A Pilot's worst nightmare, landing without primary controls
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Watch an actual landing without a yoke, therefore without any ailerons or elevator. Listen to an expert CFI prepare for the approach and landing.
Using the rudder for turns, trim, and power, see how you can land a real airplane without the use of primary flight controls.
An excellent how-to that may be come in helpful one day
You can never be 100% ready for the unexpected when flying, but this instructor is a whole lot closer to being ready for the unexpected! Also admire them taking the time to go through this procedure.
This is what a great instructor does. With utter confidence he or she teaches a student to do what needs to be done to prevail in seemingly impossible situations, to fly an aircraft safely when even primary flight controls are gone.
As long as a pilot has ANY control then it's possible to survive nearly anything.
This is priceless!!! I'm a grad from Embry Riddle, with many turbo fan hours before retiring. In all of my flight experience, I have never done this maneuver to completion. We all know this would be our last hope of a safe landing in a true emergency and practice this in our Sim work. This is flight instruction above and beyond, great job!!
Thanks for posting this! As a pilot who's never actually tried this, that was very instructive indeed to watch. Also, it goes without saying that your CFI has big cojones to even sit hands-off on the controls for that last dive to the runway! Whew! He's a keeper, that one! Training like this may well save your butt someday for sure!
you landed better with no primary controls than I do when I have all my controls. Student pilot issues.
WOW! Didn't realize this was on youtube! Great your teaching how to do this! Back in late 70's I had to land a C-150 on trim and power without rudder or elevator control. All I had was aileron, trim, and power. Then the aircraft was impounded for evidence while the FBI was involved in investigating suspicious tampering. Turbulence on final approach was more concerning to me than anything else and had to approach at a higher airspeed just for confidence that I had some solid control on things. The landing wasn't pretty but it was less brutal than the turbulence on final to touchdown.
Not sure I've ever been as nervous watching a general aviation video than I was during this one. I could feel the stress you were under. A great and very instructive clip. Good job all the way around.
I've tried a lot of crazy stuff, but never thought of this.
I could feel a big lump come up in my throat as the plane got close to the runway, that normal reaction to pull up to flare was so strong, even though I was just watching a video!
LOL! Me too!
That was awesome! A way better drama than Twilight!
three bounces equals three landing taxes
I love this video. The instructor was excellent! And the student did a very good job. you could tell he was nervous as hell just before touch down , just like i would be, but he kept good composure.
loss of primary's while do a circling dme? what a glutton for punishment! awesome training exercise. i've done that a couple of times myself. the trick is having a competent CFI next to you. you definitely had one that day. you can tell by his tone of voice he knew exactly how far he could let you go and still recover if needed. great flying. great vid. thanks captain.
I had a number of different instructors, when getting my private. Eight to be exact. Only one of them bothered to teach me this maneuver. I was set back a bit, at every CFI change, but I think I actually benefited. I got a lot of different viewpoints and personal methods, for doing the same thing. One CFI LOVED windy days. Real windy ! He felt wind was something to be taken advantage of and I agreed. That was 25yrs ago and I’m still benefiting from each and every one. This is an instructor who actually seems to care what he teaches. Flight instruction is expensive, but great instruction is priceless. Great video !
man my heart was racing watching this. Could not do it if I didn't have an experienced CFI tellimg me it was ok, and even then it would be damn hard not to grab the yoke. Kudos to the pilot for havning the trust in you. (tryind to get my stomach out of my throat still.lol)
I'm not a pilot, not even close... but the instructor's voice is so calm and controlled; he conveys and instills nothing but confidence!!!
Unless, desktop piloting counts... :)
+Jay Vee Thats because the instructor killed the primary controls
+2fastHarley -- ah, part of the training, I presume!
Jay Vee Exactly.
Jay Vee
Wow, a great presentation by what sounds like a quality instructor!
33 hour student here. Well done! Very educational.
CFII/MEII/GI/AGI +20 years CFI. In C150 aircraft and At uncontrol fields I have "frozen" all controls except windows doors throttle flaps and trim at about 2-3 miles from the airport. Not all but a few students could get the aircraft lined up with a runway and at about 50' or less depending on how well they did I would give them back all the controls for landing. I feel this was a valuable learning experience.
What a great training exercise! Not only for emergencies, but mostly to demonstrate the effectiveness of trim vs. power. I never really mastered trim until I got an instrument rating. This student has seen first hand how effective it can be in managing pitch/power/speed relationship. Hands off slow flight is also a good exercise. Hats off to this fine instructor.
What a great instructor! He not only taught his student how to fly a crippled aircraft but also talked him through a safe landing.
My instructor did the same. I had a c150 but I was only able to use the doors, trim and throttle, no yoke no rudder. It can boost ones confidence and makes you think outside the box if you ever get in a real jam. To my instructor thank Ty Smith, storm villa ny.
Looks pretty scary at the end, but hey I learned something new.
Ditto here. I think my heart rate actually went up a couple of beats per minute just watching the ground effect catch like the CFI said it would. That was some real trust from the pilot.
In the early 70's, I was a front seat pax in a Cessna 310 which suffered a jammed aileron chain in flight. Fortunately, the yoke was centered when it happened . The pilot flew the approach and landing using rudder alone. We landed with the emergency vehicles following us down the runway. The cause of the incident was a loose BNC connector and coax cable. The plug had jammed between the aileron chain and the center sprocket behind the instrument panel.
Nice work guys! I would love to see this again from a inside the cockpit view too
I had complete rudder failure last week. Landed on a gravel bar without any damage to the aircraft. I had never practiced landings without primary control before. I will be practicing them in the future.
OMG! my heart rate went up just watching! excellent job both pilot and instructor. thanks for making this video.
I am a CFI , and have done that, good job! Gene Meade
Great information. I can't believe so many CFI's don't train for that! Mine didn't, and I had no idea a procedure even existed. The only thing I would add is to crack open my door in case the landing went bad. You have a great and thorough CFI!
Well done. I had this training many years ago with Rich Stowell's now-famous Emergency Maneuver Training course in CA, and it it hard to overstate the confidence it gives you to know you can land safely if the controls fail.
Excellent instructor, I'd feel very confident & relaxed with him by my side. During my flying I never experienced approach & landing yoke-less, why is this not taught as standard I wonder....
Brilliant video & audio...
Thanks
Holy smokes! This is one I will be watching a lot. What an awesome instructor. Man!
my CFI drilled me on this and we did it... was way cool to feel comfortable with it after a few landings... the worst part? knowing the ground effect and still not trusting it..
Excellent scenerio! Thank you for sharing.
I felt like I was in flight school again. Thank you for posting such an informative and exciting flight instruction video. If I haven’t subscribed already I’m going to do it now.
Excellent video. A little off topic but reminds me of my first radio control aircraft in 1973 with rudder only control (Ace Pulse Commander with Adams magnetic actuator). I was amazed how much can be done on rudder only with constant throttle and dead stick landings. Later, I picked up another system with KRD sequential quick blip throttle servo (hi-med-lo back to hi), which expanded the envelope. I gather in this case one was piloting a large model aircraft with limited controls.
Very cool. Another possible failure mode: if a single cable breaks instead of a full yoke massive failure, you can fly with the opposite cable alone (assuming a "pull-pull" cable setup). if the elevator "down" cable breaks, for instance, you can trim down just enough to require a bit of back pressure to fly level. Then you can pull a bit harder to bring bring the nose up, or release a bit of pressure to let the nose down. Reverse for a failure on the opposite cable.
Practiced this back in the 70's in an old Navion, throttle and trim only but @ altitude. Was always warned about "balooning" at touchdown.
I used to do that drill with some of my students. Lots of fun. I have to admit, however, I never had the cojones to let them actually land out of it. I'd consider it a success if we got down to a few feet above the runway. It's great to practice this at an uncontrolled field, but if it happened in real life, I'd pick a major towered airport so there's a big runway and people (and ARFF) around if things go bad. And have ATC find you someplace with as little crosswind as possible.
Another fun one to try is to simulate a throttle cable stuck at full power. The basic idea was to use a full slip and shallow climb to get down to Vfe, then extend flaps (and drop gear if in a retract) to keep it draggy as you descend. Pull the mixture on short final and deadstick the landing. You can practice this anywhere, but obviously if it happens in real life, get yourself to the biggest runway you can find and aim for the midpoint.
You can also reduce power with carb heat, switch to a single mag, and play with the mixture. Not wonderful on the engine, but good to have those ace cards in your pocket. I started thinking about that scenario after it happened to somebody at my club. Frayed throttle cable got wedged and wouldn't move.
Can I superlean to keep the engine barely sputtering?
I think I'd rather practice this VFR at an uncontrolled field.
I'd rather know they have crash rescue
Nice, I have done the practice down to final but never to the touchdown. Good stuff, looked like it was gonna prop strike but worked out just like the CFI said. Good stuff!
That was an amazing landing without using primary controls. You've got great control and are focused.
A friend of mine have actually performed this "live". He was out demonstrating a small two seater aircraft, my friend was the test pilot of this aircraft, for a potential customer.... This model only had one centrally placed yoke. Then suddenly the yoke came off, bad weld. So he flew back to the airport with side rudder and trim and landed. The potential customer never bought a plane.... My friend, the pilot, some years later became a full member of SETP.
Great video !! - CFI did an amazing job of preparing you for what you would expect, feel, and "think" during this maneuver. Some CFIs don't teach this, beyond simply talking about it, due to it's assumed "low probability". Mistake ! This could save any of us, so thanks for sharing ! BTW, thank your CFI for all of us.
That is really neat to see, you could save someone's life by watching this. Good find on an instructor that gives you these kinds of sims. Most didn't even want to do a flat spin when I was training....found one that would...can you imagine your first spin entry on a botched under-speed turn to final and you've never felt the entry and accomplished a recovery. Stupid.
Holy shit. That was one of the most amazing videos I have seen yet. I actually learned something. Gonna test it on the sim. You got balls of steel my friend. Great job. Great instructing. Unsung heroes for making this special video
I learned to take off and land without the yoke . Also learned to land after aileron failure . You can fly safely with practice.
Great video.... Next time try this: Enter pattern, fly downwind, turn base, then final and land....only use power, trim, flaps and doors ......worked every time in a C-150
That's a great CFI! We covered system failures but not primary control failure. However, they're doing exactly what I would do.
Fly it with the trim and the throttle. That's just from 500 hrs of flight time. This could save a life! No Question About It! My biggest fear is in-flight fire though.
Who is this CFI, I want to train with him :D
What an amazing demonstration of the principles of flight control.
Did this years ago with the warrior I owned. Just using pedals, power, and trim was fun.
I would recommend doing this at uncontrolled fields though.
I'm glad I watched this. First time seeing this technique put to the test up close and personal. Thanks for sharing.
Very nice video, and I agree with others who have commented on the excellently calm approach of the instructor. I did this - guided by an instructor, of course - in a Robin 2160 shortly after getting my licence, although he had me take hold of the yoke just before the wheels touched. It was surprisingly easy and an excellent confidence-builder.
it is a very interesting exercise and re assuring to see that you can fly and land the plane without primary controls. i did practice it without trim but just throttle and rudder until the flare. will practice once a year. thanks for the video
I lost elevator control after water flowed back during a climb to flight level 230 because the water froze the controls. Not a great experience. I remember calling Minneapolis Center telling them I am going to bust 230 and asked for a block of vertical airspace down to 10,000 ft assuming my controls were frozen. I can tell you it is a very unpleasant experience hoping I was right using throttle to control rate of descent. It was frozen control surfaces and I did get control back around 10,000 feet. Remain calm told my passengers what was going on since one of them overheard do you wish to declare an emergency. Fly the airplane as best you can and make very small changes. No big deal all in a day's work. I would not wish to do this again however.I am an instructor as well but never taught any student how to try and fly without primary controls. Maybe a good idea after all.
My instructor buddies and I would challenge each other to see what we could get away with as far as loss of controls. We finally ended up being able to land a single engine Cessna with just doors and throttle. Trim control was neutral. Adding power nose went up. Reduce.. it went down. Compensating for propellor torque and to accomplish intentional turning was done by shoving door opposite to desired turn open with our feet. Piece of cake!
Impressive! I've never even discussed this situation with an instructor, let alone practice it!
I was almost sweating at the touchdown, thanks for sharing this video, it was very informative, and yes, very scary!
Excellent....cables to break... I had a flap cable snap on take off in a c-172 on climb-out was left with one flap down at 10 degrees... let just say you can do it.. pretty thrilling until I got the one flap up.. thanks for the lesson, hope I don['t need it. Watch it again .. thanks...
Impressive guys, well done on both parts!
What an excellent job by both instructor and student. The student listened well to instruction for which I give him the highest praise.
I wish there were instructors out there who would teach nothing but emergency procedures. All of us are going to encounter something completely unexpected. The clock is ticking while your brain merely tries to grasp the reality and enormity of what occurred, then more valuable time passes as you try to assess what to do to get on the ground safely. Such vital training would acquaint one with various situations and procedures in a safe environment. This instructor would be a sterling candidate to start some emergency flight schools to prepare pilots, then to train other instructors to carry the torch around the U.S.
Where do I sign up?
Just wanted to say thanks for showing this. My only real fear in flying (other than a wing or elevator falling off) is loss of flight control. An engine failure or busted landing gear I can handle. I had suspected the plane could be controlled through rudder and power only (and trim if available) since you use rudder rather than aileron to level the plane during stall approaches, so it was very helpful to see that confirmed and demonstrated. Thanks again!
Very cool...I want to try this next time up.. great job
On calm days in my C170B I'd often practice flying without various controls.
Amazing what you can do using the unlatched doors to replace lost rudder. It results in skidding turns but will provide crude control. Trim tab and power settings becomes a crude replacement for elevator loss.
If you don't panic you can survive control losses.
But then I had some 3000 hours on that B so we were 'intimate' so to speak.
One occasion tower assigned me runway 28 as winds were 360 30 gusting to 40.
I requested 24L "at my discretion" and they cleared me 'at my discretion'.
What I did was land across the width of that runway.
Note that 24L was inactive due to winds and that had I landed on 28 I would have had to do about an 8000 ft taxi back to my tiedown which with a taildragger would have been a major chore with brakes that would fade frequently. (been there done that)
I approached full flaps and dumped them immediately as mains touched the tarmac and hit the brakes.
Runway was 200 ft wide!.
Excellent video! Thanks for posting.You have a great CFI!
Very nice guys! I knew it can be done, but as allways tou have to see it to believe it. If someday I do need to do this and all goes well I will send you a box of beers from Spain.
Jeez, that was pretty freaky there at the end. Never seen such pronounced ground effect.
GREAT instructor!
Always wanted to try this.....thanks for sharing!
Awesome!!! That was amazing! great flying!!!
Outstanding! I was biting my nails watching at my desk. :)
Wauw - I learned a LOT from this video. Sounds like you got a very good instructor. I often fly without the primary controls when taking photos. But I never thought off landing without them. Will find an instructor that can teach me this. Thanks a again:-)
Did this in my flight training as a student pilot. I wasn't allowed to touch the controls at all. Only rudder and trim. I was able to descend, enter circuit with traffic, turn final.. it wasn't until just before touch down we had to take the control back because we would have hit the runway too hard.. but we would have lived if it was real. Good to try once in a while.
Awesome Instructor!
Done the same with the models due to elevator failure (not even elevator trim available, just flaps and throttle)... its definitely challenging.
Main advantage with the model is... if you goof you are a spectator, not a statistic.
Really awesome! Good job
I would liked to have seen this from cockpit view, what trainee is actually doing... but totally interesting video..😊👍👍👍
Thank you so much for sharing. That was a profitional and a simple way to explai it again thank you for helping every one .
Ballsy, earned my subscription for sure. Hope you can keep putting out these videos!
Great job...impressed. I've never done this! Thx for posting!
It is interesting seeing the view of the area around Peachtree-DeKalb airport.
Excellent video! Thank you for sharing.
Great video and cfi
What a great instructor!
Try landing with a broken aileron control rod-end bearing! Been there, done that. The side with the broken bearing suddenly popped almost straight up causing immediate loss of flight control. Had to hold FULL opposite yoke and FULL rudder to compensate . Could only steer in one direction and very slowly. The bearing hadn't been lubricated, so the stud was bending repeatedly whenever the ailerons were used. I had never been trained for that eventuality and had to do it strictly by instinct. Not fun! I was shaking like a leaf. I'm still amazed that I'm alive.
Congrats guys!! This was an excellent exercise!!!
With trim and throttle only... No elevator no ailerons and no rudder you can still land the plane.... .... As long as you have straight and level flight you can land... what matters is can you get to straight and level at a safe landing speed.... You can open the doors and use those for rudder control ... your throttle controls decent and elevator trim controls air speed and pitch... So long straight approach straight down the center line .... So all you have to do is are trim to landing airspeed then control decent with throttle to touch down on the numbers ... Gently use throttle only preferably set properly from long way out .. Open right door to steer right left door to steer left ... The airplane will land itself as long as the spot on the wind shield that does not move is the right spot to touch down you will be fine.... If wheel steering is functional your okay if steering does not function but is straight ahead or free differential braking will be your steering..... Don't change throttle until fully down and not likely to Ballon....
Now, I wanna try this myself!
this instructor is really really good
exactly how I was trained. Excellent work.
First time I've seen that done ,very impressed.
Loss of ailerons is no big deal as long as they aren't jammed too far off-center, you can do the job with the rudder--it's just inefficient in flight and generally messy.
Loss of elevator? I'd shit myself.
+BasementEngineer Do you remember the A300 that was hit by a missile? Lost all hydraulics with a damaged left wing. They landed with differential engine thrust only. Worst thing is that you have to increase the power just prior to touch down to bring the nose back up.
JetPackJan Is that the one where both pilots were killed and only a few passengers survived? They're gonna hafta start carrying flare and chaff cartridges on airliners.
No that was a DC10 I think. That one too had only engines left... But they crash landed with one wing seperating and the cabin ripping into multiple sections.
OK I googled it: the DC10 was United Airlines Flight 232 with 296 PAX (111 died :-( )and the A300 was a DHL freighter with 3 people on board, everyone survived.
+JetPackJan
Not to butt in but I believe that you are correct.
+JetPackJan I think the worst thing for the A300 guys was probably the fact that after they landed they couldn't keep it on the runway, and as they were exiting the aircraft they were told that they had in fact ended up in an old minefield.
Awesome video and talk through! Thank you sir!!!!!
awesome landing!!
Besides you guys did a fantastic job, I have a question regarding the flaps setting.
In my humble opinion, having flaps 40 on final instead of 20 which you had, would give some benefits:
* slower approach speed, which means you can stay over the runway a bit longer (or makes the runway longer for you :)
* more nose-up attitude, ensuring that you touch down with your main gear first
* in case of ballooning you dissipate the energy *much* faster due to the maximum drag so the ballooning arrests quickly. Most likely, it's not going to balloon at all.
* the power dissipation is bigger so a less-than-accurate adjustment of the power doesn't result in immediately destabilising the plane; and the plane's response to the power adjustment is quicker.
I would stabilise my airspeed and vertical speed on final, and once over the runway, I would NOT touch the trim but reduce the vertical speed by adding power, until the plane gently touches down. This way I would float a significant distance over the runway, that's why having a slower speed seems to me so beneficial. In my opinion, this procedure is safer as you keep the option for go-around (intense re-trimming takes that option away).
What do you think?
I'm surprised he called a go around without first making sure the trim wasn't reset. It's super dangerous to go fullpower when the aircraft is trimmed for nose up attitude.
No need to immediately retrim. Just use forward pressure until the appropriate climb attitude THEN trim the control forces out. No different than any go-around.
If you heard what was said the instructor was working with a student IFR pilot , The flaps came up with out instruction from the CFI so I believe the student was on top of the trim .
Even a maximally wrong trim should be easy to overcome on a properly balanced plane.
Really???
Great vid. Thanks for sharing
I didn’t expect the ending. Scary, but it works.
I'm only a flight sim pilot, but it must be said my ass was twitching as he approached the flare! Great flying, great instructor.
Far too few CFIs ever teach that. I also taught students to make a full power off approach and landing with all the seats full. And I would have them abort the landing and go around seconds before the wheels touched the runway.