Synology DS923+ vs DS1522+ ~ you probably want the DS1522+
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2022
- The long awaited DS923+ has just come out. But that does not mean its the best around. For most users the DS1522+ will be a much better investment due to having an extra bay and 2x the Ram for just 15% more money. Overall the DS923+ might not be the go to unit that the DS920+ once was.
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I got the DS1522+ few days ago, this is my first NAS ever, and after watching all you experts guys on youtube videos and being so close to get the DS923+ few minutes before to did my purchase i decided to pay 100$ more for the 1522+ and im very happy so far. thank you so much for all the information and learning in your videos.
Just came across your channel. Great content and clear explanations. I'm finally starting my NAS and was totally clueless before watching your videos. Perfect timing! I will be going with the DS 1522+. Thank you
After the DSM 7.2 upgrade, the DS1522+ has also the ability to build a volume on the SSD drives. I am glad I went for the 1522+.
Thanks for sharing this, I was considering 923+, will now go for 1522+
Do you still have to use Synology M.2 drives or can you use 3rd party with 7.2?
@@brizlebre1577 the normal HDD I went for 5 c Seagate IronWolf ST12000VN0008 12 Tb. I don’t have the SSD yet, but as I understand it is stll the Synology drives
Thank you for this! Just ordered DS1522+ via your link. Much appreciated.
Just bought the 1522+ after considerable comparison between it and the 920+/923+. Thanks for validating my decision. I’m really pleased so far. And yes, I only populated 3 of the 5 bays to get started.
I’ve enjoyed your videos and learnt so much setting up NAS drives. A suggestion I’d like to see is talking about the options for photography and video editing directly from the NAS using Resolve, Lightroom and Photoshop etc. There is a lot of videos about using NAS for purely backup, but it would be good to see a video for this, if it is Eve an option. I assume something like the DS 1522+ would be capable of editing RAW files from with a 10GB connection on the NAS, the switch and the PC
Thank you so much for these excellent videos! I bought a 923+ recently and have 3x 4TB SSDs in it now. I bought a 4th to either expand capacity or switch to SHR-2 to have double redundancy just due to paranoia,, but really I don't need more than 4TB of critical data to store. I thought I heard you say don't fill up all the bays if we don't need to; instead, leave one empty. Why is that?
Thanks so much for the great video! Im planning on setting up a 1522+. Can you suggest the drives that I should get? And do you have a link so you can get a kick back from the purchase that I'm about to make?
I just bought the 920+ based on what the 923+ offers and my needs, thank you for all your videos
I’m glad!
excellent video! thanks!
I wish you would recommend a step-up rig that allows for hardware transcoding. Please consider this in a new video.
mac mini m1 are great for transcoding and efficient little plex media servers. I plan on using one with the new DS1522+ I ordered. Just use SMB3 to share the media volumes with the mac mini m1 and have the mac serve.
Thanks for putting the DS1522* onto my radar. I got it instead of the DS923+ which was on my short list. I will definitely miss the GPU functionality but went with Synology again. The SSD storage is not interesting if you have to pay 400 for 800gb of space.
Well it’s actually a bit cheaper now, I paid just over £300 for 2 x 400Gb sticks on Amazon:).
Coming on 12 months ago I purchased a Synology NAS, the 220j. But at the time it was just to store photographs, home video and my music collection. Perfect for this purpose although couple of things now I have started a project with my DVD’s, which a larger more powerful NAS would be perfect… one issue I have with the nas is with my windows pc, although it is mapped and seen on the network, I still have to go throughout the intranet portal.. Where is with Mac no problems. Although I think I prefer the Synology DSM Software, if I was to get a bigger NAS, then some of the QNAP products are actually more attractive from a hardware features spec over Synology. Just the perceived vulnerability to hackers in the software and the set up in said software …
Thank you for these great videos--you do a wonderful job explaining all this stuff to newbies like me. I'm looking to buy my first NAS, and really like the look of Synology for its ease of use and friendliness to beginners. Trouble is, the primary use for my NAS will be Plex. I wonder if you might consider making a video to elaborate on the point made at 8:15, where you say "if you're a hardware transcoder..." I'd love to learn more about what that means, or perhaps a demonstration video showing what Plex looks like when it's actually running on one of those machines. I know that might be a niche request, so feel free to ignore, but thanks for considering! Keep up the great work, your channel is wonderful.
Agreed. That was a golden opportunity to point to a comparable Synology device that comes with that feature.
I like your straight to the point comparisons, unlike other reviewers left you hanging which one they think is better. I'll go ahead getting the DS1522+ because of extra bay and 8gb of ram, besides other reasons you have mentioned 👍
What does creating a volume on the SSD give you, other than a ridiculously expensive volume?
Hey, nice video! I have a question: if you set up a volume on the NVME SSDs and have another volume on the HDDs, do the HDDs still go to sleep?
Currently I have a DS1515+ and had a couple of Sata SSDs and a couple of HDDs in there and couldn’t get the HDDs go to sleep. I had Docker with a few containers running but they only accessed the SSDs. So that was a bit confusing. Would be glad if you or someone else could help me there :)
SSD M2 is Synology only, it's very bad. Two such disks for reading and writing cache will cost as much as 923 NAS. Synology has gone crazy.
99% of NAS users will see no benefit from cache.
@@fretbuzzly everyone who uses 920 and older installs ssd cache, so they won't buy 923 or will install XPEnology
@@AlexandrLinux xpenology is hard to install if you wish dsm7 and its not allowing hard drive add later. but i think it allows now tonise popular m.2 drives from samsung adata and so on
@@ygalion Everything is very simple for DSM7 if you use the ARPL loader and disks are added the same way as everywhere else. Everything is very simple. I'm not a fan of x[enology, I have 920+, but you're not saying the right things.
@@AlexandrLinux i tried one day, it asked disks to be connected as much as i will use later, if add more later it will not work or if not configured when isntall, it does not find any disk. risky to start use oen and then realise need more and can no t add or it delete all data from current disk.
You have a great channel!
Thanks man!
I got the 1522+ and loving it. Very solid unit, I don't think the 923+ makes sense already having this unit.
Bought a DS923+ just because DS1522+ was not available at the moment. Really happy with 923+ (and yes, this is my first NAS ever).
Yeah i would like to see this kind of CPUs and amount of ram in 2 bay NASes. I dont need this many bays but i need the performance. We-lans? Do you mean wifi?
I already feel bad for mentioning it, and I hope you take it as constructive feedback, but although your videos are great, with amazing in-depth information and good video quality, the way you talk sounds like you are out of breath all the time. Not sure if other people are bothered by it, but I am sensitive for hyperventilation and it triggers it somehow. :-D Just a tip for when you want to take it to the next level you can benefit from speech coaching. Otherwise great channel! I am considering the DS1522+ righ5 now. All the best, Jonas
I totes get where you’re coming from, perhaps if you see it as though he’s really excited about what he’s talking about and he just forgets to breathe:). I really enjoy the breaths he takes cause I can’t wait for what he’s gonna say next:).
Space Rex can you find out if NVME drives can work as Volume in the 1522+
I just bought a 1522+ I have not received it yet but looking forward to making it into a complete media server / VPN / internet Cloud drive.
I jumped in on a DS220j and rapidly discovered I could not backup and VPN at the same time... which is something I would like to do often.
*that is VPN into my home network and access my library while on the road.*
I have also ordered the 32gig ram upgrade and I have a 1TB nvme drive spare that I will slap in it for caching.
Looking forward to it lasting an exceptionally long time.
Did you get any further with your system? Can you run VPN on the 1522+ & also did your nVMe drive work? As far as I knew you can only use Synology drives for it.
@@dandanthesoundman7607Yes and it is working almost flawlessly.
the 2 issues that I have had... have nothing to do with the drives... but rather I expanded my network to be 10Gb... but not really seeing 10Gb speeds. At best, with a test I get 9Gb but in normal use I am seeing about 4.5Gb... The other is VPN access... It does not play with the latest version of OpenVPN Connect... but is fine with an older version.
I really need your help on this one . I already own a DS418 and want to buy another Synology nas (maybe 1522) . I want the DS418 to be on my home and the 1522 on another location. Can I backup the 1522 to the 418 and vice versa ? I want them besides backup to synchronise also. Every single change I make on one want to be synchronised to the other . Is this possible ?
PS Your videos are extremely useful
Spacerex is a GOD! :) I just got my 1522+ and without Spacerex I would of not had my setup.
1. Which RAM chips can i get on Amazon for my Ds1522+?
2. Where can I send you a donation for your videos!!! :)❤🎉❤
Be aware - Only Synology ECC rams are compatible.
Why I have returned mine 2 days ago:
- Not compatible with HDD (only 2 from 5 are compatible, 16 TB Toshiba and 4 TB Seagate, other 3 x 8 TB Seagate was incompatble)
- Not compatible with DDR4 (Kingston 16 Gb x 2, DDR 4 2666MhZ)
- Not compatible with M.2 drives used for storage cache (2 x 1 TB Samsung 980 M.2 drives)
- No storage pool for those M.2 drives.
If you are happy with only 8 Gb of ECC Sodimm, that comes with this NAS then you are ok but be aware, not all SSD or HDD are compatible with this NAS.
You will receive a notification about compatibility, your NAS will work, but I have no idea what impact will have for a service issue if you use "imcompatible" storage or ram.
Proprietary Synology stuff is expensive, Propietary hdd's, propietary ECC Sodimm, no, thank you.
In this case I will build my own NAS, will be cheaper anyway.
@@h_d_ Thanks for your info. However please refrain from copy/pasting the same text over and over again.
Hi @SpaceRex - On the Synology website under the supported HDD section for DS1522+, not a single 18TB third-party HDD is listed. Max I can find was the Toshiba HDWG31G*ZSTA which is 16TB. This will be my first home-based NAS. I wanted to know if I can go directly for two Seagate IronWolf Pro 18TB NAS? I have heard that Synology DSM may show these as unrecognized drives and display a notification that I cannot get rid of. Can I still continue with the purchase or I should go for two 16 TB Toshiba drives?
BTW loved the video.
I hear iron wolf's will work. You will get an orange indicator light but should work. There's even a bios setting you can update to remove warning.
2 months ago - did you get the drives? How's your experience?
I'm curious why you say the 1520+ was not that useful and the 920+ was the staple. They are both on the same architecture with the 1520+ having the extra bay and 3 more LAN ports (handy for SMB multichannel). For these reasons I picked the 1520+. I see the incremental cost of the 1520+ worth it for these additional features.
Hi, I am new to all of this storage stuff and I have watched a bunch of videos and I am still so confused lol. I am currently working off of an external ssd, I want to be able to have a larger storage that I can pull my footage from and refer to other projects on in an easy way. So I am thinking this would be the perfect solution. My question is, do all my bins need to have a hard drive in it if I choose a 5 bin NAS? I am trying to think of a cost efficient way of building a system over time as needed. I hope this makes sense.
No you can fill the other bays (they are not called bins but bays) later if you chose shr (synology hybrid raid). In both cases you can start with 2 drives and expand as you go...you can also attach external drives to the nas through uSB amd even expand with another 5 bay extension nas through esata
I really like the Synology units and have great success with them in the past. But they keep lagging in their technology and trying to go the proprietary route. They need to go for at least 2.5 Gbe and better CPUs at the mid range and stop trying to force their own expensive rebranded hardware. I can't justify buying their newer units for these reasons. I have units I want to upgrade but I'm starting to look elsewhere as I'm getting tired of waiting for them to provide decent hardware. There's a lot of open source alternatives that will likely end up being a lot more work to maintain but will give vastly better hardware and options. I guess maybe their current business plans aren't working out as very profitable but this kind of thinking must be hurting their sales.
Is there a decent USB has hubs with 4 or more drop in bays that don't cost $1000+ ?
Very nice and informative video! I currently have DS718+; and now I am wanting a bigger NAS. How easy to upgrade/transfer all my data from DS718+ to that DS1522+? Can I just remove the drives from DS718+ and insert them into DS1522+ and done; or do I have to start everything over again?
Yes, it's easy. (according to synology)
Be aware that this 1522+ is not compatible with all HDD's and ram, if you feel the need to upgrade do your homework first.
Why not buy the 5 bay expansion unit?
The better question would have been the Synology DS1522+ vs DS1621+
I agree, especially as here in the UK there isn't much price difference between the DS1522+ and the DS1621+
In my opinion, I would go for the DS1621+ for many reasons, but here is a few, CPU has 4 cores 8 threads, larger onboard CPU cache, double the pcie lanes compared to the DS923+ / DDS1522+ and in CPU benchmarks for the AMD Ryzen V1500B is 35% quicker than the AMD Ryzen R1600
@@weeblesdontwobble Intel does not have ECC memory support with those processors. Not a big deal if you are storing photos/movies but if you have more important data like production firmware or files that you don't want any risk of bit flip then AMD pulls ahead.
Can I use a non Synology NVME as a cache drive? on DS1522+
DS1821+ wins over both for me, just because of the CPU cores. I have a couple of virtual machines running on it and that really helps.
Went with the 923 with the recent sales price, I think it will do, I replace them every 5-7 years anyway to try and ensure reliability. The difference in price covers the 10gbe nic I need and my existing 4 bays is far from full
What was the sales price from a few months ago?
A question about a trans coding for Plex solution: Can I just connect an Nvidia Shield Pro to the 1522, and use the Shield Pro as the Plex server with its trans coding strengths, but the data still resides on the 1522? I'm looking to get my 1st nas myself.
Any joy with that?
External Ports
RJ-45 1GbE LAN Port* 4 (with Link Aggregation / Failover support)
isnt 923+ now compatible with most popular m.2?
But DS1522+ or DS1621+?
Can you recommend a DAS that is like this? I need something of this nature but only 1 computer needs to access it.
If you have thunderbolt the OWC tends to get high praise: amzn.to/3U8kozw
I fucking love this guy, his entire being lifts me up.
I loved him in Ace Ventura : Pet Detective
What is a good Synology to store Media files on so a smart TV can play these over FTP via Kodi? i also already have a DS 418 is there any worth of upgrading?
If the TV is using FTP then the NAS CPU does not matter as it’s just severing the file
@@SpaceRexWill Okay thank you for the info :)
It looks like the Drive compatibility limitations plague the 1522+ unit. The 16 and 18TB drive support leans to the overpriced Synology-branded drives unless one is using this for surveillance purposes (Skyhawk AI drives). These drive limitations are making choosing/recommending Synology solutions for our clients very difficult.
Why I have returned mine 2 days ago:
- Not compatible with HDD (only 2 from 5 are compatible, 16 TB Toshiba and 4 TB Seagate, other 3 x 8 TB Seagate was incompatble)
- Not compatible with DDR4 (Kingston 16 Gb x 2, DDR 4 2666MhZ)
- Not compatible with M.2 drives used for storage cache (2 x 1 TB Samsung 980 M.2 drives)
- No storage pool for those M.2 drives.
If you are happy with only 8 Gb of ECC Sodimm, that comes with this NAS then you are ok but be aware, not all SSD or HDD are compatible with this NAS.
You will receive a notification about compatibility, your NAS will work, but I have no idea what impact will have for a service issue if you use "imcompatible" storage or ram.
Proprietary Synology stuff is expensive, Propietary hdd's, propietary ECC Sodimm, no, thank you.
In this case I will build my own NAS, will be cheaper anyway.
DS1621+ is $100 more, has an extra bay, and can take a normal PCI card
Why do you need a normal PCI card?
@@dnajournal4321 Because he don't want to pay for a proprietary card double the price?
@@dnajournal4321 you can get a cheaper 10gig pci nic
I think I bought my last Synology NAS last summer. The sheer wisdom of Synology to not accept other manufacturer's drives and to not support 2g5 or 5 Gbps is unacceptable. It's a solid OS , I'm using it since my first ds-101. I'm feeling a bit sad to know that I have to switch. I just have to.
I think you're mild on your verdict.
I have a 1522+ Populated with 5x 14TB Drives WD Red working with no issues , I want to use the NVME as Volumes not read write cache , Can the 1522+ do this in 7.2 DSM after all the DS923+ and DS1522+ have the same CPU . I don't see why this would not work
1522+ doesn't create pools on M.2 drives, only caches.
Maybe Synology will activate that function in future updates, who knows.
Now that the 923+ is $500 and $200 less than the 1522+, is it still worth it to get the 1522?
Right now, I can get the DS923+ for $479. Is the 1522+ at $699 still the better buy?
SSD slots are only for cache. You can setup it as storage space, but it is not officially supported, means they may disable it. This what I learned from other videos, so confused
This is no longer true with the 923+ with synology SSD’s
So can i use ssd in 1522+ ?
6:00 sometimes I wonder, like 10 years later, would I just buy a new NAS instead, when possibly 8TB or 16TB SSD are selling for $120 and $250 like today's 2TB and 4TB. Would it be about right to consider every 3 years, the price of TB drops to half as before? So 10 years mean the halving happening for 3 times... that also means for the same price, the number of TB doubles... so maybe 2TB can become 16TB for the price of $120... I don't know... or if the doubling occurs every 5 years, then it is 8TB for $120 in 10 years. I just looked: my Amazon purchase history shows in July 2015, I got Samsung 850 EVO 500GB for $179... and today Apr 2023 it is 2TB for $119 SAMSUNG 870 EVO 2TB... so close to 8 years (how time flies) it doubled twice (500GB to 2TB) and at a lower price... so it does look like the doubling period is about 3 or 3.5 years. P.S. using math, I was able to find the price decline per day is 0.999372267317714 multiple of the day before, so in 3 years, it is 0.999372267317714 to the power (365 x 3) = 0.5028, so it does look like the halving rate or double rate is about 3 years
For some reason iron Wolf Pro ST16000NM001G is not in the recommended list, will it work fine here?
It will, Synology is just limited their drive compatibility list for money :(
If you're using the 1522 in Raid 1 mirroring, what can the extra or odd bay be used for
Instead of using mirroring I would use RAID5. You still get the ability to loose a single drive, but it’s across all of the drives. Meaning if you had 5d drives, you would have 4x drives of space, with the ability to loose any one drive and have all of your data
You should never use RAID 1 in a 5 bay system (or even 4 bay for that matter).
You could add it as a hot spare. So if one drive fails, it’ll automatically start rebuilding to the hot spare in bay 5. Obviously others have commented on what they would do with their build, but I wanted to answer your question regarding the 5th bay if you used RAID 1.
Synology screwed up with new processor it uses in all new NASes, no GPU, no transcoding, and one of my usages is as Plex server. Also they screwed up with forcing Synology NVME ssds if you want to create storage volume. I have DS 918+, and I hope thay will change that in the future, or this will be my last Synology NAS 😢
which NAS would you recommend for Plex hardware transcoding? I'm currently using a 1019+ and I'm hitting some limits on the number of files and indexing...so I'm looking to upgrade
So I am a huge fan of buying a small cheap NUC or other single board computer that has a intel quick CPU in it. Then just install Plex on that and point it to the NAS. it lets you have a much more configurable Plex experience, and lets you upgrade one at a time independent
@@SpaceRexWill Another box, ugh.
@@ItsEverythingElseRight! 😂 Not everyone has a space bunch computers
Is DS1522+ worth if cost 35% more money than DS923+ in my country?
Only if you really need that extra bay probably
Just bought the DS1522+ and 4 x WD Red Pro 8 TB drives. Synology Assistant and Web Assistant fail to recognise the drives. Failed to install the DSM.
Synology Tech Support took the line "the drives aren't on the compatibility list"
So far, I don't think much of Synology.
Waste of time and money.
1 more bay cost me around $ 260 in my country, so DS 923+ is more reasonable for me
When Memory Pool will be available on 1522+?
Maybe with next updates, but is nothing official at the moment.
It's Jan 2024, is the release of a 1524 imminent?
you forgot the synology DS1522+ has 10GB on board on the ethernet ports above the 4 LAN ports
You have to pay 150-170 USD for a proprietary card, otherwise it's only 1 GB.
I was looking into these after having the pleasure of using Asustor! lol. It's been a nightmare, and I've only owned it for a few days. Frustrating setup instructions to say the least. I wouldn't recommend it for beginners (Like me) getting started in using a NAS.
Hot spare alone is the feature to get a 5 bay.
Just use SHR-2 from the start and use all 5 bays and you won't need a hotspare.
@@bigpoppa1234 oh I'm planning to to use shr2 with a 6 bay but still leave a hot spare as is going to be critical so I rather have it begin transferring the data a soon as an error is detected.
"Century is a really long time"
I heard the 1522 is louder. True?
neither of these units are audible when the fan speed is set to low. Your hard drives will dictate how loud the unit is
As a Synology fan i was ready to buy one of them , but the lack of integrated GPU on both of them i will keep away and probably i will go for the QNAP . Synology made a huge mistake in my opinion to switch to AMD without GPU on it. A lot of people will switch to QNAP or something in my opinion .
For what reason do you want a GPU on it?
@@MatzeMaulwurf For media encodings and video editing.
Basically you cannot use it for Plex or similar.
And when you paying for the top model and they cannot provide this basic feature it’s useless to most .
Unless your are only a business.
@@georgedupi7919 Simply false.
@@MatzeMaulwurf people want plex transcoding
For sure you don't want the new 1522+, unless you are aware that Synology is going thru propietary way and you are ok with it.
Why I have returned mine 2 days ago:
- Not compatible with HDD (only 2 from 5 are compatible, 16 TB Toshiba and 4 TB Seagate, other 3 x 8 TB Seagate was incompatble)
- Not compatible with DDR4 (Kingston 16 Gb x 2, DDR 4 2666MhZ)
- Not compatible with M.2 drives used for storage cache (2 x 1 TB Samsung 980 M.2 drives)
- No storage pool for those M.2 drives.
If you are happy with only 8 Gb of ECC Sodimm, that comes with this NAS then you are ok but be aware, not all SSD or HDD are compatible with this NAS.
You will receive a notification about compatibility, your NAS will work, but I have no idea what impact will have for a service issue if you use "imcompatible" storage or ram.
Proprietary Synology stuff is expensive, Propietary hdd's, propietary ECC Sodimm, no, thank you.
In this case I will build my own NAS, will be cheaper anyway.
Same reason here, I also returned my 1522+
I don't think the proprietary path will be a good thing for Synology, maybe they will wake up.
Why did Synology choose to have an external power brick on the DS1522+, my DS1517+ has a "normal" power cable which I think is way better and less dodgy.
I am sure it all comes down to cost. Internal power supplies are more expensive and make the product more expensive to manufacture and design
External ps is easily replaceable by the user. Important if you dont want to wait and send your unit in for repairs.
Not that it's available any more, but the 1520+ beats both of these if you want to use it as a Plex server. Can't hardware transcode with either of these units thanks to Synology switching to the AMD Ryzen CPU.
AMD supports ECC memory which many see as a safety requirement for a server with important data. Intel does not support ECC at this level. So if you are just playing movies then the Intel could be a better choice but if you are using the NAS for important storage the AMD is the better choice.
How's it going.. same shirt new day.
It’s too bad Synology didn’t select the Ryzen R1606G processor with the embedded GPU for these units.
Problem is Plex does not support AMD GPU’s so it would be useless
Dude, you need to have LED/RGB lights in the background 🤦♂️. Get with it💁🏼
I think it makes more sense to get the DS923+. When you need more bays, then just get the expansion unit. Then when you still need more bays, then you should upgrade to the 1823+, followed by another expansion unit. The 923+ actually goes on sale while the 1522 doesn't seem to so I don't think it actually makes sense.
If you start off with the 1522+, then it makes less upgrade to the 1823+
why he sounds like he is whispering but opens his mouth like as when he was shouting?
DS923+ is for company use
DS1522+ is for home use
Nascompaee beat you to it by about two hours 😂
thats actually really funny lol
Synology do very badly without using a processor with a built-in graphics accelerator. For that kind of money without a built-in GPU, these NAS are garbage and there are analogues cheaper with GPU, the same QNAP
Not if your doing a virual machine
The 1522+ is way better for virtual machines
@@SpaceRexWill think about it NVME is 3000 read and write on 923 plus direct volume VS 1522+ cache direct is way better your VMS can be directly on the SSDS only no spring RUST hous fast is HDDS 500 Megs
does anyone else have an issue with this guys creepy accent. So fabricated!