Playing Music Badly Will Make You Better.
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2020
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Everybody's "badly" is going to sound different. The important part is to not compare yourself to others, and to force yourself to try things that you'd normally hesitate to play!
hey
I think one of the hardest things to do when playing music is to stop comparing yourself to others. but to those learning, you got this!
this video has really helped me, I am terrified of messing up and I only recently got into jazz and improv, learning to loosen up is harder than the classical techniques I've been learning for years! we need to stop putting pressure on ourselves to sound perfect 100% of the time, especially with brand new concepts and skills! Thank you
You can even become good at being bad source: Jo Stafford
You gotta hear Half alive bro and review one of their songs man!
“an hour or four or forty”
Twoset subs: *iNTERESTING*
Ling lings: ooh, I see🤔
Avengers Endgame: I’m the most ambitious crossover event in history
This comment:
I'm just waiting for Charles to choose a side in the current instrument war 😂
@@reepicheepsfriend nah, charles is lawful neutral. I don't think he will interfere in this war
Let's hope he is up to date on his LingLing insurance
Charles: It doesn't matter how many hours you put in
*Ling Ling Wants to know your location*
Ling Ling already knows everybody’s location
@@jamestye lmaoo
I’m happy he knows who 2set is
The way his camera zoomed in when he said 40 gave Ling Ling more power
0:20 foooorrty
jazz musicians: *improvise and just go with the flow*
me, someone who has only learned classical: "I....we dont do that here-"
And that's why we love jazz. Just happy little accidents to discover
@@sondrestrmme4006 Time to change! It's good when the first step is done!
My classical teachers would avoid teaching me chords because "that's the easy part" they say.
Then I found music theory...
Hey, try checking out cedarvillemusic, Nicoleta Paraschivescu, Robert Levin, and Ewald Demeyere on UA-cam to look at some awesome classical improvisers :) Cedarvillemusic has some helpful tips for beginners especially, and a Patreon ("Improv Planet") and a book if you'd like to learn more!
@@AlessandroSistiMusic ^^
Yes. Check out Cedarville music, Dr. John Mortensen is an absolute unit of a pianist and an improviser, and he has a lot of fun piano pandemic things as well as videos covering technique and how to learn stuff.
He also has a book now lol
This is similar to that anxiety ted talk, where the speaker told everyone to "just do it badly", it helped me start lots of projects, and I'm living by it.
I don't think I'd be happy with myself if I just did things "willy nilly" and badly... I don't care how quickly it happened, if it's a pile of garbage.
@@Nat-ch4tc the point is to start, the hardest part is usually starting. Of course we all want to improve.
@@Nat-ch4tc you missed the point
Link to video?
@@jacksonroth7565 ua-cam.com/video/WWloIAQpMcQ/v-deo.html watched it when I felt a lot of anxiety.
"Why you should play music badly"
So Charles can make remixes to you, of course.
I mean, that too
@@CharlesCornellStudios heheh
ahh cardi b does this
Me who hasn’t played an instrument since recorder in fifth grade: This video is important to my learning of music
I read the title as “why YOU should press bing bing black and white box buttons even if you don’t know what a c# is or a c++”
Gamepocalypse Gaming lmao. you know programming languages than u do notes.
time to pick that recorder back up and start blowing
@@gamepocalypsegaming278 C++ is Re
C that’s what she said
"You're probably here because you're a musician"
*dies in Cardi B's Uggs*
I can hear her scream and that chord.
@@BTTFan Yeah it’s burnt into my memory
Charles:"Many of you are musicians"
Me:yeah i can whistle breathing in and out
I couldn't even whistle while breathing out until a few months ago lol
Now I'm airbidextrous
Edit: before then, I could only whistle while inhaling
Asthma?
@@yuditepic3396 wasnt going for that joke but that works too :D
You can do beatbox maybe
that’s actually impressive-
Davie 504 : song
Twosteviolin : peice
Charles Cornell :
TUNE
J A Z Z
Bass
Daniel Thrasher: dwindling mental health
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Kmac: D J E N T
So a little story:
I studied classical piano when I was in highschool. Shortly after finishing highschool I stopped playing and focused just on music theory for one year. Why? I was super frustrated, because I wanted to learn to improvise and even though I was playing very beautiful and complex classical/contemporary pieces, I always thought I was missing something. I also had a very rough time jamming with people, since I only practiced solo piano most of the time. I think this is what ultimately led to me dropping the piano a short time after.
Fast forward almost ten years, I'm an improvising actor, In a small improv group and one day I decided to confront my biggest fear: To be the musician in the show, and... improvise.
Somehow, knowing a thing or two about improvising in general, I felt like there's no wrong thing to do or play. I felt free and happy to finally not care how I sound and if the music is beautiful. Yeah, it wasn't the most complex or interesting music, but it served the stories on the stage, and it felt like I was expressing myself.
Yeah, sometimes playing badly is amazing. Thanks Charles.
Love this story
Any youtuber: "40"
Two Setters: *OUR Comment Section*
i found "if u can play it slowly you can play it quickly" in my music book in school.
Someone: so what languages do you speak apart from English?
Charles: I am fluent in *piano*
I’m gonna say that next time
Ling Ling was here.
* TwoSetViolin fans have broken down the door to the chat *
@A.H literally the same thing. You knew what they were saying, everyone did, and insisting on arbitrary jargon that the uninitiated could never hope to know is cringe and stuck-up as all hell.
wrong note in a progression = jazz
or
just remember: R E P E T I T I O N L E G I T I M I Z E S
Adam neely gang
REPETITION LEGITIMIZES
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I'm a classically trained pianist, and you just described exactly how I feel playing simple improv.
Imma say it, Charles Cornell is such a inspiration
Jacob collier: I’m doing everything wrong
Does that mean you're actually doing everything right? :D
Kaotiqua that man truly will never play “bad” music
lol. Djesse vol.3 August 14!!
Joel Anttila I’m so excited
@@butterdee7542 Same! It's gonna be dope as nuts!
This channel:
Came for the MEMES, stayed for the high quality and thoroughly explained music theory. I love it.
Keep up this hard work Charles.
For guitarists: If you can't improvise anything, just play random notes while going crazy with a Wah pedal
na Wah covers nothing , %50 reverb and you can harmonize with yourself in a ball of mush
@@chuckcrunch1 Plus maybe a wee bit Korg Miku.
@@borogove lol
Glad to hear my terrible skills in music are useful for something
I'm sure you're great
MonkeyManGames are you sure about that?
my piano teacher:
*chuckles* i’m in danger
This is probably the most important thing every new musician should hear.
I've been teaching guitar for nearly 20 years. I remember one occasion in specific where I had a student who had learned a decent slice of classic rock guitar covers, note for note, including the guitar solo for You Shook Me All Night Long which was kind of his flagship achievement up to that point and he could totally slay it. At some point I was trying to encourage him to try improvising a solo on the same progression. I gave him a scale shape and told him to focus on exploring what each of the notes in the scale sounds like and not to be concerned with anything more than that. And over the course of the lesson, his hands just kept grasping back onto the safety of the written solo to the point where he was frustrating himself. I wish this video existed 10 years ago. It would have been a help. Improvising was at the heart of my musical efforts and exploration from the very start so it didn't dawn on me how daunting it could be for somebody with a different background.
"It doesn't matter how many hours a day you practice"
LingLing: boi WHAT
#twosetgang
If you can play it badly, you can play it well
Ling Ling insurance is on the way!
Complete the sentence you bimbo xd.
40 hours. Every day.
I heard that TwoSet reference of practicing 40 hours a day!
Agreed! Its like a buddy of mine said once "We already played it the wrong way, we have now have no option but to play it right."
the free improve at the end really sounded like a breath of the wild score
So basically: Sound bad first, get better later
more like sound bad now, than later
Im sure he means - sound bad first, get better laterrr (procrastinate practice)
@@izzuliskandar I think he means play random stuff that sounds "bad" because it will help innovation and moving music ahead
Cubscouter its a joke mate ^
It would be weird if it went the other way.
Literally exactly what I needed to hear. Been getting very frustrated and bored while practicing, which also made me less likely to practice in the first place. Thank you!
Yeah same. I had this mentality while improvising that I *must* sound good or else I shouldn’t play, and that has hurt my growth as a musician very much
I totally agree with you. Especially when I'm having fun it makes it difficult for me to stop and enjoy the learning process of improvisation because I'm so focused on sounding good
Charles: "you're not gonna stand up on a stage and off the cuff just perform a stand up comedy set in a language you don't know"
Me: ...☝️ all though, that would be funny
Throught the Same thing. Telling dad jokes by literally translating words from a doctionary on the spot
Around 9:45 he talks about "you didn't learn anything" if you just followed a tutorial and memorized shapes. There is a guy who teaches Spanish on youtube 'Dreaming Spanish' is his channel. One of his videos words it like this. (my paraphrase) "You didn't 'learn' Spanish. You just 'acquired' it." He goes on to say some of the same things Charles says about how it takes years of study and practice to truly learn it.
0:20 Ling Ling suggests that amount of practicing.
the title is me trying to validate myself after recording and realizing i’m kinda shit
I wanna be shit can you teach me
Atleast you did something tho. Now you have a starting point to fix it.
hhdjfjdhd what a mood
That free jazz improv was beautiful. Really colorful.
Quote from Paul Bley (jazz piano giant): "I’ve spent many years trying how to play as good as possible. At the present I’m trying to spend as many years learning how to play as bad as possible." I heard that he once said that the key to capturing an audience is to play bad for a while, and then play something really cool, and then go back to playing bad.
Hey Charles I love your videos and I think you should look at a Mr. Rogers episode and break down the music on the show. I’d love to watch it!
Two astronauts looking at a piano.
“You should play badly”
“I always have been”
Part of that free improv section sounded a bit like Marty O'Donnell. I like it.
Charles: *imitates how he started to improvise*
Me: Hey that's exactly how I improvise!! :D
..
D:
that's the level that i'm trying to get to lol
I've been watching Charles for more than a year, but I just realized he sounds like Owen Wilson with a hint of Kermit.
Now I can’t unhear it! But I still love listening to his voice. I mean Kermit is basically the spirit animal of a my generation. Maybe Charles’ voice is the secret to his success *sips tea*
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Isaiah Higgins exuse me sir are you a dadaist?
Isaiah Higgins is this the lick😳
Oh my gosh you broke me
11:10 is the start of "Fairy Fountain" from The Legend of Zelda
I noticed that and jumped to the comments to see if anyone pointed it out, glad I'm not the only one!
The whole section from 11:45 on sounds like Breath of the Wild music to me, so I heard that as well.
Your never making bad music, just flexing your muscles. Staying ready for when that gem shows itself
So, I've played a few instruments at a beginner level (owned a cheap keyboard, played flute and trombone for a year each in highschool), and I've learned a bunch of theory thanks to videos on UA-cam, but despite understanding some theory, it still blows my mind when I see someone break down how a solo works and realize just how many different ideas are being used. It's the difference between knowing, and understanding. It's the fact that someone can use those ideas in an almost instinctive way in the moment that they're playing.
This is some of the most sage advice I've heard in a long time. So many of my colleagues (and myself included) are crippled by the fear of sounding bad. Giving ourselves permission to suck without the shame-cycle is transcendental. Thank you.
I've never been this early to a video. For once in my musical life I'm actually ON time
Improvisation always came easy to me, whether I liked it or not, when I listened to a recording of it after. When I was a teenager, I only liked one out of five jams. Now I tend to do what I like first take.
What I love about music is the beautiful combination of creativity, feeling and mathematical logic that both blows your mind and makes you cry.
Subtle TwoSet Violin reference: ✅ APPROVED
@@sachinbhajekar So do ya'll Djent or what?
NatPicking! 🇼🇸
anriccc s ❤️❤️
Oh em gee!
Love this video! Inspires me! Kind of relates to what John Mayer once said. "Learn the thing that is the building block for the thing you just learned...trace back why you like the thing and learn the thing that made the thing you like and you will be five times better every time you do that."
It's great if you learn a song note for note but then you just understand that song not necessarily why that song sounds the way it does.
Completely makes sense to learn musical improv by playing badly, then refining what you played til it sounds good. It’s kind of like when a competitive chef makes something gross or unsavory after they win a big competition to unwind yet refine for future successes.
As someone who plays mainly improvisation and also plays badly regularly to test new ideas, I completely agree!
11:34 "Oh hey is he playing The Li- oh."
I'm reading the book "Effortless Mastery" rn and seeing this in my notifications is a sign that I'm doing something right!
I legit use the "blob your fingies randomly on the keys" method often, and try and resolve whatever chords/discards show up. I find it like a lovely mental floss of sorts.
It's a simple thing and actualLY a lot of musicians say the same thing, but one thing that helped me a lot on improvisation was chromaticism. Learning to purposely play a few notes out of place can sound great.
i KNEW i was doing something right! suck it, all my band directors!
he just improvised a piece and proved thats how Debussy made his music
Oh God, when he started his amateur F Blues Improv I felt so called out.
11:40 ooh thank you Morton Feldman
Charls: my first improv was like this...
Me: i still cant play that either
Charles: just play badly. Find new sounds
Me sitting here in awe of his “bad playing”
That's the thing, though. You won't know if something sounds good unless you try it. I suppose it's not so much "purposefully play badly" but "don't be afraid of sounding bad."
Take the A Train is probably my favorite jazz song that I have personally played. Love it!
One thing I just realised is that listening to your own recordings and finding it cringe means that you already know how you want to sound, and while listening some ideas might pop into the brain and then you can work on the recording and connect the dots and jazz
Charles : you need to play bad...
Classical musician : sry can't do... Paginini is no joke
Charles: * randomly slams his hands down on the keyboard *
Music: * appears *
Charles Cornell has managed to be a more efficient music instructor than anything I’ve seen. 14/10 recommend anyone to watch him to learn music
More important than playing the "right notes" is just to play, play a lot and take care of what you're hearing. All the time
I always love how down-to-earth and straight-forward Charles is. Nice and simple but still something new to learn, keep it up man!
five likes. five views. zero dislikes. i like those odds
this is why when I practice improv, I do it with my keyboard speaker off, and only listen to the recording after. that way I can know what worked and what didn't, and learn without getting distracted by the mistakes.
2 years ago, I became obsessed with the "improvised" part in the ending of the movie crossroads. I just loved so much the idea that such an awesome piece of music could sound so good and come straight from nowhere; I knew from that moment, I wanted to do that. All throughout 2021 I played guitar every single day, the goal was simple: be able to improvise. And so, soon enough, I got the opportunity to improvise, not only in front of people, but in front of my whole school. I was really bad at the time to be honest; I hadn't learned much of any scale shapes at the moment, but I had a guitar, a wah wah pedal, and a goal. While everyone else at that presentation, many way more talented at guitar than me, focused on playing popular songs over and over to get a reaction, I played power chords and really, really random stuff. Anyway, when it was over, even though it was obvious it sounded really bad in general, I felt good. I had done it, even though I had not learned how to do it.
When I play a wrong note
“It’s just Jazz”
Original
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There are no wrong notes- only discordant embellishments. ;)
The key is to play the wrong note correctly
Edit: (no pun intended)
Charles: *plays what he thinks sounds bad*
Me: that sounds pretty sweet
This just made me realize this is a lot like synthesizers where you kind of just mess around with your one or more tools and use what you made
8:57 well the fun thing about music is that.. technically there is right or wrong, different to sports for example...
It's not playing music badly
in the wise words of Ms. Minaj: *It's the remix*
DOJA
Me as someone tryna be a jazz singer:
Aaaaaaa yes chords
But no joke scatting and riffing is hard
Does the first tune he plays sound like georgia on my mind or is it just me thinking bullshit?
Ske ba bada bop
@@oliverwright6215 ba bada bop
riffing is without a doubt one of the hardest aspects of singing
i’m a pianist, and accompanist. nothing i do on piano is nearly as hard as me attempting to do a single riff any singers i ever heard or accompanied did, because i cant! 😭🤦♂️
When I was a beginner improviser I just used the black keys of the piano. They form the pentatonic scale so everything always fits together somewhat. Then depending on which white keys you add in you get different scales and modes. Another cool thing about the "black key piano" is that it has a distinct tactile pattern so you can play even with your eyes closed.
You are the one person on youtube that doesnt talk shit. Congratulations, you made it. And thank you!
11:11 I did the exact same "ooh" when he played that
Same
Why you should play music badly:
It's Jazz
(Just kidding. I appreciate you guys)
As someone with very little formal piano experience but many years of informal self-teaching, it’s very comforting to hear that “free improvisation” is indeed a valid way of playing music. I’ve often noodled around on a piano placing my fingers in places that just felt right and just going wherever it took me and feeling like it wasn’t “correct” improv or was inferior to more “consonant” jazz. It feels like painting abstract art; throw this here, splatter that, mix these colours and if it looks garbage, paint over it!
Great video, once again.
This video accurately described me as a musician. Grew up playing classical piano, but i never learned "why" I was playing what ever it was I was playing. I learned to play pieces from memory but never understood the language. So here I am now essentially starting over.
Good to know that I’m gonna go far with my lack of musical skills :p
"Whether it's an hour, or four, or forty*
*L i n g l i n g i s w a t c h i n g y o u*
Ling Ling is like santa. He's always watching
The biggest breakthroughs I always had with learning improv were transcribing other people's solos/improv - and also learning them in other keys too (even just a 4 bar section does wonders)
I have a friend who wanted to learn to play piano, I offered to tech her the basics, but he totally hated that "sounding bad" part of it and ultimately picked up a guitar, learned those 4 chords and had fun for "sounding good"...
All power to her, that's not the issue... but that highlights that people in general don't pick up music because they don't want to sound bad. They listen to music and want to replicate that, sound like that... sooner rather than later.
The joy of discovery and learning something new every day is why I play.... sounding great comes along side that.
Is there really "badly"? Music is emotion, and everybody has his own emotion...
Yes you should hear me play
I think so, I love to be expressive with my music but its frustrating when you don't have the techniques to express yourself properly
everything is beautiful to somebody
I'd say as long as music is played with intention and conviction, it is not being played 'badly'. When you hear bad music, it is usually the result of someone not fully committing to what they're playing
Isn't music just wiggly air after all? Is the beauty in music on the sheet or does it start when somebody experiences it?
Squidward is a master at playing music badly
Here's your first like
11:19 I feel like we went into atonal opera territory and I LOVE it. That whole improv gave me Menotti/Britten vibes.
I totally agree. I once a keyboardist whether he could give me any tips after hearing his play. And he told me one thing. “ raise your hand and let your fingers strike any type of chord without thinking. No chord is ever a mistake no matter how bad it sounds at first. Rather investigate the chord and see how best you can make that chord sound “
“Jazz is stupid. Just play the right notes!” - Angela Martin
“An hour, or four, or FOURTY” haha I can’t stop laughing. LingLing gang > Davie504
69 hour a day for bass
could honestly listen to a longer video of just Charles Cornell free jazz... I love to analyze what he does while he goes along
"The only way that you can actually start to gain experience in something and apply the things that you think you sort of understand but you still gotta work out - the only way that you’re going to actually make progress - is if you say, 'I’m gonna take some chances, and I’m just gonna throw some stuff around, and I may not know how it works or what it’s gonna sound like, but once I hear it, I’m gonna understand I either liked that or I did not like that.' And then, over time, I can hone that process so that I’m ultimately playing more and more and more of what I like and what I believe sounds good.
But you’re not gonna find any of that if you’re so stuck on this idea of sounding good from the get-go."
Good quote.
Hmmm? Ling Ling already practicing 72 hours Lah! Go practice!
a yo first minute viewer baby
As someone who only sings and doesn’t play another instrument, it is really interesting to see how rigid instrument players see music. When I sing in a jazz choir I just kinda listen and do what sounds good-there isn’t nearly as much thought as this. The only similar thing is the fear of sounding bad.
One day for jazz our instructor just kinda made us all go around the room and improvise while the piano player played chords for us, and we went around a few times (we're a small group so it didn't take that much time), anyway and it was honestly helpful because it forced us to play something, even if it's bad, and then he gave us pointers and said what he did/didn't like, and yeah