Should I Go To University?

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 266

  • @deepspace3899
    @deepspace3899 6 років тому +131

    Holy shit you just perfectly described my uni experience

    • @I_am_Jek
      @I_am_Jek 6 років тому +1

      Yes they basically teach you what the things are that you could be knowing and then you have to work HARD to achieve it ^^

    • @rubenbezuidenhout1493
      @rubenbezuidenhout1493 6 років тому

      Mine too xD

    • @infinitesimotel
      @infinitesimotel 6 років тому +6

      Unis are there to make money, and just like any other commercial entity, they will tell you whatever they have to in order to get your enrolment. Sad but true, the money is the factor, sorry but: welcome to life.
      Fuck the academia, learn for yourself. All you need is the desire to become what you want to become. Play in the mud and get dirty, learn how a child learns; bruises and cuts are marks of honour and wisdom. They dynamics are always the same. Dont let some institution sell you the promise of all the answers, becuase they dont.

    • @deepspace3899
      @deepspace3899 6 років тому +5

      Actually I live in a country where you can get higher education for free (which I'm doing right now) if your grades are good enough (about above average I'd say). My university is paying me scholarship too.

    • @MusobarMedia
      @MusobarMedia 6 років тому

      same as you man LMAO

  • @countedgnome7216
    @countedgnome7216 6 років тому +188

    vlogs aren't why i subscribed to this channel, but they're definitely a neat addition to the other content.

  • @YoloMonstaaa
    @YoloMonstaaa 5 років тому +261

    "University is necessary. Now let me list a dozen reasons why uni sucks and is useless and you end up teaching yourself anyways."
    -This video.

    • @vinos1629
      @vinos1629 4 роки тому +13

      That's pretty much how society works nowdays. Being good at programming doesn't matter but good grades on a report card are enough to land you a job.

    • @doggo660
      @doggo660 4 роки тому +5

      @@vinos1629 i dont think good grades are necessary, just the degree and maybe a GPA of 3.0+.

    • @gamingtech276
      @gamingtech276 4 роки тому +24

      Watch entire video and totally miss the entire point.
      - your comment

    • @lukenukem8028
      @lukenukem8028 4 роки тому

      Skills matter, not the university napkin that says you have skills!

    • @fil8649
      @fil8649 4 роки тому +1

      ​@@vinos1629 Those grades won't land you a job if you don't know how to pass the grueling process that is the software engineer interview.

  • @mc.ferden
    @mc.ferden 6 років тому +134

    I'm from Russia. Got bachelor's degree of CS in june. Same thing here. University doesn't teach you at all except math and calculus. Glad I studied for free (yes, thank you, Russia).

    • @taneja_unchained
      @taneja_unchained 5 років тому +10

      What? Russia teaches you for free? as in they take you in university?

    • @hman2875
      @hman2875 5 років тому +9

      yep, it`s free for the most time lol.

    • @HerrWortel
      @HerrWortel 5 років тому +16

      Studying a master's in Germany... And it is free as well (yes, thank you, Germany).

    • @CombatFXZone
      @CombatFXZone 5 років тому +12

      I'm studying in Austria. Almost for free. (thank you Austria)

    • @heliamvs2035
      @heliamvs2035 4 роки тому +4

      I'm studying in the US and it is basically free for me because they gave me a ton of scholarships for working hard. (thank you USA)

  • @joshuam2263
    @joshuam2263 6 років тому +1

    I just love this channel...
    Honest, helpful and inspiring videos bundled with a nice film montage including awesome camera shots! Please keep up the good work!

  • @snom3ad
    @snom3ad 6 років тому +12

    Your content keeps getting better and better, great work! I'm exited to see more of your videos.

  • @YoruKaze88
    @YoruKaze88 6 років тому +29

    I went to college for game development, with a focus in game programming (aka object oriented programming). While most of the instructors had years and years of experience, we even had someone who helped develop the ability to produce 3D polys for the PS1, worked on the first naughty dog, and QuickTime, they still couldn't answer most of my questions. However they did have a passion about the subject, if it was a programming related question they would bounce ideas back and forth with me just as you would do with coworkers in a programming field. They didn't really teach us beyond the basics, but did give us guidance of things to look out for. They also helped us develope the tools to research and find possible solutions to the problem we faced, if all else failed there was always trail and error (which is my favorite way to learn anyway). Thanks to their way of teaching I was able to branch out while there and learned multiple languages and different ways to use each. I picked up robotics programming, graphical, object oriented, and even some assembly. But this was only true about my programming instructors, the teachers for other subjects were just there to grade assignments and provide a lecture that they often didn't understand themselves.
    I wanted to thank you, your channel and videos have helped me greatly since leaving college, it's allowed me to keep programming fresh in my mind and even pick up some new tricks. Since I'm not currently in a field of work where I can use the programming I've learned I depend on channels like yours and Linda.com to maintain my skills.

  • @Tristen871
    @Tristen871 5 років тому

    The quality of your videos is astounding! Keep it up.

  • @seekergx8096
    @seekergx8096 4 роки тому +2

    Please do more of these vlogs! I really like this format, you know what you're talking about and I want to hear it. Especially when it relates to industry level stuff, that is why a majority of us subscribed.

  • @lewisb8634
    @lewisb8634 6 років тому +2

    Absolutely fantastic, thanks for uploading as always! I'm in this exact situation now, in that I'm questioning whether to go or not. An apprenticeship seems much more useful, as you say experience is valued much more highly than a degree, but I'd love the chance to continue working on loads of projects with an excuse, and university is just 'what everyone does'. We have it drummed into us that university is just the next step and if you don't go, you're doing something wrong. Thanks again, really valuable advice :)

  • @omarshatani96
    @omarshatani96 6 років тому

    I really like your videos because they're reflecting what I'm living right now. I live in Italy and I'm in first year of University in computer science, and just as you said many teachers don't really know how conding and programming works. My Algorithm prof doesn't even know how to implement easy sorting functions in Python, even though he's been teaching for 15 years (at least). Finding your channel really helped me a lot. I wanna be a game developer, and now I know that there's a lot of work to do if I really want to enter in the industry. Thank you and keep up with the good work :)

  • @zonemyparkour
    @zonemyparkour 6 років тому +1

    Man I love you

  • @keineangabe3532
    @keineangabe3532 6 років тому +2

    I can really relate to what you said. At first I was a bit disappointed about most lectures because they didn't really teach me how to do things. But now I can really say that it helped me A LOT. I once had a assignment where you had to write software for hardware (Basically, a microcontroller project).
    What I did was building my own 3D printer from scratch with my own software. When I started I had no idea where and how to start so I had to look everything up.The University only gave me a very little restrictions on the project, but also very little information about how to do that specific project. So I had started reading about 3D printers watching videos on UA-cam and just trial and error. At the end I was really proud of what I did. I mean it wasn't the best software nor the best hardware solution but it worked and I really helped me forward in that field.
    Without my University I wouldn't have spend the time or money on this project but thanks to them I started doing it without any knowledge and now I'm really happy that I did it. University is really a great experience if you want to learn how to learn.

  • @dasp125
    @dasp125 6 років тому

    This is exactly what my Uni course is like. Thank you for clearing up some doubts I had about the course.

  • @DylanCurzon
    @DylanCurzon 6 років тому

    I'm half-way through the video and this is ridiculously good advice. It's a fantastic insight, thank you very much.

  • @justinbentleybse
    @justinbentleybse 5 років тому

    I 100% agree with that and I am in a seriously similar situation (except im still at uni), Great Video and thanks heaps you have no idea how much the OpenGL 3.3 series has helped me out :)

  • @MyBeebles
    @MyBeebles 6 років тому

    Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and knowledge! You are helping so many people I can't thank you enough :)

  • @h.hristov
    @h.hristov 6 років тому

    Thanks man. I am about to start my 3rd year at uni. I agree with everything you've said.

  • @bluehornet6752
    @bluehornet6752 5 років тому +1

    Good to hear your experience(s) with your CS program. I thought mine was the only woefully-inadequate CS program around. I suppose they are probably all like that, to some degree.
    That said, I think a university education saves you time. Instead of taking several years to "know what you don't know," the courses there pretty much tell you 1) what you don't know, and 2) what you should know. What you do with the information is ultimately up to you.
    But I went to get a CS degree as a second career after going through a doctorate-level program in another discipline, and I spent about 15 years doing that. Then I went back to get a CS degree, and found it to be quite unfulfilling. It did sort of show me what I didn't know to some degree, but even at that it was pretty marginal. It's all about teaching people how to use Visual Studio to (often superficially) write some VB, C# or (barely) C++ code...or to use Eclipse to write Java code. I do agree with your recommendation to get an internship while in school. I couldn't because I was still working in my old career field--but it sure would have been nice to do it back then.

  • @Sudoakado
    @Sudoakado 5 років тому

    Really enjoying your channel mate! I'm mature age have a Electrical Instrument background but studying CS and totally agree with your assessment. A lot of work to do regardless of Uni!

  • @calummcmanus3984
    @calummcmanus3984 5 років тому +1

    I agree with this for my bachelor's degree. We never had 2nd or 3rd year students, at most we had PH.D students as tutors but mainly around self learning. But my Masters Degree in high-performance graphics was very different, the stuff we covered can't be found online easily, no tutorials etc. So the lecturers/tutors are amazing and will answer any question and sit down 1 on 1 for hours to walk you through it. Really a bachelor's is just a base line requirement to show that you are capable of working hard and have the basic knowledge of a subject. Masters Degrees is where you really learn something.

  • @sawyerbergeron3288
    @sawyerbergeron3288 4 роки тому +1

    So far my experience as well. Best use of uni is just guided learning pacing, kind of giving a bit of framework to build out other knowledge. Best lecturers I've had have pushed me to work on experiences outside of uni rather than just upping the workload within class. Probably wouldn't have gone into open source for a lot longer if not for them.

  • @astaghfirullahalzimastaghf3648
    @astaghfirullahalzimastaghf3648 3 роки тому +21

    Man, you deserve my respect..
    "Lecturers doesn't know how the world work"
    Absolutely 💯% agree with that..
    Also..
    "We pay the university so that you can teach yourself"
    Yes, whoever who doesn't go the extra miles will go down..

  • @CleroPata
    @CleroPata 2 роки тому

    I love this type of vídeo man, so good to pass the time and learn at least a bit about life.

  • @abdosoliman
    @abdosoliman 4 роки тому +10

    I'm about to graduate in 2 months and this was exactly my experience except I Just had almost a coding project in every single course I took that was mandatory and they never told how to do anything really they always explain theoretical stuff behind the subject so we are not just copy-pasting code we actually understand what it does. But yeah man, they were pretty evil 😂😂😂 imagine being a junior in your second semester and had to make basically windows paint without having any idea about programming. I remember being the cool guy how made zoom in & out with a single variable and got bonus points for it 😂😂😂. *But as you said if it wasn't for these projects I wouldn't have learned anything It was difficult at first but honestly, you get used to it and it gives a lot of experience.*

  • @zengyinwang
    @zengyinwang 3 роки тому

    Thanks Cherno for this inspiring and instructional video. I graduated from Uni more than 20 years from China and moved to Australia recently. From my experience I will say uni education changed my life. If I didn’t go to Uni I think I am still living in a small county of central province of China and will don’t know how big the world. I will show your video to my son to let him know the importance of Uni. Thanks.

  • @toffeethedev
    @toffeethedev 3 роки тому +1

    You perfectly described my University experience too, though you're much nicer about it than I would be! It's easily going down as the biggest waste of money in my life, I learned more and made more progress on personal projects *while I had a full time job*. From experience, any single week in industry taught me more valuable practical lessons than my 3 stressful years in my terribly-managed University.

  • @charity4613
    @charity4613 3 роки тому +1

    consider making a podcast! I would love listening to it, you’re very clear and engaging when you speak

  • @LucianoCps9
    @LucianoCps9 6 років тому

    Your VLOGs are amazing !

  • @Cybeonix
    @Cybeonix 6 років тому

    Good advice.. self learning is key!

  • @cvbattum
    @cvbattum 4 роки тому +2

    I'm attending an art college to learn game programming, and I can say that it's mostly guided learning. They teach you the starting points, then throw you out there and expect a finished project eight weeks later. In the meantime though, the teachers are all still there to help you, give you more interesting ideas and keep you on track. It honestly is very helpful.

  • @kev_sen
    @kev_sen 6 років тому +1

    Hey Cherno! Your C++ series has been invaluable for someone like me who is self-learning. Your suggestion to read code-complete has definitely steered me in the right direction to grasp more knowledge and stay motivated. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.

    • @TheCherno
      @TheCherno  6 років тому

      Yep, Code Complete is A++

  • @whalingwithishmael7751
    @whalingwithishmael7751 3 роки тому

    Thanks for your experience and advice

  • @atilacorreia
    @atilacorreia 5 років тому +52

    "It works and it's fast, ship it"

    • @rohrbold
      @rohrbold 3 роки тому +2

      I was only aware of "it compiles, let's ship it" :-)

  • @jdsgotninelives
    @jdsgotninelives 6 років тому +32

    Yep, my Uni experience in a nutshell too.

    • @saifbamadhaf
      @saifbamadhaf 3 роки тому

      Does theCherno have a software engineering degree or computer science

  • @KhaledHassan98
    @KhaledHassan98 6 років тому

    I totally agree with you about the industry / academic career thing... :)

  • @hieudaongoc9767
    @hieudaongoc9767 3 роки тому

    This is so true. One more thing u will get from uni is the connections with prof, friends who might be colleagues and will help you a lot along the way.

  • @sebastianwardana1527
    @sebastianwardana1527 4 роки тому +1

    that actually sounds like an awesome universtiy that lets you breath in between your assignments... to even consieve of taking the extra risk, while having the deadline loom... you kinda have to apreaciate that on a deeper level...

  • @Berzeger
    @Berzeger 6 років тому

    Great video, thanks!

  • @elonmuskarabic
    @elonmuskarabic 5 років тому

    Honestly what I like about this video is you start off with *Uni* is important and then crush the hell out of the universities lol, but what you have forgotten to say, universities are more indexed and shows you the right track on how to teach your self the skills, but again as a self-taught programmer, I can tell you I got to learn the right way of learning my self the hard way and after 3 years of banging my head on every wall I face. Thanks for your awesome videos!

  • @jacquesy2520
    @jacquesy2520 6 років тому +4

    honestly, these vlogs are perhaps just as useful as your tutorials. We're learning stuff we need to know. Noice :3

  • @tonyhall1040
    @tonyhall1040 6 років тому

    You are the first person I have come across that thinks the same way about university.
    My experience with Comp Sci was approx 4 hours a week of tuition, the majority of which was math, followed by 40 hours a week of self guided learning.
    Incredible value for money -.-

  • @snowfrog8866
    @snowfrog8866 6 років тому

    Amazing video ! Very interesting.

  • @deus313
    @deus313 2 роки тому +1

    I dropped out of uni a 3 months ago. I got a great job in the industry a week after I dropped out. I learned more in the past three months than in 2 years of uni.

  • @mathiasgrosse395
    @mathiasgrosse395 4 роки тому +14

    Summary: university gets you stressed out and frustrated which is great if you want to self-learn.

  • @DavidMayfield27
    @DavidMayfield27 4 роки тому

    I finished my BSc in comp science bit over 20 years ago, and things were the same then, (I was a tutor too) what you get from university is they teach you how to learn and work things out for yourself, they give you the basics and the skills to teach yourself and research answers

  • @mmaranta785
    @mmaranta785 3 роки тому +3

    At the risk of the “well what about Steve Jobs?” blowback, I will say that the most important thing about college is you get a piece of paper that makes it easier for you to get a job. Your resume is important. Often, you will get hired based on the fact that you once worked for a well known company, or you were in the Army and the guy hiring you was too. Weird stuff like that.

  • @rubencanodiaz
    @rubencanodiaz 5 років тому

    Thanks for the advice, actually im in university, and think the books video courses help a lot, and learn more by there than university

  • @meh1672
    @meh1672 6 років тому

    I really like these vlogs! :D

  • @locallion1218
    @locallion1218 5 років тому

    Exactly my thoughts.

  • @Abhishek-qd2mc
    @Abhishek-qd2mc 6 років тому +5

    Make a video about your office and what technologies you use at EA to make games. Bdw, it was an awesome vlog. true words

    • @Andrei-rp3dz
      @Andrei-rp3dz 5 років тому +1

      I think he's under NDA so he can't

  • @shayarsenault6361
    @shayarsenault6361 6 років тому

    I got the code complete book you recommended! Thank you for recommending it it's great so far

    • @kai-xi2zh
      @kai-xi2zh 4 роки тому

      I know am late but what book?

    • @kai-xi2zh
      @kai-xi2zh 4 роки тому

      I know am late but what book?

  • @GeorgeArgyrousis
    @GeorgeArgyrousis 6 років тому

    Uni in general provides opportunities to learn some basic concepts but it's really up to you to go the extra mile and actually learn by experience. Mostly all of the lecturers are academics doing research or other courses at the same time so don't expect much help outside of the lecture room. There is roughly no real life experience that you will gain from uni but it's always good to have the degree to get into the industry and learn from them. If you want to make it outside uni I recommend searching jobs on LinkedIn and see what people want in terms of concepts, languages, frameworks etc.

  • @chalkchalkson5639
    @chalkchalkson5639 6 років тому +14

    Wow, uni works very different in australia compared to the german system :D
    I think computer science is a pretty special thing, because what you need in the real world is more "programming", while many unis like to teach the mathematics behind it, because that is where the bulk of the research is done.
    I think this difference is best described in comparison with physics vs engineering, both technically learn about the same stuff, but with very different focuses...
    Programming sure can be a tool to do research, but there is a reason why many computer science professors started their career as maths students.

    • @MsJavaWolf
      @MsJavaWolf 6 років тому +3

      I also went to a German university, I really liked it. It was mostly math, also actual science of computing like learning about turing machines, even programming turing machines on paper, stuff like that. But I feel that it gave me a very solid foundation.
      We also had programming classes, but it was expected of us to learn programming quickly. In my first semester I had only one course of learning languages, I learnt 2 languages and in order to even be allowed to take the exam, we had to program a 2D or 3D game. It was not like pong though, we created a tower defense game, which was fun and not that simple. There were several features, that the game had to provide, like changing the background of the game during gameplay, several levels of difficulty, parsing custom maps from a txt file, generating random levels, all the units had to have special attacks and everything had to follow the MVC pattern.
      After the basic courses I concentrated on machine learning and AI, I participated in competitions, I even built a poker bot which is able to beat professional poker players. It was great, sometimes I hated all the theory, because it was hard, we had exams where more than 60% of students would fail, but I think for me it was worth it and I don't regret we concentrated more on the theory.
      In a later semester we had a mandatory project, where we would go into a company or help researchers developing a software. I went to a medical department, and we were optimizing the speed of algorithms for protein folding.
      I am also very happy, that we learnt about hardware, helps a lot when I try to optimize programs. I specialized more on machine learning though, but if I wanted there were even courses where you would actually built a system from nothing but wires and transistors, actually soldering stuff together.

    • @GurkenbrotLetsPlay
      @GurkenbrotLetsPlay 4 роки тому +1

      @@MsJavaWolf Ur telling me u had to programm this complete tower defense game from scratch durring ur first semester ?

    • @MsJavaWolf
      @MsJavaWolf 4 роки тому +1

      @@GurkenbrotLetsPlay Yes, but in a team of 3.

  • @arturoordonez-hernandez1534
    @arturoordonez-hernandez1534 6 років тому

    The way I like to describe it is that a University education provides a foundational overview of (mostly) whatever it is you decide to major in. From there, it's important to take on projects related to things that interest you.

  • @niektuytel9519
    @niektuytel9519 4 роки тому

    i am doing self learning at home, it sounds nice but a few thinks that is the bad side off it.
    - you need to been focus on learning things and need to come with new ideas (self planning)
    - you get mostly no free time i mean i love to do it but you always thinking you know not much and than you learning day and night :P
    - and the mostly what i miss is the social contacts and friend you get from school
    that is all i personally like this only the last one i get hardtime with
    gr Okido

  • @erik9817
    @erik9817 3 роки тому +4

    I'm studying comp sci and and like that we're introduced to topics that I otherwise wouldn't know existed, for example logic, linear algebra, numerical methods and algorithms and data structures. I feel like university is giving a good orientation. Funny thing, the more advanced stuff I learn the more I think "it would be a shame not to use this knowledge" and so my target for a demo app is constantly moving, any one else has this problem?

    • @saifbamadhaf
      @saifbamadhaf 3 роки тому

      What did thecherno take as a degree computer science or software engineering

  • @spacetime_wanderer
    @spacetime_wanderer 5 років тому

    Spot on!

  • @benediktornhjaltason7948
    @benediktornhjaltason7948 4 роки тому

    Yes, you are partially paying to teach yourself ,in a way, but you are doing it while having the time (less or no other work) to do it full time with your main energy reserves, in an environment of lecturers and teachers (of course they give you a lot), fellow students with the same interest as you (collaboration and team experience is great), and DEADLINES. The pressures of deadlines and exams is a fantastic way of pushing through barriers.
    I could never have learned as much as I have in the past 1,5 years, following tutorials in my spare time after my full time job has taken it's cut. I tried it.
    But as he says, don't expect to be given everything. Give it a 110%.

  • @h.hristov
    @h.hristov 6 років тому

    Oh btw, I love the music you put in your videos. Is it available anywhere? Any song names? :)

  • @lewisnorth1188
    @lewisnorth1188 4 роки тому

    I'm in uni now and the best thing I've got so far is the maths and geometry I've been taught. Getting the chance to practice programming with labs and tasks is useful, but I'd have no idea really about 3D maths and geometry and how important it was if I didn't do this.

  • @cseforlife
    @cseforlife Рік тому +1

    I don't know if I should be happy or sad to see that you had the same experience that I am having right now. Because am glad that I am not, the only one, suffering because of my location or uni. it's everywhere. Now, it's confirmed that the whole education system is messed up. I got introduced to many things because of my uni but I hate how much I have wasted my time at uni. no doubt I would have been a lot better software developer by now if I had self-taught from the beginning not went to uni.

  • @fredlepasgrand
    @fredlepasgrand 6 років тому

    I have a job as an Analyst programmer, mostly doing .Net, and I never took a single university class in programming and computer science. I discovered programming late during a previous career and If I could go back, I would definitely study programming in university.

  • @coolbrotherf127
    @coolbrotherf127 Рік тому

    I'm attending a STEM research focused University for CS currently. Because it's near a large engineering center and a military weapons research base there are lots of jobs for STEM focused programming jobs to go around, but they have some pretty high standards for new employees. In an environment like that, low level programming skills are much more important than high level.

  • @williamireland2285
    @williamireland2285 6 років тому

    These are so good

  • @_sevelin
    @_sevelin 4 роки тому +4

    This is the most accurate description of how university works.

  • @ma77bc
    @ma77bc 6 років тому

    Very well said. If I could like this video more than once, I would.

  • @cern1999sb
    @cern1999sb 4 роки тому

    I think there are a lot of things that you may not be taught in a job, that you would be taught in university, but likewise there are also a lot of things that you don't learn in university that you would learn in a job, and most of the time it's complementary knowledge. I would recommend going to uni, but I'd also recommend getting a lot of industry experience before you finish. (Of course, quality of university course can and will vary)

  • @boku00
    @boku00 6 років тому +58

    Please make the video on the EA thing. Thanks so much.

    • @k.alipardhan6957
      @k.alipardhan6957 6 років тому

      what EA thing?

    • @harshtiwari9588
      @harshtiwari9588 6 років тому +1

      He can't he work in that company.

    • @boku00
      @boku00 4 роки тому

      @@arthur_camara yes! amazed that I got a reply on this comment because of that haha

  • @NotQuiteMelvin
    @NotQuiteMelvin 6 років тому

    My university has a degree where each year you have to work on a pretty large group project (whatever you want) following agile principles, implementing tests etc. In 3rd year we get an entire year off do to a paid work placement, and the whole degree is restricted so only people who have coded before and pass the interview can join it. I think it's awesome since everyone has the same mindset, everyone is self learning instead of just following the course, and most of us are tutors for the 1st years. Kinda sad that they canceled the course due to it not making enough money for the university because of the low numbers (10 people in my course). We still get to finish the course, but there will no longer be any more new students

  • @oreonengine9444
    @oreonengine9444 6 років тому +20

    university teaches you to improve yourself by your own. It teaches you individual responsibility which one won't learn in high school. In fact you have to go through hard exams and some topics you are not intersted in, BUT at the end you will benefit of it and recognize that it was worth it. Even if there some very theoretical topics, especially in computer science studies, far far away from practical life (at the first glance), when the time goes by you will see the theory was necessary to apply practical things

    • @SaidMetiche-qy9hb
      @SaidMetiche-qy9hb 6 років тому +5

      i don't agree

    • @Andrei-rp3dz
      @Andrei-rp3dz 5 років тому +6

      Well have at it if you want to be 200k in debt to be taught something your parents could've taught you. Responsibility doesn't justify the price. Let's face it you're only paying for a piece of paper not the skill.

  • @gabriellgardin
    @gabriellgardin 4 роки тому

    I'm almost finishing bachelor's degree on chemistry, but in my whole course I participated on projects on chemistry instrumentation, where I learned quite a few things on electronics and programming, and that's what I love. What I cannot decided is if I should or not get a second degree on electrical engineer or software. So many doubts...

  • @PetrosTotskas
    @PetrosTotskas 5 років тому

    This helped! Thank you!
    ~Biox

  • @NotQuiteMelvin
    @NotQuiteMelvin 6 років тому

    If you're reading this and you live in Ireland, come to DCU it's pretty great

  • @gengar807
    @gengar807 6 років тому

    I just ordered code complete on amazon. woot woot

  • @davidsalleyezonme1283
    @davidsalleyezonme1283 6 років тому

    Thanks!!!

  • @BossBeneBaby
    @BossBeneBaby 6 років тому

    I study Computergraphics(Computervisualistics) in Germany and you perectly described how uni works and what you have to excpect from it and what not :)

  • @madezra64
    @madezra64 4 роки тому

    Going to college is almost NEVER a bad option. Opportunity and networking is a big part of getting into the industry and going to a school that has a good Computer Science program puts you in a great starting position, BUT that doesn't mean you HAVE too. If you are super self motivated and can learn on your own and capable of building a respectable resume and portfolio, you can start right into applying for entry level positions. If you find a good entry level position you will be taught and trained for what the job will be like, so you'll start getting on-the-job experience and now well on your way to becoming a full time, successful programmer. Just do it. That's it. Just like anything else in life, if you wanna do it then just do it. I'm 27 and jumping ship from Network Administration to C++ full time for video games. I wanna go a different direction now and videos like this motivate me and push me forward to help achieve my goals. It's a long road ahead but I'm EXCITED to learn and do this so I am confident in myself now to finally do this. All my life I have wanted to be a programmer and now that I am older and more mature I realize I am capable of doing this.

  • @scewps
    @scewps 6 років тому

    20 min vlogs pls!
    Jk, good video! I really like your new style.

  • @joshuacanfield569
    @joshuacanfield569 3 роки тому

    For tutors, my uni employed PHD students whose PHDs were in the field of study for the unit in question, hence they knew their stuff; this was awesome. What I thought sucked, is that a pass in coursework was far too easy to obtain, while extra points above 60% took disproportionatlely more time to get. In trying to obtain the best overall grades, you were better off spending that time on exam study. I didn't spend the extra time on exam study, because I enjoyed doing higher quality coursework; this had a negative overall effect on my grade average. Also, the coursework assignments should have been worth a higher overall percentage of the unit grades in my opinion.

  •  2 роки тому

    11:35 the best analysis about university i heard on the internet :D

  • @MrSkivet
    @MrSkivet 6 років тому

    I'm currently debating going to university right now, and this video couldn't have been made at a better time. Thanks! My problem with Uni is the cost of it all... I really don't feel like it's worth the cost, even if it takes me longer to learn everything. What do you think about this?

  • @diveguy4291
    @diveguy4291 5 років тому

    I enrolled in a university computing course a tad late in life at the age of 29, It was a two year course that I was told was equivalent in value to the first year of a bachelor's degree in Computer Science. My experince was similar in that it was very much here's your assignment, here's the basics, go learn how to do it, go a little further to get distinction, I stuck it out and scraped through to a pass and had the option of topping up to a diploma and ultimately a degree, unfortunately I decided I was a bit burnt out after the first two years and left it there. I'm now finding myself with more energy and considering topping it up, but in my mid thirties I'm wandering if I'm too old to get a job in tech at the end of it having no experience behind me?

  • @necrondow_
    @necrondow_ 6 років тому

    I wouldn't say that University is bad, it certainly useful and also provides a lot of opportunities outside of the curriculum to make connections and work with talented individuals on other projects to build your portfolio. However, it certainly isn't what a lot of people expect it to be.
    My experience of University as an Undergrad was that a lot of the time you weren't allowed the freedom to apply the practices a module was looking for to anything other than the example or specification provided in the assignment brief. You were simply allowed to elaborate and expand the concepts discussed in lectures and include them as additions or improvements to the specified example. Whilst this simplified the marking process, it resulted in a serious lack of variation in assignments and opportunities to tackle unique programming challenges. Ultimately, if you're looking for an opportunity to work on interesting and unique projects which will challenge you, then you have to speak to academics and other students about those opportunities and really get involved. Otherwise you're just going to leave with the same degree as everyone else (give/take a few grade boundaries) and nothing to define yourself with.
    If I had to boil the main benefits of university down, they would be:
    - Your degree specification is a ticket for a job interview.
    - You meet new people and exchange ideas/practices with a cohort who share similar interests.
    - Opportunities to get involved with research projects with new development challenges.
    - Opportunities to work as a team to develop something.
    - Required to progress onto an MSc which can help with a future job in academia (though not mandatory).
    That's really it, from my point of view. I am now studying my MSc by Research which is a completely different (and better) experience than that of my undergrad degree, so that has probably been one of the best outcomes of my BSc thus far.

  • @OnzeQubit
    @OnzeQubit 2 роки тому +1

    I'm in Uni right now and pretty much teaching myself all the time. its really a terrible experience and not quite what I expected.

  • @rajufelix3070
    @rajufelix3070 5 років тому

    Thanks

  • @HaeriStudios
    @HaeriStudios 6 років тому +1

    Can confirm. Had exactly the same experience with my Uni. Personally, I learned to program nearly exclusively from personal projects. Uni is just an excuse to spend the time in those projects since you are "doing Uni stuff".

    • @SventyHD
      @SventyHD 6 років тому

      One poin tin University tho is, that they give u access to books, knowledge etc. and in some lectures with smart profs. u do actually learn something, especially if they worked in the industry before

  • @nikoszervo
    @nikoszervo 6 років тому +8

    I'm a 3rd year university student (Electronic And Computer Engineer) and it took me 3 years to understand everything you just said :p First year, i was so depressed thinking that i might not be smart enough for this knowledge.

    • @Josh350
      @Josh350 6 років тому

      Νίκος Μπαμπαλιάρης Those programs are teach yourself programs.

  • @jordixboy
    @jordixboy 2 роки тому

    I dont agree that it's necesary, as you said, you can learn everything on your own, from maths, to building your own game engine. But one thing I do agree, the university give you the excuse to spend a lot of time on coding/learning and also give you the pressure to do so to approve the exams. Spending on your own 4-5h daily coding/learning without pressure is not for everyone.

  • @quoctran8676
    @quoctran8676 5 років тому

    great Cherno

  • @devaleenabasu5868
    @devaleenabasu5868 4 роки тому

    An enargizing and enhancing serize with different aroma,thanking you,.........Chitra Basu,Kolkata.......

  • @KhairulAnwar-mp8lo
    @KhairulAnwar-mp8lo 4 роки тому

    Don't forget to make a video about how you got into EA =)

  • @dirkbasendigros
    @dirkbasendigros 3 роки тому

    Good content! Did you set your white balance? Looks like its on auto and it trows me off a bit haha

  • @nilaysharma4040
    @nilaysharma4040 6 років тому

    So true...

  • @cumuIonimbus
    @cumuIonimbus Рік тому

    In my university, we had 2 learning sessions (1hr 20min) _or_ _less_ per week per subject. Starting from 2nd semester of sophomore year we often had like 4 hours of learning per week in total.... This was awful. To this day I don't understand why they spent so much on new useless buildings and not on teachers' salaries. Or maybe they did pay high salaries, but for some stupid reason decided that less than 3 hours of teaching time per week is totally fine for a full-time job?.. Please note that every single submitted task was checked by teachers' assistants, who were just older students, who got a small discount to their tuition fees 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂ This institution gave me everything except for sufficient time spent with teachers, which is the most important thing that universities should give their students, imo. In highschool that I was attending before university, one teacher could spend 6 hours on a single group of students per week (and had 2 of them) while also checking all the submitted tasks on their own _and_ _also_ managing a country-level annual mathematical competition. And all that for less than 5% of university fees. F***ing cringe...

  •  6 років тому

    Hi Cherno. Your link for audible in description is srewed up by UA-cam... It counts "):" into a link ;) Also I want to thank you for your videos. I already looking foreward to new video about how to write class properly.

  • @andrewfielden284
    @andrewfielden284 4 роки тому

    You've got to ask, what is the purpose of University. If it's to prepare you for your eventual working life (software development in my case), it failed. Looking back it would have been far more useful for me to get industry experience. However getting that piece of paper (degree certificate) is a passport into your career.

  • @bigmamatristana677
    @bigmamatristana677 5 років тому

    Things are a little different in the US, we have to do general ed first and then start out major.

  • @a7a7ron
    @a7a7ron 6 років тому

    Thanks god, I thought I'm the only one. Same problems in germany! Now that I think about it, you were studying in germany as well, iirc.

  • @tyru2
    @tyru2 6 років тому

    Yes, you have to go this will get you a good job.