Here's the details from ofcom about using 5ghz WiFi outside: www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/136009/Ofcom-Information-Sheet-5-GHz-RLANs.pdf
My Wavlink AC600 has DFS. It's in 5G Advanced Settings of the bottom WiFi tab of the Wavlink's router settings page. Mines the more basic 2 Ant version 👍
While your right with the Ofcom info, I think you’ll find that on your handy little pdf it says 4w radio’s TBH good luck finding any Wi-Fi that’ll broadcast anywhere near that, with all the compliance regs they have to jump through, most international Wi-Fi units regardless of 2.4, 5 or 6G will generally have between 200-500mW of power and that exact outdoors unit you have is one of the more powerful consumer grade units, still only outputs a max of 1W on its Wi-Fi radio. Hope this helps.
Although they look the same, 5G and 5GHz are two different things. 5GHz is a frequency used on dual band routers. 5GHz is best suited for high-bandwidth activities like gaming and streaming in high definition. On the other hand, 5G simply means Fifth Generation, commonly associated with cellular service networks. Not sure I see the problem having 5ghz outside.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECTThat just says you aren't permitted to use certain frequency bands at 4 watts output power without registering which seems pretty standard given most SOHO WAPs transmit about 100mW. Virtually everywhere has regulations about unregulated radio transmissions
5GHz is just one of the two options two options that your normal wifi uses...2.4GHz being the other. Any dual band access point does both. 5G is a totally different thing. 5G is newest generation of wireless internet found in towns. Basically every wifi access point in the country goes through the walls and outdoors.
FYI All Ubiquiti outdoor kit has DFS. I.e. Nanostation m5's. These are £110 each. And if you use 2 NSM5's and do a Point to Point link, then they go about 6 miles. So a 6 mile link for £220. Superb value.
You have confused 5G and 5GHZ. '5g' is the fifth generation mobile or cellular network standard it operates on 1.7 to 4.7ghz. 5ghz wifi is a particular frequency that that multiple 'generations' of the wifi standard use wifi 5, 6 & 7. 5g and wifi have nothing to do with each other
I referred to 5 GHz Wi-Fi as "5G" because some manufacturers and marketing materials use "5G" informally to describe the 5 GHz Wi-Fi band. This shorthand is often used to simplify communication and make the product more marketable, even though it's technically incorrect. Since "5G" is a widely recognized term due to 5G cellular networks, it can help attract attention, but I understand the importance of clarifying that this refers to the 5 GHz Wi-Fi band, not the 5G cellular network
That's right. I didn't understand at first, after he mentioned 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, I wondered why WiFi 5 Ghz would be illegal. After all, it's a regular WiFi connection just on a newer frequency... Ok, now it's clearer, just a misunderstanding 👍 🥂
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECTnobody uses 5g to describe 5ghz, as 5ghz is the carrier and 5g is the technology modulating the signal. 5ghz interferes with 5ghz, which is why signal power (strength) is regulated. If you wish to turn almost any wireless device to third generation, simply snap off or desolder every antenna except one, which would literally disable the capacity for Multiple (signal) In and Multiple (signal) Out, also known as MIMO. Cellular networks used the same frequencies up to 4g, therefore advertising the frequency in cellular networks are impossible to describe the 400% up to 1000% increase in network performance (as determined by throughput). And also required consumers to purchase the matching digital devices, making 4g LTE and 5g registered to prevent misuse (selling incompatible equipment at a premium to uninformed consumers). Outside of wireless, 5g also refers to 5th generation especially in jet fighters. It is misleading if you wireless manufacturer sells 5g cellular equipment if it's not legitimately 5g cellular protocol compatible and connects to your cell phone (as this violates trademark and intellectual property law), and these devices are only allowed for purchase by law enforcement and educational institutions. Stop spreading misinformation regarding 5g. I see nothing in your video about installing 5g CELLULAR EQUIPMENT, which is why UA-cam thought I would be interested. False click.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECTplease post images regarding your claims companies are promoting 5ghz equipment as 5g cellular compatible, rather than, "Trust me bro", farming for views BS.
Another tip is that although there are 13 available 'channels' on the UK 2.4 GHz band (only 11 channels in the USA) these are very narrow channels which do not relate to current systems. In truth, there is only enough space in the 2.4 GHz band for 3 non-overlapping 20 MHz wide channels (which is what current 2.4 GHz systems are set to use by default) so for your 2.4 GHz equipment, it would be better to set one unit on channel 1 , another on channel 6 and the third on channel 11 and that way you won't have them overlapping. In the UK you could instead use 2, 7 and 12 or 3, 8 and13, but you'll probably find that your neighbours are on a mixture of 1, 6 and 11, so if you used channel 3 - for example - you'd be overlapping 1 and 6 and thus it's better to stick with 1, 6 and 11 (you'll see on which channels your neighbours are residing on the phone app that you were using, though I didn't even see any on the brief screen that you showed) but you get the idea; you can base your channel plan upon what you see going on around you. FYI You can set some 2.4 GHz systems to use 40 MHz channels, but there's only room for one 40 MHz channel on the 2.4 GHz band so it's very infrequently used. I could go on to type many pages on the subject as it's astoundingly nuanced and actually quite intriguing (I have a shelf of technical books on 802.11 wireless stuff) but everyone will be yawning already, so I'd better stop typing right about here. 😀 😀
This video is click bait, it is designed to get a bunch of discussion going among confused people just to promote the video. The poster knew what they were doing, it's kind of sickening as many will walk away with the wrong idea of UK regs. Any outdoor AP from a major brand can be configured to work legally outside, and they are not expensive, the poster just choose to ignore that and instead made sure to set up the AP in such a way that it did violate the UK reg. It's disingenuous and not very sporting.
You're confusing the 5G telephone network with wifi 5G with regard to the media/paranoia about "cancer and 5G networks". They're frightened of their own shadow and/or litigation in California
2.4g travels farther than 5g 5g is better for gaming because of faster speed but it doesn't travel as far as 2.4g so if all you need is wifi outside disable 5g and all is good as long as what you are trying to connect supports 2.4g
@josephkasler7972 you.are confused, your talking about 2.4 ghz. 2.4 g never existed, and yes 2.4gghz will travel further than 5ghz and go through most objects, and 5ghz will produce better quality co trol_video/audio than 2.ghz, hence in most radio co troll toys 2.4 is used for rc control and 5 is used for video and audio link like for fpv, but 3g, 4g and 5g refer to third, fourth and fifth generation cellular technology, and doesnt refers to its ghz capability at all, do some more research Into 5g abilities, you will find it is far far far far far far more capable than 5ghz, actually you might be very surprised at how many frequencies and how high the frequencies can go. And a guess wont even come close!
Seems like you have riled up some of the commenters haha. As for why the POE didn't work - a PoE+ switch won't work with a passive PoE device because PoE+ supplies 48-57V using a standardized protocol, while passive PoE devices expect a specific, usually lower, voltage (like 24V) without protocol negotiation. A power splitter or injector is needed to match the voltage and connection method. AP Specs - "DC24V / 0.5A Power over Ethernet ( Passive PoE)" Switch (From the Amazon page) - "Please note: If connected a passive Poe device or a non-Poe device, the switch can only transmit data and cannot power your device, so the connected device needs to be separately powered. Or you can use it with active poe splitter." 1. IEEE 802.3af (PoE) Voltage: 44 to 57 volts (typically 48V) 2. IEEE 802.3at (PoE+) Voltage: 50 to 57 volts (typically 53V) 3. IEEE 802.3bt (PoE++) Voltage: 50 to 57 volts 4. Passive PoE (Non-standard) Voltage: Varies (12V, 24V, 48V are common) Passive PoE does not adhere to IEEE standards, so the voltage and power levels are not standardized and can vary significantly. Hope this helps.
do you have a degree in communication technology or something or do you work in the industry? can a normie figure it out with enough research? i cannot cope with all the effing acronyms
Hi, I am an IT guy with over 30 years' experience. Most devices from well-known companies have omitted the illegal frequencies/channels from the spectrum of the device. But there may be a few Chineesium ones that you may want to watch out for. In the 2.4 range of spectrum, the channel width should be set to no more than 20MHz this would allow three channels to be set in order not to interfere. What you showed are interlacing channels. S, channels 6 and 7 will interfere with each other.
Run an ethernet cable to the end of the garden. 12v router powered by a small solar panel, battery and charger controller. You'll have stronger internet speeds and it will cover you entire garden area. All doable for less than £100 if you use a second hand router.
Hi, great video as usual. Just a thought, if you put a small wooden shed on top of your container over the antenna, the antenna would then be inside (the shed) so you would not be breaking the law. Just a thought. Cheers
As others have said, I think you are confusing 5G cellular with 5GHz Wi-Fi and all those restrictions apply to 5G cellular. Re the POE switch, the inputs to it are the green LAN ports far left and the PoE ports are the 8 blue ports to the right. However you may need to log into the PoE switch to turn on PoE to selected ports ? Also each port only gives 30watts output power and that Aerial may require more power than 30 watts ? I love your location, no neighbours and plenty of wide open land - perfection :)
Thank you for this very informative video! Many routers such as your wavlink have multiple options for setting up the operating conditions. you can select wireless or cellular frequencies (both) from the setup/management interface. I have the satellite dish version that produces a signal to 5+ miles. if you are happy with the quality using 2.4 you can uncheck the 5g option to disable that band and remain compliant with your laws. As you are not using an industrial version you should be fine using your wifi as you see fit. Unless it blocks out the military base connection to the weather station. in which case you may be able to enable "echo" to allow their signals to pass through unhindered.
I use the TP LInk Deco X50 indoors and then they offer an outdoor POE unit which literally has a "Legal" switch to make it legal to use outdoors. Have you considered Three broadband for your property instead of Starlink? We use it as we literally have nothing down the phone line and we have been known to receive 800+MB where as one of our neighbours uses Starlink and they only get around 200MB and pay 4 times more than we do. We even get a lower ping. Three told us we couldnt have the 5G Broadband but I found a way around it as I knew I was in range of one of their masts and just bought a good £120 outdoor antenna to pick it up better and we have no line of sight to the masts.
This is interesting. I follow Aiden as we are just embarking on our own barn project (planning just in). We will be in the middle of a field and, although there is gigaclear in the lane, they won't connect us as our property wasn't a an official address when they installed so there isn't a spot on the network (or someother such total bollocks). Looking at the mobile networks, however, EE have recently installed a 5th G on their mast a few hundred meters behind us up the hill. I'm thinking this is likely to be our best bet as, a decent 5G outdoor router will get a strong signal. Limitation is likely to be the backhaul in the mast in such a rural location which is likely to be microwave, rather than fibre. How do you find it?
@@iamaparanoidandroid1 Yes its perfet broadband. My neighbour was using a rural broadband provider for years, £100 for 50mb but they need near perfect line of sight and they wouldn't install ours due to the trees having grown! Luckily this pushed me to experiment. I started with a TP Link 4G indoor router with a Three phone sim that I had but it was terrible (10mb or so) then I added a Panorama 4G external aerial (kept indoors pointing out of a roof window) which helped but not enough for me. We then had a visitor with an EE phone contract so I whipped his SIM card out and tried EE and I was hitting 40mb but after a few tweaks with the aerial and settings I got it to a very steady/reliable 90mb. I dont think 4G will go much faster without perfect conditions. I then found myself changing my phone and my new phone had 5G so I tried a few of my old sims and the Three sim was picking up 5G! Then I signed up to Three 5G Broadband and they provided a 5G router. I added a Poynting 5G V3 aerial and jackpot. Fastest I have had is 960mb. They do limit where they sell it but if you arent too far from a mast just enter a local (local to the mast position) pub/club/business address to do the intial availability search then when paying enter your own delivery address. You can try monthly (£23 or so) so have nothing to lose really. Aerials are advisable but the Poynting 5G V3 is fairly forgiving with aim etc. Use CellMapper website to find mast positions/networks. A 5G phone and a few network sims is the best initial investment to experiment or invite friends round and just have them check with their phone using the Speedtest app. Your aerial is best on the roof so test high up and check signal strength etc. This will guide you towards the best network as its not always the closest mast. They point in different directions etc. The Three mast we connect to is 1.8 miles away and not visible. The Vodafone one that I can see is just over half a mile away with clear line of sight but gives me a slower speed.
@@iamaparanoidandroid1 Yes its perfect broadband. My neighbour was using a rural broadband provider for years, £100 for 50mb but they need near perfect line of sight, and they wouldn't install ours due to the trees having grown! Luckily this pushed me to experiment. I started with a TP Link 4G indoor router with a Three phone sim that I had but it was terrible (10mb or so) then I added a Panorama 4G external aerial (kept indoors pointing out of a roof window) which helped but not enough for me. We then had a visitor with an EE phone contract, so I whipped his SIM card out and tried EE and I was hitting 40mb but after a few tweaks with the aerial and settings I got it to a very steady/reliable 90mb. I dont think 4G will go much faster without perfect conditions. I then found myself changing my phone and my new phone had 5G so I tried a few of my old sims and the Three sim was picking up 5G! Then I signed up to Three 5G Broadband and they provided a 5G router. I added a Poynting 5G V3 aerial and jackpot. Fastest I have had is 960mb. They do limit where they sell it but if you arent too far from a mast just enter a local (local to the mast position) pub/club/business address to do the initial availability search then when paying enter your own delivery address. You can try monthly (£23 or so) so have nothing to lose really. Aerials are advisable but the Poynting 5G V3 is fairly forgiving with aim etc. Use CellMapper website to find mast positions/networks. A 5G phone and a few network sims is the best initial investment to experiment or invite friends’ round and just have them check with their phone using the Speedtest app. Your aerial is best on the roof so test high up and check signal strength etc. This will guide you towards the best network as its not always the closest mast. They point in different directions etc. The Three mast we connect to is 1.8 miles away and not visible. The Vodafone one that I can see is just over half a mile away with clear line of sight but gives me a slower speed.
The range on that thing is incredible! 2.4ghz can stretch further and travel through obstructions easier however is typically slower than 5ghz which is why 5ghz is the preferred however it was my understanding that 2.4ghz was slower due to congestion (more devices that operate on that frequency not just Wi-Fi devices. I wonder if that is as much of an issue in a rural setting? What’s is your speed difference for each band?
Yeah I forget there's other people that live in crowded places sometimes 😅 I checked what channels my 2 neighbours were on for 2.4 and we're all on different ones so that's all good. Just did a quick test, 2.4 was 30mbps and 5 was 90mbps
Fairly sure band levels are for high traffic areas e.g shopping centers and or roads and what not . Your house do what you want. The locked bands for emergency and weathy you wont be able to select anyway
The WavLink shows in the spec sheet that it has a PoE of : DC24V / 0.5A Power over Ethernet ( Passive PoE) So maybe it's something to do with the voltage per-port of the switch? It only says it has 100w total power or 30w per port I think so.. it should be okay. Maybe it's the cable over a long distance causing it to drop below a threshold to supply enough to the device to detect that it is requiring a PoE connection from the switch? I have had that with 75ft cable lengths on non-commercial switches, where they refuse to recognize it. If you move it closer it works I assume to resistance and whatever electrical magic happens.
I love all the confusion from everyone about 5G vs. 5GHz. Good explanation on the problem and such BUT - DFS and such are actually quite common in WiFi devices. It's just not a feature that people bother to advertise (because consumers don't care). Ubiquiti, Fritz!box, TP-Link. (Also search radar detection). Re: PoE, are both active devices and 48v support? eg. support 802.3af? Check port has PoE enabled? Also, you mention 80Mhz "range" - this is often referred to as channel width. Increases the bandwidth that you try and use, but wider band increases the likelihood you overlap with interference or other users of the spectrum.
This video is click bait, it is designed to get a bunch of discussion going among confused people just to promote the video. The poster knew what they were doing, it's kind of sickening as many will walk away with the wrong idea of UK regs. Any outdoor AP from a major brand can be configured to work legally outside, and they are not expensive, the poster just choose to ignore that and instead made sure to set up the AP in such a way that it did violate the UK reg. It's disingenuous and not very sporting.
Looks a great ap. the reason it probably won’t work directly from the switch is its most probably needs a 24v power injector your switch probably only does 12v 👍
@@timballam3675 have you enabled DFS in the omada controller? Someone else said he hasn't bothered 😆 I saw that one had tpc but didn't realise the DFS management was through omada
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT yes I enabled DFS, the newer access points like the EAP650 that I have at home enable it by default, all my installations use a local controller, haven't looked at stand alone access point will try to set one up this afternoon with latest firmware and check.
I'll be having numerous ap's in the house but there's no way I'd get coverage over all of the land, this external one covers everything though. It's just a problem that I didn't know I should have bought one without the 5ghz 🙈
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT well I guess now that you definitely have taken that down you can get yourself a 2.4ghz one which may or may not look exactly the same 🤔
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT or is it just further away …. No of course it is smaller. Great job with the channel btw, really love how diverse and grounded your content is, can really relate.
The PoE switch probably could provide enough power on a single port to power on that outdoor AP, most can do a max of 30W per port, some do less. some outdoor equipment such as wireless bridges need more than 30W of power so they come with a PoE injector.
It all depends on the band of 5ghz you are using basically stay off band c and shouldn't have a problem. Band a is ment to be indoor only but the legislation is a bit vague and band b is in and outdoors no licence needed. I dont believe it's anything to do with profiteering its more to do with ofcom being able to monitor whos doing what to avoid congestion and interference.
As below 5G is name given to phone networks and the Access point is 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz, having said that I work with radio and comms and find it daft but it stems from the first difital networks, 2G, 3G, 4G etc! That asside, regarding the POE switch not powering the Access point is probably due to the POE switch being 45 or 58 volts and the access point being 24volt, if so you're lucky it didn't destroy the access point, if not could be the switch detected over current. Connect the starlink to one og the two ports on the right of the swithch they are not PEO and although the switch should detect if POE is required, it's better to be safe than sorry.
RF Basics; Higher frequency, greater free space path loss, lower range Free space path loss difference between 2.4 and 5 Ghz is around 5dB, over half the signal at the receiver So for range use 2.4 GHz Data Basics; 2.4 Ghz can support around 600 Mbps 5GHz can support around 1300 Mbps Do you need the high speed in a domestic situation - probably not!
If you're not allowed to use the 5GHz range outdoors, and it sounded like you didn't want to use it anyway as you were getting worse reception and range with it, then you can turn it off in the Wi-Fi Configuration section of the access point's configuration.
The router config/antenna config probably has a simple switch to disable 5G. The antennas are probably omni-directional, consider placing something metal behind the transmitter, like a metal trash can or an aluminum foiled tennis racket to double the distance on the active side of the transmitter. Finally, have someone adjust the antenna to aim for best signal strength. Looking forward to your reply. :)
Why not use 2.4Ghz band outdoors? Is that illegal as well? I know the speed will be a bit slower (depends on receiving device as well and which protocols it's using), but still very much usable
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT There is no issue with 5Ghz..... Your not reading the regs correctly. Issues only arise on transmitters of 4 watts or higher. So your talking high power mini Microwave links, not a little AP off ebay.
I mean if you make a small opening in the roof, install that antenna in the hole, and then cover it with a material that the signal can easily penetrate, then it would be considered to be "inside" the house wouldn't it?
The TP Link EAP225-Outdoor(EU) v1.0 from their Omada range certainly is configurable for DFS channels and Transmitter Power in the settings. It's 80 quid on Amazon so a bit drama queenish on the availability and price! I use three around the outside of my house and love their whole setup. Personally, I don't bother..... lock me up now.....
Just run everything on 2.4Ghz and don’t connect anything at 5Ghz. 2.4Ghz transmits further. It’s good for about 100Mbps. I have that same device running as an Access Point. At 2.4Ghz it will connect up to 150 meters.
2.4Ghz gives a longer range that 5Ghz but has a slower data throughput but still very capable for your example needs, if you're worried about the 5Ghz part then just disable it.
The CA thing is due to the plastics and manufacturing process. Nearly everything from telecomm equipment to furniture to food can have that cancer and reproductive harm warning, which kind of blunts the whole point of that warning.
looked at the manual for that device. accessing the admin mode menu at the default local address (192.168.x.x), you can simply toggle the 5Ghz radio off, then it's simply a 2.4Ghz extender/AP at that point. But then this guy probably already knows that. Even so it's an interesting factoid about 5Ghz outdoor radio use in the UK.
Look how clear that Wifi Map is. there is o one around him. I doubt there will be any issues with his outdoor unit because there is no other Networks around.
I don’t think you’re confusing 5G with 5Ghz, you keep saying marketing, 5Ghz is never referred to as 5G, however 802.11ac with includes the 5Ghz spectrum is marketed as WiFi 5 which is marketing speak, but spoils a good video to be too precise on this language even if no company has ever referred to 5Ghz WiFi as 5G.
The term "5G" is shorter and more marketable than "5 GHz," so some retailers might use it as a shorthand, especially if they assume consumers will recognize it as referring to the 5 GHz Wi-Fi band. With the rise of 5G cellular networks, the term "5G" has become popular and widely recognized. Some people 😉 might capitalize on this familiarity, even if it leads to confusion. I have referred to this as "marketing" because my title and using the terms interchangeably will get more engagement, as proven by your comment 😜 so yeah...marketing
Regardless if this guy is confused with what he's trying to convey, there's an underlying message here. That message is that society in all parts of the world are being restricted by groups of people with power that is slowly becoming more and more restrictive. If we don't stop it, it will result in a future that is so miserable that life will become dreadful. I know how to stop this but I need help! Anyone who doesn't want to assist in assuring that the future generations aren't subjected to a dreadful existence, please reach out to help me stop this!
Actually you can use it outside, you can turn off the 5G wifi and run it as a 2.4g, alternativ you can also run it in 5g if you limit it's output, but that depends on whether it let's you configure it. P.s. it has to have some sort of channel manual selection.
This has been said but not explained. 5G mobile band runs from 3GHz up to 66GHz. 5GHz WiFi is the higher frequecy than the original 2.4 GHz. A simple cheap solution to get WiFi in a particular spot, is to use a flat panel antenna and point it where you want. I have run it, house to house in a suburb over 200m, with a standard WiFi router inside the first house, being picked up by the antenna outside at the second house.
If a WiFi router does 5 GHz then it's pretty much guaranteed that it'll do DFS as well. It's often not in the documentation though because nobody really understands it.
I don't get why they don't allow it, 5(*) ghz doesnt have the range that 2.4ghz has, 5(*)ghz is better for interference over 2.4ghz, therefore, there's less chance of it bleeding over, 2.4ghz stands a far greater chance of causing issues with neighbours, what gives?
2.4ghz is better in many ways, more penetration, more range (that's what she said) 5ghz is basically just for speed like for gaming and movies, and for crowded networks like bars, airports, etc ideally you want to have them both though 5g is a different thing though, it simply means 5th generation and it uses a variety of ranges up to 40ghz even so really tiny waves. 5g repeaters/boosters are probably a thing but they might not be legal. If you bought your 2.4/5ghz router/modem in the UK and you set the country correctly, i bet it's already tuned to avoid the problematic frequencies. If it weren't, you could just blame it on them. 😅Your antenna is passive. It's not on you.
Is there anything to boost a mobile signal ? I don’t have WIFI and i live in a house with very thick stone walls. I get a decent 4g signal upstairs nothing downstairs. I do however have a 5g phone. Suggestions welcome Thx.
5G means 5th Generation mobile. 5Ghz is 5,000,000hz.Two very different things. 5G uses various different frequencies. 5Ghz wifi is just that. wifi operating at 5ghz instead of 2.4ghz.
Ignore that California warning. Anything sold in California has that on it. Most people just ignore it now because the legislation that went behind that was actually done wrong and they never fixed it. Hence, 90% of anything sold in California has a label like that on it. Almost all Americans as well as California's ignore that label because it really has no meaning. That's because to avoid any chance of being sued, most companies just decide to slap the label on there whether it was true or not just to protect themselves. And it was cheaper than having a study done. So just ignore that label because it means absolutely nothing
On your non functioning PoE supply to the Wavlink....... the PoE function may be selectable in software for the router and it might need turning on there..... That's maybe why you need the PoE injector. The ebay advert (for the Wavlink) made me laugh out load..... It states that the PoE connection is not waterproof!!! 🤣
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT also have a look at whether your main feed from your modem should go into one of the uplink (green) ports on the right hand side.........
@@BerkeleyTowersyeah that's something else I need to get my head around, I edited a bit out where I was asking for advice about the uplink ports. Also wasn't sure if they should be used to connect up another network switch in the main house and then there's the stuff about crossover cables and my brain just gave up 😆
Yeah, I think you got your wires crossed. Five g means fifth generation and fifth generation just means it uses higher frequency up to fifty thousand gigahertz, but as low as eight hundred megahertz.I like the old school
Hi, Call me stupid but have you considered if just setting up (as with ASUS products) a AIMesh network? Except in your case using a very long CAT6A run to the Mesh Nodes for Front/Backhaul of the Primary/Secondary WAP's? Basically WiFi extending?? Your Modem/Router (Starlink) into Switch, which can bridge to Core Router Core Router [DNS/DHCP/IGMP/etc] with the following channels: Router: [ WiFi_AP-2.5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_2 ] Your Mesh Nodes: Node_1 [WiFi_AP-2.5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_2 ] (This is Fronthaul 10m > 330m to Mesh Leaf_1) Leaf_1 [WiFi_AP-2.5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_2 ] (This is Backhaul, 10m > 330m to Router) The only issue then would be to protect the Mesh routers from the elements and of course getting it some Power. By the looks of it that Green Shipping container would be ideal place to run some underground armor cable for a little 2-Gang socket ~240v place in there one of the Mesh Nodes and 100% you will get decent speeds all the way back to the top of your garden. So by using off the shelf consumer gear you can have external-esq 5Ghz WiFi .ax spec range AX1600 range give good coverage the WiFi 7 .be range also offers excellent coverage. Asus/Netgear/TPLink products. Core: ASUS ROG Rapture GT-BE98 Quad-band WiFi 7 AiMesh Mesh: X2 - Asus ET12 AXE11000 WiFi 6E OR x2 ASUS ZenWiFi BQ16 Router WiFi 7 BE25000 (maybe wait for the firmware to mature a little more)
Thank God I don't have to deal those kinds of restrictions in my country cause they'er upgrading our cell services into 5g soon anyways and making wifi 6 as standard
What doesn't make sense is that just cos his home is insulated and metal framed so his wireless router doesn't transmit outside doesn't mean everyone elses has the same restrictions. Most will work for a certain distance ouitside & around their home....
What you can't do is retransmit mobile signals in the UK. You are mixing up WIFI extending with Mobile LTE signal extending. In any case WIFI 5Ghz so-called 5g wifi will not carry as far as the slower 2.4Gh wifi.
I no people already have corrected you. The system I was actually think of is 5ghz internet but it still can be illegal if to do it a certain way using business internet and making a really big network system with a mesh set up network and multiple access point creating a big hot spot. Then changing for internet simulator to a actual internet service company. I'm pertty sure what that's your institution are taking about. I didn't no it was illegal when I was think about building a system like that but I can understand why now your pertty much becoming a none licensed internet service in your area. The brand tp link got the all the equipment with really large antennas there bigger then a ruff satellite dish it can do around 8 mile area when done correctly. 💯👍✌️😉
There's a difference with 5G for mobile phones and your 5Ghz on Wifi. Something doesn't add up. Actually 5Ghz should work better than 2.4Ghz. 5Ghz has a longer range unobstructed because of the higher frequency. Indoors it will work worse because of walls. The amount of data should be greater also. Try a speedtest. Also only use channels 1.6 or 12 on 2.4 or they will overlap. You need to use up to channel 48 as above radar traffic may disturb it. Wifi is a polite protocol. If other devices are on the same frequency, Wifi will constantly pause to let the one or the other go through. That will reduce your speed drastically if many are on the same channel or with overlap.
Here's the details from ofcom about using 5ghz WiFi outside: www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/136009/Ofcom-Information-Sheet-5-GHz-RLANs.pdf
My Wavlink AC600 has DFS. It's in 5G Advanced Settings of the bottom WiFi tab of the Wavlink's router settings page. Mines the more basic 2 Ant version 👍
While your right with the Ofcom info, I think you’ll find that on your handy little pdf it says 4w radio’s TBH good luck finding any Wi-Fi that’ll broadcast anywhere near that, with all the compliance regs they have to jump through, most international Wi-Fi units regardless of 2.4, 5 or 6G will generally have between 200-500mW of power and that exact outdoors unit you have is one of the more powerful consumer grade units, still only outputs a max of 1W on its Wi-Fi radio. Hope this helps.
You’ve created and propagated tremendous confusion based on superficial interpretation of ‘5G’ and a single document.
Build a doghouse on top of your container, put the antenna inside and make sure to put a door on the doghouse. Now it's indoors.
glass dog house ;)
Although they look the same, 5G and 5GHz are two different things. 5GHz is a frequency used on dual band routers. 5GHz is best suited for high-bandwidth activities like gaming and streaming in high definition. On the other hand, 5G simply means Fifth Generation, commonly associated with cellular service networks. Not sure I see the problem having 5ghz outside.
www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/136009/Ofcom-Information-Sheet-5-GHz-RLANs.pdf
@@mhuk1220 re 5g and 5ghz, it's just marketing 😉
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECTThat just says you aren't permitted to use certain frequency bands at 4 watts output power without registering which seems pretty standard given most SOHO WAPs transmit about 100mW. Virtually everywhere has regulations about unregulated radio transmissions
Thanks for clearing that up, I was confused too.
I had to explain recently that 5g generation is different to the 5ghz frequency. Marketing causes this confusion.
I'm just blown away by the stuff you get up to!
5GHz is just one of the two options two options that your normal wifi uses...2.4GHz being the other. Any dual band access point does both. 5G is a totally different thing. 5G is newest generation of wireless internet found in towns. Basically every wifi access point in the country goes through the walls and outdoors.
What about the bees?
@@Threadbow I presume they just go through the window.
FYI All Ubiquiti outdoor kit has DFS. I.e. Nanostation m5's. These are £110 each. And if you use 2 NSM5's and do a Point to Point link, then they go about 6 miles. So a 6 mile link for £220. Superb value.
Ubiquiti is the Way to Go
I have 4 U6's outside as part of my network, as mentioned above DFS and Transmit power control is there as well as channels in the A, B and C bands
Was just coming to comment to recommend the Nanostations!
You have confused 5G and 5GHZ. '5g' is the fifth generation mobile or cellular network standard it operates on 1.7 to 4.7ghz. 5ghz wifi is a particular frequency that that multiple 'generations' of the wifi standard use wifi 5, 6 & 7. 5g and wifi have nothing to do with each other
I referred to 5 GHz Wi-Fi as "5G" because some manufacturers and marketing materials use "5G" informally to describe the 5 GHz Wi-Fi band. This shorthand is often used to simplify communication and make the product more marketable, even though it's technically incorrect. Since "5G" is a widely recognized term due to 5G cellular networks, it can help attract attention, but I understand the importance of clarifying that this refers to the 5 GHz Wi-Fi band, not the 5G cellular network
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT 5 Ghz is already the shorthand for 5 Gigahertz
That's right.
I didn't understand at first, after he mentioned 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, I wondered why WiFi 5 Ghz would be illegal.
After all, it's a regular WiFi connection just on a newer frequency...
Ok, now it's clearer, just a misunderstanding 👍 🥂
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECTnobody uses 5g to describe 5ghz, as 5ghz is the carrier and 5g is the technology modulating the signal.
5ghz interferes with 5ghz, which is why signal power (strength) is regulated. If you wish to turn almost any wireless device to third generation, simply snap off or desolder every antenna except one, which would literally disable the capacity for Multiple (signal) In and Multiple (signal) Out, also known as MIMO.
Cellular networks used the same frequencies up to 4g, therefore advertising the frequency in cellular networks are impossible to describe the 400% up to 1000% increase in network performance (as determined by throughput). And also required consumers to purchase the matching digital devices, making 4g LTE and 5g registered to prevent misuse (selling incompatible equipment at a premium to uninformed consumers).
Outside of wireless, 5g also refers to 5th generation especially in jet fighters. It is misleading if you wireless manufacturer sells 5g cellular equipment if it's not legitimately 5g cellular protocol compatible and connects to your cell phone (as this violates trademark and intellectual property law), and these devices are only allowed for purchase by law enforcement and educational institutions.
Stop spreading misinformation regarding 5g. I see nothing in your video about installing 5g CELLULAR EQUIPMENT, which is why UA-cam thought I would be interested. False click.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECTplease post images regarding your claims companies are promoting 5ghz equipment as 5g cellular compatible, rather than, "Trust me bro", farming for views BS.
Another tip is that although there are 13 available 'channels' on the UK 2.4 GHz band (only 11 channels in the USA) these are very narrow channels which do not relate to current systems. In truth, there is only enough space in the 2.4 GHz band for 3 non-overlapping 20 MHz wide channels (which is what current 2.4 GHz systems are set to use by default) so for your 2.4 GHz equipment, it would be better to set one unit on channel 1 , another on channel 6 and the third on channel 11 and that way you won't have them overlapping. In the UK you could instead use 2, 7 and 12 or 3, 8 and13, but you'll probably find that your neighbours are on a mixture of 1, 6 and 11, so if you used channel 3 - for example - you'd be overlapping 1 and 6 and thus it's better to stick with 1, 6 and 11 (you'll see on which channels your neighbours are residing on the phone app that you were using, though I didn't even see any on the brief screen that you showed) but you get the idea; you can base your channel plan upon what you see going on around you. FYI You can set some 2.4 GHz systems to use 40 MHz channels, but there's only room for one 40 MHz channel on the 2.4 GHz band so it's very infrequently used. I could go on to type many pages on the subject as it's astoundingly nuanced and actually quite intriguing (I have a shelf of technical books on 802.11 wireless stuff) but everyone will be yawning already, so I'd better stop typing right about here. 😀 😀
Not me, Broadband engineer geek. 😂
That appears to be the #1 cause behind complaints of limited range.
Clever guy dangling the worm. Making a topic he knows people will comment making his channel more noticed I like it mate
lol, I don't think that was the reason
Absolutely. The trend is the ignorant leading the blind. 😂
I already know all of us, but your video made it entertaining. Great job.
The Unifi U7 Outdoor WiFi access point does have DFS and TPC. Hope that helps.
This video is click bait, it is designed to get a bunch of discussion going among confused people just to promote the video. The poster knew what they were doing, it's kind of sickening as many will walk away with the wrong idea of UK regs. Any outdoor AP from a major brand can be configured to work legally outside, and they are not expensive, the poster just choose to ignore that and instead made sure to set up the AP in such a way that it did violate the UK reg. It's disingenuous and not very sporting.
The access point only supports passive PoE, not 802.11af which the (any) PoE network switch is designed for.
Ahaaa I didn't know anything about active and passive before now 🤯
5G (like 4G and 3G before that) is cellular network tech. Just say 5GHz, that's the correct term.
@@luc5543 that wouldn't be any fun though would it 😜
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT Waste of time not much fun, either.
You're confusing the 5G telephone network with wifi 5G with regard to the media/paranoia about "cancer and 5G networks". They're frightened of their own shadow and/or litigation in California
California is the wokest state in the US (probably gonna get myself banned on youtube now lol), so that "warning" didn't surprise me at all
@@BerkeleyTowers 😉
2.4g travels farther than 5g
5g is better for gaming because of faster speed but it doesn't travel as far as 2.4g so if all you need is wifi outside disable 5g and all is good as long as what you are trying to connect supports 2.4g
@@josephkasler7972
@josephkasler7972 you.are confused, your talking about 2.4 ghz. 2.4 g never existed, and yes 2.4gghz will travel further than 5ghz and go through most objects, and 5ghz will produce better quality co trol_video/audio than 2.ghz, hence in most radio co troll toys 2.4 is used for rc control and 5 is used for video and audio link like for fpv, but 3g, 4g and 5g refer to third, fourth and fifth generation cellular technology, and doesnt refers to its ghz capability at all, do some more research Into 5g abilities, you will find it is far far far far far far more capable than 5ghz, actually you might be very surprised at how many frequencies and how high the frequencies can go. And a guess wont even come close!
Seems like you have riled up some of the commenters haha.
As for why the POE didn't work - a PoE+ switch won't work with a passive PoE device because PoE+ supplies 48-57V using a standardized protocol, while passive PoE devices expect a specific, usually lower, voltage (like 24V) without protocol negotiation. A power splitter or injector is needed to match the voltage and connection method.
AP Specs - "DC24V / 0.5A Power over Ethernet ( Passive PoE)"
Switch (From the Amazon page) - "Please note: If connected a passive Poe device or a non-Poe device, the switch can only transmit data and cannot power your device, so the connected device needs to be separately powered. Or you can use it with active poe splitter."
1. IEEE 802.3af (PoE)
Voltage: 44 to 57 volts (typically 48V)
2. IEEE 802.3at (PoE+)
Voltage: 50 to 57 volts (typically 53V)
3. IEEE 802.3bt (PoE++)
Voltage: 50 to 57 volts
4. Passive PoE (Non-standard)
Voltage: Varies (12V, 24V, 48V are common)
Passive PoE does not adhere to IEEE standards, so the voltage and power levels are not standardized and can vary significantly.
Hope this helps.
@@jin3121 thanks for the info 👍 very helpful
do you have a degree in communication technology or something or do you work in the industry? can a normie figure it out with enough research? i cannot cope with all the effing acronyms
You want distance for wireless it's 2.4ghz.
Absolutely. 2.4Ghz is better for outdoors, and speeds of approx 100mb over wifi is just fine.
Hi, I am an IT guy with over 30 years' experience. Most devices from well-known companies have omitted the illegal frequencies/channels from the spectrum of the device. But there may be a few Chineesium ones that you may want to watch out for. In the 2.4 range of spectrum, the channel width should be set to no more than 20MHz this would allow three channels to be set in order not to interfere. What you showed are interlacing channels. S, channels 6 and 7 will interfere with each other.
Run an ethernet cable to the end of the garden. 12v router powered by a small solar panel, battery and charger controller. You'll have stronger internet speeds and it will cover you entire garden area. All doable for less than £100 if you use a second hand router.
That’s precisely what I have done in my garden. Try the obvious solution first…..
Hi, great video as usual. Just a thought, if you put a small wooden shed on top of your container over the antenna, the antenna would then be inside (the shed) so you would not be breaking the law. Just a thought. Cheers
@@AndyAppletree humm yeah, like a bird house 😆🙌
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT Just dont make it from metal - faraday cage!
build a plastic hut around it. and it is now inside.
As others have said, I think you are confusing 5G cellular with 5GHz Wi-Fi and all those restrictions apply to 5G cellular. Re the POE switch, the inputs to it are the green LAN ports far left and the PoE ports are the 8 blue ports to the right. However you may need to log into the PoE switch to turn on PoE to selected ports ? Also each port only gives 30watts output power and that Aerial may require more power than 30 watts ? I love your location, no neighbours and plenty of wide open land - perfection :)
No confusion 😉😉 I've been informed the Poe issue is incompatibility between active and passive 🙈
Thanks for that dude. Great presentation. From New Zealand.
Thank you for this very informative video!
Many routers such as your wavlink have multiple options for setting up the operating conditions. you can select wireless or cellular frequencies (both) from the setup/management interface. I have the satellite dish version that produces a signal to 5+ miles.
if you are happy with the quality using 2.4 you can uncheck the 5g option to disable that band and remain compliant with your laws.
As you are not using an industrial version you should be fine using your wifi as you see fit.
Unless it blocks out the military base connection to the weather station.
in which case you may be able to enable "echo" to allow their signals to pass through unhindered.
Interesting video mate,thanks mate.
I use the TP LInk Deco X50 indoors and then they offer an outdoor POE unit which literally has a "Legal" switch to make it legal to use outdoors. Have you considered Three broadband for your property instead of Starlink? We use it as we literally have nothing down the phone line and we have been known to receive 800+MB where as one of our neighbours uses Starlink and they only get around 200MB and pay 4 times more than we do. We even get a lower ping. Three told us we couldnt have the 5G Broadband but I found a way around it as I knew I was in range of one of their masts and just bought a good £120 outdoor antenna to pick it up better and we have no line of sight to the masts.
This is interesting. I follow Aiden as we are just embarking on our own barn project (planning just in). We will be in the middle of a field and, although there is gigaclear in the lane, they won't connect us as our property wasn't a an official address when they installed so there isn't a spot on the network (or someother such total bollocks).
Looking at the mobile networks, however, EE have recently installed a 5th G on their mast a few hundred meters behind us up the hill.
I'm thinking this is likely to be our best bet as, a decent 5G outdoor router will get a strong signal. Limitation is likely to be the backhaul in the mast in such a rural location which is likely to be microwave, rather than fibre.
How do you find it?
@@iamaparanoidandroid1 Yes its perfet broadband. My neighbour was using a rural broadband provider for years, £100 for 50mb but they need near perfect line of sight and they wouldn't install ours due to the trees having grown! Luckily this pushed me to experiment. I started with a TP Link 4G indoor router with a Three phone sim that I had but it was terrible (10mb or so) then I added a Panorama 4G external aerial (kept indoors pointing out of a roof window) which helped but not enough for me. We then had a visitor with an EE phone contract so I whipped his SIM card out and tried EE and I was hitting 40mb but after a few tweaks with the aerial and settings I got it to a very steady/reliable 90mb. I dont think 4G will go much faster without perfect conditions. I then found myself changing my phone and my new phone had 5G so I tried a few of my old sims and the Three sim was picking up 5G! Then I signed up to Three 5G Broadband and they provided a 5G router. I added a Poynting 5G V3 aerial and jackpot. Fastest I have had is 960mb. They do limit where they sell it but if you arent too far from a mast just enter a local (local to the mast position) pub/club/business address to do the intial availability search then when paying enter your own delivery address. You can try monthly (£23 or so) so have nothing to lose really. Aerials are advisable but the Poynting 5G V3 is fairly forgiving with aim etc. Use CellMapper website to find mast positions/networks. A 5G phone and a few network sims is the best initial investment to experiment or invite friends round and just have them check with their phone using the Speedtest app. Your aerial is best on the roof so test high up and check signal strength etc. This will guide you towards the best network as its not always the closest mast. They point in different directions etc. The Three mast we connect to is 1.8 miles away and not visible. The Vodafone one that I can see is just over half a mile away with clear line of sight but gives me a slower speed.
@@iamaparanoidandroid1 Yes its perfect broadband. My neighbour was using a rural broadband provider for years, £100 for 50mb but they need near perfect line of sight, and they wouldn't install ours due to the trees having grown! Luckily this pushed me to experiment. I started with a TP Link 4G indoor router with a Three phone sim that I had but it was terrible (10mb or so) then I added a Panorama 4G external aerial (kept indoors pointing out of a roof window) which helped but not enough for me. We then had a visitor with an EE phone contract, so I whipped his SIM card out and tried EE and I was hitting 40mb but after a few tweaks with the aerial and settings I got it to a very steady/reliable 90mb. I dont think 4G will go much faster without perfect conditions. I then found myself changing my phone and my new phone had 5G so I tried a few of my old sims and the Three sim was picking up 5G! Then I signed up to Three 5G Broadband and they provided a 5G router. I added a Poynting 5G V3 aerial and jackpot. Fastest I have had is 960mb. They do limit where they sell it but if you arent too far from a mast just enter a local (local to the mast position) pub/club/business address to do the initial availability search then when paying enter your own delivery address. You can try monthly (£23 or so) so have nothing to lose really. Aerials are advisable but the Poynting 5G V3 is fairly forgiving with aim etc. Use CellMapper website to find mast positions/networks. A 5G phone and a few network sims is the best initial investment to experiment or invite friends’ round and just have them check with their phone using the Speedtest app. Your aerial is best on the roof so test high up and check signal strength etc. This will guide you towards the best network as its not always the closest mast. They point in different directions etc. The Three mast we connect to is 1.8 miles away and not visible. The Vodafone one that I can see is just over half a mile away with clear line of sight but gives me a slower speed.
The range on that thing is incredible! 2.4ghz can stretch further and travel through obstructions easier however is typically slower than 5ghz which is why 5ghz is the preferred however it was my understanding that 2.4ghz was slower due to congestion (more devices that operate on that frequency not just Wi-Fi devices. I wonder if that is as much of an issue in a rural setting? What’s is your speed difference for each band?
Yeah I forget there's other people that live in crowded places sometimes 😅 I checked what channels my 2 neighbours were on for 2.4 and we're all on different ones so that's all good. Just did a quick test, 2.4 was 30mbps and 5 was 90mbps
Good video mate! Always nice to see a fellow law abiding citizen 😇
All my Ubiquiti access points have DFS and power control. You do have to have a Ubiquiti controller to use them, but worth it.
If 5ghz can’t be used then disable it in the settings and keep 2.4ghz
Fairly sure band levels are for high traffic areas e.g shopping centers and or roads and what not . Your house do what you want. The locked bands for emergency and weathy you wont be able to select anyway
The WavLink shows in the spec sheet that it has a PoE of : DC24V / 0.5A Power over Ethernet ( Passive PoE)
So maybe it's something to do with the voltage per-port of the switch? It only says it has 100w total power or 30w per port I think so.. it should be okay.
Maybe it's the cable over a long distance causing it to drop below a threshold to supply enough to the device to detect that it is requiring a PoE connection from the switch?
I have had that with 75ft cable lengths on non-commercial switches, where they refuse to recognize it. If you move it closer it works I assume to resistance and whatever electrical magic happens.
Turns out the extender should be run on passive Poe but the switch is active Poe, that's the problem I didn't know existed until now 😅
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT Passive POE is not IMHO POE at all It's just a cheat using unused pairs in the cable 😂😂😂😂
The weather shots are great.... Do you have any problems wiyh cartoons running around in your area's squared.
Cool content
Last I checked, and it's been a while, but you can run either net cable for less cost and trouble and get the same results or better ijs
I love all the confusion from everyone about 5G vs. 5GHz. Good explanation on the problem and such BUT - DFS and such are actually quite common in WiFi devices. It's just not a feature that people bother to advertise (because consumers don't care).
Ubiquiti, Fritz!box, TP-Link. (Also search radar detection).
Re: PoE, are both active devices and 48v support? eg. support 802.3af? Check port has PoE enabled?
Also, you mention 80Mhz "range" - this is often referred to as channel width. Increases the bandwidth that you try and use, but wider band increases the likelihood you overlap with interference or other users of the spectrum.
This video is click bait, it is designed to get a bunch of discussion going among confused people just to promote the video. The poster knew what they were doing, it's kind of sickening as many will walk away with the wrong idea of UK regs. Any outdoor AP from a major brand can be configured to work legally outside, and they are not expensive, the poster just choose to ignore that and instead made sure to set up the AP in such a way that it did violate the UK reg. It's disingenuous and not very sporting.
would have liked to see video on the , wavlink setup. probably the most important bit of the setup.
Looks a great ap. the reason it probably won’t work directly from the switch is its most probably needs a 24v power injector your switch probably only does 12v 👍
I can't even find out what voltage the switch is 🙈 all I can find is that it's 30w a port
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT from the little bit I could find on it, on a website it doe say doesnt support 24v. And the wav link is 24v
😮💨 I was hoping that might be the answer. 🤷
Regarding the poe not working on the switch is a voltage difference to what we use and what say us use.
would love to see a video on a long range wifi antenna with say 500m or 1km range if such a thing is out there
Have had no issues with TP-Link EAP225 V3 outdoor units.....
Also TP-Link EAP650 but again must have latest firmware and be EU version.
@@timballam3675 have you enabled DFS in the omada controller? Someone else said he hasn't bothered 😆 I saw that one had tpc but didn't realise the DFS management was through omada
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT yes I enabled DFS, the newer access points like the EAP650 that I have at home enable it by default, all my installations use a local controller, haven't looked at stand alone access point will try to set one up this afternoon with latest firmware and check.
Did you consider getting a mesh network and just putting access points by windows, works beautifully for me with full garden coverage.
I'll be having numerous ap's in the house but there's no way I'd get coverage over all of the land, this external one covers everything though. It's just a problem that I didn't know I should have bought one without the 5ghz 🙈
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT well I guess now that you definitely have taken that down you can get yourself a 2.4ghz one which may or may not look exactly the same 🤔
@@stephencollins7714 😆 I bought one already, it's smaller 😅
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT or is it just further away …. No of course it is smaller. Great job with the channel btw, really love how diverse and grounded your content is, can really relate.
The PoE switch probably could provide enough power on a single port to power on that outdoor AP, most can do a max of 30W per port, some do less. some outdoor equipment such as wireless bridges need more than 30W of power so they come with a PoE injector.
Green ports = POE You have to enable it in the settings page (it should have an IP address - check your router).
If you put it in a container or dome that would allow the signal through and was a part of the buildings roof,,, would it be outside then?
It all depends on the band of 5ghz you are using basically stay off band c and shouldn't have a problem. Band a is ment to be indoor only but the legislation is a bit vague and band b is in and outdoors no licence needed. I dont believe it's anything to do with profiteering its more to do with ofcom being able to monitor whos doing what to avoid congestion and interference.
As below 5G is name given to phone networks and the Access point is 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz, having said that I work with radio and comms and find it daft but it stems from the first difital networks, 2G, 3G, 4G etc!
That asside, regarding the POE switch not powering the Access point is probably due to the POE switch being 45 or 58 volts and the access point being 24volt, if so you're lucky it didn't destroy the access point, if not could be the switch detected over current.
Connect the starlink to one og the two ports on the right of the swithch they are not PEO and although the switch should detect if POE is required, it's better to be safe than sorry.
It wouldn't power because your switch doesn't support Poe probably, hence using the supplied Poe is supplying the power and it works
@@asif530 it's got 8 Poe ports though 🤷 maybe I should have tried some of the other ports
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT The switch only supports active PoE (the industry standard), but the antenna only has passive PoE.
No maybe have some 1 help U who knows what they be doing as U not got a clue sorry. @@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT Your switch is 48v POE, where as your wifi device is 24v. Thus you must use the supplied Injector.
RF Basics;
Higher frequency, greater free space path loss, lower range
Free space path loss difference between 2.4 and 5 Ghz is around 5dB, over half the signal at the receiver
So for range use 2.4 GHz
Data Basics;
2.4 Ghz can support around 600 Mbps
5GHz can support around 1300 Mbps
Do you need the high speed in a domestic situation - probably not!
If you're not allowed to use the 5GHz range outdoors, and it sounded like you didn't want to use it anyway as you were getting worse reception and range with it, then you can turn it off in the Wi-Fi Configuration section of the access point's configuration.
The router config/antenna config probably has a simple switch to disable 5G. The antennas are probably omni-directional, consider placing something metal behind the transmitter, like a metal trash can or an aluminum foiled tennis racket to double the distance on the active side of the transmitter. Finally, have someone adjust the antenna to aim for best signal strength. Looking forward to your reply. :)
Why not use 2.4Ghz band outdoors? Is that illegal as well? I know the speed will be a bit slower (depends on receiving device as well and which protocols it's using), but still very much usable
2.4ghz is fine to use outdoors, I just bought one that done 5 as well as 2.4 not realising the legality issue of 5ghz 🙈
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT There is no issue with 5Ghz..... Your not reading the regs correctly. Issues only arise on transmitters of 4 watts or higher. So your talking high power mini Microwave links, not a little AP off ebay.
So, that was the last video of the channel... unless you film your life in prison and re-name your channel "The Jailed Aiden Project" :)
@@unperrier5998 😆 if anything happens it'll make for a good video hey
I mean if you make a small opening in the roof, install that antenna in the hole, and then cover it with a material that the signal can easily penetrate, then it would be considered to be "inside" the house wouldn't it?
The TP Link EAP225-Outdoor(EU) v1.0 from their Omada range certainly is configurable for DFS channels and Transmitter Power in the settings. It's 80 quid on Amazon so a bit drama queenish on the availability and price! I use three around the outside of my house and love their whole setup. Personally, I don't bother..... lock me up now.....
@@BerkeleyTowers 🚓 👮 😅 at least I'm not the only one that will get locked up now 😆
Just run everything on 2.4Ghz and don’t connect anything at 5Ghz. 2.4Ghz transmits further. It’s good for about 100Mbps. I have that same device running as an Access Point. At 2.4Ghz it will connect up to 150 meters.
2.4Ghz gives a longer range that 5Ghz but has a slower data throughput but still very capable for your example needs, if you're worried about the 5Ghz part then just disable it.
Remove the standard aerials and add a unidirectional - more range but less signal width
Doesn't the signal from it go through your building any way? I mean the non "metal box" one?
The CA thing is due to the plastics and manufacturing process. Nearly everything from telecomm equipment to furniture to food can have that cancer and reproductive harm warning, which kind of blunts the whole point of that warning.
Similar usage restrictions to two-way radio or citizen band.
Great video
I mean, given that this whole thing is an effort to drive discourse and engagement, might as well oblige..
Well played. 😂
There should be a way to either configure the 5g on the acer or the new one to a different channel so they don't overlap.
cant you just disable the 5ghz wireless in the wavelink settings so its only able to operate at 2.4ghz?
looked at the manual for that device. accessing the admin mode menu at the default local address (192.168.x.x), you can simply toggle the 5Ghz radio off, then it's simply a 2.4Ghz extender/AP at that point.
But then this guy probably already knows that. Even so it's an interesting factoid about 5Ghz outdoor radio use in the UK.
Look how clear that Wifi Map is. there is o one around him. I doubt there will be any issues with his outdoor unit because there is no other Networks around.
I don’t think you’re confusing 5G with 5Ghz, you keep saying marketing, 5Ghz is never referred to as 5G, however 802.11ac with includes the 5Ghz spectrum is marketed as WiFi 5 which is marketing speak, but spoils a good video to be too precise on this language even if no company has ever referred to 5Ghz WiFi as 5G.
The term "5G" is shorter and more marketable than "5 GHz," so some retailers might use it as a shorthand, especially if they assume consumers will recognize it as referring to the 5 GHz Wi-Fi band. With the rise of 5G cellular networks, the term "5G" has become popular and widely recognized. Some people 😉 might capitalize on this familiarity, even if it leads to confusion. I have referred to this as "marketing" because my title and using the terms interchangeably will get more engagement, as proven by your comment 😜 so yeah...marketing
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Regardless if this guy is confused with what he's trying to convey, there's an underlying message here. That message is that society in all parts of the world are being restricted by groups of people with power that is slowly becoming more and more restrictive. If we don't stop it, it will result in a future that is so miserable that life will become dreadful. I know how to stop this but I need help! Anyone who doesn't want to assist in assuring that the future generations aren't subjected to a dreadful existence, please reach out to help me stop this!
All I got from that is that two of your breeze blocks haven’t got any mortar in the vertical joints. (19.14)
Actually you can use it outside, you can turn off the 5G wifi and run it as a 2.4g, alternativ you can also run it in 5g if you limit it's output, but that depends on whether it let's you configure it.
P.s. it has to have some sort of channel manual selection.
generally 2.4ghz works better for longer distances, but likely 5ghz works better at close range line of sight (like in the same room)
This has been said but not explained. 5G mobile band runs from 3GHz up to 66GHz. 5GHz WiFi is the higher frequecy than the original 2.4 GHz.
A simple cheap solution to get WiFi in a particular spot, is to use a flat panel antenna and point it where you want. I have run it, house to house in a suburb over 200m, with a standard WiFi router inside the first house, being picked up by the antenna outside at the second house.
Can you disable the 5ghz and use the 2.4ghz only.
Is there any real huge advantage over 2.4Ghz? What's the point?
If a WiFi router does 5 GHz then it's pretty much guaranteed that it'll do DFS as well. It's often not in the documentation though because nobody really understands it.
You can turn off the 5g in the settings and 2.4 goes further although it's slower , still fast enough.
You know full well that 5G isn't the same as 5Ghz, but it's a good bit of clickbait vidio.
read it, it says 5g = 5 grams so that would be a very light access point......
I don't get why they don't allow it, 5(*) ghz doesnt have the range that 2.4ghz has, 5(*)ghz is better for interference over 2.4ghz, therefore, there's less chance of it bleeding over, 2.4ghz stands a far greater chance of causing issues with neighbours, what gives?
Lost me after outdoor 😂😂😂😂
😆 are you a hermit? 😜
2.4ghz is better in many ways, more penetration, more range (that's what she said)
5ghz is basically just for speed like for gaming and movies, and for crowded networks like bars, airports, etc
ideally you want to have them both though
5g is a different thing though, it simply means 5th generation and it uses a variety of ranges up to 40ghz even so really tiny waves.
5g repeaters/boosters are probably a thing but they might not be legal.
If you bought your 2.4/5ghz router/modem in the UK and you set the country correctly, i bet it's already tuned to avoid the problematic frequencies. If it weren't, you could just blame it on them. 😅Your antenna is passive. It's not on you.
I'm not sure that'll be a good enough excuse for an ofcom spectrum engineering officer 😅 especially with my video as evidence 🙈
Your network switch will probably only be poe on a couple of ports, the ones with poe should be different from the others
Is there anything to boost a mobile signal ? I don’t have WIFI and i live in a house with very thick stone walls. I get a decent 4g signal upstairs nothing downstairs. I do however have a 5g phone. Suggestions welcome Thx.
Yes you get get mobile phone repeaters, most of the mobile phone companies sell them, but you can buy generic ones from loads of websites also.
5G means 5th Generation mobile. 5Ghz is 5,000,000hz.Two very different things. 5G uses various different frequencies. 5Ghz wifi is just that. wifi operating at 5ghz instead of 2.4ghz.
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Ignore that California warning. Anything sold in California has that on it. Most people just ignore it now because the legislation that went behind that was actually done wrong and they never fixed it. Hence, 90% of anything sold in California has a label like that on it. Almost all Americans as well as California's ignore that label because it really has no meaning. That's because to avoid any chance of being sued, most companies just decide to slap the label on there whether it was true or not just to protect themselves. And it was cheaper than having a study done. So just ignore that label because it means absolutely nothing
Turn off the 5g in settings on the Wavlink run it on 2.5g only making it compliant.
Fun Fact all routers from 2004 onwards (Some in 2003) are all capable of transmitting and receiving 5G!
Another is that 4G has way more range than 5G.
The higher the frequency, the faster the speed and lower the range. Also, disable 5ghz on the wavelink then it's legal
On your non functioning PoE supply to the Wavlink....... the PoE function may be selectable in software for the router and it might need turning on there..... That's maybe why you need the PoE injector. The ebay advert (for the Wavlink) made me laugh out load..... It states that the PoE connection is not waterproof!!! 🤣
@@BerkeleyTowers oh 👍 I'll have to look into it abit more as it was bugging me
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT also have a look at whether your main feed from your modem should go into one of the uplink (green) ports on the right hand side.........
@@BerkeleyTowersyeah that's something else I need to get my head around, I edited a bit out where I was asking for advice about the uplink ports. Also wasn't sure if they should be used to connect up another network switch in the main house and then there's the stuff about crossover cables and my brain just gave up 😆
It seems that someone is confusing the 5Ghz / 5 gigaherz frequency, and 5G or fifth generation cellular technology.
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Very educational and interesting. Thanks for sharing
Yeah, I think you got your wires crossed. Five g means fifth generation and fifth generation just means it uses higher frequency up to fifty thousand gigahertz, but as low as eight hundred megahertz.I like the old school
Hi, Call me stupid but have you considered if just setting up (as with ASUS products) a AIMesh network? Except in your case using a very long CAT6A run to the Mesh Nodes for Front/Backhaul of the Primary/Secondary WAP's? Basically WiFi extending??
Your Modem/Router (Starlink) into Switch, which can bridge to Core Router
Core Router [DNS/DHCP/IGMP/etc] with the following channels:
Router: [ WiFi_AP-2.5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_2 ]
Your Mesh Nodes:
Node_1 [WiFi_AP-2.5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_2 ] (This is Fronthaul 10m > 330m to Mesh Leaf_1)
Leaf_1 [WiFi_AP-2.5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_1, WiFi_AP-5G_2 ] (This is Backhaul, 10m > 330m to Router)
The only issue then would be to protect the Mesh routers from the elements and of course getting it some Power. By the looks of it that Green Shipping container would be ideal place to run some underground armor cable for a little 2-Gang socket ~240v place in there one of the Mesh Nodes and 100% you will get decent speeds all the way back to the top of your garden.
So by using off the shelf consumer gear you can have external-esq 5Ghz WiFi .ax spec range AX1600 range give good coverage the WiFi 7 .be range also offers excellent coverage. Asus/Netgear/TPLink products.
Core: ASUS ROG Rapture GT-BE98 Quad-band WiFi 7 AiMesh
Mesh: X2 - Asus ET12 AXE11000 WiFi 6E OR x2 ASUS ZenWiFi BQ16 Router WiFi 7 BE25000 (maybe wait for the firmware to mature a little more)
If its legal to use indoors and you don't have a metal roof, you can put it in an attic and get most of the range out of it no problems.
Thank God I don't have to deal those kinds of restrictions in my country cause they'er upgrading our cell services into 5g soon anyways and making wifi 6 as standard
Why not make a plastic little house for it to sit in IE U sit the makeshift house over it on the side of container
What doesn't make sense is that just cos his home is insulated and metal framed so his wireless router doesn't transmit outside doesn't mean everyone elses has the same restrictions. Most will work for a certain distance ouitside & around their home....
What you can't do is retransmit mobile signals in the UK. You are mixing up WIFI extending with Mobile LTE signal extending. In any case WIFI 5Ghz so-called 5g wifi will not carry as far as the slower 2.4Gh wifi.
I no people already have corrected you. The system I was actually think of is 5ghz internet but it still can be illegal if to do it a certain way using business internet and making a really big network system with a mesh set up network and multiple access point creating a big hot spot. Then changing for internet simulator to a actual internet service company. I'm pertty sure what that's your institution are taking about. I didn't no it was illegal when I was think about building a system like that but I can understand why now your pertty much becoming a none licensed internet service in your area. The brand tp link got the all the equipment with really large antennas there bigger then a ruff satellite dish it can do around 8 mile area when done correctly. 💯👍✌️😉
Put inside a thin perforated plastic tube its inside then
There's a difference with 5G for mobile phones and your 5Ghz on Wifi. Something doesn't add up. Actually 5Ghz should work better than 2.4Ghz. 5Ghz has a longer range unobstructed because of the higher frequency. Indoors it will work worse because of walls. The amount of data should be greater also. Try a speedtest. Also only use channels 1.6 or 12 on 2.4 or they will overlap. You need to use up to channel 48 as above radar traffic may disturb it. Wifi is a polite protocol. If other devices are on the same frequency, Wifi will constantly pause to let the one or the other go through. That will reduce your speed drastically if many are on the same channel or with overlap.