Oh my god, this was a cultural touch stone, how could this have been a time limited debate ? It should have lasted until they ran out of things to say or collapsed from fatigue
It's such a breath of fresh air to know these guys exist. I come over, and over to this video, just to confirm that there's still hope for us in the future
+Blake Siefken Big brother (God?) Vage and verry big image, untuchable andso...i had that feeling to...but also some kind of feeling that says...he's not getting back. Thats feels so sickening.
But who else would you use to suggest an open and free society. Ask anyone about Orwell's 1984 and they either dont recognise the name or remind you of someone remembering a terrible event in their lives
@@hallo4966 I really doubt these suspicions. First of all, it seems pretty clear to me that a guy who perpetually points out that 'enjoyment hurts' would ever fall prey to drug dependency. But even if that's just a front, no one remains charming and funny for as long as Zizek has if they're hooked on coke.
@Something Else So basically you’re saying that the very notion of "change" is a false one, in the sense that all possibilities of actual societal changes are considered by the ruling class (elite, caste whatever) and as such, pre-controlled and influenced?
Everything depends on this: that we connect our PROGRESSIVE European struggles with equally PROGRESSIVE struggles from the Middle East. The silent treatment of every criticism of Islam as Islamophobia is catastrophic for both Europe/The West and the Middle East itself. - Slavoj Zizek [paraphrased]
Really love that Yanis has recently started to take up the baton from Tony Benn in quoting him a lot. From one generation to the next, that's the struggle. There's no final victory and there's no final defeat - that's what Tony always taught.
1:45:20 and especially "There is no evidence that this hope is justified but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that without this hope we succumb to the fear of fear and the terrorists in whatever form they take will triumph against humanism" is such a powerful point.
LOL Zizek trying desperately to keep those goddamn papers from falling, but as soon he leaves them he starts shaking and papers start slipping down again
I liked what Yanis Varoufakis said about the EU That in its current undemocratic state it is simply a cartell for rich capitalists who have used it to destroy competition in European nations, it's an economic monopoly. Also that the EU has a deep contempt for democracy. Democracy for the people who run the EU is simply a process of elections that are used to validate their power to make decisions independent of the people. The EU is damaging democracy and economic prosperity across Europe.
+Fahed Nabbout i am also trying to translate it to another language. Do you know the easier way to do it? I heard there is an option where they can activate "community contribution" and from there on you can add subtitles to the video, instead of downloading the whole thing and uploading again
so did you find a way? i want to translate to portuguese. Maybe if you translate it to Arabic and activate the community feature i can then translate to portuguese? cheers
+Fahed Nabbout Please do it; whatever you can do besides 'sharing on social media' do it! We need to get the world out. As you can tell I'm African and I'm looking into ways of disseminating the incredible knowledge! Godspeed my friend!
what a wonderful, witty, enlightened and intellectually brilliant panel! a complete delight in the current darkness of grunting, clubwielding troglodytes.
I love how well read and Spoken Assange is. He seems as philosophicqlly and intrllectually engaged as zizek here. With this, it would b rlly cool to see the points of contention between zizek and assange (which in my eyes seemed to be on a kind of different plane than Yanis as they were slightly more influenced by discussions of Ideology with a capital I)
Why should I be to blame for Europe's actions if I never even voted for any of the leaders of my European country? I have hated all these leaders and their actions since I can remember. I also hated other European leaders who meddle in the Middle East. Everyone I know is also against the meddling in the Middle East, it would appear rather inappropriate to see these people blamed too.
+Belze Buddha Yes, but they just LOVE fooling the Serfs into swallowing that bullshit about getting the government we "deserve". Are the passengers on a bus "responsible" when the driver smashes into a wall? And even the hypothetical passengers of that hypothetical bus have more control over their fate than we do. No, all we can do is watch entertaining distractions like these Fancy Explainers (in the video above), who are adept at not pissing off their masters, share their recycled half-truths. Julian, isn't it an amazing coincidence that after all these years of Wikileaks, not a single person with Real Power has been fired or even disgraced via your trove of top-secrets? Why, it's almost as though the whole thing is being carefully stage-managed....!
+youngfool3000 Sorry, kid. That's (forgiveable) bullshit. You don't know how the game runs. NO decision of any importance to the Corporate Masters is allowed in the hands of Duh Masses. *Ever*. The problem is, most of what the average person thinks they "know" about The System... was fed to them by (drum roll)... The System... (via various proxies of The System, including school, media and your parents). If you were raised in a wealthy Mafia family, for example, what, as a child, could you expect to know or believe about "The Mafia"? Either nothing about the Mafia or good things about The Mafia. Your understanding of the Empire you were born in (either near its center or on the outskirts of it) is analogous to that.
+Antonio Brandao If you don't vote, you don't get to say that you oppose the powers that be. The vote which you did not cast is mathematically a plus for them. As you did not vote, the total number of votes cast is smaller, and thus the result of the election is less representative, and the powers that be thus need fewer votes in order to win the election. Therefore, you should always vote, even if you would be the only one voting for the party that you voted for. If you don't like any party, you should start your own party, you have every legal right to do so and it has never been easier, and more feasible in human history to start a grassroots movement that actually wins an election, with the advent of the internet, and the resulting decentralization of the spread of information, and the media. The greatest blessing for the powers that be is people that don't vote. Being lulled into apathy by the media telling you that X party that you hate that always wins is definitely going to win and that there is no hope for anything else, is exactly what they want you to think and do. This is why Bernie Sanders in the US and other similar possible reformers of the plutocratic system are always displayed as "fringe candidates that will never win" or silenced into oblivion. When it comes to politics, you should never believe what you are told. Public relations experts (formerly called propagandists) prepare every political statement and narrative you see all around you, and you not voting is a result of this media's formation of your political ideas, the media says: rebels don't vote, it's lame to vote, because x happened people are definitely going to vote for x, it's pointless to vote. So you don't vote. And the house always wins.
+Antonio Brandao You are as much guilty of it, as many of my fellow countrymen under Hitlers regime were, when they looked the other way instead of revolting in the streets.
This talk is soo good but also incredibly depressing when you realize that both the global political system and the masses of nonreflective conformists are never going to change.
Deutsch?I wouldnt say that go to most of the non western countries everybody is a human that can think creative and intelligently, the german system makes you think that the majority is stupid, thats not true!(and Menschenverachtend and part of the Propaganda)
+Allzumenschliches44 Don't give up man - it's gonna be like the Titanic; if, and this ship may sink- we'll go down with our violins and viola's humming!
+Paul Maciejowski really? in India for example there's still millions of ppl who are basically slaves. show me there are whose creative & progressive countries outside of west? and lets not even start about midd-east or africa.. world is depressive and random place
for non european audience, especially anglo-saxon audience. I'm French and I consider that I know pretty well the culture/history and current collective psychology of the following countries : - Spain and Portugal because my mom used to teach spanish for decades and we often spent our vacations there, and my father had businesses in Portugal - Germany and Austria because I learned the langage with great pleasure at school and was always interested in this cultural area for intellectual and sentimental reasons (Music, philosophy, the lips of the first girl I kissed during a student travel in Lüneburg...) - I don't know Italia as well as Spain, but we all know in France than Italian people, at least from the North, are like very close cousins I can tell you that what Yanis says about the creation of the Euro is COMPLETLY true ! Each country chose to join the single currency for "nationalist" reasons that have more to do with national historical neuroses than with a rational economic analysis or the real conviction that a brand new European individual could rise from the merging of numerous national cultures. The no-border, postnational ideology dominating the boomers generation just gave a apparent rationale.
I want to offer these men the most extraordinary and confounding of embraces. I feel such an astounding feeling of knowing and concilience in the thoughts of these 3 three that it creates in my mind a sense of hope and determination which only appears when the belief in social concilience rears its head and shows itself as a possibility. I am filled with with a peace and a fiery desire to enact change when I hear such thoughts and feelings expressed so clearly and well articulated; such a feeling of grace it creates that I am urged to engage and pressed so passionately to provoke and to feel with my fellow man. I'm happy that such a debate is not only possible, but encouraged, and supported
Wow. What if we'd have the chance in our average lives to speak EVERYDAY about these issues with other people. In bars, cafes, suks, wherever... Just by speaking, we would change the world.
I feel guilty watching Julian....we've not done enough to save him from the dark forces within our government...and the USA of course . He's a sensitive. thoughtful man. He's a hero too. why cant we all step in to protect this beautiful geezer ?
35:19 As a German, I can agree with this. A country who lives in the past "to never forget", but never learned its lesson, because 2020 and 2021 clearly shows how obedient Germans are. The kind of obedience that does everything without questioning, no matter how unreasonable and questionable the task might be. And if the winds change, they will flip...again. That's the nature of weak people.
@@pagu9009 Taking away your freedom, censoring critics, silencing people by labeling them and getting them fired and their live destroyed, policemen who see violence for minor things as legit, people who follow and don't ask questions and even do the dirty deeds for the system - all of that together sounds pretty much like the characteristics of a fascist system to me. And your stupid smiley face tells me you are either one of them or asleep. Either way, you are an enabler for such system.
Six years on, and the closing remarks of this debate hang over us like a sordid premonition: 'The Matrix as a documentary' - the majority of the UK are eating the steak right now - and 'if it takes ten years'.... sorry, Julian, it may be thirty. My view is that the pessimists are never pessimistic enough to convince the optimists to get off their arses.
I have a dream no racism and no jokes that offend other people everyone gets educated properly and has the opportunity to learn about a different culture atheists and religious people can get along.
Slavoj at 11:50 reminds me of the film Dogville. "If we discover that they are not people like us . . . then it's all right, let them drown . . . , " etc.
1:36:50 *Varoufakis* "I would like to pay tribute to Julian for having turned big brother on his head-because those capacities for technologically getting connected to the truth have been usurped by the powers that be, in what has become a form of surveillance capitalism. Where the benefits of the technology are being put to use by those who want to deny the rest of us transparency and a view of what is going on. So, you heard a number of stories-and actually, it's what Julian refers to as _'scientific journalism'_ -which is in other words: commentary based on _actual_ documents. Documents that have been leaked or have been presented or discovered or retrieved somehow which tells you what it was that Hillary Clinton said, what Assad said, what Putin said and you don't have to rely on secondary and tertiary interpretation by some journalist who works for some conglomerate who's interests are highly intertwined with the vested interests that are part of the problem. Hearing the stories that come out of Wikileaks or actually reading them... Independently whether you like Julian or you agree with his interpretation of what he is receiving-but actually having firsthand information, _access_ to these documents, reveals a world that is completely alien to anyone who relies on the media in order to understand. Those who rely on third hand, fourth hand regurgitated information through the vested interests of the oligarchy in order to be informed about the world they are condemned to be caught up in moments of terror when suddenly the facade that they confuse for reality explodes when an ISIS bomb or an Al Qaeda bomb goes off. And they have absolutely no... And then what happens is they revert back to the same media whom has informed them in the first place for information about what had happened. The tribute I want to pay to Julian is that he gave us reason to be optimistic, because in an Orwellian way technology tends to concentrate power by concentrating the capacity to know in the hands of those who do not want to put it into the service of the public. But what Wikileaks tried to do-and I think this is the source of optimism-is it used these very same techniques, the very same technologies, in order to say to those who collect information in order to monopolize it that: _'you know what, that information will escape and you are not safe in the monopoly of that information.'_ *That* is the reason he is in there, that is why he is being persecuted, because information when it is concentrate in the way it's concentrated in the ECB [European Central Bank], in the Euro Group, in the debates about our future and the TTIP-they sound like silly acronyms but they are about the future-they're nothing to do with Free trade agreements everybody wants free trade, who wants _enslaved_ trade. Everybody wants free trade, but it's not about free trade, it's got nothing to do about _'barriers to the movements of goods and services.'_ *It's all about specifying who owns the right to the idea that will give rise to a good.* _Who has the patent, who has the capacity to tell a certain industry, a certain pharmaceutical company that in order to produce this drug you have to charge £80-90 [$120-135] per pill to those who absolutely need it. It's got to do with the labor standards, whether we're going to be engaged in a global race to the bottom-where the enslavement of people in far away places become instrumental and functional to -the- our capacity to purchase cheap clothes and cheap gadgets on the high street. It has to do with environmental standards, whether our societies, our people, our polity has the right _even_ to say for instance that: _this pesticide or this genome is not to be used in our land because we consider it to be dangerous for the soil and for the water that we drink._ These are the decisions that will shape the future and they are being made without you knowing about it-in exactly the same way that the ECB is making these decisions. Now if they want to break the law and have meetings prior to the official meetings, let them break the law-then we'll have to chase them. There's no law, there's no legal system, no constitution that is full proof against vested interests and against abuse. But the fact that we don't have a law, that we don't have regulations in Europe and the only regulations are the only ones that preserve the monopoly of information for those who use it to keep us in the dark and to keep us disenfranchised and to keep us inimical to one another and inimical to the other, to the foreigners, to the Palestinians, to the Nigerians, to the Assyrians, to the Muslims, to the Christians, to whoever. *This is the main game in town-and by town I mean the Global Village in which we live.* And let me just finish by saying, just adding one last vignette to this-which we may discuss later in the conversation if anybody's interested. _Capitalism is not wrong because it is creating inequality and injustice-my trouble, my qualm with capitalism is that it's a very inefficient way of utilizing human and nonhuman resources._ *It wastes human capacities, whole generations, it creates conflicts and antagonisms in order to preserve vested interests and injustice and inequality are by products of this failure of rationality and efficiency.* The Left has failed in its critique of capitalism-we turned our humanism into the Gulag. We turned our good intentions into a misanthropic power structure that abused the people we're supposedly interested in helping-this is why from 1991 onwards the Left is on retreat. But capitalism will be overthrown even without the Left-the technologies that capitalism produces will overthrow capitalism. The 3D Printer. The capacity of designers to collaborate without going through a corporation, a corporate structure-they will undermine the purpose of corporations, they will deplete the value generation process at the very same that output of gadgets is maximized. In the United States, Apple has started building factories for the first time shifting production from China back to the United States-except that no Americans will be employed in them because they will be fully robotized. The question is: _who is going to buy the Apple Macintosh machines and the iPods?_ The robots will not. So there is going to be a _'crisis of realization'_ as Marx used to say, that is going to be intensified by the technological process of progress. The same technological progress which now concentrates information so that we do not see the determinance of our history, of our present, and of our future. And which people like Julian by creating mechanisms by which we can turn the technologies against those who want to deny us this information are creating a chance, a ray of light, of hope, that we can democratize the economic, social and political dimensions of our existence. And I shall finish by one word which is not going to detract from Slavoj's pessimism, because I choose to be optimistic. I have no evidence that humanity can become master of it's faculties and of it's fate. I choose as an axiom to believe that we can simply because the moment you start on the basis of this axiomatic optimism there is a possibility that the probability of democracy increases-hope feeds hope. There is no evidence that this hope is justified, but there is plenty of evidence that without hope we will succumb to the fear of fear and the terrorists in whatever form they take are going to triumph against humanism."
58:00 we already have this in the states, it's called C-span. what it did was turn congressional meetings into childish show and tells, while all the real discussion moved behind closed doors into "unofficial" meetings.
THIS IS GOOD, SOLID STUFF. Wow, I'm impressed by Assange. A greater, more insightful philosopher than Zizek even if he doesn't have a degree. The power of the right info. Varoufakis and Assange are such cracks. Thanks for the debate.
Such an IMPORTANT Issue/VIDEO should be subtitled! That way every WORD from genuine Varoufakis -specially from this volcanic and unstoppable great Žižek- is UNDERSTOOD at its fullest. Maybe someone could provide the Subtitle as (.srt)
Glad to see Zizek continues to be the nightmare of audio engineers around the world.
Applauding with mic in hand. Classic Slavoj xD
I love his lisp like peanut butter that thtickth to the rooth of your mouth.
@serendipidus1 eh, im inclined to give him a pass, his english is better than my slovenian
Just Add Distortion. All your palsy nightmares will be gone ...
levelly comment :) made me chuckle
Oh my god, this was a cultural touch stone, how could this have been a time limited debate ? It should have lasted until they ran out of things to say or collapsed from fatigue
Now, there's a thought. Maybe Red Bull should host next time.
Zizek would still be talking today if they did this.
zizek should have a late night show
His guests would never get a word in and I’d be okay with it
you mean he thould have a late night thow? LOL
@@aubreydebliquy8051 wdgggdf
Call it PURE IDEOLOGY with Slavoj
Very late. 🤫
It's such a breath of fresh air to know these guys exist. I come over, and over to this video, just to confirm that there's still hope for us in the future
To quote Zizek, "one should be a moderate pessimist like me so you get to feel glad sometimes"
@@QuinnArgo Indeed. Or to quote Gramsci, "Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will."
@Concrete True we are fucked
We live in hell.
its certainly nice to know just because your the minority you were not crazy
I like the irony that Julian Assange is being filmed and projected in a way that makes him look like Big Brother.
+Blake Siefken Haha, I thought so too.
+Blake Siefken Big brother (God?) Vage and verry big image, untuchable andso...i had that feeling to...but also some kind of feeling that says...he's not getting back. Thats feels so sickening.
+Hans Mateboer Big Brother doesn't mean got, it usually refers to government surveillance.
Perhaps Emmanuel Bernstein on tele-screen as The Party hates him mostly.
But who else would you use to suggest an open and free society. Ask anyone about Orwell's 1984 and they either dont recognise the name or remind you of someone remembering a terrible event in their lives
Slavoj was on fire the whole time
or on cocaine
@@hallo4966 Maybe both.
In my mind, Zizek, much like Obelix the Gaul fell into the magic potion, must have had an incident with amphetamine that affects him permanently.
@@hallo4966 I really doubt these suspicions. First of all, it seems pretty clear to me that a guy who perpetually points out that 'enjoyment hurts' would ever fall prey to drug dependency. But even if that's just a front, no one remains charming and funny for as long as Zizek has if they're hooked on coke.
No, coke
"There is nothing liberating in suffering" Slavoj Žižek ❤📚
Suffering can liberate one from ignorance or apathy
@Something Else So basically you’re saying that the very notion of "change" is a false one, in the sense that all possibilities of actual societal changes are considered by the ruling class (elite, caste whatever) and as such, pre-controlled and influenced?
@@saskk2290 Lol
@Dallas Texans 1952
Nah, I go radical
@@saskk2290 if suffering is all you know, what else is there?
Yanis is right, there is more diversity within a group than between groups.
Everything depends on this: that we connect our PROGRESSIVE European struggles with equally PROGRESSIVE struggles from the Middle East.
The silent treatment of every criticism of Islam as Islamophobia is catastrophic for both Europe/The West and the Middle East itself.
- Slavoj Zizek [paraphrased]
Slavoj Zizek: The Most Dangerous Philosopher of the 21st Century: 'Talks at Google'.
That's my joke. Get it?
good suggestion, kinda crappy reasoning
"He will be forced to smile when we take power"
« When we take power » what do you mean by that?
@ its what Slavoj said ironically around 1:34:50
Poor Julian, a true mammoth of courage and integrity. I hope for a world when he is free and celebrated for the hero that he is.
Slavoj is a great thinker and a great human.
Content warning: Slavoj Žižek
Somebody should've provided that warning to Jordan Peterson before he agreed to a debate with a Slavoj quotes account run by a teenager.
Slavoj Zizek - the epitome of courage and judgement! Thank you - this was incredible, such amazing intellects and spirits!
Slavoj is the best, seriously.
"But can I just finish the line!" says Slavoj.
Really love that Yanis has recently started to take up the baton from Tony Benn in quoting him a lot. From one generation to the next, that's the struggle. There's no final victory and there's no final defeat - that's what Tony always taught.
Without any doubt the most powerful thing that was said; from 1:35:58 to 1:36:47. Bravo Varoufakis.
36:52 You have five Greeks, you get ten opinions.
Zizek simply nails it time and again.
this video felt strangely empowering and vitalizing to watch. feelings that don't go around to easy in these times of crisis.
1:45:20 and especially "There is no evidence that this hope is justified but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that without this hope we succumb to the fear of fear and the terrorists in whatever form they take will triumph against humanism" is such a powerful point.
Thank you very much for the upload.
I was at this. Seems like a lifetime ago.
So its not just me, who felt like the 2010's went so fast? The 00's felt way longer in comparison to me
I like when Julian Assange appears Obi Wan-Kenobi-style as a floating hologram dispensing wise advice.
+ALLCAPSARCHER09 these aren't the refugees you're looking for...
LOL Zizek trying desperately to keep those goddamn papers from falling, but as soon he leaves them he starts shaking and papers start slipping down again
1:34:57 that confidence: "He will be forced to smile when we take power!" :D
This is the best talk-show I've seen in the last 10 years.. and I've seen quite a few.
All three of them, such open-minded genius!
What a lineup, fantastic.
Really?
When you see Dunban’s a fan of Zizek as well
So many messages aged well. Bravo to all participants!
Come back to this every x amount of years, and it's still great
Came for Zizek, stayed for Varoufakis. Instant fan
Let Slavoj speak man!!
An interesting discussion, some good points raised on all sides
+hanson666999 can you make an even more empty statement?
+hanson666999 All sides except for yours.
+hanson666999 ...the progressive side or the communist side or the liberal side?
Yeah...sides...
+The Ball liberals and communists are different sides because they believe in different ideological concepts
I liked what Yanis Varoufakis said about the EU
That in its current undemocratic state it is simply a cartell for rich capitalists who have used it to destroy competition in European nations, it's an economic monopoly.
Also that the EU has a deep contempt for democracy. Democracy for the people who run the EU is simply a process of elections that are used to validate their power to make decisions independent of the people.
The EU is damaging democracy and economic prosperity across Europe.
Yanis, every time he speaks, I learn something new.
32:23
I always come back to this part, It's Žižek's Balkan speech.
1:30:44 Me when somebody tells I should not spend the whole day listening to Zizek.
My guy, I was only 30min in when I clicked on your time stamp, you just fiered me up so much to find the context behind this sheer violence
There are still thinkers in Europe, they need to be heard more.
Those Slavoj's one-liners...
Great, compassionate, very intelligent human beings that inspire generations. Free Assange. Truth is the greatest force.
He will be forced to smile when we take power!
1:56:10 is pretty morbid nearly 10 years later considering Assange is now being mentally tortured in an underground dungeon
I am considering translating this to Arabic has there been any translations made already or should I get started?
+Fahed Nabbout i am also trying to translate it to another language. Do you know the easier way to do it? I heard there is an option where they can activate "community contribution" and from there on you can add subtitles to the video, instead of downloading the whole thing and uploading again
+Fahed Nabbout i can help!
so did you find a way? i want to translate to portuguese. Maybe if you translate it to Arabic and activate the community feature i can then translate to portuguese? cheers
+Fahed Nabbout Please do it; whatever you can do besides 'sharing on social media' do it! We need to get the world out. As you can tell I'm African and I'm looking into ways of disseminating the incredible knowledge! Godspeed my friend!
+Fahed Nabbout that would probably be amazing
what a wonderful, witty, enlightened and intellectually brilliant panel! a complete delight in the current darkness of grunting, clubwielding troglodytes.
Wall street in New York was a wall originally built to separate Dutch from English parts of town.
what a marvel !!! thanks so much!!! THANKS SO MUCH for share !!!
well said Yanis!
Outstanding!!! Thank you so much.
I love how well read and Spoken Assange is. He seems as philosophicqlly and intrllectually engaged as zizek here. With this, it would b rlly cool to see the points of contention between zizek and assange (which in my eyes seemed to be on a kind of different plane than Yanis as they were slightly more influenced by discussions of Ideology with a capital I)
this is the best thing i have ever watched. gotta love slavoj's ascensions.
Zizek could infect the whole audience if he had covid.
3:48 - I tried searching for the skip-intro man, guess he went to Europe
Free Assange!
This made me feel Instinctually, Revolutionarily Fizzy and tingly insidel
Why should I be to blame for Europe's actions if I never even voted for any of the leaders of my European country? I have hated all these leaders and their actions since I can remember. I also hated other European leaders who meddle in the Middle East. Everyone I know is also against the meddling in the Middle East, it would appear rather inappropriate to see these people blamed too.
+Antonio Brandao yes and we did not elect NATO or USA warmongers who created all the mess in the first place..
+Belze Buddha Yes, but they just LOVE fooling the Serfs into swallowing that bullshit about getting the government we "deserve". Are the passengers on a bus "responsible" when the driver smashes into a wall? And even the hypothetical passengers of that hypothetical bus have more control over their fate than we do. No, all we can do is watch entertaining distractions like these Fancy Explainers (in the video above), who are adept at not pissing off their masters, share their recycled half-truths.
Julian, isn't it an amazing coincidence that after all these years of Wikileaks, not a single person with Real Power has been fired or even disgraced via your trove of top-secrets? Why, it's almost as though the whole thing is being carefully stage-managed....!
+youngfool3000 Sorry, kid. That's (forgiveable) bullshit. You don't know how the game runs. NO decision of any importance to the Corporate Masters is allowed in the hands of Duh Masses. *Ever*. The problem is, most of what the average person thinks they "know" about The System... was fed to them by (drum roll)... The System... (via various proxies of The System, including school, media and your parents). If you were raised in a wealthy Mafia family, for example, what, as a child, could you expect to know or believe about "The Mafia"? Either nothing about the Mafia or good things about The Mafia. Your understanding of the Empire you were born in (either near its center or on the outskirts of it) is analogous to that.
+Antonio Brandao If you don't vote, you don't get to say that you oppose the powers that be. The vote which you did not cast is mathematically a plus for them. As you did not vote, the total number of votes cast is smaller, and thus the result of the election is less representative, and the powers that be thus need fewer votes in order to win the election. Therefore, you should always vote, even if you would be the only one voting for the party that you voted for. If you don't like any party, you should start your own party, you have every legal right to do so and it has never been easier, and more feasible in human history to start a grassroots movement that actually wins an election, with the advent of the internet, and the resulting decentralization of the spread of information, and the media.
The greatest blessing for the powers that be is people that don't vote. Being lulled into apathy by the media telling you that X party that you hate that always wins is definitely going to win and that there is no hope for anything else, is exactly what they want you to think and do. This is why Bernie Sanders in the US and other similar possible reformers of the plutocratic system are always displayed as "fringe candidates that will never win" or silenced into oblivion. When it comes to politics, you should never believe what you are told. Public relations experts (formerly called propagandists) prepare every political statement and narrative you see all around you, and you not voting is a result of this media's formation of your political ideas, the media says: rebels don't vote, it's lame to vote, because x happened people are definitely going to vote for x, it's pointless to vote.
So you don't vote. And the house always wins.
+Antonio Brandao
You are as much guilty of it, as many of my fellow countrymen under Hitlers regime were, when they looked the other way instead of revolting in the streets.
Wow, the final quarter of this was epic.
This talk is soo good but also incredibly depressing when you realize that both the global political system and the masses of nonreflective conformists are never going to change.
Deutsch?I wouldnt say that go to most of the non western countries everybody is a human that can think creative and intelligently, the german system makes you think that the majority is stupid, thats not true!(and Menschenverachtend and part of the Propaganda)
+Allzumenschliches44 Don't give up man - it's gonna be like the Titanic; if, and this ship may sink- we'll go down with our violins and viola's humming!
+Paul Maciejowski orientalism much?
+Paul Maciejowski really? in India for example there's still millions of ppl who are basically slaves. show me there are whose creative & progressive countries outside of west? and lets not even start about midd-east or africa.. world is depressive and random place
I mean it’s fine
for non european audience, especially anglo-saxon audience. I'm French and I consider that I know pretty well the culture/history and current collective psychology of the following countries :
- Spain and Portugal because my mom used to teach spanish for decades and we often spent our vacations there, and my father had businesses in Portugal
- Germany and Austria because I learned the langage with great pleasure at school and was always interested in this cultural area for intellectual and sentimental reasons (Music, philosophy, the lips of the first girl I kissed during a student travel in Lüneburg...)
- I don't know Italia as well as Spain, but we all know in France than Italian people, at least from the North, are like very close cousins
I can tell you that what Yanis says about the creation of the Euro is COMPLETLY true ! Each country chose to join the single currency for "nationalist" reasons that have more to do with national historical neuroses than with a rational economic analysis or the real conviction that a brand new European individual could rise from the merging of numerous national cultures. The no-border, postnational ideology dominating the boomers generation just gave a apparent rationale.
I want to offer these men the most extraordinary and confounding of embraces. I feel such an astounding feeling of knowing and concilience in the thoughts of these 3 three that it creates in my mind a sense of hope and determination which only appears when the belief in social concilience rears its head and shows itself as a possibility. I am filled with with a peace and a fiery desire to enact change when I hear such thoughts and feelings expressed so clearly and well articulated; such a feeling of grace it creates that I am urged to engage and pressed so passionately to provoke and to feel with my fellow man. I'm happy that such a debate is not only possible, but encouraged, and supported
Wow. What if we'd have the chance in our average lives to speak EVERYDAY about these issues with other people. In bars, cafes, suks, wherever... Just by speaking, we would change the world.
Chomsky's voice puts me to sleep, Žižek's voice keeps me wide awake.
I have to rewatch it every now and then
Great Talk.
Great! We need more of this in the west.
I feel guilty watching Julian....we've not done enough to save him from the dark forces within our government...and the USA of course .
He's a sensitive. thoughtful man.
He's a hero too.
why cant we all step in to protect this beautiful geezer ?
Yanis is a total slime mould...
We so need another round of this, an end-of-the 2022 version ...
Slavoj has a highly interesting way to argument for being on twenty pots of coffee.
Four years ago and things are so much worse, thank you free Julian Assange
35:19 As a German, I can agree with this.
A country who lives in the past "to never forget", but never learned its lesson, because 2020 and 2021 clearly shows how obedient Germans are. The kind of obedience that does everything without questioning, no matter how unreasonable and questionable the task might be. And if the winds change, they will flip...again. That's the nature of weak people.
So you are saying following corona guidelines is a form of nazism? ^^
@@pagu9009 Taking away your freedom, censoring critics, silencing people by labeling them and getting them fired and their live destroyed, policemen who see violence for minor things as legit, people who follow and don't ask questions and even do the dirty deeds for the system - all of that together sounds pretty much like the characteristics of a fascist system to me. And your stupid smiley face tells me you are either one of them or asleep. Either way, you are an enabler for such system.
Slavoj is best spoken with while wearing a clear full-face shield.
I hope that when I am old and a failed revolutionary, I am half as cool as Slavoj Zizek.
Die while you continue to fight the system. Never relent.
@Ed Hearn uh, okay mate
Audio being what it is, Zizek's statement is eloquent, to the point, memorable and as urgent as ever!
And passionate.
I responded to Zizek's remarks on the 'cupola' that is (the official, not the real) Europe.
It's been a long seven days!
"Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian will be here with us."
It took nearly that long, but finally this can be a reality
Six years on, and the closing remarks of this debate hang over us like a sordid premonition: 'The Matrix as a documentary' - the majority of the UK are eating the steak right now - and 'if it takes ten years'.... sorry, Julian, it may be thirty. My view is that the pessimists are never pessimistic enough to convince the optimists to get off their arses.
Ok ich schaue mir das Video an ! Ich finde das sehr gut , das Yanis Varoufakis dabei ist !
What about Zizek 🚀 ? .•°
i have a dream
freedom of press,
transparant politics,
no more financing of political parties by big corporations
I have a dream
no racism and no jokes that offend other people
everyone gets educated properly and has the opportunity to learn about a different culture
atheists and religious people can get along.
I wish this debate would at least double its viewing audience
Yaassss boy Yanis!!!!! What a legend!
Slavoj at 11:50 reminds me of the film Dogville. "If we discover that they are not people like us . . . then it's all right, let them drown . . . , " etc.
UA-cam created the 2x speed for Zizek.
Thank You Southbank!
Revisitng this in 2020 and Yiani's part at 54ish mins is a loud echo
Slavoj is an awesome speaker !! hehe very passionate
Stop interrupting slavoj and let him make his point please
Respect for zizek
Increased by 300%
I relate to Slavoj.. what a Legend 🤣 the man got a lot of passion
Thank you
1:36:50
*Varoufakis* "I would like to pay tribute to Julian for having turned big brother on his head-because those capacities for technologically getting connected to the truth have been usurped by the powers that be, in what has become a form of surveillance capitalism. Where the benefits of the technology are being put to use by those who want to deny the rest of us transparency and a view of what is going on. So, you heard a number of stories-and actually, it's what Julian refers to as _'scientific journalism'_ -which is in other words: commentary based on _actual_ documents. Documents that have been leaked or have been presented or discovered or retrieved somehow which tells you what it was that Hillary Clinton said, what Assad said, what Putin said and you don't have to rely on secondary and tertiary interpretation by some journalist who works for some conglomerate who's interests are highly intertwined with the vested interests that are part of the problem.
Hearing the stories that come out of Wikileaks or actually reading them... Independently whether you like Julian or you agree with his interpretation of what he is receiving-but actually having firsthand information, _access_ to these documents, reveals a world that is completely alien to anyone who relies on the media in order to understand. Those who rely on third hand, fourth hand regurgitated information through the vested interests of the oligarchy in order to be informed about the world they are condemned to be caught up in moments of terror when suddenly the facade that they confuse for reality explodes when an ISIS bomb or an Al Qaeda bomb goes off. And they have absolutely no... And then what happens is they revert back to the same media whom has informed them in the first place for information about what had happened.
The tribute I want to pay to Julian is that he gave us reason to be optimistic, because in an Orwellian way technology tends to concentrate power by concentrating the capacity to know in the hands of those who do not want to put it into the service of the public. But what Wikileaks tried to do-and I think this is the source of optimism-is it used these very same techniques, the very same technologies, in order to say to those who collect information in order to monopolize it that: _'you know what, that information will escape and you are not safe in the monopoly of that information.'_ *That* is the reason he is in there, that is why he is being persecuted, because information when it is concentrate in the way it's concentrated in the ECB [European Central Bank], in the Euro Group, in the debates about our future and the TTIP-they sound like silly acronyms but they are about the future-they're nothing to do with Free trade agreements everybody wants free trade, who wants _enslaved_ trade. Everybody wants free trade, but it's not about free trade, it's got nothing to do about _'barriers to the movements of goods and services.'_ *It's all about specifying who owns the right to the idea that will give rise to a good.* _Who has the patent, who has the capacity to tell a certain industry, a certain pharmaceutical company that in order to produce this drug you have to charge £80-90 [$120-135] per pill to those who absolutely need it.
It's got to do with the labor standards, whether we're going to be engaged in a global race to the bottom-where the enslavement of people in far away places become instrumental and functional to -the- our capacity to purchase cheap clothes and cheap gadgets on the high street. It has to do with environmental standards, whether our societies, our people, our polity has the right _even_ to say for instance that: _this pesticide or this genome is not to be used in our land because we consider it to be dangerous for the soil and for the water that we drink._
These are the decisions that will shape the future and they are being made without you knowing about it-in exactly the same way that the ECB is making these decisions. Now if they want to break the law and have meetings prior to the official meetings, let them break the law-then we'll have to chase them. There's no law, there's no legal system, no constitution that is full proof against vested interests and against abuse. But the fact that we don't have a law, that we don't have regulations in Europe and the only regulations are the only ones that preserve the monopoly of information for those who use it to keep us in the dark and to keep us disenfranchised and to keep us inimical to one another and inimical to the other, to the foreigners, to the Palestinians, to the Nigerians, to the Assyrians, to the Muslims, to the Christians, to whoever. *This is the main game in town-and by town I mean the Global Village in which we live.*
And let me just finish by saying, just adding one last vignette to this-which we may discuss later in the conversation if anybody's interested. _Capitalism is not wrong because it is creating inequality and injustice-my trouble, my qualm with capitalism is that it's a very inefficient way of utilizing human and nonhuman resources._ *It wastes human capacities, whole generations, it creates conflicts and antagonisms in order to preserve vested interests and injustice and inequality are by products of this failure of rationality and efficiency.* The Left has failed in its critique of capitalism-we turned our humanism into the Gulag. We turned our good intentions into a misanthropic power structure that abused the people we're supposedly interested in helping-this is why from 1991 onwards the Left is on retreat.
But capitalism will be overthrown even without the Left-the technologies that capitalism produces will overthrow capitalism. The 3D Printer. The capacity of designers to collaborate without going through a corporation, a corporate structure-they will undermine the purpose of corporations, they will deplete the value generation process at the very same that output of gadgets is maximized. In the United States, Apple has started building factories for the first time shifting production from China back to the United States-except that no Americans will be employed in them because they will be fully robotized. The question is: _who is going to buy the Apple Macintosh machines and the iPods?_ The robots will not. So there is going to be a _'crisis of realization'_ as Marx used to say, that is going to be intensified by the technological process of progress. The same technological progress which now concentrates information so that we do not see the determinance of our history, of our present, and of our future. And which people like Julian by creating mechanisms by which we can turn the technologies against those who want to deny us this information are creating a chance, a ray of light, of hope, that we can democratize the economic, social and political dimensions of our existence.
And I shall finish by one word which is not going to detract from Slavoj's pessimism, because I choose to be optimistic. I have no evidence that humanity can become master of it's faculties and of it's fate. I choose as an axiom to believe that we can simply because the moment you start on the basis of this axiomatic optimism there is a possibility that the probability of democracy increases-hope feeds hope. There is no evidence that this hope is justified, but there is plenty of evidence that without hope we will succumb to the fear of fear and the terrorists in whatever form they take are going to triumph against humanism."
Thanks *so* much for typing this out
great work my friend - an absolute tour de force of a Yanis speech...
Thankyou 👍👏
WoWeeee #me tankYdoO 🌻🌺🌼 .•°
Skip Intros...
3:23
I am depressed and also thankful for it.
So many quotable Zizek moments...
58:00 we already have this in the states, it's called C-span. what it did was turn congressional meetings into childish show and tells, while all the real discussion moved behind closed doors into "unofficial" meetings.
Slavoj's and Yanis' banter is off the charts
This conversation left me super scared.
+Juan Madero I pissed my pants. Not because I was scared, but because I'm a fucking drunnk loser
+TadRaunch thats pretty cool man
THIS IS GOOD, SOLID STUFF.
Wow, I'm impressed by Assange. A greater, more insightful philosopher than Zizek even if he doesn't have a degree. The power of the right info.
Varoufakis and Assange are such cracks.
Thanks for the debate.
Marvelous talk.
The best zizek jokes are the "WHEN ME AND MY FRENS TAKE POWER AND SO ON" jokes about his dream communist dictatorship
GREAT and PROVOCATIVE DEBATE...
Such an IMPORTANT Issue/VIDEO should be subtitled! That way every WORD from genuine Varoufakis -specially from this volcanic and unstoppable great Žižek- is UNDERSTOOD at its fullest. Maybe someone could provide the Subtitle as (.srt)