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Unfortunately, I find the most realistic of these bad choices the Health Insurance one. This is because there are, (not to sound Jigsaw-like but due to experience here), a variety of companies that literally try to get around the law not to help people for various reasons whenever they can. Sedgwick is one of the most guilty companies (IRL) of doing this since they help organizations like Walmart or Walgreens basically do this for their employees via corporate passing-the-buck to them. Demotion as the main option for asking for a single, basic accommodation due to disability and logical reasoning about it isn't accommodation, it's bulls**t, especially a different, similar organization manages to work with your disability and the minimal accommodations asked for. That's why I took my Short-Term Disability Insurance Money and quit before the automated Leave of Absence ran out. I didn't harm anyone else doing that but hope it made a point to the idiot in Personal department that made whole thing required - "forgetting" about a disability repeated is a cowardly, jerk move especially the disabled person got full permission and understanding from their direct department manager already. That's already enough to annoy the heck out of a basic, retail staff member alone. If I could get a cure for that disability and my employer and/or healthcare got in the way, I would be reasonable angry about it myself. Mine's not fatal (most of the time - SUDS exists but is rare), just potentially eventually crippling. So to me, John Kramer being pissed enough about literally being sentenced to death via Brain cancer to literally put multiple people from the healthcare company that denied his coverage seems like just Nuclear Revenge to me. I can find this point reasonable relatable - main difference here is I go with compliance to help me out. However for outside the law, John kind of has a point there; the extra murders are excessive, but for that particular entire movie, I can say that he's kind of justified there - especially since the main character did that for likely hundreds of people that were suffering and could have been cured and/or helped.
Am i the only person who felt sad seeing john get beaten up? i mean i know John is a lunatic but at the end of the day he is still just a sick old man.
and choosing an impossible trap at that, dude easily could've went with a basic trap, but no, he had to make up some bs that is ultimately proved to be anatomically impossible, and that cost him his wife
@@johnandreimayor822 That trap was survivable, but not by using the method he attempted (and wrote in his book) if stabbed through the ribs, would be able to support his weight, also supposedly could be cheated in some way by stabbing through the chains
His wife didn't deserve that, I don't think Jigsaw would've put an innocent person like her in such a brutal ass trap. Which Jigsaw prodigy do you think put her in there?
Yup. Adrenalin, unbearable pain, most often the victims are drugged, enclosed spaces (Claustrophobia people would be in hell), and the dread of making a mistake could end your life is very stressful thing. Not to mention that the victims… never SAW it coming… I’ll go now. Me: [jumps on a giant flamingo and flies away into the sunset]
Funnily enough I am at my best in stressful situations but maybe that is due to my ADHD when my mind kicks into high gear and I develop hyperfocus. When the stakes are low it's really difficult for me to take anything seriously. Though I haven't been in a saw situation yet so I might be full of crap.
Can't fault Obi for his death. Xavier did force him in there at knife-point without giving him a chance to properly examine the trap first. Plus, it was a fatal race against time.
Actually I believe peter’s death was actually inescapable. Even if he had gotten in the box instead of Hoffman. Hoffman would’ve most likely had trapped him in there to die seeing as how peter already suspected him of being jigsaw and there’s no way Hoffman wouldn’t have had a way to stop the walls from closing seeing as how he already knows about the traps and has mechanisms to stop them if he needed to
Honestly. I kept seeing comments like this "why didn't he just get in the box" I'm like. Dude even IF he got in the coffin. Do you really believe Hoffman would let him go? Chances are he STILL gets crushed to death (brutal way) but they're like "Hoffman is smarter" I'm like yeah that's obvious. But Strahm's is a lose lose situation. 💀 I swear those people are just dumb..
They all did dumb things but it HAS to be Jeff. Between the collar around his wife’s neck and the fact Kramer technically did what Jeff wanted, he completely overreacted and should have known killing him would have a consequence
Why would they want to save her considering she was just using both of them when she started cheering for the winner that's when they knew she's wasn't worth it
In that situation would you really give a shit whos "using" you? And would you really blame that girl for using them? It wasnt fair she had no say in whether she lived. I hate that trap. Especially why Jigsaw cared about any of them in the first place, like they weren't murderers or criminals.
Another worse decision making was despite the fact that Agents Erickson and Perez BOTH knew beforehand that Hoffman was the Jigsaw successor all along, they decided to play with the dude's emotions. They kept backing him into a corner like an animal, provoking him so much to the point he felt he had no choice but to kill them. He didn't want any lose ends. But what really took the icing on the cake was the fact that Erickson and Perez did NOT have any backup plan or nothing! No extra police or anything. Just one random worker! Hoffman took all 3 of them out like they were nothing. I kind of knew Erickson was a bit of a dummy but Perez really disappointed me the most. They brought her back in Saw 6 just to kill her off in such a lame way was just... wow. Bringing her back was kind of pointless in all honesty lol.
You can't fault them for doing their job, but I think it would've been wiser for them to deal with the evidence piling up against Hoffman without him present. They could have sent the tapes to FBI HQ to undo the voice change on the recordings.
Peter Strahm made the same mistake in Saw 5 when he pretty much told Hoffman that he suspects him in the hospital scene. He should have kept his thoughts to himself and secretly do his investigation without letting anyone else know.
@@mask938 Riggs was already moving in a forward direction plus he was on the other side of a door which he probably didn't hear clearly. He could have heard open the door instead of don't open the door.
i love this franchise so much everytime i try to look for clues on how to survive each trap and i yell at the TV telling them how to deal with the situation probably like they can hear me 😂😂😂
You're not alone on that. I always yell at the stupid heads and even some survivors (amanda could have gotten out a lot easier if she didn't do the panic stabs. Just saying).
Another terrible decision was Cecil attacking Jigsaw. He won his game and then for some reason charged at John Kramer before John moved so Cecil ran into a crate of Razor Wire and died
I personally think that Carly's decision from 2017 Jigsaw should've been MUCH higher. She KNEW what the right choice was. She KNEW the exact money combination that she had stolen and which syringe had the antidote. Remember, all of the contestants are being strangled at this time. She is going to die one way or another, either from strangulation or the syringes. She endangered everyone and killed herself for the most minuscule reason.
Sad thing was that she did give the answer of which antidote & they was like what. Then she said the answer again & nothing was done about it & then the Chain Trap activated. But uh at that point, the Jerk straight up didn't care for people at that time & just murders her.
Saw 6 was the second horror movie I saw (lol). I fell in love with Mark Hoffman and the whole franchise. The Saw series is definitely my favorite horror franchise, and Mark Hoffman is one of my all-time favorite characters. Also, I am so glad you put Addison as number 1. Me and everyone I've ever watched this with always bring up how stupid that was lol
The "Never working together" in Saw 5 ticked me off the most. Because they all could've survived and yet killed everyone else to get out. Both the woman and man were disgraceful human beings.
The one at 6:27 there’s a loophole for the three needle, drop a drop of the liquids on her arm, the acid will burn but then you can inject the other two that are safe Also the killing jigsaw one lies on Jeff’s wife, she knew that if jigsaw died then she would die but instead of telling Jeff this she lets him kill jigsaw. She was conscious she should have said something
nice loophole. but you can't be sure the acid will be strong enough to cause harm on the skin. you are only sure that, if injected, it will kill you. bleach, or lemonade, are lethal if injected but won't harm your arm if you drop a few drops on your arm.
@@Nonya943 oh opps, thanks for clarifying that, it’s been a while since I’ve seen this movie but I did remember her standing by when John died but not all the details
I'm watching it for the first time this year. I've watched the first 3 movies so far. I'll watch the rest as soon as I get the password for my family's Hulu account.
lawyer walking into the shotgun's fire range in Saw 3 has got to be top 1. Dude already escaped his own trap, he now just has to stay put until Jeff finishes everything. If only he wasn't walking too much around when he knows Jeff is tinkering with a shotgun that can fire at any time, he would've gotten off the ordeal scot-free.
I think an honorable mention should be Erikson and Perez purposely bringing Hoffman along while they decoded the tape even though they already knew he was the other accomplice. Did they not think, dunno, that a detective turned jigsaw apprentice would try to fight his way out?? They were taunting him the whole time, putting him on edge and ultimately backed him into a corner and they thought what? That he would willingly surrender? Not only were they fucking with him they also had no backup plan, no other agents or cops to help subdue him. Knowing Perez suspected him and was wary around him, i expected her to have been way smarter about that.
Always felt the insurance guys died unfairly. Yes he inadvertently caused most of this but he had to go through the games like everyone else and I'm the end he didn't get a chance. His life was already over at the hands of people who already wanted him dead. At that point there was so much set up for no reason.
I dislike the fact Bobby’s wife was killed tbh she should of decided weather or not to let him live or die tbh I don’t believe she should of died and her trap was honestly way to much for me
I’ve always been insanely curious what John’s reaction would have been had Amanda let him find out.. part of me thinks John always knew, but it would have been an incredible twist if, as Amanda was dying from Jeff’s gunshot, John revealed he knew the whole time, making Amanda’s decision to shoot Lynn even more futile
Some of these traps like the one with Carly, they could have simply tested a couple drops on a chain, the floor, even a piece of clothing. If it's an acid that will cause serious damage to a human body to the point of death, a few drops on anything would have some form of noticeable reaction.
while that idea sounds good, let me tell you something. one thing is to use a few drops on anything and another is injecting yourself with acid. on metal, bleach won't cause any damage for several minutes/hours but inject bleach in your body and you will be happy when you finally die. acid works the same. there are acids that will take a long time to damage metal or wood but will kill you if injected. this may be a bit of an stretch but lemonade is an acid. there's no chance in hell that it damages metal with only a few drops but I hope you don't try to inject lemonade on your body.
William Easton’s death may be the most satisfying one in the franchise. If he had just given John what he wanted, nobody else would have had to die in traps.
Now Zepp dying was great. Regardless of him being a pawn, hw took a lot of pleasure in psychogically torturing a young girl and her mother. After that, watching Adam beating that creeps face in with a toilet lid was just fantastic to watch.
@@bleachfan2.029 He drew first blood when he denied John’s demands. If he had just given John what he wanted, John would’ve never become Jigsaw and a hundred people would’ve survived. It doesn’t matter if he was just doing his job. It’s not a job worth having anyway.
Since we learned that the treatment John wanted was a sham, can’t fault William for denying it. He even gave John a pretty fair reason for doing so, despite his insurance company looking to deny claims every angle they could. He’s shitty for other reasons, but this was actually a good call by him.
Would like to take a page out of Smart Saw Choice 16 and say that Allison assuming that the killer is in the closet is both smart and stupid. If she believes that the killer is recording in the closet, she would've known it wasn't the case when the camera drops if the killer is hiding in there. She investigates the camera instead of being on her guard.
@@shadysorkin9214 Oh she’s in the top five undoubtably (Her name is Anna, I’m a Saw nerd). I’m just imagining that lots of people would view what Ivan did as worse because his actions affected more lives (when his corpse was found, it was revealed he victimized not just one, but 3 women), but yeah Anna’s equally bad.
I disagree with #2, if you look at it from Strahm's perspective, he's tracking down Hoffman and is at the end when he's asked to shut himself inside a coffin. (Seems like a one-way ticket to death) And, Hoffman was right behind him anyway when he entered the room, and Hoffman would've killed Strahm anyway whether he got in the coffin or not. Hoffman probably added the closing walls to the trap as a backup in case Strahm didn't listen and didn't go in the coffin (which he did).
Addison that put both hands in the box.....wow that had to b painful. she really should of listen to the tape. She probably would of gotten a good hint about the key thats literally hanging on the opposite side of the box. Good chance that could of just open the box. U can c the key hanging right on top of the screen.
@@kath9088 true but she could of went back to find the others to get the tape player since someone had it. Just an observation. But again nerve gas could cloud the judgment
That trap was a set up no matter what. Putting her other hand in the box was extremely dumb, but with how that needle was positioned and stuck to the glass she would have probably pulled the top off wasting the antidote just the same
In my school vr game, the worst choice is during the saw through mission called the jig, and it's messed up where ryuko matoi is forced into choosing who to be her boyfriend ever vidar a lumin sage and Goalius a cyberdemon and these been some bad things mentioned like Goalius consuming a lot of mobile suits and kidnapping and vidar did the same but persernating as the Gundam kimaris vidar and its a 3 chance choice for Goalius he will get stab with a anti ship blade pacificly scwegevege as 1 lost for vidar he losses a eye and a nutsack for Goalius second he gets his jaw broken by a destroyer thermo baric round and for vidar his is getting stabbed by multiple rapier and Goalius final is getting the bfg 9000 fired in his mouth that will kill him but for vidar he be mauled to death by the demon labrios and ryuko chosen vidar over Goalius and here's the thing a error happened the bfg 9000 got fried by Goalius blood and he regenerated fast so John kraemer decided to keep ryuko matoi locked up for gross negligence (he didn't know Goalius blood was worse then hydrochloric acid)
4 had the best ending until the Unrated version fucked it up by changing it. Seeing Hoffman stand up was EPIC and in the Unrated version they changed it to not showing it happen.
The dad in part 2 didn't die in the bathroom..he broke his own foot to get out of the shackles. I think he is killed eventually though. He's the guy on the ice block, I think. Edit: it wasnt technically her decision..but jill slapping the reverse bear trap 2.0 on hoffman
For the millionth time, Gordon cut off his foot to reach the gun to shoot Adam as a last ditch effort to save his family. Neither the saw nor his shirt would have been able to reach the gun.
Yea, revenge can wait if your wife is dying on the floor in front of you and he's practically a corpse on a hospital bed. He's not going anywhere anytime soon
The test was to have the hooks through his pectoral muscles. To loop the hooks through his belt or anything else, would be a violation of the rules. If this wasn't the case, however, he should have gone with that.
I say that Ryan’s leg trap was meant to happen as jigsaw knew that it was going to be ryan that would try the no exit door everyone gets tested so that was Ryan’s test and also the door opens after Ryan looses his leg and the silo opens not sooner
IMO Amanda had the EASIEST saw trap ever 😒 bc all she had to do was kill a man that she didn't even know. She didn't have to inflict ANY pain on herself......Just saying.
@@robbertag808 He probably wasnt innocent if he got in a saw trap.. Also its the easiest trap compared to the saw traps. In real life any of these would be hard
@@universedaydreammI don't know if you've seen the movies, but it's not like Jigsaw is that picky with who he tries to kill. He doesn't meticulously choose loads of pedophiles, rapists and child murderers. He might aswell be picking names out of the phone book and getting dirt on them.
Strahm trap was easyily avoided, he could of took his coat off or his shoe and jam it within the cogs, even put his gun in there, even if the cogs began to turn after those few seconds could of delayed the coffin going in and the walls might of crushed that instead or at least cause some kind of malfunction
Considering people get put in them for things like being on antidepressants or not leaving an abusive marriage, I'd say that's a lot easier said than done.
It's not that simple. Some people are put into traps just for being associated with a bad person, regardless of whether they're aware of it or not. For example, Daniel and Joyce were good people, but they got put into traps because they were associated with bad people.
@bim4422 Joyce is honestly the most f*cked death in the series for me. She was totally innocent of everything and got cooked alive (in one of the most unrealistic traps) because of her husbands lies that she believed.
most of the people in the tests for William Easton were innocent. a young guy died just because he had no family, a janitor died because his lungs were bad, the majority of the people working under him were pieces of shit but didn'r really deserve to die for what they did
To be fair tho even if you survived the traps you probably would have been killed by Kramer or any of his helpers before you even left the building. Leave no witness
Have you even watched the Saw movies? The whole point of Jigsaw's games is to make people appreciate their lives by putting them through games that are symbolic of their misdeeds. John doesn't kill the survivors and he doesn't tell his followers to kill them either. In Saw 3D, there's even a support group for Jigsaw survivors.
@@Spiralredd To be fair, the name is never spoken in the films, but a lot of us have seen the behind the scenes and other stuff outside of the film. It’a a coin flip on if the average person knows that one.
If Garza could've dislocated then relocated her shoulder she could've got out or at least used the tape recorder to block her face or sacrifice her hand to block it
That whole movie had terrible traps. if I was the guy I would have done a waterboarding trap instead of a wax trap. and rather than paralyzing her from the neck down paralyzing her from the waist down. That way she would be able to move her arms
@@Spiralredd Bruh, it's very obvious that Shenks didn't want the corrupt cops to survive. Also, the recording mentioned Garza "never sticking her neck out for others". The blade being under her neck relates to that. The traps in the Saw movies that are made for specific people are symbolic of their misdeeds and the same applies for the traps in Spiral. The Tongue Vice is related to how Boswick would lie in court trials, the Fishnet Finger Trap is related to how Fitch killed an innocent person with his trigger happy fingers, the Wax Trap is related to how Garza covered up police corruption, and the Puppet Trap is related to the former captain's misdeeds. The only one that doesn't seem to relate to the victim is the Glass Blower.
@@Spiralredd They actually can work. All of the Saw traps can work. The film crew speaks to actual engineers to find out if the traps could work in real life.
Yeah but then they figured "Nah lets make it where Strahm is locked outside and Hoffman is safe and the walls crush Strahm to dust" but damn water in the coffin
0:47 Is actually no fucking one in the crowd doing any single damn thing, not the girl constantly changing her mind. Actually, cheating on someone is NOWHERE NEAR a reason to have to choose between life and death.
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Also how about a top 10 dark comedy/horror films and i know the top three
1. Terror Tract
2. Bad Biology
3. Death Becomes her
Yeah I knew you forgot about that thief who got himself trapped in a barbed wire bed when he also tried to kill William / Jigsaw
Unfortunately, I find the most realistic of these bad choices the Health Insurance one. This is because there are, (not to sound Jigsaw-like but due to experience here), a variety of companies that literally try to get around the law not to help people for various reasons whenever they can.
Sedgwick is one of the most guilty companies (IRL) of doing this since they help organizations like Walmart or Walgreens basically do this for their employees via corporate passing-the-buck to them. Demotion as the main option for asking for a single, basic accommodation due to disability and logical reasoning about it isn't accommodation, it's bulls**t, especially a different, similar organization manages to work with your disability and the minimal accommodations asked for.
That's why I took my Short-Term Disability Insurance Money and quit before the automated Leave of Absence ran out. I didn't harm anyone else doing that but hope it made a point to the idiot in Personal department that made whole thing required - "forgetting" about a disability repeated is a cowardly, jerk move especially the disabled person got full permission and understanding from their direct department manager already. That's already enough to annoy the heck out of a basic, retail staff member alone.
If I could get a cure for that disability and my employer and/or healthcare got in the way, I would be reasonable angry about it myself. Mine's not fatal (most of the time - SUDS exists but is rare), just potentially eventually crippling. So to me, John Kramer being pissed enough about literally being sentenced to death via Brain cancer to literally put multiple people from the healthcare company that denied his coverage seems like just Nuclear Revenge to me.
I can find this point reasonable relatable - main difference here is I go with compliance to help me out. However for outside the law, John kind of has a point there; the extra murders are excessive, but for that particular entire movie, I can say that he's kind of justified there - especially since the main character did that for likely hundreds of people that were suffering and could have been cured and/or helped.
Am i the only person who felt sad seeing john get beaten up? i mean i know John is a lunatic but at the end of the day he is still just a sick old man.
@@shanecoulson7042 well Mark was upset that he took his son but he did failed his test
Choosing not to move out of a city jigsaw lives in
Lmao
Yup.
Yep you are right
Gotham syndrome
I swear it would have been the FIRST thing I did once I start seeing jigsaw murders on the news.
"Slow Ass Motherfuckin Jeff"
-James A. Janisse from Dead Meat
All I can hear whenever Jeff is mentioned now lol
@@rowan4573 Same
Because of this, my fellow meaties, I honestly think he should have been #1 on this list.
Inaide joke in my family we would call him slow poke Jeffe lol instead of slow poke Rodriguez and jeffe instead of Jeff bc Spanish lol
Yes! That's all I can hear now whenever Jeff comes up. I even use it in every day life lol 😂
Faking being a survivor when the killer is still alive is unbelievably stupid.
Wanted his 15 minutes of fame
I agree
and choosing an impossible trap at that, dude easily could've went with a basic trap, but no, he had to make up some bs that is ultimately proved to be anatomically impossible, and that cost him his wife
@@johnandreimayor822 That trap was survivable, but not by using the method he attempted (and wrote in his book) if stabbed through the ribs, would be able to support his weight, also supposedly could be cheated in some way by stabbing through the chains
His wife didn't deserve that, I don't think Jigsaw would've put an innocent person like her in such a brutal ass trap. Which Jigsaw prodigy do you think put her in there?
People aren't exactly known for acting rational in stressful situations
Yeah true
That's what I was thinking
Yup. Adrenalin, unbearable pain, most often the victims are drugged, enclosed spaces (Claustrophobia people would be in hell), and the dread of making a mistake could end your life is very stressful thing. Not to mention that the victims… never SAW it coming… I’ll go now.
Me: [jumps on a giant flamingo and flies away into the sunset]
Funnily enough I am at my best in stressful situations but maybe that is due to my ADHD when my mind kicks into high gear and I develop hyperfocus. When the stakes are low it's really difficult for me to take anything seriously. Though I haven't been in a saw situation yet so I might be full of crap.
True, but the results of a bad decision are the same no matter WHAT rationalization or excuse anyone makes.
Can't fault Obi for his death. Xavier did force him in there at knife-point without giving him a chance to properly examine the trap first. Plus, it was a fatal race against time.
I'm pretty sure the knife Xavier threatened him with turned out to be fake.
@Mask it wasn't- he used it to cut the number off the back of his own neck when Amanda told him he needed them alive to see his number
Ok guys but the switch to turn the fire off was litterally in front of obi
@@serhan8047 Yeah, it was right there! He just didn't have the balls to get to it.
Scariest part was Obi wasn't to phased by it, even doing a little nick on his own neck with said knife before doing the task.
Saw 5 - The Players not realizing all the Tunnels were big enough for them all to hide in before The Nail Bombs went off.
By that point they were conditioned to believe someone had to die
Hence, why it was covered as one entry on the list as "Not Working Together"
Saw 2 Eric not listening to Jigsaw got him kidnapped, saw 4 Riggs not listening to jigsaw got him and Eric killed
These bitches were physically fighting over the tunnel
Would also put not using the body of the women who was electrocuted as a source of blood in the subsequent trap
Actually I believe peter’s death was actually inescapable. Even if he had gotten in the box instead of Hoffman. Hoffman would’ve most likely had trapped him in there to die seeing as how peter already suspected him of being jigsaw and there’s no way Hoffman wouldn’t have had a way to stop the walls from closing seeing as how he already knows about the traps and has mechanisms to stop them if he needed to
yeah, Hoffman does have the remote to the mechanisms. Strahm died the moment he entered the basement.
If it was John, the box wouldve saved him. But Hoffman doesnt play by John's rules.
Honestly. I kept seeing comments like this "why didn't he just get in the box" I'm like. Dude even IF he got in the coffin. Do you really believe Hoffman would let him go? Chances are he STILL gets crushed to death (brutal way) but they're like "Hoffman is smarter" I'm like yeah that's obvious. But Strahm's is a lose lose situation. 💀 I swear those people are just dumb..
They all did dumb things but it HAS to be Jeff. Between the collar around his wife’s neck and the fact Kramer technically did what Jeff wanted, he completely overreacted and should have known killing him would have a consequence
The two guys with the girl was literally "Bros before hoes." Lmao.
Easiest break up ever.
Easily the best decision Brad and Ryan ever made.
Why would they want to save her considering she was just using both of them when she started cheering for the winner that's when they knew she's wasn't worth it
Call of duty before they shake her booty
In that situation would you really give a shit whos "using" you? And would you really blame that girl for using them? It wasnt fair she had no say in whether she lived. I hate that trap. Especially why Jigsaw cared about any of them in the first place, like they weren't murderers or criminals.
Another worse decision making was despite the fact that Agents Erickson and Perez BOTH knew beforehand that Hoffman was the Jigsaw successor all along, they decided to play with the dude's emotions. They kept backing him into a corner like an animal, provoking him so much to the point he felt he had no choice but to kill them. He didn't want any lose ends. But what really took the icing on the cake was the fact that Erickson and Perez did NOT have any backup plan or nothing! No extra police or anything. Just one random worker! Hoffman took all 3 of them out like they were nothing. I kind of knew Erickson was a bit of a dummy but Perez really disappointed me the most. They brought her back in Saw 6 just to kill her off in such a lame way was just... wow.
Bringing her back was kind of pointless in all honesty lol.
You can't fault them for doing their job, but I think it would've been wiser for them to deal with the evidence piling up against Hoffman without him present. They could have sent the tapes to FBI HQ to undo the voice change on the recordings.
@@shadowgirl617 The cops in this series are idiots!
@@shadowgirl617 They also could've had extra guards and cleared the room of any objects Hoffman could use to kill them.
Peter Strahm made the same mistake in Saw 5 when he pretty much told Hoffman that he suspects him in the hospital scene. He should have kept his thoughts to himself and secretly do his investigation without letting anyone else know.
Yea, they could have arrested him like normal cops and charged him with being a serial killer jigsaw. Then bring the proof in court
Saw 4 - Rigg not Listening when Eric Screamed Don't Open the Door & he opened it 1 second too soon.
Err, I dunno if not hearing something making a decision?
Would’ve been better if he stayed with his wife.
@@pallyboy6005 How could he not hear it?! Eric was screaming at the top of his lungs and Eric has a very loud voice!
@@mask938 Riggs was already moving in a forward direction plus he was on the other side of a door which he probably didn't hear clearly. He could have heard open the door instead of don't open the door.
@@Hannahgal11 There's no way he wouldn't have heard Eric's loud ass voice just because the door was closed.
Strahm being killed hit me the hardest… I actually liked the guy… rip
i wish he jist shot those tubes over the cage ceiling
@@Amber_Freeman_Unmasked1406 that wouldn't have done anything though?
@@kelsey2333 their explosive meaning itll blow the cage at the top up
@ghostface145 Just noticed your username. It's good to see a spiral child who respects other greats.
Really? So you support & like idiots?
Nice to know. I will avoid you at all costs.
i love this franchise so much everytime i try to look for clues on how to survive each trap and i yell at the TV telling them how to deal with the situation probably like they can hear me 😂😂😂
Your watching saw not Dora the explorer
You're not alone on that. I always yell at the stupid heads and even some survivors (amanda could have gotten out a lot easier if she didn't do the panic stabs. Just saying).
Another terrible decision was Cecil attacking Jigsaw. He won his game and then for some reason charged at John Kramer before John moved so Cecil ran into a crate of Razor Wire and died
Saw 2 - Xavier dropping The Key to The Antidote like an idiot, after Amanda fished it out of that hole of Syringes.
That's not an actual decision though, "just" a dumb and very costly mistake.
Number 1 should’ve been: Fucking with John Kramer
I thought one of them was gonna be:
"Killing Jill Tuck"
Since Hoffman killed her, thats where he fucked up
Denying John coverage isn’t a dumb choice because in Saw X, it proves how the solution was actually a scam
I personally think that Carly's decision from 2017 Jigsaw should've been MUCH higher. She KNEW what the right choice was. She KNEW the exact money combination that she had stolen and which syringe had the antidote. Remember, all of the contestants are being strangled at this time. She is going to die one way or another, either from strangulation or the syringes. She endangered everyone and killed herself for the most minuscule reason.
Sad thing was that she did give the answer of which antidote & they was like what. Then she said the answer again & nothing was done about it & then the Chain Trap activated. But uh at that point, the Jerk straight up didn't care for people at that time & just murders her.
#1. Being in the Saw universe
Damn, sucks to be them
Saw 6 was the second horror movie I saw (lol). I fell in love with Mark Hoffman and the whole franchise. The Saw series is definitely my favorite horror franchise, and Mark Hoffman is one of my all-time favorite characters.
Also, I am so glad you put Addison as number 1. Me and everyone I've ever watched this with always bring up how stupid that was lol
Once she got the syringe she could've used her other arm to get herself free
Mark Hoffman is my favorite character from this series as well
Saw 3 everything Jeff does
"Slow-Ass-Mutha-Fuckin'-Jeff!"
-DeckerShado, the internet personality with the best hair.
@pallyboy6005 I thought it was dead meat lol
@@itsraven984 ooooh, maybe they both go for it~ A lot of the review/commentary channels shout each other out, I'm not sure who said it first~
@@pallyboy6005 Oh ha 💀
The "Never working together" in Saw 5 ticked me off the most. Because they all could've survived and yet killed everyone else to get out. Both the woman and man were disgraceful human beings.
Perez getting too close to The Jigsaw Saw Doll when it said your next move is Critical....Most people would've backed up.
That was part of the list
Idk though… because maybe just maybe the average person would have gotten closer to hear what it was saying… I didn’t even see the explosion coming
A better choice would've been to side step
Never saw the explosion coming. My mind would’ve immediately gone to thinking the room itself was booby trapped.
The one at 6:27 there’s a loophole for the three needle, drop a drop of the liquids on her arm, the acid will burn but then you can inject the other two that are safe
Also the killing jigsaw one lies on Jeff’s wife, she knew that if jigsaw died then she would die but instead of telling Jeff this she lets him kill jigsaw. She was conscious she should have said something
nice loophole. but you can't be sure the acid will be strong enough to cause harm on the skin. you are only sure that, if injected, it will kill you.
bleach, or lemonade, are lethal if injected but won't harm your arm if you drop a few drops on your arm.
She had just been shot so probably wasn’t very aware of what was going on.
@@Nonya943 oh opps, thanks for clarifying that, it’s been a while since I’ve seen this movie but I did remember her standing by when John died but not all the details
Man. I need to rewatch the series.
I'm watching it for the first time this year. I've watched the first 3 movies so far. I'll watch the rest as soon as I get the password for my family's Hulu account.
Buy the CD set
I'm doing it now
lawyer walking into the shotgun's fire range in Saw 3 has got to be top 1. Dude already escaped his own trap, he now just has to stay put until Jeff finishes everything. If only he wasn't walking too much around when he knows Jeff is tinkering with a shotgun that can fire at any time, he would've gotten off the ordeal scot-free.
I think an honorable mention should be Erikson and Perez purposely bringing Hoffman along while they decoded the tape even though they already knew he was the other accomplice. Did they not think, dunno, that a detective turned jigsaw apprentice would try to fight his way out?? They were taunting him the whole time, putting him on edge and ultimately backed him into a corner and they thought what? That he would willingly surrender? Not only were they fucking with him they also had no backup plan, no other agents or cops to help subdue him. Knowing Perez suspected him and was wary around him, i expected her to have been way smarter about that.
Always felt the insurance guys died unfairly. Yes he inadvertently caused most of this but he had to go through the games like everyone else and I'm the end he didn't get a chance. His life was already over at the hands of people who already wanted him dead. At that point there was so much set up for no reason.
I'd swap 17's 'Denying John Coverage' with 'Not Standing in the one place that the acid trap would be fatal'
It’s insane how something can happen in a split second or come back at you years later. Choices.
This video could easily have been called "Worst decisions in Saw 2". So many dumb choices are made in that one.
I dislike the fact Bobby’s wife was killed tbh she should of decided weather or not to let him live or die tbh I don’t believe she should of died and her trap was honestly way to much for me
Yeah, she was innocent and didn't know that her husband lied about being a survivor.
That's the difference between jigsaw and his apprentices. He made sure det matthews kid survived, after jigsaw died everyone's in danger.
11:00 I don’t think Amanda would have killed Lynn if Hoffman would not have left that note
Yup she killed her recluctantly
I’ve always been insanely curious what John’s reaction would have been had Amanda let him find out.. part of me thinks John always knew, but it would have been an incredible twist if, as Amanda was dying from Jeff’s gunshot, John revealed he knew the whole time, making Amanda’s decision to shoot Lynn even more futile
Some of these traps like the one with Carly, they could have simply tested a couple drops on a chain, the floor, even a piece of clothing. If it's an acid that will cause serious damage to a human body to the point of death, a few drops on anything would have some form of noticeable reaction.
while that idea sounds good, let me tell you something. one thing is to use a few drops on anything and another is injecting yourself with acid.
on metal, bleach won't cause any damage for several minutes/hours but inject bleach in your body and you will be happy when you finally die.
acid works the same. there are acids that will take a long time to damage metal or wood but will kill you if injected.
this may be a bit of an stretch but lemonade is an acid. there's no chance in hell that it damages metal with only a few drops but I hope you don't try to inject lemonade on your body.
The worst decisions in saw were the ones done off camera that led them into these traps. Their life decisions.
There's also a lock with a key in it on the outside of the glass box. She could have easily taken the box down and unlocked it.
The main reason why I hate Horror Films is because almost everyone in the film is extremely stupid
She was on drugs there, she couldn’t think straight… as every person in the house there
@@ILoveLittleChildren Would you put both hands in the box immediately once you see it?
William Easton’s death may be the most satisfying one in the franchise. If he had just given John what he wanted, nobody else would have had to die in traps.
Now Zepp dying was great. Regardless of him being a pawn, hw took a lot of pleasure in psychogically torturing a young girl and her mother. After that, watching Adam beating that creeps face in with a toilet lid was just fantastic to watch.
Don't underestimate the rack. It's like therapy, only a lot cheaper.
I think it’s Ivan’s death
Why was it satisfying? He was doing his job, unfortunately for John that’s how all insurance agencies are
@@bleachfan2.029 He drew first blood when he denied John’s demands. If he had just given John what he wanted, John would’ve never become Jigsaw and a hundred people would’ve survived. It doesn’t matter if he was just doing his job. It’s not a job worth having anyway.
Man the AUDIO WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THIS VIDEO
Even if the guy Dina picked died, she still would have lived.
Saw 5 yes. They would've ALL survived
I knew Addison would be #1. That scene infuriated me when I first saw it!!
Especially if she would have walked around to the other side of the box, she would have found the key I the lock!!
Jigsaw - Mitch hanging over the spiral blender not reaching for the brake when Anna jammed the gears…
Jigsaw taking on a protege caused half of the movies…
Since we learned that the treatment John wanted was a sham, can’t fault William for denying it. He even gave John a pretty fair reason for doing so, despite his insurance company looking to deny claims every angle they could.
He’s shitty for other reasons, but this was actually a good call by him.
They forgot the worst decision of all: Becoming a Jigsaw victim!
I've always wondered how Jigsaw knew his victims.
Hoffman
#1 worst decision, the producers filming snd publishing "spiral."
you forgot the man who killed jigsaws baby, he started it all
Cecil and William were the reasons. I wouldn’t say the sole blame’s on Cecil
@@Randomperson-zt3ilDon't forget Amanda
She ask Cecil to do what he does
Would like to take a page out of Smart Saw Choice 16 and say that Allison assuming that the killer is in the closet is both smart and stupid. If she believes that the killer is recording in the closet, she would've known it wasn't the case when the camera drops if the killer is hiding in there. She investigates the camera instead of being on her guard.
How about the top 20 overplayed commercials
Do top saw characters that got what they deserve
Guarantee Ivan from Saw 4 is #1 if not close to the top.
@@darthmeticulous6901 I think the chick from jigsaw has to be #1 without question.
@@shadysorkin9214 Oh she’s in the top five undoubtably (Her name is Anna, I’m a Saw nerd). I’m just imagining that lots of people would view what Ivan did as worse because his actions affected more lives (when his corpse was found, it was revealed he victimized not just one, but 3 women), but yeah Anna’s equally bad.
@@darthmeticulous6901 Oh i thought ivan was just 1 woman. Ok then yeah ivan lmao
@@darthmeticulous6901Ivan‘s number 1 then Anna number 2 (although I do hate Anna so much, Ivan did it to more people)
14:48 hey, it’s Slow-Ass Motherfuckin’ Jeff! (Well, that’s what Dead Meat calls him, anyways.)
I disagree with #2, if you look at it from Strahm's perspective, he's tracking down Hoffman and is at the end when he's asked to shut himself inside a coffin. (Seems like a one-way ticket to death) And, Hoffman was right behind him anyway when he entered the room, and Hoffman would've killed Strahm anyway whether he got in the coffin or not. Hoffman probably added the closing walls to the trap as a backup in case Strahm didn't listen and didn't go in the coffin (which he did).
Cope
I mean if I lived in the saw universe I simply wouldn't die. That's the best strategy for staying alive tbh.
Literally lmao
They should have saved this video for Saw ten thats coming out
Addison that put both hands in the box.....wow that had to b painful. she really should of listen to the tape. She probably would of gotten a good hint about the key thats literally hanging on the opposite side of the box. Good chance that could of just open the box. U can c the key hanging right on top of the screen.
She didn't have anything to listen to it with though
@@kath9088 true but she could of went back to find the others to get the tape player since someone had it. Just an observation. But again nerve gas could cloud the judgment
@@qbert1558 That's definitely a lot better plan! Sorry for the blunt tone, I was a bit grumpy earlier, so I apologise for my rudeness!
@@kath9088 u r totally fine! 😁
That trap was a set up no matter what. Putting her other hand in the box was extremely dumb, but with how that needle was positioned and stuck to the glass she would have probably pulled the top off wasting the antidote just the same
In my school vr game, the worst choice is during the saw through mission called the jig, and it's messed up where ryuko matoi is forced into choosing who to be her boyfriend ever vidar a lumin sage and Goalius a cyberdemon and these been some bad things mentioned like Goalius consuming a lot of mobile suits and kidnapping and vidar did the same but persernating as the Gundam kimaris vidar and its a 3 chance choice for Goalius he will get stab with a anti ship blade pacificly scwegevege as 1 lost for vidar he losses a eye and a nutsack for Goalius second he gets his jaw broken by a destroyer thermo baric round and for vidar his is getting stabbed by multiple rapier and Goalius final is getting the bfg 9000 fired in his mouth that will kill him but for vidar he be mauled to death by the demon labrios and ryuko chosen vidar over Goalius and here's the thing a error happened the bfg 9000 got fried by Goalius blood and he regenerated fast so John kraemer decided to keep ryuko matoi locked up for gross negligence (he didn't know Goalius blood was worse then hydrochloric acid)
4 had the best ending until the Unrated version fucked it up by changing it. Seeing Hoffman stand up was EPIC and in the Unrated version they changed it to not showing it happen.
Omg why would they do that. I agree that's probably my favorite twist reveal ever
So in the unrated version he just appears behind Rigg?
@@ghostfacekiller4371 Yep.
4 is completely forgetful.
That is amazing. It is so much like John getting up in 1
Jeff was the absolute WORST
"I found a treatment for my cancer that I think holds a lot of promise."
Then Saw X happens...
...and all that "promise" turns out to be false.
All of this in the movie are bad decisions for sure 😱☠️
Saw is like a choose your own adventure book where you get every choice wrong
That's not gonna stop em from making and releasing Saw X
The dad in part 2 didn't die in the bathroom..he broke his own foot to get out of the shackles. I think he is killed eventually though. He's the guy on the ice block, I think.
Edit: it wasnt technically her decision..but jill slapping the reverse bear trap 2.0 on hoffman
Yeah he’s the guy on the block in IV
@@Randomperson-zt3il I didn't recognize him at first..until I kinda reasoned out why he had the boot.
@@dreadmonkey6811 it’s hard to tell somewhat imo but I knew who it was when I first saw it
Don’t forget cops turning on Zeke, and Tara and Brent letting anger consuming them
For the millionth time, Gordon cut off his foot to reach the gun to shoot Adam as a last ditch effort to save his family. Neither the saw nor his shirt would have been able to reach the gun.
The two guys from #20 now are married.
Source?
Some of these entries’ recordings sound muffled.
best decision in saw series? casting tobin bell as Jigsaw phenomenal actor and iconic villain
Saw 3 - Jeff Killing Jigsaw it ultimately cost him his wife's life.
I feel bad for the actor who played him. The creators forced him to by one of the dumbest characters in the Saw series.
Yea, revenge can wait if your wife is dying on the floor in front of you and he's practically a corpse on a hospital bed. He's not going anywhere anytime soon
Why is it always the Amandas that gotta be the most selfish?
Idk bro my Aunt Amanda is pretty chill
Mine has to be the chest hook one, he couldve looped both chains around his legs and hooked the chains to themselves
THANK YOU !!!!!I WAS JUST SAYING THIS THE OTHER DAYYYY OMG 😂
RIGHT??? That one was the worst by far. There's SO much he could've done. Even putting the chains on the belt of his pants probably would've worked.
The test was to have the hooks through his pectoral muscles. To loop the hooks through his belt or anything else, would be a violation of the rules. If this wasn't the case, however, he should have gone with that.
Rigg was, by far, the most infuriating character.
Oh for sure
I loved him. But when he went through the door at the last second I wanna to literally smash my head into the TV.
Pretending to be a survivor is in my opinion the most dumb thing to do.
You are just baiting a psychopath to kidnap you
Ah yes…Slow Ass MF Jeff…a classic.
I say that Ryan’s leg trap was meant to happen as jigsaw knew that it was going to be ryan that would try the no exit door everyone gets tested so that was Ryan’s test and also the door opens after Ryan looses his leg and the silo opens not sooner
Ok, these coutdowns are getting very specific.
and that a good thing
IMO Amanda had the EASIEST saw trap ever 😒 bc all she had to do was kill a man that she didn't even know. She didn't have to inflict ANY pain on herself......Just saying.
You must be a killer for being that an easy choice to kill an innocent person.
@@robbertag808 He probably wasnt innocent if he got in a saw trap.. Also its the easiest trap compared to the saw traps. In real life any of these would be hard
@@universedaydreamm He was. That was the whole point of the trap. lmao.
@@universedaydreammI don't know if you've seen the movies, but it's not like Jigsaw is that picky with who he tries to kill. He doesn't meticulously choose loads of pedophiles, rapists and child murderers. He might aswell be picking names out of the phone book and getting dirt on them.
@@universedaydreammi would rather hurt myself than anyone else any day!
Strahm trap was easyily avoided, he could of took his coat off or his shoe and jam it within the cogs, even put his gun in there, even if the cogs began to turn after those few seconds could of delayed the coffin going in and the walls might of crushed that instead or at least cause some kind of malfunction
And we can’t show the deaths anymore? Pity…!
#1: The voice changer in Spiral sounding like a damn Muppet.
Should do 10 times Jigsaw was a major hypocrite he's such a tool and makes insane justifications for his "not murders"
Never Saw that coming. 😉😉
It's a joke.
🥁🥁🥁
"I SAW what you did there."
--Various sources and contexts though I first heard the line in game Dead Rising 2
It's really easy to avoid Jigsaw's traps. Just don't be a shitty person in life.
Considering people get put in them for things like being on antidepressants or not leaving an abusive marriage, I'd say that's a lot easier said than done.
@@simonO712 yeah some people don't deserve to be in them at all and are just pawns in someone else's game like Adam and Joyce
It's not that simple. Some people are put into traps just for being associated with a bad person, regardless of whether they're aware of it or not. For example, Daniel and Joyce were good people, but they got put into traps because they were associated with bad people.
@bim4422 Joyce is honestly the most f*cked death in the series for me. She was totally innocent of everything and got cooked alive (in one of the most unrealistic traps) because of her husbands lies that she believed.
most of the people in the tests for William Easton were innocent. a young guy died just because he had no family, a janitor died because his lungs were bad, the majority of the people working under him were pieces of shit but didn'r really deserve to die for what they did
To be fair tho even if you survived the traps you probably would have been killed by Kramer or any of his helpers before you even left the building. Leave no witness
That's not true if you survive you live that's his whole thing. Go thru hell to be grateful of your life and do better
Unles you're dealing with Amanda you'd likely live.
He actually let's you live. There's a survivor group for people who lived. Unless you have Amanda or Hoffman, you're fine
@@yoshifrazzled7628 thats why jigsaw keeps his identity secret by not showing his face in the tapes
Have you even watched the Saw movies? The whole point of Jigsaw's games is to make people appreciate their lives by putting them through games that are symbolic of their misdeeds. John doesn't kill the survivors and he doesn't tell his followers to kill them either. In Saw 3D, there's even a support group for Jigsaw survivors.
Out of every trap I’ve seen the hot wax was hard to watch.
Yeah that and the rack are the hardest ones to watch imo
Not shooting the killer is a problem in all of the movies lol.
Dude I always love
These videos
The WM editors really do Ryan dirty with the changing quality of his recordings
0:01 What the fuck? Did Seth just bark?
I’ve been watching Saw forever and never knew until this video that the doll actually had a name.
billy
How did you not know
@@Spiralredd To be fair, the name is never spoken in the films, but a lot of us have seen the behind the scenes and other stuff outside of the film. It’a a coin flip on if the average person knows that one.
@@darthmeticulous6901 yeah but we are talking about a simple Google search here
@@Spiralredd Yes, but in my experience that means nothing if people are unwilling/too lazy to bother looking up/reading something.
being a character with a screen time of more then 30 minutes
If Garza could've dislocated then relocated her shoulder she could've got out or at least used the tape recorder to block her face or sacrifice her hand to block it
bro what
That whole movie had terrible traps. if I was the guy I would have done a waterboarding trap instead of a wax trap. and rather than paralyzing her from the neck down paralyzing her from the waist down. That way she would be able to move her arms
@@Spiralredd Bruh, it's very obvious that Shenks didn't want the corrupt cops to survive. Also, the recording mentioned Garza "never sticking her neck out for others". The blade being under her neck relates to that. The traps in the Saw movies that are made for specific people are symbolic of their misdeeds and the same applies for the traps in Spiral. The Tongue Vice is related to how Boswick would lie in court trials, the Fishnet Finger Trap is related to how Fitch killed an innocent person with his trigger happy fingers, the Wax Trap is related to how Garza covered up police corruption, and the Puppet Trap is related to the former captain's misdeeds. The only one that doesn't seem to relate to the victim is the Glass Blower.
@@mask938 yeah but still the traps themselves are so poorly created none of them could have worked.
@@Spiralredd They actually can work. All of the Saw traps can work. The film crew speaks to actual engineers to find out if the traps could work in real life.
4:03 why is the sound of the video so funny
The original ending was that the coffin would fill up with water drowning Hoffman
Yeah but then they figured "Nah lets make it where Strahm is locked outside and Hoffman is safe and the walls crush Strahm to dust" but damn water in the coffin
I wonder how they would've continued. Glad they didn't do that. Hoffman was badass.
i never liked Hoffman anyways so I wish that was the ending and im gonna pretend that Strahm and Riggs are both still alive
And the real number one mistake of all jigsaw traps, still believing you can escape being in a trap after you know about it
Yeah if im in a jigsaw trap im just gonna sit there til the timer goes off. Im gonna die anyways so might as well go the easy way!
That first trap if they just moved it to the side they could have all lived possibly
for #2 it was rigged because hoffman would have just left him until he died of dehydration
0:47 Is actually no fucking one in the crowd doing any single damn thing, not the girl constantly changing her mind. Actually, cheating on someone is NOWHERE NEAR a reason to have to choose between life and death.
I mean one guy was put there cause he's a smoker 😂
14:43 S.A.M.F. Jeff
Watchmojo: today we're counting down the stupidest decisions in the saw movies.
Me: my god, count the ways! There's more stupid decisions than I can count!