Episode 56: Where does the Flood end? Position #1 Featuring Tim Clarey
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2023
- How many rock layers were formed by the Flood? Paul and Todd chat with Dr. Tim Clarey of the Institute for Creation Research about the Flood and the fossil record. Dr. Clarey has a Ph.D. in geology and has spent a great deal of time studying the rock record. This is part two in a four-part series.
Resources Mentioned in the Podcast
Tim Clarey, Carved in Stone. 2020. Institute for Creation Research
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Clarey, T.L., and D.J. Werner. 2018. Use of sedimentary megasequences to re-create pre-Flood geography. In Proceedings of the Eighth International Conference on Creationism, ed. J.H. Whitmore, pp. 351-372. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: Creation Science Fellowship.
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Clarey, T.L., and D.J. Werner. 2018. Global stratigraphy and the fossil record validate a Flood origin for the geologic column. In Proceedings of the Eighth International Conference on Creationism, ed. J.H. Whitmore, pp. 327-350. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: Creation Science Fellowship.
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Clarey, T.L. Great Unconformity Best Solved by Global Flood
www.icr.org/article/12988
For more articles and links to Tim Clarey’s publications go to the Institute for Creation Research Site at www.icr.org/tim_clarey/
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I’ve been impressed with how Dr Clarey is willing to go wherever the evidence takes him while being honest about what he had expected to find. It’s been a couple of continents since I last heard his findings, so it’s exciting to learn what he’s found in the world beyond the Grand Canyon.
Thanks for having him on!
Great show! I enjoyed this. Thank you for hosting this important series. Discussions between Young Earth Creationists of differing views is valuable.
I agree with Dr. Tim Clarey - the Flood/Post-Flood boundary must be higher (for at least 30 major reasons/lines of evidence). Many of these reasons (such as the massive coal seams) appear to preclude a lower flood boundary. None of the lower flood boundary challenges (such as mammal distribution) preclude a higher boundary. I have hosted many events on flood boundaries, and one of the most amazing lines of evidence for a higher boundary has to do with organic evidence (coal, amber, oil and natural gas, massive mammal bonebeds, etc.).
12-29% of coal is from the Tertiary. And some coal beds are 75 m thick. Coal must be heated up significantly, and it must be buried in many km's worth of sediments. All of this (plus more) would have to occur post-flood. How is this possible?
What about evidence from vertical tectonics? Late in the Cenozoic, we have evidence of mountains going up 40,000 feet. How did these catastrophic tectonic processes occur after the flood? The features we see above the K/T boundary are very clearly flood signatures. There is no way to get around the flood/post-flood boundary being really high in the rock record.
In addition to the coal seams, 15-19% of crude oil is from Tertiary sediments. How do you produce this much oil post-flood? The worldwide flood can explain the processes required to rapidly form coal, oil, and natural gas. To put the flood boundary lower, one must invoke catastrophic processes equal to that of the flood itself to explain this evidence!
Thank you again for this program. Great information! God bless.
That’s some really good information.
That’s some really good information.
So it is! I am currently gathering evidence that even the ice caps for the ice age were already produced during the flood
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That’s interesting.
I’ve been back and forth on snow and ice en mass pre-flood.
As far as fossil evidence, there seems to be a fair amount of tropical and warm climate fossils up north in Canada and in the arctic.
I would like to see the information you compile on this.
@@mmaimmortals Indeed, the mixed tropical fossils in the arctic climate is one of the reasons underpinning the build-up of ice sheets during the flood
Wow!
It's all so mind blowing isn't it?
When I noticed that this episode was posted tonight I rushed to finish what I was doing so I could listen.
I'm going back over this episode again before you do the next one. I want to really absorb what was put forward so I am ready for the next episode.
Thank you guys!
....happy Resurrection Day!
God bless.
This was great! Looking forward to the next episode in this series!
I love your show. I wanted to say that I am a Catholic who accepts the historical position of the Church on the age of the universe. It may be worth doing to have to an episode on the patristic teaching on this subject. As late as 1870, the Church published a version of the Christmas Proclamation (sung at the midnight Christmas Mass) which contained the lines:
"The year from the creation of the world,
when in the beginning God created heaven and earth,
five thousand one hundred and ninety-nine:"
In reference to the count from creation to Christmas. Thus, Christ was born in the 5199th year from creation. We have a long history of biblical teaching on this matter.
I am a Catholic who believes in a young earth as well. I have spoken with many seminary professors who agree with us as well, but they have to be quiet about their views lest the theistic evolutionists try to get them kicked out of their jobs.
I think an episode on the patristic and medieval views would be great. I’d be happy to come on and discuss that with Todd and Paul if they are interested.
I would wonder how you disentangle Rome's historical support for geocentrism, which appears to be as strong or perhaps stronger then the age of the earth.
God bless you guys! Thanks for these ☺️🙏✝️
Our pleasure! Thank you for your support!
Really good discussion.
Thanks, Paul, Todd, and Tim.
“Perhaps the biggest argument I need to address is maybe the statistical argument from the paleontologists...”
No, i don’t think so.
The Flood boundary is a geophysical event determined by geophysical mechanisms.
It’s decidedly not a biological event.
In other words, the biota didn’t put the deposits where they are.
The deposits put the biota (fossil record) where it is.
Great points brother. Looking forward to your upcoming Global Flood debate!
You are right. We really need to get in touch
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If you want to ask Donny for my email, you’re welcome to contact me that way.
@@mmaimmortals He gave me your number, and I have sent you an SMS
@@Saltrevolution
I haven’t received anything.
You might send an email instead.
Thank you guys!
Thankyou gentlemen
Thanks for this helpful presentation. One minor criticism - I was a little disappointed there were no visual aids during this video presentation. Of course, thanks for the links so I can get some help after the fact. (I hope its not too late to ask the next contributors to include some visual helps.) Along those lines, it would have been helpful to use some sort of visual aid, right up front, to help bring the audience somewhat to up to speed e.g. to define some of the recurring terms. I am guessing there are many like me, who cannot readily, at least in our minds, place a given geologic period into its historical context/framework. Lastly just a comment - as a proponent of the LXX chronology, I realize I am a minority. So, I pretty much know I will have to rethink and/or redo the math that most YEC scientists will advance for my own understanding. For example, I assume, if Dr. Clarey were to present measurements of erosion since the flood, he would be using the MT chronology. So, in that case, he would calculate using ~4500 years of time passed since the flood. Wouldn't it be nice (I think) if YEC scientists were more open-minded so as to include the possibility of a greater Biblical range (based on the LXX chronology)? In that case, we might see figures that also include calculations based on a ~5200 year difference in time from the flood until the present. On the smaller Biblical scale, that 700 year difference between MT & LXX may make a difference, especially if it may turn out to better match the observed measurements.
If you get that work done or find a link to someone who has feel free to post a link or the results.
Great! Thank you!
Nonsense!