Vegan Twin Study: Good Science or Propaganda?
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2024
- Today, we're zooming in on a study that comes from Stanford University and was recently published in JAMA Network Open.
The researchers put a vegan diet head-to-head with an omnivorous diet in twenty-two pairs of identical twins. The buzz around this study has been immense, sparking conversations everywhere-from social media to professional circles. Adding to the excitement, this research forms the basis of a new Netflix documentary called "You Are What You Eat: A Twin Experiment."
In this episode of The Doctor’s Farmacy, I discuss the many conflicts of interest, funding sources, and hidden agendas that were not fully disclosed but could have had a major hand in clouding the study's conclusions and real-world applications.
In this episode, we’ll also dive into:
* Why nutrition research is so confusing
* Overview of the Stanford study design and findings
* Issues with the study design
* Conflicts of interest and ethical considerations with this study
* Other research on vegan diets
* What the Netflix documentary got right and wrong
* How to eat for your health and the environment
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I was hoping for some sort of conclusion.
Depending who funded the study.
Funding is a big red flag, but funding by itself doesn’t necessarily discredit research. It’s when the funding interferes with the methods of the research.
@@LevelUpWellness REALLY
@@jamesdean-zz5lv Yeah? I’m not sure if your response is sarcastic or not lol 😂
Most positive studies on beef and dairy are funded by the beef and dairy industry. They pay for studies to muddy the waters so people can say we don't know if something is bad or not. They want you to eat more beef and drink more milk. The healthiest diets are ones higher in whole plant foods.
@@LevelUpWellnessALL I'm saying is the FDA has been caught accepting (funds) to allow certain substances to pass regulations from their own testing, usually from big Pharma
The best diet is the diet in which people live the longest,healthiest& happiest life.& by diet I'm also referring to lifestyle & mentality not just food.& that diet has shown to be the way of life in the blue zones.
The blue zone diet is a myth.
I stopped watching the Netflix show when I got grossed out about the hog farms. And I'm tired of people saying that cow farts are killing the planet.
To follow any special diet, one would have to be more aware and vigilant about what they’re putting in their body. This alone makes the outcome comparison of a vegan to an omnivore who may not be preoccupied with their diet very iffy.
Kind of like the 7 country study done by Ancel Keyes in the 60's against fat. Which catapulted fat free bs.
You know it didn't, right?
Or better yet, tell me you know nothing about how a study is conducted without telling me you know nothing about how a study is conducted...
If you think the Fat Free craze never happened…you have to be less than 40 years old. Or live in a cave 🕳️
@@bazileia9222 What we know is that when the fat free diet advice in 80s came, health went downhill.
@@ghostviggen correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. Present evidence for your claims.
@@bazileia9222 youtube doesn't like posting links. But it's plenty of evidence out there that we are less healthy today with a diet that most calories comes from processed plants.
But you can Google low cholesteroli
in relationship to violent suicides. Even depression is linked to low cholesterol.
This short clip says virtually nothing. It glazes over the Netflix documentary and quickly switches to this weird vague anecdotal generalization about how associative studies can be wrong and not show anything. Is this supposed to simply be propagating us to doubt the show (and a vegan diet). Does Dr. Hyman have vested interested in the meat industry, even if it’s grass fed? 😊
So let me get this straight, if a doctor doesn't support veganism they have a vested interest in the meat industry. Until very recently, the vast majority of doctors and scientists and major health organizations didn't support the idea of people adopting plant based diets and excluding all animal products, but now since there is this agenda...ok?
@@MB19ap If there was evidence, why was the short clip (which this comments thread is relating to) is so vague, otherwise it’d refer to a study?
@enabl3r maybe because it's a short and it's part of a longer video it's right on the screen you can click it to watch the whole video it's over an hour long.
The Netflix documentary was based on a randomised controlled study. The doc in this video talks about population studies in general, and concludes that "it's not so simple". Since the video is posted by himself, it seems like he's deliberately trying to mislead people that the results of the randomised controlled study aren't accurate...he definitely has a vested interest in proving the Netflix documentary as wrong 😅
@@vamsiramineedi6296 He’s trying to cast doubt on the documentary, it has a very politically-motivated feel to the clip. Sadly, another X on someone who used to be a reputable source of info and now they have their hand in some kind of jar. Not sure who’s but it ain’t the OG Dr. Mark H.
No, you can’t. I learned that very clearly in 2021-2022.
That study is a show on Netflix...its totally biased toward plant based
No, it is what it is. You are delusional. Who is the one here being bias on plant based food?
Wow, sure, attach poor person, who is actually right. There was no strict calorie matching between both, that's all what you need to know to ignore this "study". @@Libb-oleffub
@MariuszChr, what do calorie restrictions have to do with the outcomes they were provided after this study, care to elaborate?
@@bazileia9222 when you eat less, then you are smaller. Usually.
@@MariuszChr so where did you get that they had disproportionate calories intake between the groups, can you present evidence of that from the study?
At this point even if we dont look at studies you can do some simple math and figure out whats better for the planet…
Exactly, animal agriculture is the second culprit for climate change and a great polluter...
look under this guy's eyes!!
next!! lol
We’re omnivores. That’s pretty much the only fact one needs to pay attention too. Bulletproof evidence that it’s perfectly healthy for humans to consume various meats.
Think again. Don’t you wonder about the power of the meat industry? The dairy industry? The egg industry? These corporations yield vast power over our elected representatives and our government. They invest millions in advertising and marketing to convince you to buy their products. Who represents the other side? Have you ever seen a commercial advertising broccoli? What about a commercial advertising legumes (beans)? You will never see anything like that because those are natural foods. There’s no money in advertising natural foods. The money is in advertising products that are not natural and are actually bad for you, in order to convince you to buy them.
So next time you hear of a study, ask who paid for the study? Who do the scientists work for? The chicken company or a university professor? Who has more money?
I don’t know what your age is but in case you missed it, look up Oprah Winfrey lawsuit against her by the Cattlemen’s association after she said on live television ( her show) that she will never eat another burger again. This was after having a former cattle rancher Howard Lyman in her show and admit to all the things that they do and he broke down on the air and cried about his regret.
If she didn’t have all that money, what do you think would happen if it was you or me? They took her to court and the whole thing lasted 5 years. We would have been bankrupt trying to defend ourselves. They took on one of the most powerful people in this country, and they didn’t care.
Why don't studies include land race and blood type, the answers to everything are about our ancestors!
I was thinking the same thing ..these are definitely things that shoupd be factored in
No , the answer is that all animal products are polluting your blood and organs and causing inflammation and autoimmune diseases and stroke and osteoporosis and cancers and arthritis and diabetes and obesity and heart disease. We are meant to be vegans, just like all primates. We started to eat animal products to survive winters, that’s no longer required. So we can eat healthy whole year round. Carnivore dieters are imitating bears just before their hibernation.
What does that have to do with anything when our ancestors never had the life span that we have?
They have. You simply haven’t seen them because there’s no money in it. Read the book “How Not To Die” by Dr Michael Greger.
Sounds like nonsense to start with the world’s population doesn’t have a choice mostly when it comes to diet as 24 percent are living in poverty
2/3 of the world is living in poverty? Where did you get your stats from?
@@vamsiramineedi6296 typo 24 percent look it up
biggest mistake: the question. ... Asking, "what is he optimal diet for us humans" is stupid, because we are opportunistic omnivores, maybe with a tendency to eat meat. However, that question assumes that ALL humans have been the SAME across EONS. More stupid is barely possible
Oh whoa, you got too complicated there for a while, and then never said the results of the trial.
Interesting ❤
So…what was the result of the study
The vegan group had better results in their blood works.
The vegan group had better blood work result than the omni group.
Definitely not simple
But it is a fact that we can thrive on only whole food plant based and that animal abuse is unacceptable. So why even defending a carnivore nonsense propaganda diet?
Because, most probably, he makes money from it.
Nonsense. Just nonsense.
No we can't. The human body needs saturated animal fats and amino acids
@zazaiwon87 we do not need high amounts of saturated fats, since those are linked to cardiovascular diseases, but in moderation there are plenty of saturated fats in nuts and seeds. Same with amino acids... you seem to be a bit confused about those. All plant foods contain various amounts of amino acids and protein.
It's not a fact that animal abuse is unacceptable. That's a moral judgement, not a fact.
And?
How can you randomize twins they come in pairs if youre comparing pairs against. Each other you cant randomize the people in the study.
We were herbivores b4 we were omnivores!
Says who?
So yes, we’re omnivores.
Homo Sapiens were never herbivores.
Who are bigger quacks ...functional medical "doctors" or chiropracters? It's always amusing when they pretend to understand or care about science
It’s scary we are in an age of denying science. It’s a pretty simple idea that eating more plants benefits overall mortality and is better for the planet. We are trying desperately to find something to hang onto with all these horrible animal studies.
Omnivore in this study is very loose and doesn't insist on clean diet.
That is factually wrong. The study was made for what is considered a clean and healthy omnivore diet, but by all means you can present evidence for the claim you've made.
Picks a randomised controlled study and explains about population studies and concludes that "it's not so simple"😂
Correlation is often causation, but be aware that things can be correlated by chance.
That is the rhe original paraphrased quote, not the other way around.
In case of medicine this can be strengthened by the Bradford Hill criteria.
Lvciddd
Definitely propaganda
Ya talk too much
Get to it!
Science like physics and chemistry and biology have proven universally, generalizable measurements and methods that can be used to draw distinct and clear conclusions. This does not mean that all measurements and methods are "effective" at drawing out distinct, clear and universally, applicable conclusions. Some methods have "models" of what they do, and are reliably and repeatedly effective at what they do. Other measurements, though reliable, are incomplete at generating reliable conclusions, because they exist within a framework that has too many other variables. Health is such a measure.
Unlike physical measurements in physics and chemistry there are no "universal laws" aiding biologists in their search for mathematical models of health. Health is not like gravity. Health not only includes external factors like diet, environment, and exercise it also includes internal factors like genetics, metabolism, the nervous system, disease and so forth.
Although homeostasis is a is a fine definition it cannot be measured by one test. Biological, pharmaceutical and genetic studies have, as yet, to find the common correlates needed to hone in on the most telling indicators of general health. Right now there are too many specialized tests needed to find even the cause of people's ailments. Some forms of psoriasis are hard to find cures for because they can't even find the cause. They just treat the symptoms.
Without the causal links biology is far more complex a science than physics and chemistry. Studies that show causal correlates in some are far from finding causation for all. Gott keep trying.
But still people in blue zones have the longer life span, I wonder why?
This doctor is no authority on nutrition or health. He’s a family doctor and most medical schools offer no nutrition classes. Those that do, mainly offer a limited number of hours like 20 hours of nutrition classes. An expert in nutrition should have at least a master’s degree or a doctorates. This guy throws this out there as if to indicate that the whole thing is biased or lacks credibility. Who lacks credibility is this guy who put this short video on here for 30 seconds of fame.
This study was bs and veganism is bs. Next topic pls
rambling on an says nothing. Omni diets lead to longest lifespan is what studies show. Was that so difficult ?
No, that is not true, otherwise explain blue zones where people are eating primarily a whole food plant based diet.
@@bazileia9222 No, completely False. People in those blue zones are OMNI. A lot of Pork and fish like the blue zones in Greece, Italy and Japan. You should look up the diets of the people of the blue zones.
@chiclett are you sure about that? show me a number of how much they eat animal products, the quantity per year...
@@bazileia9222 I can only talk about Sardinia , an area I am familiar with. Look up this video and read the comments by Sardinians. "Blue Zone Diet Debunked: Milk, Cheese, Meat & Fish Are Staple Foods"
@@bazileia9222 look up "Blue zone diet debunked" I would put links to research, but youtube does not allow any links.