Seeing as the MLD is often seen as a 'poor man's 4th gen', it's no surprise it's performing well, its certainly a stand out yet often underestimated platform. In my opinion should the R-73 get added it should receive them and be moved up in BR (it should move up irregardless lol, it eats f5cs like it's fucking nothing). A personal favorite of mine, gotta love the floggers.
as an ML flyer I agree I average 1.6kd in it from prior top tier experience but I see 90% of people flying it dont know how to notch radars, wish there was an ingame tutorial for each elevation in technology (missles, advanced radars etc.)
Th problem has been BR compression for years I don’t know why anyone suggests anything different. At least for air, powercreep started even before 1.85 which is just about 5 years ago and gaijin has ignored the most important feedback for MUH F14/16 and 70$ premiums, yet yesterday I couldn’t even LEAVE matches because the server was holding me hostage.
honeslty MLD is my fav plane ever, but theres something, idk if it is a bug but oh man i hate that, like when u are going to head on with a enemy i active the ACM but it locks into nowhere like if it were chaff but theres not any chaff in front of you, consequently u lose the head on fight
The MLD is currently my favorite Soviet aircraft. I'm literally stomping on hordes of F-14/F-16s with it in the simulator. The R-60M are already a little outdated (but still good), but the R-24R works surprisingly well (I am R-24T fan) considering that most people have a problem with SARH suppression. With a pair of R-73s it would be a monster. It would have to be moved to BR 11.7 or even 12.0, but I don't see it as a problem.
Look Mat, while you have some big point on what are you saying about the amount of missiles coming to you. However, you said something about blue teams and red teams. I play both Soviets and USA top tier atm and it's not usually USA vs Soviets... 90% of my games are a mixed bag of things , possibly with Soviet and USA planes in both sides. What i see, though, is that MM is uneven ... It may says USA both sides, one side being Tomcat the other being F-4J. You have planes like F-4E and EJ (and the premium one) that are the worse BVR thing currently, imho they are worse than an all-aspect MiG 21BiS or 23M/MF (not even touching MLD) in any case scenario... you have teams semi infested with any kind of Tornado. You have players in 23ML, which is the best premium ever currently and they don't know a thing about the game or air combat and they came to "ace combat" (not all of them, the majority though...) . You have F-4J UK players which are the same as 23ML , yet the plane is way more difficult in any aspect. I'm not saying Soviets or US here... the MM is a mixed bag of things, nor i am whining ... that goes for all of us. You can play in any "color" yet being in the "bad team". If you ask me the bad thing about Soviets are the ML players creating a situation we've seen again with the freebie MF...And it's not the ML being bad, it's the player. To add more,if there is Germany in one side only that means that team has many Tornadoes and it is a serious possibility those players to be generally new and in a bad jet for air combat...that means the other side has the better odds. It's tricky. I'm telling you this playing both sides...
I really dont think the MLD should go up in br. Personally, I really think that mig23 vs late phantoms/viggen/mirage III is a fair fight. It doesnt have the capabilities to fight 4th gen on their same level. It's one of the best 3rd gen by all accounts tho.
r60m is still a good missile, everyone just shoots them and expects insta kills, they needa remove the fbws on f16 and buff mig 29 fm, move max br to 12.0, and move f16 mig29 and f14, with addition to 9L on f14, also if r73 gets added, 9m should be added
They need 12.0 immediately for the new aircraft and tornado can stay 11.7 i suppose but anything basically 10.7 and above has a chance getting into a 11.7 and the f14 at 11.3 is still good but gets downtiered sometimes 12.0 would work more with the F14, F16(s), Mig 29, and JA37D. And maybe 11.7 Can be The mld, mla, and mirage 2000.
Nah I flew the MLD and the ML and I can tell you straight up that the MLD is superior in flight performance period. Better thrust to weight, AoA, and Stability. I don’t know how you see that the ML is better.
@@gtmike916 their thrust/weight is similar. Aoa and stability - maybe, it gives mld a few degrees angular speed, but costs a huge amount energy bleed. So in 1v1 fights mld is superior, yes, but in mass fights mld is just a more easy target
Does not matter. Pretty much goes down to who has the Americans on the team. I don't even think that the f14/f16 are too op there's just too many of them at the moment that it just doesn't cut it when your team has 2-3 good jets and the rest are B tier strike craft.
@@jkmjkm3663 true the f16 usa has isn’t even the best one it’s just that usa lacks a top tier premium so it’s a team of f14 and f 16 versus a team of mig 23 s and f104s and like 4 mig 29s
F-4EJ and mirage2k. Mirage 2k is actually on par with the f16, arguably better than the f16. The f4j simply has a good radar and it's a missile truck that is very hard to beat at longer ranges.
In 1vs1 situation I'd bet on mld/m2000. Both lacks aim7f level of bvr performance but you can neglect it by flying low. Both are really competent in a dogfight, but in different ways (incredible 1 circle performance of a m2000 and 2 circle for a mig). Both are fast and can chase down any 3rd generation enemy. But for a massive fight at the beginning of an air rb match I'd choose f4s/j because of an incredible bvr performance of the aim7f/hmd combination, it is a huge sparrow truck and it allows to get much more trird party kills, it just lacks performance of a proper fighter to kill somebody who knows how to fight in a fair duel
eae mano, eu peguei o mig-23ml, eu só uso o r-24t não consigo usar o r-24r, é por causa do radar do mig-23ml que é inferior eu vejo que o modo é diferente na sua gameplay? geralmente eu dou o lock no target lanço o missil e nada, o problema do r-24t é que ele tem pouca resistencia a flare
That's because MiG-29 players are former MLD players, and MLD players have no idea how to fly a plane. You're used to just turning as hard as you can in full afterburner 24/7 and eventually getting behind your opponent. The MiG-29 doesn't work like that, it takes at least SOME level of thinking to play; but again... 29 players are MLD players that fly like mindless zombies. Every single aircraft you've ever played in the Soviet tree requires no skill. Just max turn and WEP and you win. It ruined you guys. You have no skill because of it
@@OnlyonXBOXONE Really? Because the American planes generally turn like boats and have among the lowest climb rates in the game lmao Some of them are good energy fighters; but you can't be a dumbass and energy fight. That actually requires paying attention to your speed, knowing when to go vertical and when not, knowing when to turn hard and when to fly straight. You can't just keep on turning and burning like the entire Soviet tree
@@PotatoeJoe69 You're probably some of the people that said that Mig-29 shouldn't get r-73, and then proceeded to, write an essay on why America is #1, and other nations are bad. So please just keep on enlightening me.
@@OnlyonXBOXONE I'm an Italian main, but I'll give you an A for effort. If you would like to discuss reality, then perhaps yes, American air power is most definitely superior since the 1960's, and the Americans are the ONLY ones who have the combat records to prove it. All the rest can only speculate, or have performed poorly in combat. Good on you for bringing that topic up. I'll keep laughing as I watch clueless Russian mains try to fly a good plane, but which requires skill, get absolutely devastated because they have no idea what to do.
Here a personal list for de compression UwU: A-4N should at 10.3 I swerm per god this plane is Soooo OP. MiG-19 and F-100 need again that 9.7. av-8s, Harrier Gr.1 and Gr.3 need 10.3. MiG-21S need 10.0. MiG-21S-PKS (ink that Germány mig) need 10.3. Mig-21s with 4xr-60s need 11.0. Lightning F.6 should get a buff on the flight model, in Real life couldnt reach mach 1 in a vertical climb, nothing more to say..... 10.7. Hunter.... Well...... Remove Sraam and put him AIM-9Bs and give him 9.3, Hunter F.6 was never use sraam in a real combat, that was a pylon for the concept of the sraam. Mirage III's need 11.0. F-8E 11.3. F8U 11.0. J-35A 10.7. J-35D 11.0. J-35SX 11.3. F-4F early 11.3. F-4F 11.3. A-10s (both) 11.3 SU-25 11.3 F-4C can recive flares.... 11.3. F-4EJ and ADTW 12.0. F-4E 12.3. MiG-21bis 12.7. Sea Harrier 12.0. Harrier Gr.7 13.0. F-4J 13.0. T-2 10.0. F-1 10.7. FG.1/FGR.2 12.3. Kfir C.2 11.7. F-4EJ Kai ⚔️ 13.3. Mirage 2000 13.7 MiG-23MLA/ML/MLD 13.7. MiG-29 14.0. F-14 14.0. F-16 (need a buff of the AOA, can pull 25° and 13Gs in real life but that was never used, the pilots was limited the Gs to 10Gs for clearly reason but can that AOA at high speeds and at low speeds 35° of AOA reaching a little bit less turn than the draken but really good turn, with that) 12.3 has the king of top tier, at this point the F-14 and the MiG-29 can recive AIM-9L and R-73. thats my personal decompression, tell me in the comments what you think about that, sorry for my trash einglish.
Seeing as the MLD is often seen as a 'poor man's 4th gen', it's no surprise it's performing well, its certainly a stand out yet often underestimated platform.
In my opinion should the R-73 get added it should receive them and be moved up in BR (it should move up irregardless lol, it eats f5cs like it's fucking nothing).
A personal favorite of mine, gotta love the floggers.
MLD is still amazing and I partly agree with those aircraft should be 11.7 but, it is also true that MLs are dropping winning rate of soviet.
as an ML flyer I agree I average 1.6kd in it from prior top tier experience but I see 90% of people flying it dont know how to notch radars, wish there was an ingame tutorial for each elevation in technology (missles, advanced radars etc.)
@@chickenjoe427 the plane isn’t the problem, its the level 20 pilots flying them
@@aleski6506that’s exactly what they said
@@zestycitrus5346 stay mad lv20
I think the major problem is BR compression, not the top tier aircraft of other nations.
Th problem has been BR compression for years I don’t know why anyone suggests anything different. At least for air, powercreep started even before 1.85 which is just about 5 years ago and gaijin has ignored the most important feedback for MUH F14/16 and 70$ premiums, yet yesterday I couldn’t even LEAVE matches because the server was holding me hostage.
just met you in a rocky canyon match, it was fun playing with you, good luck getting footage on the new vid
thanks man! :)
honeslty MLD is my fav plane ever, but theres something, idk if it is a bug but oh man i hate that, like when u are going to head on with a enemy i active the ACM but it locks into nowhere like if it were chaff but theres not any chaff in front of you, consequently u lose the head on fight
I get that with my ej Kai all the time
If you’re going head on then you need to use MTI Search Mode. Makes head ons much more easier.
02:13 that UH has sounded sus...xd
He does it alot glad I'm not the first to notice
The MLD is currently my favorite Soviet aircraft. I'm literally stomping on hordes of F-14/F-16s with it in the simulator. The R-60M are already a little outdated (but still good), but the R-24R works surprisingly well (I am R-24T fan) considering that most people have a problem with SARH suppression. With a pair of R-73s it would be a monster. It would have to be moved to BR 11.7 or even 12.0, but I don't see it as a problem.
Look Mat, while you have some big point on what are you saying about the amount of missiles coming to you.
However, you said something about blue teams and red teams. I play both Soviets and USA top tier atm and it's not usually USA vs Soviets... 90% of my games are a mixed bag of things , possibly with Soviet and USA planes in both sides. What i see, though, is that MM is uneven ... It may says USA both sides, one side being Tomcat the other being F-4J. You have planes like F-4E and EJ (and the premium one) that are the worse BVR thing currently, imho they are worse than an all-aspect MiG 21BiS or 23M/MF (not even touching MLD) in any case scenario... you have teams semi infested with any kind of Tornado. You have players in 23ML, which is the best premium ever currently and they don't know a thing about the game or air combat and they came to "ace combat" (not all of them, the majority though...) . You have F-4J UK players which are the same as 23ML , yet the plane is way more difficult in any aspect. I'm not saying Soviets or US here... the MM is a mixed bag of things, nor i am whining ... that goes for all of us. You can play in any "color" yet being in the "bad team".
If you ask me the bad thing about Soviets are the ML players creating a situation we've seen again with the freebie MF...And it's not the ML being bad, it's the player. To add more,if there is Germany in one side only that means that team has many Tornadoes and it is a serious possibility those players to be generally new and in a bad jet for air combat...that means the other side has the better odds. It's tricky.
I'm telling you this playing both sides...
^ stroke on a keyboard
@@blazjurkovic4056 ^ useful comment
Do anyone who wants to fly high but is worried about phoenixes and I aim 7s consider using an IR guided-missile to shoot them down
F-14, F-16, Mig-29, mig 23, Mirage 2000, and the new Viggen should to to 12.0
I really dont think the MLD should go up in br. Personally, I really think that mig23 vs late phantoms/viggen/mirage III is a fair fight. It doesnt have the capabilities to fight 4th gen on their same level. It's one of the best 3rd gen by all accounts tho.
I notice (idk if it is a bug) when u are in mti or lD mode and use the acm, for some reason change to search mode.
How long time do u think till german mig 29a?
r60m is still a good missile, everyone just shoots them and expects insta kills, they needa remove the fbws on f16 and buff mig 29 fm, move max br to 12.0, and move f16 mig29 and f14, with addition to 9L on f14, also if r73 gets added, 9m should be added
@Dia de Sorte 9L is litterally the same as r60m
@@mr.abrams8112 9L is way more flare resistant and relatively has much longer range
9m would be to op as of now. wait for f15 myb
9m have stronger Irccm that the 9L or the R-27T, we dont need AIM-9M yet, we need AIM-7P on this coming patch, R-27ET and
@@mr.abrams81129l has an effective range of like 1.5-5.5km in my personal experience whereas the r60m has an effective range of like 1km-3km
MatAWG, whats your bind for wing sweep / manual setting??
the Radar absolutely sucks, it looses it on even flares, thats so weird
Cuando le ponen el Peyton 3 o un misil todo aspecto al Kfir C7
Aim 9l doesn’t go for flares whatsoever
They need 12.0 immediately for the new aircraft and tornado can stay 11.7 i suppose but anything basically 10.7 and above has a chance getting into a 11.7 and the f14 at 11.3 is still good but gets downtiered sometimes 12.0 would work more with the F14, F16(s), Mig 29, and JA37D. And maybe 11.7 Can be The mld, mla, and mirage 2000.
I can’t lock targets at like more than 11km in mig 29. Is it meant to be like this or am I stupid?
Will MLA also get the R60M 4th Gen?
F14 should especially go to 11.7. That thing does not need aim9l as of now.
Do you think the range under planes get removed but name marker stays?
Dunno, MLD have very strange flight perfomance and wing management compare to MLA/ML - they feels much better, IMO
Nah I flew the MLD and the ML and I can tell you straight up that the MLD is superior in flight performance period. Better thrust to weight, AoA, and Stability. I don’t know how you see that the ML is better.
@@gtmike916 their thrust/weight is similar. Aoa and stability - maybe, it gives mld a few degrees angular speed, but costs a huge amount energy bleed. So in 1v1 fights mld is superior, yes, but in mass fights mld is just a more easy target
Guys which do you think is the best 11.3 fighter without counting the F-14: MIG-23MLD, F-4EJ Kawai UwU or Mirage 2000.
I would say f4ej Kai because of aim9Ls and aim 7f(same missiles as f4j and f14) and it has an f16 radar
Does not matter. Pretty much goes down to who has the Americans on the team. I don't even think that the f14/f16 are too op there's just too many of them at the moment that it just doesn't cut it when your team has 2-3 good jets and the rest are B tier strike craft.
@@jkmjkm3663 true the f16 usa has isn’t even the best one it’s just that usa lacks a top tier premium so it’s a team of f14 and f 16 versus a team of mig 23 s and f104s and like 4 mig 29s
F-4EJ and mirage2k. Mirage 2k is actually on par with the f16, arguably better than the f16. The f4j simply has a good radar and it's a missile truck that is very hard to beat at longer ranges.
In 1vs1 situation I'd bet on mld/m2000. Both lacks aim7f level of bvr performance but you can neglect it by flying low. Both are really competent in a dogfight, but in different ways (incredible 1 circle performance of a m2000 and 2 circle for a mig). Both are fast and can chase down any 3rd generation enemy.
But for a massive fight at the beginning of an air rb match I'd choose f4s/j because of an incredible bvr performance of the aim7f/hmd combination, it is a huge sparrow truck and it allows to get much more trird party kills, it just lacks performance of a proper fighter to kill somebody who knows how to fight in a fair duel
The MLA got R60Mk's Whats the difference between that and the R60M's?
None, they are just an export version
eae mano, eu peguei o mig-23ml, eu só uso o r-24t não consigo usar o r-24r, é por causa do radar do mig-23ml que é inferior eu vejo que o modo é diferente na sua gameplay? geralmente eu dou o lock no target lanço o missil e nada, o problema do r-24t é que ele tem pouca resistencia a flare
usa o usa o modo de radar normal sem ser o MTI, locka no inimigo dispara o r24r se o radar lockar no chaff não tenta tirar e lockar no inimigo dnv
Different plane but I have never lost a dogfight to a mig 29 I’m my mla it’s so ez to dogfight. F16 however is a bit more worthy.
That's because MiG-29 players are former MLD players, and MLD players have no idea how to fly a plane. You're used to just turning as hard as you can in full afterburner 24/7 and eventually getting behind your opponent. The MiG-29 doesn't work like that, it takes at least SOME level of thinking to play; but again... 29 players are MLD players that fly like mindless zombies.
Every single aircraft you've ever played in the Soviet tree requires no skill. Just max turn and WEP and you win. It ruined you guys. You have no skill because of it
@@PotatoeJoe69 Wow same thing can be said about American Tree.
@@OnlyonXBOXONE Really? Because the American planes generally turn like boats and have among the lowest climb rates in the game lmao
Some of them are good energy fighters; but you can't be a dumbass and energy fight. That actually requires paying attention to your speed, knowing when to go vertical and when not, knowing when to turn hard and when to fly straight. You can't just keep on turning and burning like the entire Soviet tree
@@PotatoeJoe69 You're probably some of the people that said that Mig-29 shouldn't get r-73, and then proceeded to, write an essay on why America is #1, and other nations are bad. So please just keep on enlightening me.
@@OnlyonXBOXONE I'm an Italian main, but I'll give you an A for effort.
If you would like to discuss reality, then perhaps yes, American air power is most definitely superior since the 1960's, and the Americans are the ONLY ones who have the combat records to prove it. All the rest can only speculate, or have performed poorly in combat.
Good on you for bringing that topic up. I'll keep laughing as I watch clueless Russian mains try to fly a good plane, but which requires skill, get absolutely devastated because they have no idea what to do.
F16 still solos
Here a personal list for de compression UwU:
A-4N should at 10.3 I swerm per god this plane is Soooo OP.
MiG-19 and F-100 need again that 9.7.
av-8s, Harrier Gr.1 and Gr.3 need 10.3.
MiG-21S need 10.0.
MiG-21S-PKS (ink that Germány mig) need 10.3.
Mig-21s with 4xr-60s need 11.0.
Lightning F.6 should get a buff on the flight model, in Real life couldnt reach mach 1 in a vertical climb, nothing more to say..... 10.7.
Hunter.... Well...... Remove Sraam and put him AIM-9Bs and give him 9.3, Hunter F.6 was never use sraam in a real combat, that was a pylon for the concept of the sraam.
Mirage III's need 11.0.
F-8E 11.3.
F8U 11.0.
J-35A 10.7.
J-35D 11.0.
J-35SX 11.3.
F-4F early 11.3.
F-4F 11.3.
A-10s (both) 11.3
SU-25 11.3
F-4C can recive flares.... 11.3.
F-4EJ and ADTW 12.0.
F-4E 12.3.
MiG-21bis 12.7.
Sea Harrier 12.0.
Harrier Gr.7 13.0.
F-4J 13.0.
T-2 10.0.
F-1 10.7.
FG.1/FGR.2 12.3.
Kfir C.2 11.7.
F-4EJ Kai ⚔️ 13.3.
Mirage 2000 13.7
MiG-23MLA/ML/MLD 13.7.
MiG-29 14.0.
F-14 14.0.
F-16 (need a buff of the AOA, can pull 25° and 13Gs in real life but that was never used, the pilots was limited the Gs to 10Gs for clearly reason but can that AOA at high speeds and at low speeds 35° of AOA reaching a little bit less turn than the draken but really good turn, with that) 12.3 has the king of top tier, at this point the F-14 and the MiG-29 can recive AIM-9L and R-73.
thats my personal decompression, tell me in the comments what you think about that, sorry for my trash einglish.
It's a good decompression, idk if the matchmaker would suffer in terms of time to find games but it if not this is a good example.
hi
Its worst plane I ever played
Great all my US teammates can die ever quicker now
their just too good but i cant kill shit