where I actually meant it to go... fairly straight.. then a quick fade and sit... 1st 300ft plus within a few months of starting (at 50+). Left it sitting in the middle of a park, named and numbered... sigh. I have an opto lined up to try but I fear it's too light (I throw 170g's and somehow manage to throw RHBH all weekend without a prob (but only get 5-6 forearms in.. carefully. After the Jade I went to a Champion Beast... Still does what it does 3 years later (good reliable 300-330 ft Basically the same as the Jade but after my arm system developed.
@@JamesPearsonDG I have several Beasts... A DX that is flippy like a Gold Orbit Diamond ... A Glow that is less flippy... And the Champion (so well used you can barely make out the writing on the clear green plastic)... The Champion fairly much behaves the same as it always has (I'm guessing Champion plastic would have to be right up there with durable plastics as there are NO dents or slices in a disc that I throw maybe 10 times a week all year round). The Champion beast is one of the few discs I trust so well, I don't look when throwing it.. At least I look down and watch it go back then across my chest, but don't look away to the target until my follow-through forces my view. Really no one can suggest a disc for anyone with perfect success, as we all throw different... I could recommend my whole bag... but I throw near dead flat with a tip forward/back to finesse, then there's my open stance frisbee yeet out and up that NO ONE uses yet I've bullseyed bags, pins and even someone's dog (ok I luckily threw wide.. and never again.. it landed 3 ft right of him at (quickly uses google maps) 160 foot across a fairway) What I will say tho... If you happen to get hold of a dead flat Tesla (Mines a Cosmic Neutron Lab 2nd)... they feel Magic for Forehand flat 250ft upshots with a HARD fade at the end.. and OMG the RHFHOH rollers... at 1pm I can get 280ft hitting the ground within 30ft of the tee... and I've had 100 ft nearly dropping it at my feet that way... (Grass permitting).
Usually attempting a flat throw, my form is definitely a work in progress and needs to get more consistent, but that's my goal. I guess I'm after the natural full flight longest range disc, given a flat release at the proper nose angle, etc. Many variables to all of this beyond the discs :)
Good question, I wish I knew, all I can say is based on the disc flight and distance I get in general, I know my arm speed is on the lower side, but I’ve never had a techdisc or tried to measure it with video or something like that. Maybe I’ll do an experiment and figure that out one of these times using slow motion video. That could be fun.
If you like the Crave, try out the Wave... it's like the Inertia's older brother, Trail's cousin. (And the Trail's the Crave's older brother...) Have you tried the good ol Leopard... What... No Vincent (...van Goat)
Thanks for the suggestions! I have tried the Leopard, but it's been a while. I should try it again. I haven't tried the Wave, great thoughts! Haha, Vincent!!
@@JamesPearsonDG I have a Champion Leopard and didn't like it much (when I started in 22)... Tried it a few months back and got 300ft with a nice flex that didn't go roller if I threw too flat... (and I throw everything Flat unless shaping...). but really, you don't need more than 350... accuracy is far more important. don't be afraid to face the target for a 200ft upshot, even try that with a 45deg hyzer out to the side while fixating on the target... it's a frisbee shot, but with something like your crave (my smooth curve is a Scorch) you can throw perfect arcs that all you need do is calculate the distance... lizard brain takes care of the rest... I use an Entropy for close range and a Kea for further.. then the scorch from 0-280 45deg and up hyzers that don't walk far in light wind.. (the scorch skips a lot tho less than 45. The Kea is also great for flick and stick Anhyzers.
I had some of the most beautiful shots from my Rivers but ultimately un-bagged them all for being squirrely. They would produce distance far beyond their speed class from time to time. Too jumpy for a fairway that may sudden go an extra 50' but not reliable enough with the extra distance to be trusted in a distance slot.
Definitely sounds familiar! I’ve had some inconsistent very far throws. The Trail seems to at least always perform as expected and is getting a better and better distance-wise. I’ll definitely be picking up another Trail this week and will likely go with some recommendations I’m getting in the comments for additional discs to try. What do you use now for reliable distance?
My best distance is/was from a Gold Orbit Diamond.... But that's like throwing a Rollo .. Actually it was a goto for a hard right turn on my local... until I 'donated' it to someone's back yard...
I have the buzzz ss which I do like, but it is pretty new, so limited throws. Need to keep testing it. I also do have the passion, but mine is way over-stable compared to what I expected. All the discs tested in this video seem to go farther than the passion will for me. Is it me? I really had high hopes for the passion. Thanks for your comment!
My Z passion flies just like my buzzz but 50' further. I just ordered an esp to try and an esp "drive". The Paige line of discs are very neutral. I throw base putter plastic buzzes that have great glide, are straight and workable out of the box.
Is it a “z flex” clear passion? Also any idea on the weight? They have some pretty light 150g or so ones that may end up more understable which might be nice
@@JamesPearsonDG Mine is a Z factory dye. I haven't tried the jawbreaker z flex or crystal Z. I think it is 172g. The normal weight discs fly further for me. All my disc are 170ish. I've had lighter discs in other molds that are more stable than the heavy ones. Going lighter doesn't make a difference to me, other than they don't push forward as far. The fierce, buzzz and passion push forward on hyzer and don't have a heavy hook and drop. The zone hooks and drops. My bag is mainly 4 molds; fierce, zone and buzzz in super soft putter blend and z passion.
Discs in Video:
* Trail (Neutron, 173g)
* River (Gold, 175g)
* Crave (Neutron/Eclipse, 170g)
* Shift (Proton, 173g)
* Inertia (Proton, 166g)
Viewer Recommendations (Number of Mentions):
* Cicada x2
* Gorgon x3
* IT
* Construct
* Teebird
* Sapphire x2
* Jade
* Passion
* Leopard x2
* Mamba x5
* Tern x3,
* Diamond x2
* Swan
* Roadrunner
* Beast x2
* Heat
* Drive
* Tesla
* Orbit
* Insanity x3
* Virus
* Valkyrie x3,
* Shryke
* Sheriff
* Sphinx
* Lift
* Echo
* Dd
* Heat
* Essence
* D2 (Ether Air)
* D3 (Ether Air)
* D4 (Ether Air)
* Wave x2
* Vanish x2
* Maya
* Saint
* Sail
* Vortex
* Pipeline
* Beat-in Trail/Crave with dryer method...
Really appreciate all of the viewer feedback and recommendations! (The numbers after disc names show how many times they’ve been recommended so far.)
One note: my form is still a work in progress, so a lot of the inconsistency in results comes from that. Disc choice is definitely not the only variable! Your feedback to improve my form has been incredibly helpful, and I’m already incorporating some suggestions.
Narrowing down what will go up against my replaced Trail for the next video-feel free to keep recommending discs! Thank you for helping me grow and improve my game!
Great rundown, man! I’m 57, started playing about 5 months ago. I absolutely love the Trail! It’s right up there with my Shryke for max distance. Also love the Crave for control and not so long shots as my distance drivers. I lost my first Trail in a pond : ) Immediately ordered another one. Both the Trail and the Crave are in my bag, just different purposes.
For max distance, you might also consider the Cicada, Gorgon or the Trespass. All solid flying discs for me.
Thanks so much, very solid advice and much appreciated! Congrats on the new hobby! So much fun and so rewarding! Sounds like you are gaining a good understanding of things more quickly than I started out!
@ Man, it’s SO addicting! Challenging myself everyday. Keep it
up brother!
Great video, thanks for posting. As a +45 player. I def recommend the bodanza sphinx, Valkyrie, streamline lift. Also don’t sleep on your mids to work on accuracy. Must Get - detour ( late turn) and streamline echo ( straight stable)
Keep making videos, I just started playing at 50. Wherever it is you live is absolutely beautiful.
Thanks! I'm in Northern Utah!
As others have mentioned, age is not the limiting factor here. I'm 54 yrs young with max arm speed of about 56mph, and generally throwing 350-360ft over flat ground with skips out to 375+. Been increasing my distance a little bit every year for the last 5. Changing/refining my form, monthly, aiming for consistent skips out to 400 by this spring. So here are my thoughts.. It's a long one, but maybe you'll get something from it.
I do throw the River every day. Mine is totally neutral and is very glidey *but* it'll pretty much just stay on any line you put it, so nose up and hyzer, will be left and short. Anhyzer it'll just keep drifting right. Flat and low, it'll go arrow straight. Down a hill it can glide forever. I don't consider it a max distance disc though. Good for 300-330 over flat ground if I care where it goes. I could power it further, but hard to control where any neutral disc goes.
I have a Trail but mine is a meat hook. Super overstable. Lucky to get it out 300ft if I force it over on anhyzer. Yours looks pretty overstable. I don't know why folks are so in love with this disc. It's not even in my top 20.
What I do throw for max distance are the likes of the Prodigy D4 (understable very glidey driver), D3 (starts understable with good finish), or beat in D2s (slight flip up, straight to slow fade) all in either Air (light weight but crappy transparent colors) or preferred Air Spectrum (mid 160's grams, grippy and good looking) plastic. I also like a beat in Star Shryke with its 6 glide and a very slow fade. Also consider the Star Tern. Another understable 6 glide distance driver, with a thinner (vertically) rim.
Anyway, when I slow down your throws and watch em frame by frame here's what I see..
1. Not getting full coil between upper and lower body because.. you're trying to keep your head turned forward (subconsciously trying to look where you throw before you throw). Takes a while to break this habit but you don't need to try to look forward when you coil because the disc will simply go 180 degrees from where it starts, so focus on your position and form at full coil. You want your feet lined up a little left of the target, and your upper body turned almost 90 degrees from feet, pointed straight back, *looking* straight back, or at least looking back enough that your head doesn't influence your upper body angle at all.
2. Trying to reach *back* across your uncoiled upper body. This collapses your upper arm across your chest and causes rounding and a low pull through (pulling across your stomach instead of chest). It's a symptom of the same thing. Trying to keep your head turned as far forward as possible while "reaching back". Your upper arm should remain perpendicular to your chest, both horizontally and vertically from moment of full coil till release.
Ok so here are my two feel cues that can help with both of these..
Cross your arms and put your left hand on your right bicep and establish a 90 degree angle between right upper arm and chest. Also lift it up a bit so your right elbow is even with your shoulders. Now coil your upper body 90 degrees to the left and straighten your right arm out keeping it relaxed while keeping your left arm braced against the bicep. Now uncoil your body (gently at first) and notice that your lower right arm just naturally collapses into the pocket in front of your chest and then whips outward while your upper arm stays perpendicular to your chest and even with your shoulders. Practice this motion without a disc for a while first, then add a disc and make some gentle throws, and then a few more with increasing power. You may find yourself applying a lot of pressure with the left hand against the right bicep as it loads up against the inertia of the disc. This tells you that your right arm is still trying to fold back across your chest and you're having to push it forward. The goal is to use your back muscles (deltoid and trapezius) to pull your right upper arm out (extension) so you *don't* feel that pressure on your bicep. You need to maintain that perpendicular angle without having to push it into that position. If you can stop that upper arm collapse you should stop feeling pain where you are currently.
2nd feel cue. Throw your left shoulder at the target to coil. Wait what? So here's the problem, we often hear people say that to coil you need to reach straight back, but reaching back should be a symptom not a cause. The problem is if you consciously reach back without coiling (as you are now), you get the upper arm collapsed across your chest, and even if you do coil then consciously reaching back often causes people to shift their weight onto the back foot when they need to stay centered over both or even onto the plant foot. Also "reaching back" often means reaching down (below shoulder level) as well, so they start with the disc low in back, causing a high release angle (launching at the sky.. Sound familiar?) So the trick is, instead of thinking "reach back". visualize yourself throwing your *left* shoulder (for RHBH) toward the target. So put your right arm in the perpendicular to chest position as above, feet lined up a little left of target and then drive your left shoulder quickly toward the target behind you. What happens? You'll find that your shoulders naturally turn 90 degrees back as far as they can, causing your core muscles to coil and your right arm naturally extends out straight behind you. The coil was the goal, the reach back is just a natural consequence of that. Any time I feel like my form or power is degrading, I return to this one. I found this one cue either reduced or cured so many little glitches, improving release angle, consistency of throw direction (fewer grip locks), and not rushing the pull through before the plant foot is down.
Ok.. lastly. You've got a nose angle problem. A lot of us do. It's a constant battle. Look at your River throw slowed down and you can see your swing plane was pretty level, but it left your hand with like 15 degrees of nose up. There's a bunch of good YT videos on nose angle, so pick your poison, but if you can get your nose angle down *all* of these discs will fly so much better. Personally.. I tried the pouring tea cue.. then the back loaded (middle/ring/pinky first, holding the disc tucked high in my palm with pointer finger lightly on the rim until just before release) plus the pouring tea cue.. And then realized that my pinky was still dragging the back of the disc down (and thus the nose up) so I switched to a 3 finger power grip with the pinky curled well below the disc, and that has *largely* eliminated my high nose angle, and seems to have improved my spin rate slightly as well. There is no "one way" to fix this, but it does need to be fixed. If you've made it this far.. congrats. ;)
@@daemn42 thanks so much for your detailed analysis and cue recommendations! You have some impressive knowledge and distance ability! Also you are great at clearly describing motions and cues that I would have to show a video of to get across without it being confusing. I read every word and tried them out. So obvious when I do what you recommend for the two feel cues, I am definitely throwing exactly how you describe with the elbow down and improper reach-back. I like the 3 finger grip idea as well, I at some point got stuck on the “back-loaded” power grip and that pinky could be contributing to the nose up like you say. I was showing my kids your cues and they were seeing if their form follows mine or the recommended, one of them has a better elbow up form already, funny I didn’t notice it before. I’ll practice these and hope for some better throws. Honestly I’ll need to keep retesting different discs as my form evolves and circle back to these in the video. Next video I’ll be throwing 2 discs, one from recommendations and the other a replacement (though slightly lighter weight) Trail. Good point on the over-stability and confusing popularity of the Trail, I haven’t quite understood it yet, but think with beat in and lower weight it could be more like the Hype indicates. Anyway, work in progress and your thoughts and feedback are beyond appreciated!!
@@JamesPearsonDG Glad my description made sense to you. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.. so trying to describe something you'd normally see in a video can be pretty tough. I really should film myself again sometime soon, to see if I'm actually following my own advice.. ;)
@ really great stuff! Stay tuned, I may mention it in an upcoming video, at least briefly. Thanks again and filming myself has definitely been very informative of what I’m actually doing or not doing :)
I messed around with your suggestions at the local course today briefly during lunch break. I feel like they are helping! I'm considering doing stand still only for the next video and as I go out disc golfing for a while to try to focus in on these form improvements a little more consistently, giving hopefully a better chance at actually doing what I'm wanting to form-wise. Thanks again! Thoughts on stand-stills with this form update?
@@JamesPearsonDG Nothing wrong with going back to standstill for a while. I practice that way at home a lot. Maybe also take a look at some of the YT videos demonstrating the "one leg drill" as well as it can help focus on developing strength in the muscles that hold your upper arm perpendicular to your chest as you uncoil.
The progression is one leg drill, then standstill, then one step, then X-step.
One thing to keep in mind as you progress. Any time you go from working on your form to "max power" you'll tend to fall back into old habits, just be aware of it and back off a little bit. When it really clicks you'll get the distance with what feels like less effort.
Have to chime in😎. I am almost 70 and playing somewhat seriously since retirement at 66. Take a look at the Wave (Vanish in Axiom) in different plastics & weights. I have a 151g fission, 166g Neutron and 172 g Proton plastic. Under stable to over stable in that order. I can occasionally go over 370ft on flat (hit 400 once, but don’t know exactly how!) and over 450 ft down hill with the fission, but it’s too understable in a head wind. 166g neutron is a really nice s-curve at around 320 ft consistent and the 172g is straight with a nice consistent fade. The Trail is very much like the 166g Wave at the same weight.
You can throw further for sure - just need to get it nose down and consistent launch angle. Keep up the good work and I love the views of Utah. GOATS!🐐🐐🐐
@@lesfritzemeier8900 wow, impressive distance! Thanks so much for sharing your discs and how they work for you! I will definitely have to add them to the queue of discs to consider and very interesting on how weight and plastic difference changes behavior! I’ve heard this a lot and will be trying it with one disc in the next video selecting a lower weight in different plastic. Thanks so much for the comment and I’m glad you’re enjoying the scenery and the goats! :)
Hey thanks for posting. I have a similair arm speed as you so learned alot from this video. I did i similar test recently. The prodigy f5 ended up beating out all my 11 and 9 speeds
@@InbredJed82060 thanks for the comment! I’ll have to look into the f5 as well!
I’m 57 and love throwing mambas in different weights and plastic. Discmania Dd is also a great option.
Loving your videos. Thank you for making them. If I could make a comment and a suggestion. Your form looks pretty good (grip, rotation, weight transfer) and the disk is coming out clean but your reach back is back behind you (ie 4:57 mark) which is causing you to round which will make your throws inconsistent. Just a thought. We're all working on improving. Wishing you the best.
Thanks, I'm glad you are enjoying the videos! My form definitely is a work in progress, thanks for the feedback! I'll try to be conscious of that and see if I can get some better consistency! I appreciate the comment!
I throw the roadrunner as my max distance disc. Has similar numbers to the Shift, turns a little bit for me but mostly just flies straight. I need that bit of understability to keep discs on the line I want.
Great comment, will look at that one too!
At our elevation (I'm from Cache Valley) you should really try the Infinite Maya. I'm 53 and it's my most consistent distance thrower; the Halo in a lighter weight (167 is my favorite) can fly amazing.
Great suggestion, I have tried the Maya before but it’s been a while. It was my best distance disc until I of course, lost it in a river and have been testing out all these other ones. I have been thinking though maybe I should try it again. Thanks for the comment and suggestion!
Mamba in Champion plastic as my Max distance, but Essence in EVO plastic as the controlled distance disc!
Okay, I'm 51 and have a spinal cord injury, but, I've been playing nearly thirty years now. I used to throw a lot further, but after the spinal cord injury and all that, I could only throw like 200 feet. I've been working my way back up, but I'm only at about 300 feet on a good throw.
My furthest flying disc, and is recommend giving it a shot, is a 150 gram gstar Mamba. Thrown on a slight hyzer, that thing just goes forever.
I'd also recommend a fission Insanity, ideally around 165 grams.
@@bearislandjosh5279 Wow, glad to hear you are still working it out to enjoy this sport despite the injury and still making progress! That’s awesome! Also, so many recommendations for the mamba! I’ll definitely have to get one and keep working on my form!
@JamesPearsonDG just don't get a champion or halo, those are much more ovetstable plastics. Gstar and dx are the flippiest, but I would not mess with dx. And lighter weights are your friend, I promise.
I got really lucky with the injury, only my left hand got paralyzed, and I'm right handed. I had to stop powerlifting, but I can still play disc golf, and I can live with that.
Try the Insanity and the Virus, if you like the Crave and inertia.
I don’t have quite your distance, but I’ve been making progress with a Star Beast and a Star Gorgon. I bet you could get some really nice S curves or straight hyzer flips out of them.
Awesome, congrats on the progress! Thanks for the suggestions! Progress is what matters, definitely rewarding regardless of the stage!
I'm over 40 and have a similar arm speed, my max throw is 385 with a Trail. I will say, that a new Trail is not a long bomber for me, but once it beats in it's absolute perfection and will hit beautiful flex/S lines on a flat release and just go forever because it takes such a long time to fight out of a turn and eventually fade. I lost my beat in Trail and have started with a new one, but I'm confident I'll break 400' once this one beats in. Looking at the courses you play in this video, you may want to use the dryer method for beating in your new Trail when you get it and see how that works out for you, because it looks like there's not a lot of opportunity for hitting trees close to the teebox (the main way a disc gets beaten in).
I will also say you're spot on about the Crave, but it's still an amazing disc. At our arm speed, it's the further flying disc that I can release on anhyzer and it will hold the turn for the full flight. It's a must have disc for me for getting distance on left to right shaped shots that don't fight out of the turn.
Very nice distance on the Trail! The one I lost in this video was still probably a little new, but definitely had some tree hitting. I already bought a new one this morning (I have the main infinite discs warehouse near by which is so convenient!). I went with a little lighter weight this time and may consider using the dryer method you mention. I feel like the Crave is like a slightly longer mid-range. I do like it for the more medium distance, but I need to get better with anhyzer releases to flex it as needed. Forehand it will give me more turn before the fade if I get a clean flat release. Thanks for your comment!
ive only been playing for 6 months. ive tossed a few different distance drivers.. but the one that feels the best in the hand to me so far is the Halo Mamba.. 168 i think it is. i just ordered the halo destroyer because of the Mamba.. to see how that does for me. if you some how test / try a mamba i think it should be the halo
My go to driver is my Saint. Thing is awesome. I only average around 280-300 though. Trying to work on that.
I have used the saint before and liked it quite a bit, until I of course, lost it in the river. 😁 thanks for the comment.!
Check out DGA Sail, Vortex and Pipeline
46 here and maybe about 5-6 years into playing more often. My disc golf buddy who has a fairly similar motion to you (just based on this quick look) really hit it off with a Cicada, which flies very neutral and straight for him. Maybe I should get one too. I think you might also try out a nice plastic (ie champ, etc) Valkyrie (and I'm always partial to recommending lesser known manufacturers if I can, so this is a non-biased choice). Besides the hurdle of being new players, the other harder thing with age is flexibility and habits. Like many sports, throw sequencing bottom to top is how you get the most juice and with age and lesser flexibility, it's more difficult. And with years behind of "managing life" with your upper half, it wants to always be first to act. I'm slowly starting to get it to calm more down and lag back a little with my upper. My distance driver is a Sheriff which is slightly understable, but it's a high speed disc. I've been trying to go down in that 9-10 range and those usually fly farther in bulk distance over 10+ given the consistency motion/speed demand. Good luck!
Thanks for the very thoughtful comment! I'll keep your considerations in mind. I think I also need to relax the "upper half" a bit and likely will avoid those pains I get from many throws all together. Great to get your thoughts!
@@JamesPearsonDG No problem, and thanks for the reply. Yep I saw you talk about the shoulder pain, which is what I went through a lot and still do, though maybe a little less. It will be less an issue as things go on. Sports is a lot of working hard to do less, but it's difficult. All the best to both of us.
The Gorgon is a wonderful disc, the IT has a similar feel to the Gorgon but in a seven speed.
Another one I like is the Construct by TSA, I have it in aura plastic and it’s a bomber.
Also if you haven’t tried one, the good old tee-bird is a reliable disc that has a decent fade but flips up quite easily and goes straight for days.
Awesome suggestions! I have tried the Teebird a bit, but it’s been a while. Would be great to compare!
Age doesn't determine arm speed and distance, technique, practice, proper rotation,experience and being in good physical shape and exercise regularly. I'm 45 yrs old and have been playing for a little over 20yrs now and I'm throwing Discraft Nukes,Nuke Os, Force,Flick,Reaper, etc my max distance is around 470'480' Plus I'm throwing Discraft Nuke OS Anhyzer Flex lines 450' Ev-7 Penrose putter 310' Discraft Luna 320' I have my own unique form and do a few things that is not considered perfect form but I've been doing it for years and it works for me. Also playing with better players, pros etc improves your game dramatically.
I wish I could say I’d been doing this longer, sure would have loved it all along and would be further down the road technique-wise, no regrets though, never too late to start and I hope to continue improving arm speed and form for years to come! Thanks for the the thoughtful comment!
@JamesPearsonDG yeah my step dad took me for the first time when I was 13. Played a few years. Then got into again early 2007. Then started getting more serious into it. It's all about practice and playing regularly and find the form that works for you. In my opinion there is no such thing as perfect form. Even paul says he doesn't have perfect form. I learned alot playing with better people, pros and as many courses as I could
Nice to hear there’s no perfect form, I have definitely made progress but will keep pushing for improvement (safely)
I am 58, playing summer of 2020. Aside from the obvious inconsistencies, keep in mind that your distances are not fair comparisons. You have several shots of throwing at the same target but notice that the trajectories are not the same and therefore the distance traveled is not the same. So, some discs that you do not feel are flying as far is for one of two reasons: 1) Nose angle (up) is shortening your potential distance or 2) you are throwing flat and parallel to the ground. Distance drivers require more air time (height) with the nose down. So remember that until you correct your form you will have these inconsistencies and you may not be very happy with any one of the discs that you might choose for the minimal bag.
Also, as your form improves, and it will, you will need to go through this process all over again.
You did not mention weight of the discs and the plastic type. This is more important for us with slower arm speeds and less flexibility. The object is to reduce the weight until the disc can fly close to the intended flight numbers (taking into account Head or Tail wind). This becomes a small investment until you can figure out better approximations for the future. Let's use the MVP. Same weight Crave will fly very differently between Proton, Neutron, Fission, or Prism. It has to do with the density of the plastic and flexibility of the wing when torqued. With that being said, I go heavier with Prism and Fission and way lighter with the Proton (which I rarely bag b/c they are too stable for this old man).
Thanks for the feedback! My form is definitely a work in progress and good consistent form definitely will make all the difference. I'll keep in mind your request for plastics and weights going forward, and I'll add a comment to my pinned comment at the top with the specs of these discs shown in the video. I'm aware of the effects of different plastics, but haven't really tested that way up to now. There's pretty much an infinite spectrum of ways to keep improving in this game!
I would look at the lat 64 sapphire also
I’ve fallen on a Z Dye cicada as my max 300ft driver, so I’m in a similar boat like you with the river as a max distance
Cicada is definitely tempting to try! Thanks for the comment!
Hey bud, glad you found the sport. I think you can throw much further, but it looks like you're using mostly arm/sholder and missing what they call the power pocket. Has anyone mentioned that before?
I’m getting a couple comments like that, definitely a work in progress. Any pointers to improve? Others have mentioned improper reach-back, too far behind me. I’m aware of that one but tough to get used to doing it differently. I’m open to all suggestions! Thanks for taking the time to analyze a bit!
I'm in the 40+ range you should grab a cosmic neutron insanity light weight like 150ish and thank me later these things crank out ther not as good as trail but next best thing..
Get a new 153g Fission Wave. Hyzer flip to turn, with a fade at the end. 350-375 for you easily.
You should try the Lat64 Sapphire and/or the Jade. The Sapphire is a 10 speed and the Jade a 9. When the River was too flippy for me, I tried the Jade and it's reliably straight, but you can flex it pretty easy. The Sapphire is my workhorse driver that is just overstable enough to be trusted into a headwind, while also not fading out until the last 1/4 of its flight, and even then it's a soft, forward pushing fade.
Awesome suggestions, those are new to me, will have to look into them!
I agree. Sapphire is currently my max distance disc. I was looking at the trail and a “new” River. My current river is in rough shape but does great on fairway shots when I need a little more distance then my 5 speeds will give.
I had a Jade early on... It just seemed no matter what I did.. it just went where I actually meant it to go... fairly straight.. then a quick fade and sit...
1st 300ft plus within a few months of starting (at 50+).
Left it sitting in the middle of a park, named and numbered... sigh.
I have an opto lined up to try but I fear it's too light (I throw 170g's and somehow manage to throw RHBH all weekend without a prob (but only get 5-6 forearms in.. carefully.
After the Jade I went to a Champion Beast... Still does what it does 3 years later (good reliable 300-330 ft Basically the same as the Jade but after my arm system developed.
Good to know on the alternative suggestions, I’ll look into the beast too!
@@JamesPearsonDG I have several Beasts...
A DX that is flippy like a Gold Orbit Diamond ... A Glow that is less flippy...
And the Champion (so well used you can barely make out the writing on the clear green plastic)...
The Champion fairly much behaves the same as it always has (I'm guessing Champion plastic would have to be right up there with durable plastics as there are NO dents or slices in a disc that I throw maybe 10 times a week all year round).
The Champion beast is one of the few discs I trust so well, I don't look when throwing it.. At least I look down and watch it go back then across my chest, but don't look away to the target until my follow-through forces my view.
Really no one can suggest a disc for anyone with perfect success, as we all throw different...
I could recommend my whole bag... but I throw near dead flat with a tip forward/back to finesse, then there's my open stance frisbee yeet out and up that NO ONE uses yet I've bullseyed bags, pins and even someone's dog (ok I luckily threw wide.. and never again.. it landed 3 ft right of him at (quickly uses google maps) 160 foot across a fairway)
What I will say tho... If you happen to get hold of a dead flat Tesla (Mines a Cosmic Neutron Lab 2nd)...
they feel Magic for Forehand flat 250ft upshots with a HARD fade at the end.. and OMG the RHFHOH rollers... at 1pm I can get 280ft hitting the ground within 30ft of the tee... and I've had 100 ft nearly dropping it at my feet that way... (Grass permitting).
When you are going for max distance are you trying for a flex or a flip up?
Usually attempting a flat throw, my form is definitely a work in progress and needs to get more consistent, but that's my goal. I guess I'm after the natural full flight longest range disc, given a flat release at the proper nose angle, etc. Many variables to all of this beyond the discs :)
what is you avg arm speed?
Good question, I wish I knew, all I can say is based on the disc flight and distance I get in general, I know my arm speed is on the lower side, but I’ve never had a techdisc or tried to measure it with video or something like that. Maybe I’ll do an experiment and figure that out one of these times using slow motion video. That could be fun.
If you like the Crave, try out the Wave... it's like the Inertia's older brother, Trail's cousin. (And the Trail's the Crave's older brother...)
Have you tried the good ol Leopard...
What... No Vincent (...van Goat)
Thanks for the suggestions! I have tried the Leopard, but it's been a while. I should try it again. I haven't tried the Wave, great thoughts! Haha, Vincent!!
@@JamesPearsonDG I have a Champion Leopard and didn't like it much (when I started in 22)... Tried it a few months back and got 300ft with a nice flex that didn't go roller if I threw too flat... (and I throw everything Flat unless shaping...).
but really, you don't need more than 350... accuracy is far more important.
don't be afraid to face the target for a 200ft upshot, even try that with a 45deg hyzer out to the side while fixating on the target... it's a frisbee shot, but with something like your crave (my smooth curve is a Scorch) you can throw perfect arcs that all you need do is calculate the distance... lizard brain takes care of the rest...
I use an Entropy for close range and a Kea for further.. then the scorch from 0-280 45deg and up hyzers that don't walk far in light wind.. (the scorch skips a lot tho less than 45.
The Kea is also great for flick and stick Anhyzers.
I had some of the most beautiful shots from my Rivers but ultimately un-bagged them all for being squirrely. They would produce distance far beyond their speed class from time to time. Too jumpy for a fairway that may sudden go an extra 50' but not reliable enough with the extra distance to be trusted in a distance slot.
Definitely sounds familiar! I’ve had some inconsistent very far throws. The Trail seems to at least always perform as expected and is getting a better and better distance-wise. I’ll definitely be picking up another Trail this week and will likely go with some recommendations I’m getting in the comments for additional discs to try. What do you use now for reliable distance?
@@JamesPearsonDG Mostly Terns with a Heat and a Drive for more or less flip.
Thanks!
My best distance is/was from a Gold Orbit Diamond.... But that's like throwing a Rollo ..
Actually it was a goto for a hard right turn on my local... until I 'donated' it to someone's back yard...
I'm currently using the buzzz and passion
I have the buzzz ss which I do like, but it is pretty new, so limited throws. Need to keep testing it. I also do have the passion, but mine is way over-stable compared to what I expected. All the discs tested in this video seem to go farther than the passion will for me. Is it me? I really had high hopes for the passion. Thanks for your comment!
My Z passion flies just like my buzzz but 50' further. I just ordered an esp to try and an esp "drive". The Paige line of discs are very neutral. I throw base putter plastic buzzes that have great glide, are straight and workable out of the box.
Nice, I’ll have to check out the z passion, thanks!
Is it a “z flex” clear passion? Also any idea on the weight? They have some pretty light 150g or so ones that may end up more understable which might be nice
@@JamesPearsonDG Mine is a Z factory dye. I haven't tried the jawbreaker z flex or crystal Z. I think it is 172g. The normal weight discs fly further for me. All my disc are 170ish. I've had lighter discs in other molds that are more stable than the heavy ones. Going lighter doesn't make a difference to me, other than they don't push forward as far. The fierce, buzzz and passion push forward on hyzer and don't have a heavy hook and drop. The zone hooks and drops. My bag is mainly 4 molds; fierce, zone and buzzz in super soft putter blend and z passion.