The HARDEST Jobs in TV | Q&A
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- Who has the hardest job in TV? Can stars tell when they're in a flop? What happens on quiz shows when contestants object to getting a wrong answer?
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Never thought I would hear Richard Osman breakdown the history of rap beef and its legitimacy in pop culture
I think that he loves the old hip hop, back to the early 80s. It takes a nation of millions to hold him back....
I can't believe I've binge-watched/listened my way through this entire podcast. The best part is I don't really care about 90% of the things that they talk about, I just love listening to them talk -- how weird is that? (Thanks Baby Reindeer controversy for sending me here -- now I have my own obsession!)
As an Editor I was going to interject and say we're the hardest working (and most forgotten member of any production).. but you're right, the Production Manager has the hardest job and when I think of any of the best ones I've worked with, my eyes glaze over under a torrent of respect. It's an unenviable job and while Editors might asleep on the floor sometimes, no Production Manager has ever slept, ever. True fact.
One reason i love this podcast is that youll get a question about rap beefs and one about bbc funding answered with equal enthusiasm within the same week.
(Also, Kendrick won handedly, but Drake's lyric "kendrick just opened his mouth, someone go give him a grammy right now" was very funny.)
For those trying to find the artist mentioned early on, he's spelled "Lee Madgwick".
4:07 David Mitchell once said that the BBC would not endorse sharing fake news footage for a show he was hosting on BBC3 for a show about news that people may miss, when shut away from the news for a week. The show was "The Bubble", and it was the first episode was with Victoria Coren (as she was back then), Reginald Delicious Hunter & Frank Skinner.
I so enjoyed that show, and remember how petty that seemed of the BBC. At the time, I understood why the show didn't go ahead, but thinking of it, now, it was kind of ahead of its time- perhaps with a little more footage of the celebrities holidaying together, it might be better received, now.
I love it when Richard says by and large 😂 I'm gonna start saying it
BBC Newsreader Kenneth Kendall played himself interviewing astronauts on BBC12 (uncredited) in 2001 A Space Odyssey. (1968) and had also played himself in Adam Adamant Lives in 1966. Cronkite wasn't until 1974.
Kendall also played himself reading the news in a Doctor Who episode which screened a month and a half before the Adam Adamant one. It was obviously his thing at the time!
I remember those... and thank you. I could see it in my head but couldn't remember his name.
More proof for me that in UK we increasingly ignorant of our own cultural history and more and more Americanised . Unfortunately.
For some time I've measured myself in units of Tom Cruise (1.02 Tom's btw).
Rapping beefs are just 2 grown men writing poetry to each other
Correct. Is there any deeper point to your comment?
@@daviebananas1735 That the uber-masculinity in it all is completely overblown?
@@archivalhorror The idea that art, poetry and rep are somehow feminine is absurd. Almost all poetry we know and was was written by men. Often the greatest men of their time. Poetry is not weak, it is strong.
Asking for a deeper point. I'll tell you to reverse
If you have a beef with me I suggest you speak in verse
Why you took the time to ask, surely no one knows
If you want respect for me the please reply in prose
Daviebanannas! A bitch on the internet!
Daviebanannas! Sounds fun, but fun he soon forgets
Daviebanannas! My rhymes fill him with regret
Daviebanannas! I hope you're not too upset
Asking for a deeper point I'll tell you to reverse
If you have some beef with me, then kindly spit in verse
Why you took the time to comment surely no one knows
If you want respect form me, I suggest you speak in prose
Davie Bananas! Is a b%tch on the internet.
Davie Bananas! Sounds fun, but fun he soon forgets
Davie Bananas! My sick rhymes makes him regret
Davie Bananas!.........I hope you're not too upset
@@daviebananas1735
Honourable mention for real press on screen is 1961s film The Day the Earth Caught Fire in which most of the entire staff of the Daily Express are featured, from print floor to the active Editor Arthur Christianson in a key role.
Good film too.
Oh that's a good film thanks for reminding me of it
It's been said already, but I love the podcast because I'm happy to listen to Richard and Marina talk about anything. They'd probably make the ingredients list on a baked bean can sound good. AND everything get equal enthusiasm. I can't think of any other that quite does that.
Star Wars was classically 'saved in the edit'; Marcia Lucas made several significant cuts and changed the story running order.
Oh indeed, and then written out of SW history by George because of the affair she had during the long and involved process that was The Empire Strikes Back.
I remember seeing a clip of mark hamill talking about some of the cut dialogue, I’m glad that Lucas had someone overseeing it or the original trilogy would have sounded like the prequels
Just wanted to say I found this podcast 3 days ago and loving it! Keep up the great work
As someone who is "not the talent" and also "not in a union" over the years, the hours I have worked. When I first worked as a tea boy at Trident Studios in St Anne's Court Soho, we did 10hr day shifts, 15hr night shifts, and 24hr weekend shifts. And it carried on from there. I remember one live event I worked on, we got into the venue at 15:00. We then worked solid all night and all the next day, which included installing all the tech and rehearsing, then went live at 20:00. Then we had to take all our tech from the venue so it was clear for the next company coming it at 9am the next day. None of us slept.
For the tech crew, ten-hour days were not unusual, plus travel. Unionised crew tended to work stricter hours. They were often lighting and sparks. Those of us in sound, or producing/directing, we worked whatever it took to hit the deadline and move on to the next project. In recording studios, especially back in the 1980s, all-nighters following working all day, were frequent.
I have a family member who worked as film crew for a while but the odd/long hours contributed to him being seriously ill; an underlying condition that the stress on his body brought out. Healthy but bored working in IT now.
There is a lot of hanging around, where no work is done. You earn more in a day than an NHS doctor in a week. Location work is crazy, 2 minutes of tape takes 2 days and costs a £1m. It is all a con, except when the stunt guys are involved, they are the unsung professionals.
The quiz show with probably the most questions and answers open to interpretation is Only Connect. I have often wondered if Victoria Coren-Mitchell has lots of notes/ spent hours reading around the subject or they just pause the filming for ten minutes whilst the question setters decide before they restart.
It's both. Jack Waley Cohen once said that writing only connect Qs is like writing material for a standup comedian - she has to be able to deliver the material and talk through the question in her style. So she will be on top of all of it. Disputes happen and they stop filming to discuss as Richard describes, but Victoria actually gets involved in these adjudication discussions which is pretty cool. You'll find many OC contestants reporting that she tried to argue in their favour when they raised an objection.
(actually, if anything, I'm underselling her role with that comment - she's doing a substantial amount of the adjudication herself, for example you'll hear her say things like "well I was lenient to your opponents so I'll allow that")
I love connect but feel sad for myself when I not only don't get the answer buy dont understand it even when it's explained.
@@jcairns200 Victoria continuing to be the best.
I always loved the bits of Countdown in About a Boy, it made that movie feel more real, unlike most Hugh Grant movies haha.
In Australian Rules Football, the Collingwood Football Club routinely overstated the height of their players, so much so that players around 5’10” came to be referred to as “Collingwood Six-Footers.”
Several years ago, my husband and I were in the audience for some Pointless episodes recording. One contestant had a face like thunder when his answer was rejected due to just slightly wrong by a letter - he clearly thought it was close enough.
On our way home by tube, he was on the train and he was telling everyone that would listen that he "was robbed"!
There will be accurate measurements for Dwayne Johnson somewhere from when he played American/Canadian football.
They are not accurate either! Nfl players regularly make out they are taller than they are. I've seen players up close who claim they were 5 10 and there was no way it was true.
YES PLEASE.... I WANT the "See You Next Tuesday" merch...!!
Regarding whether you can tell if a film is a turkey, speaking as crew, whilst I am an HoD and get asked to be expert in my area, I will have opinions on the show from working on the script in pre-production however, as with any book, it is an entirely subjective vision from my reading. As such, crew must be subject to the Directors vision rather than spend every day of the shoot second guessing and actually saying "well I wouldn't have done it that way". In our heads... certainly we are, however you must trust the process and the chain of command. The feel and emotion are down to the Director and the crew likely won't truly get that vision until they see the final product with the audience, which will have been altered yet further, especially in pace, by the Editor.
The crew of the original Star Wars openly hated it. Didn't get it at all but got on with the job to best of their abilities and ended up making one of most successful and game changing films of all time.
So in short, you shut up, do your utmost, guide where you can and, only if asked directly to do so, offer criticism.
Well all have huge egos so shutting up is best.
Rich knows his rap
What Gem 💎 this show is, I have only recently discovered it and I am already running out of episodes. Great conversation the sarcasm and wit are a joy keep it up 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👌🏼
Re:exploding cars, if you watch American crime and spy dramas on TV you can tell when a car full of bad guys are doomed when they are driving a car that's about 5 years old. So like everyone will be driving late model G Wagons and then 4 guys split off in a Honda Civic
Agree, the modestly priced older car is the red shirt of action movies.
He’s huge - walked pass us at Monster Gym in Cheshunt UK when over filming a F+F movie. He’s more than 6.1 by far.
Thank you for recognising Production Managers
I'll never forget the time someone called Haley Joel OSMENT "Haley Joel Osmond" on Pointless and it was accepted as a correct answer. The disgrace! Cancelled my TV licence straight after I made a furious complain to Ofcom! /s 😂😂
Kendrick Lamar made a similar mistake
@@TheRestIsEntertainment "Caress a Dick" is a classic
Great videos but introductions would be more appreciated to include what you do or have done to give some idea to viewers appreciation of your comments. Thanks both of you
I remember the surprise in the cinema in the first mission impossible film where Sky News were on it with their news reader
Dwayne Johnson is probably 6.3 - 6.4. Face to Face at Wrestlemania in April he is 2-3 inch taller than John Cena. Is Rock is 6 foot tops, that makes Cena 5.9-5.10 and he's is clearly bigger than that. In college is played defensive tackle and you don't get players on that position so small.
For my money I prefer to see newsreaders doing newsflash inserts on dramas because they just sound authentic but actors emote too much so sound fake. And i agree with Richard that the news editors would be best to write the script for the segment as, again, it adds to the realism.
There was a quiz which recently had a question about ketosis. The question assumed that it's a diet high in protein and that that's a defining characteristic of ketosis, but it's not. Those questions are a bit odd. There shouldn't be anything behind the question over which one can argue the toss.
The problem is that the local tv services cut content to slam adverts and you need to be in the proper subscription tier to access that content. I don't mind paying for specific sports content and some series are actually quite progressive in making their content available for a worldwide audience. I think Aunty Beeb should take notice to what ITV are doing with putting sports content on Tiktok.
Yeah, I actually think the weird practices of geofencing tv shows cause more problems than they solve. If the BBC owned more rights to their shows and were free to sell them abroad, the business case for giving people a convenient way to pay for things like old seasons of Top Gear or other popular content would be completely different. Do you want to pay £20 for season 16 of top gear? Yes, maybe, but if it’s currently on my local TV I might want to watch it for free. Pricing could be tweaked to preserve viewership for syndication, but it would offer the “shut up and take my money” option that could keep people away from piracy.
I'm a French former subscriber of "Globe iPlayer" (or something), and I am so annoyed that there is no other (legal) option for me than BBC Prime (bought as part of a largely uninteresting package). I do understand the financial rationale behind the current system. Still annoyed
Would it be worth you both wearing name badges? Possibly save some hassle
Are you for real? You can’t remember two names?
Van Jones put it best on twitter when he said that Kendrick didn't just hate Drake, he holds him as the villain of the culture. He doesn't just hate the idea that Drake is Drake, he hates the idea that the material conditions of the world allowed anyone to become Drake. "He wants no more Drakes forever."
Re:explosions/burning. Whatever is used to create the fire, it will not be petrol, which is far too volatile and unpredictable. It will be a gel or liquid that is very predictable in how it burns.
Fun fact, this even goes for 'log fires' or bonfires. The flames will actually be piped gas from a bottle, which is turned off between takes.
Fire is far too dangerous to be 'real' on a set.
I'm sure there's some good Mythbusters episodes involving professional explosions, demonstrating what they use.
Fall Guy the original TV show starts every episode with a voice over.
19:21 me sat in the USA wondering what my BBC America, BritBox, and Acorn subscriptions are… (also, fun factoid, on the West Coast we have cultural pockets that always say “USA” vs. “US” because of proximity to Mexico, which is officially The United States of Mexico. Also why we often say in Mexican/CA/SA Spanish that someone is estadounidense americano rather than just estadounidense).
You don't just say americano?
UTOF? That's UT F O (as in Untouchable Force Organization).
Sod the hardest working person. I want to know who is the hardest work!
Fairly sure they would discuss the rock again!
@@aotea6983 Until he gets in touch... I can't wait 😂
I heard on Smith & Sniff about a pub quiz that asked which was the biggest car manufacturer in the world. They asked the quiz master if it was car manufacturer or vehicle manufacturer, so he just cancelled the question and gave everyone the answer. At the time I believe Ford was the biggest vehicle manufacturer (loads of F150) but Toyota was the biggest car manufacturer. The answer had been Toyota, so the question was formulated correctly.
Now I'm intrigued to know of instances when an Exec Producer has had a dilemma to resolve. (Talent? Crew? Network?) The episode of Celeb Pointless with Kelvin MacKenzie presumably can't have been easy?
Big fan of Richard discussing rap beefs although it’s UTFO rather than UTOF….
Newsreaders. Monty Python. “Lemon Curry?”
Karen Gillan is 5'11 and The Rock is taller than her in every photo I've seen of them together. Especially ones with Kevin Hart with them for scale. 🤷♂️
5 feet 11 inches = 180 cm
I've been in the room with the rock and I'm 6'2". And he was about the same height as me, twice as wide though...
I think this is a bit of a myth. She’s 5’11’’ and all the photos of them together are with her in heels and he’s still a good few inches taller. He’s at least 6’2’’ if not taller. Probably shorter than 6’5’’ though.
She says she is 5'10", as does Celebrity Heights website.
is this Chael's best video ever??!
Off the top of my head, ok you don't have to correct me, it's certainly up there!
The Rock's wrestling height was billed at 6'5 because Vince McMahon would always scale heights and weights up. The Rock is probably a legit 6'2
Seen that photo of the Rock next to Charles Barkley and Shaq. Charles Barkley is 1.98cm. NBA player height has to be reliable, given how important that stat is for Basketball players.
Anyway Barkley is easily 13 cm, or more, taller. So I reckon Rock is 1.83 to 1.85m at most so 6 ft to 6.1 ft
Yeah - a shade under 6ft is what I’m thinking - but- that’s probably with wrestlers hidden insoles so take a half inch off that too!
Shaq has gone on record as saying he's only 6'11", but loved that he was listed as 7' because it sounds way cooler.
Answers on quiz shows - I remember Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen and his wife on WWTBA when there had been an issue with their answer being wrong. Question was - "Translated from the Latin, what is the motto of the United States?" They gave what the Latin actually means, not what the motto is, thus wrong answer.
I remember another one from WWTBAM when the question was the minimum number of strokes to win a tennis set and they'd completely forgotten that double faults exist. The actual correct answer (4) wasn't even an option.
1:51 The Rock was doing WHAT to Vin Diesel??
Pretty sure The Rock is approximately 6'0" tall, and Vin Diesel is 5'11" (give or take maybe half an inch depending on time of day).
I think in that picture you show at 2:34 that Vin is standing up a step on the patio or something.
RO on the beef ❤️
I expect one of the reasons we are seeing a lot of bad VFX is that it is now possible to do very cheap VFX, but it isn't very good (the cheapest option is to just type a prompt into an AI, but you'll have no control over how many fingers the people have on each hand...).
Even good quality VFX has got a lot cheaper, though, making a lot of things cheaper to do virtually than practically. There are entire TV shows shot on green screen because it was cheaper to make the sets on a computer than in real life. That's been true for while - Sanctuary was mostly green screen in 2008.
Regardless of what the height was "billed" as at the time, lest we forget, we did see Dwayne Johnson's full frame on camera relative to other men every week on TV for a solid 7 years. 😂
Hope Street was cofunded by Britbox and is shown all ovver the world. Liviing in Donaghadee where it is filmed we see tourists from Oz, South Africa, Canada, and elsewhere in the UK.
The War of the Worlds panic _is_ overblown but funnily enough, part of it is ascribed to it _being_ 1938 (i.e. people in the US were aware it was kicking off in Europe so tensions were _already_ high - at least some of those caught up in it actually assumed it was a foreign power rather than aliens).
As far as I remember, almost no one thought it was real, it was PR by the radio company themselves, after receiving complaints from people who thought broadcasting it as a real radio show was irresponsible.
sorry Richard the crew from the Roxanne saga was UTFO.
Question - on race across the world, how much of each countries currency do the contestants get? Thanks
I was hoping I might witness a squabble in the spelling round on an episode of House of Games I saw recently, but the answer given matched what the question setters were expecting, so the only controversy came from me shouting my protests at the televsion 😀-
The surname Schrödinger was the thing to be spelled. The answer given was 'Schrodinger', and this was the answer that was being sought. However it is arguably wrong - ö is not the same letter as o - and, moreover, the convention is to write it as oe if you can't find a way to print the two dots.
I remember the "Paranaimbo" episode and remember feeling terrible for the guy because he thought he smashed it.
There is a streaming channel called BBC America that we can subscribe to here in USA.
2:00 “candy ass” or “sweetie bum”, as we say in the UK.
The BBC should offer an iPlayer/UA-cam option for shows that aren't syndicated. Obviously Dr. Who rights should be signed away, but for a show like pointless, the options are: a small amount of streaming money, or zero in distribution rights while a small number of people watch unlicensed copies anyway.
Surely Pointless is syndicated? Why wouldn't it be? There is always a market for a decent game show.
I've checked Wikipedia and it says it is syndicated in Australia and South Africa. It is probably in a bunch of other places. The format has also been sold and there might be conditions in the contracts for the format to prevent two versions of the show competing with each other.
@@thomasdalton1508 I was thinking US specifically. For pointless here's no major licensing deal I'm aware of, and interest in the UK version has a very low ceiling. It's very UK-specific in subject matter.
Taskmaster is a good example of the right approach. They couldn't find an audience for syndication or a remake on network TV in the US, so they just released the back-catalog on UA-cam. A small ad-supported revenue stream is better than nothing at all.
@@andrew66862 You know UA-cam is available outside the US, right? If you put it on UA-cam, it's available everywhere. (There are options to geo-restrict UA-cam videos, but I don't think that's a great option.)
Taskmaster has a global audience not just through UA-cam. The format has been sold in a whole load of countries, including the US (they only made one series in the US, though). The UK version has also been sold in many countries, including the US (they didn't broadcast all the episodes they bought, though, since it didn't do very well). There is also a subscription service (Taskmaster Supermax+) that is available worldwide for people wanting to watch whole episodes ad free. The UA-cam channel isn't an alternative to other revenue streams. It is an addition to them and a way to market them.
speaking of real news presenters being on other shows, I remember the short lived series 'The Bubble' hosted by David Mitchell, produced by Hat Trick, in 2010, which had comedians locked away for 4 days, and then are shown news stories in the studio, they have to work out which are real and fake, ITN helped with this and had their real presenters and real graphics provide stories, but despite being on BBC TWO, BBC News refused to take part, from the wiki, 'A BBC spokesman said "We are sure The Bubble on BBC Two will be extremely funny but BBC journalists will leave it to the comedians to do the comedy," while critics of the decision pointed out that several of its presenters had taken part in other fictional shows before, and described it as a "sense of humour failure".The BBC boycott was featured as one of the news stories in the first episode, with nobody picking it as the real story.' It was a great series in 2010, I reckon a 2024 version could be developed, 2010 was pre tik tok, pre trump and 'fake news' in the way we know it now.
I seen richard recently saying about micro aggressions about his height and how he feels, then took the mickey about people's height
What's behind the increased popularity/presence of Australian TV in UK? It seems to be much more prevalent these days than US shows. Married At First Sight, Lego Masters, Traitors etc.
Traitors is originally Dutch and Lego Masters originally from UK!
@@KatPadmore Yes but the Australian versions of shows seem to be everywhere on UK TV.
@@kelvinfarrell119 aah, I thought you were asking why British TV kept making our own versions of Australian formats. My bad! I'd be interested to know too- maybe a combo of Australia making some extra good TV lately and our cultures being similar enough to relate to the content?
It’s all about the perspective…🤷♂️
The question about challenging the quizmaster reminded me of a pub quiz, a question was "who played Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars films?"
THAT'S RIGHT
Kevin Bacon?
Please could you let me know precisely where you discuss ‘How actors trick us into thinking they’re tall’…….. Surely this was the one thing you didn’t discuss? I’m not sure ‘telling a lie’ is what we were expecting here but an informed discussion about ‘lifts’ angles, props etc.
I remember an episode of Mastermind where a contestant was told his answer was wrong and he retorted "object" and Magnus Magnusson (appeared to?) immediately accept that the right answer had been given.
I went to a recording of celebrity mastermind a few years ago, and recording paused because Kellie Maloney objected to their answer being declared incorrect and very politely explained how to David Dimbleby, the studio did go quite tense though, and the recording had to resume to the millisecond.
To be fair Vin Diesel is on a step there. The Rock is around 6’1 ish maybe just over.
I thought he might be. Though Diesel used to work as a Bouncer, so I doubt he's terribly short.
@@damarcuscolfer1485Vin Diesel is 5’6’’. The Rock might be an actual midget.
Did you change the thumbnail from 'The Rock is a Short King' because the numbers weren't great?
The Rock must be 6ft 1 because Stone Cold Steve Austin is 6ft 1 and they are both the same height in the ring.
On an episode of Pointless, "Freddy Got Fingered" was a possible answer. But I knew they'd conveniently omit it and they did.
If I was a contestant, I'd be not best pleased 🤣
When did 6 foot become ‘short king’? Average is 5’ 9”. (Vlad, aged 45, 5’11” and feeling inadequate).
When one claims to be 6'5" though 😏
6' is tall
Absolutely gutted to hear a definitive answer about making iPlayer available globally! UK TV is the absolute best! Such bad news for absoute Anglophiles like me, stuck in an economically unworthy country.
Who wrote that on the thumbnail, there is no way either Richard or Marina are aware of the phrase "Short King"
Can confirm, it was me and not R&M - YT Admin Willbert.
What does Short King signify?
@@thebagelsproductionsit’s a kind way of just saying short man.
It's just like Marina explained in a previous episode, you employ the best editors to write your headlines. In this case Wilbert is down with the kids and knows what we crave
@@DSQueenie It feels more like a patronising way of saying short man. There is nothing unkind in the observation that a person is short.
They sold Dr Who to Disney+ but didn't sell to the Republic of Ireland 😢
But that bit about selling stuff just doesn't make sense. Almost no BBC programs are shown outside of the UK in that way. For the very, very, very, very few that are, just exclude them from being viewable outside of the UK.
Most shows include licensed copyrightable material ( IE Music, images etc.) The BBC would have to pay for a global license, as opposed to a UK only license, to use this material outside of the UK. It would be a cost that just isn't worth paying.
I seem to remember a pointless episode where one contestant gave an answer with an odd pronunciation, and the other contestant then gave the same answer with the correct pronunciation. It felt like you were stuck between a rock (6 ft1) and a hard place (size unknown) where you would have normally accepted the first answer, but was then forced to not accept it (if I remember correctly, the contestant that gave the 2nd answer just ended up looking like a petulant dick)
A lot of adverts in this episode
UTFO Richard
UTFO Richard ! not UTOF, oh no.. dont repeat it..oh and again
Maria's questions "bit" at the beginning is getting VERY old..
6 feet 5 inches = 196 cm
What a rubbish question from James
Am I first?!
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Nearly 20 minutes in and I am extremely bored
25ish mins and Ian asked a good question but unfortunately it wasn't really answered....shame
Plenty of other podcasts mate.
It's usually pretty decent but this one wasn't up to usual standards that's all. Thought they might appreciate the feedback
@@relayer27 It wasn’t really constructive criticism though. I found it all quite interesting. Just saying that you were bored by a portion of it really doesn’t aid anyone. Why were you bored? Is it the types of questions? Just saying you were bored, when no one knows who you are is meaningless? You could be bored because the question was about something you don’t like. It’s silly to think that simply saying you find something boring will be in any way helpful.
First 20 minutes was a discussion of the height of The Rock and some garbage about some rappers not exactly riveting content hence the boredom..... as my school report may have said ..must do better
Marina Hyde talks too fast…..
I love the 'wrong answer' on Jimmy Carr's 'I've Literally Just told you.'. He admitted the mistake at a live gig where the contestant was in the audience.
ua-cam.com/video/L4Mb6qepapQ/v-deo.html
So sweet!