I own the Kel-Tec PMR-30 and now the Smith & Wesson 22 magnum both are great guns. I will say though with the Kel-Tec right out the box I was having feeding and failure to eject issues and I had shot over 300 rounds of CCI 40 grain ammo. Reached out to Kel-Tec sent the gun back, no cost out of my pocket and they resolved my issue's.With the Smith&Wesson I've shot just a hundred rounds so far with no issues. I love both guns very fun to shoot
The reason for the fireball is because the 22 WMR was initially designed for a 17 inch rifle barrel, so the powder is going out the end of the pistol barrel while it is still burning. The pressure for the WMR and 22LR are exactly the same at 24,000 psi. I've got the 3 22 Mags in the safe (revolver, semi pistol, semi rifle) Looks like I might soon have another. - Also need to get a lever gun in 22 wmr.
For example, if someone shoots your tire with either .22LR or WMR, the resulting psi will be the same. As to muzzle energy, Magnum is over doble that of LR.
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For a 22WMR pistol, I recommend shooting Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 40 gr JHP. It is actually designed for the shorter barrel. You get less fireball because it burns off in the barrel. When shooting a pistol with ammo designed for a rifle, you get a lot less velocity and a much bigger fireball.
I have to wonder what Speer has done to claim it's designed for a shorter barrel. Or is it just marketing to catch the recent introduction of new WMR's hitting the market. Not putting them down but the only thing would be the powder, it seems.
I've watched several videos on this pistol. Some have had failure to feed issues ( but infrequently). There is a commonality in ALL the videos.....a giggle followed by a big smile. Enjoyed your video.
Just picked one up about a week ago and it shoots the heavy stuff great! The lighter stuff not so much. Still, it's a great gun with more power than I would have thought. I lubed it up some and it ran the light stuff too. Drops steel plates just fine. Not as serious as my 10mm but that is a different animal all together.
@@nodescriptionavailable3842I’m with you, I put that WMR in my Heritage RR and man was I pleasantly surprised, what a mea ass little round. And my rifle uses the same ammo and of course it’s even meaner out of a rifle. 🐾✌️🇺🇸
It would be interesting to know what the actual velocity is coming out of that handgun. The listed velocity is assuming a longer barrel like you would get from a riffle. I have had a Kel Tec PMR 30 for a few years and have put a few thousand rounds down range without any failure to feed. The keep is properly loading the mags. I look forward to seeing a head to head comparison between this and the PMR 30. This looks like it was inspired by the PMR 30.
@davidmack4185 Yeah, I'm having a bit of a hard time believing him, but will give the benefit of the doubt because internet. Rimfire in general is likely to malf sooner or later due in no part to the gun, at the very least. I have two Kel-Tecs- KSG and RDB. The former is picky with shell brands/types and the latter ran 2k rounds flawlessly until the hammer snapped. I like Kel-Tec, but don't trust their guns one fat smidge. I've heard the same negative thing you said about the old Walther PP series- expensive and not always reliable, but they sure look cool! I don't have one, but do have some cheap Hungarian clones of it- Two PA63s in 9x18 and one in 380. After Wolff Spring ugrades to them, none have failed. Maybe a spring upgrade for your Walther is in order.
@@tangolima6462 keltec has great idea....if only they worked. i call that a golden opportunity. though the foldy 9mm carbine thing i feel looks atrocious. This Near PMR30 seems pretty nice though.
I like 22 Magnum and I have a rifle and pistol chambered in 22 WMR. You are gaining 40 ft lbs of energy in a 5" pistol barrel 22 mag over a 22 LR. It's significant. But 22 WMR really shines out of a longer barrel; doubling and nearly tripling the energy of 22LR. Ballistics by the Inch has great test data. It's worth thinking about.
Looking forward to your comparison of this Smith and Wesson, the Walther WMP, and the Kel Tec PMR30. When you do that please include a discussion of how easy or difficult it is to load the magazines without causing a rim lock.
I've owned a PMR 30 for several years which is a fine little 22 mag. in my opinion.....however, this is a new deal all together. I'm getting one very soon and I can't wait to try it out. Since this is a hammer fired gun the trigger is much better than the Kel tec.......I tried it yesterday. Thanks for the video Plinkster.....good job as always man!
Get Your Facts strait my friend, the PMR30 is also a Hammer Fired Handgun! This S&W, I'm Sure is a Fine Quality Gun But Just a Copy of the PMR30 which is Now a Proven Great 22Magnum Handgun! "Greatest of all Time", I don't Think So!
@@stevekatz4372 You are correct that the PMR 30 is a hammer fired gun. I did not have my facts 'straight' on that. However is is not a copy of the Keltec. It has a totally different operating system....if its a copy of anything it would be of their M&P 5.7, which, I believe, has the same Tempo shrouded barrel system. Time will tell as to whether it's the 'Greatest of all time' I'm sure.
I had a Taurus 8 shot with first wife, she kept the pistol, I kept the 1000 plus rounds of ammo when we split. I've wanted another for years but in semi auto, and just hated the look and feel of the Kel tec. If not for cancer this looks like a winner I'd like to own, what a life lesson, get what you want when you can cause tomorrow might not happen. Great review, got a subscribe from me.
very happy with my wmp the controls…THE CONTROLS!!! having half a thumb on my left and dominant hand the mag releases!!! and love the trigger pull I throw tacks with that meat wagon
I think the problems with this gun is the mags, I know loading the kel tec mags is kinda tricky and when I have failures it’s usually my fault loading the dam mags lol. Thought for sure u we’re going to touch on that… great video as always plinkster👍👍
I have had the PMR for about 12 years, also a CMR for about 8 years. Last week I ordered two steel feed ramps from MCarbo. If that fixes the feed issues withthe PMR, then I am keeping it. The feed issues with the CMR are rare, but does happen. If the feed issues are not solved, then one of these pistols will be next.
I did the entire PMR Mcarbo upgrade kit, with the stainless steel feed lips. Mine runs like a champ! I replaced everything myself and it was difficult getting everything to line up together correctly putting it back, but I did it, and I'm proud to carry it, with my drone bag, when I'm out flying and it's nice to have a reliable pistol with lots of extra ammo just in case...
It is a bit tricky to do the Mcarbo kit but the video is very good. Mine didn’t run at first but the screws were too tight- and I really didn’t think I over tightened them.
.22wmr has the same pressure as the .22LR. But uses a slower powder. Since the case is very long, this creates problems in blowbacks. Tapping gas from such a low pressure usually don't work well either, since it tends to get dirty fast. At least that is my understanding of this.
You are exactly right. They both have very similar pressure numbers, which is around 24,000 psi. The only difference is the .22 magnum has a longer case to accept more powder. Therefore, the .22 magnum hits harder and has a flatter trajectory.
@@CandidZulu Yes, it does use a slower burning powder, but the longer case on the magnum allows it to shoot flatter and hit harder, because of more powder capacity on .22 magnum.
I've had mine for about a month now. About 300 rounds through it. Of those 300 rounds I've had about 80 failure to feed. Not an exaggeration. It definitely does not like Armscor 40gr. jhp (ftf every 3-4 rounds). Better with CCI 40gr. jhp (ftf every 8-9 rounds) and better yet with Speer 40gr. gdhp (ftf every 12-15 rounds). Break-in period? We'll see.
I have 3 pistols that shoot the 22wmr including the Smith tested here and they have all had failures to feed etc. They get somewhat better with break-in and they are great fun to shoot and the fireball is entertaining. But trust? Hmm...
Yeah, my S&W has lost my trust. Fires at BEST 3 rounds before failure to feed. Did they design this weapon to get better with age? Glad S&W doesn't make cars!
I'm in love with my Walther WMP as well. 15 Round mag limit is fine considering some States like Colorado have a 15 rd mag limit, so don't see me buying a S&W to take back to Colorado when I visit my family there.
Just got one a few weeks ago and was really excited. Remington ammo jammed like crazy (FTF) and so did Federal 50 grain HP. I did some honing of the bolt face and the ramp then the Remingtons feed now but Federal 50gr ammo is still a no go. Hornady 30-40 grain ammo works just fine. CCI 40 grain ammo is great too. Magazines are flimsy plastic. I can only get 29 rounds in mine with any brand of ammo and I suspect the mags could be a cause of feeding issues. Accuracy at 25yds is nothing to brag about. My trigger is a lawyer trigger. It's, heavy with creep and a lot of travel on the reset. I love the pistol in that caliber but a little more work needs to go into that pistol. S&W - plastic mags?? Come on Smith! I see some have had better experiences and mine may be a fluke but I am NOT happy with my M&P 22WMR - yet!.
Great video, Big fan of .22Mag. I have many. I carry a NAA 22Mag. I do think to many under estimate this round. I have the same Riton Optic on my Ruger MarkII and love it. Boe
I really like this weapon and would love to own one, but I am baffled (no pun intended) on why they did not thread the barrel for a suppressor. The new barrel system is almost identical to the new S&W 5.7 and its barrel is threaded. Maybe (hopefully) S&W will come out with a threaded barrel for this model or maybe the Gen. 2... Thanks for your videos, I really enjoy them and you do a great job explaining the pros & cons of each weapon you feature in your videos. God bless you for your diligence.
i must have just gotten lucky, as my PMR-30 hasn't had any problems since day 1, no aftermarket kits, all factory and will magdump 30grain cci tnt ammo all day without any issues. ya its a huge fireballer, but seems to be a fluke as most seem to have problems.
In my opinion I think it's just a hit or miss with quality control with the PMR-30 after sending mine back to Kel-Tec they resolved my issues now the gun runs flawlessly. I love shooting my Smith & Wesson 22 magnum and my Kel-Tec. Both of them throw a very nice Fireball
I love mine, we shot 100 rounds through it and we're laughing the whole time...we had so much fun. No recoil and you could drive a tack at 20 yards...so crazy accurate.
This may be the best 22 mag semi auto pistol. But, I have a KelTec pmr30, I like it,it shoots my ammo I buy. If the S&W OR WALTHER HAD been out when,I,purchased my 30, I would have compared. I have some S&W and a Walther both 22 lr and 38s, but, I neither buy because of name or someone else’s recommend. That’s just me and I wish all 22 mag pistol/revolver buyers the best, much fun, and a happy journey in,life. Oh, plinkster, keep up the great videos. Oh my Remington 597 22 mag rifle is great too!
I remember all of the rave reviews about the Sig P322, based on review pistol reviews. I bought one and regret it. I’m not saying S&W is the same kind of company as Sig, but I think Honest Outlaw’s experience is going to be much more the norm with this pistol than 22 Plinkster’s. I will wait on this, let you all test it in the wild, and see if anyone still likes it 6 months from now. It may need some chamber polishing, may just need to be broken in, or it may just be hard to make those long skinny rounds feed in a production pistol.
Check out Honest Outlaw's review on 5 weapons not to buy, and in that video, he had a Kel-Tech KS7. He said/showed it fall apart during firing it. He didn't have the magazine tube end cap screwed on or barely on. This made it "fall apart" That's pretty skewed and unfair in my opinion, regardless of which weapon it is. Same goes for shooting it "right out of the box". No inspection? didn't read the manual? And...NO LUBE. Who the hell does that? Too many gun tubers do this then show the weapon not working properly. Lubricate the weapon. It's mechanical. It's also in the manual. Just saying.
@@Turbogto_guy A barrel that leads up, constant light strikes, and magazines that have twice the capacity, but take 8 times longer to load than my Ruger. You CAN load them faster than that, but if you do, you will have stovepipes and various other feeding issues.
My wife bought herself a S&W M&P 22 a few years ago. She is comfortable handling and shooting it. Good quality gun and fun to shoot. The quality of the ammo is ALWAYS the problem I've seen with .22 caliber bullets hanging up or misfiring. (She is also a better shot than I am...) She wouldn't trade it for anything.
I have always wished the PMR-30 actually worked. If this turns out to actually work (in the real world not in high profile youtube videos) it is a game changer for a lot of people. I hope Sig Comes out with a version of their P322 in 22 mag now too.
@@Valorius if theres no name, the comment was intended for the OP. My comment was intended for the OP asking for Sig to make a 320 in .22 Magnum, which likely wouldn't work, hence me saying it would be a unique action with unique parts. Lemme also add since you've wasted my time, much like the P322 it would be a new model that doesnt share a frame or anything with existing weapons, merely some styling choices.
When you compare all of the .22 WMR pistols, please spend some time on the magazines and their reliability. My PMR-30 runs a lot better thanks to MCARBO but the magazines can still be a pain.
Great review, thanks for sharing. The first one I saw caught my eye. After seeing this it is on bucket list for my gun of the year. If you ever get to Florida look me up. I am south of Tampa in Sarasota some of the best Tarpon fishing and big snook so come on down.
This & the Springfield Echelon is my next pistol!!!! What a fun kick ass pistol!! The only thing is the price of .22 win mag, I have been buying it non stop almost 3 years, I have a bolt action wimpy 5 round magazine .22 win mag to match my son's .22 winchester Rascal!
It's pretty sweet. Now all they need to do is make a carbine to match it, and takes the same mags. Like keltec did with theirs....and ruger did with their 5.7. Ohhhh and make a threaded barrel for it to.
I love the S&W polymer line. My only complaint is how the front end of the polymer lower tends to droop, whether out of the box or after some shooting with a hot barrel, I don't know. I'm also curious what the purpose of the rectangular cut-outs above the picatinny rail on the lower is. If only for weight reduction, I wish they would have left the smooth lines. I think I can lift that little bit of polymer.
What are you talking about? I have several polymer s&w pistols, and none of them nor any that I've ever seen have had that problem. I'm literally holding a first Gen m&p that has fired no joke 15,000 rds, most of which in competition, and it looks brand new. I'm calling BS.
@@BD-fx8wv You can see it in picture after picture, video after video. Towards the front the polymer is drooping like the gun has a mouth. Maybe you've been lucky or just have the shorter pistols. You can "call BS", but I know what I am seeing with my eyes, and your specimens do not refute my observations in other specimens. Open your eyes from here on and you'll see what I'm talking about.
@@TacShooter open my eyes? Okay dude. Maybe provide proof, since you've seen so much. I looked around and haven't found shit. Enlighten me. I'm assuming you're just a glock fanboy that can't bear the fact that they paid as much, if not more, for a lesser gun.
Curiosity has got me, do you really get the performance out of a 22 mag. from a shorter barrel? Definitely gives you more muzzle flash and noise but does it really give you anymore punch?
i have a RIA 22 mag and really enjoy it. Run some different ammo through a chronograph and the numbers are slower than posted on the boxes. The numbers were closer when I used a 22 mag bolt action. Steve
It’s because they print rifle barrel velocity on the boxes, some rifle cartridges ammo makers are so deceptive they don’t even tell you barrel length of supposed velocity claims. It could be 16”- 20”-24”
I have the Ruger SR22 which fires all kinds of ammo without any problems. Now after seeing this, I wouldn't mind getting the 22 Magnum auto and this one looks real good. Thanks for the video.
I have RUGER sr 22 also . My Daughters like that handgun. Unfortunately, we’re in NJ . So 30 round magazines are not good here . But you are correct about running anything thru that gun , never had a problem.
Now you just said that's the most reliable but when you did the Walter you did have zero malfunctions with that pistol I remember cuz I wanted to buy one but it didn't have a trigger safety
Dave... You're welcome. I told them last week when SW posted their video that they needed to get one in your hands asap. Ok, i know, they probably sent it to you several weeks ago. Hopefully they let you keep it. That let sootch keep his.
I'm liking this new SW platform. Undecided on 5.7 vs. 22wmr. But seems like a good tool have in the box. As far as the reliability, since SW sent you that gun, it's likely a cherry picked individual - so it would be strange if it was a jamomatic. Eitherway the concept is cool. Maybe add a threaded barrel and flash hider.
I put this firearm on layaway the day it came out. I need to pay it off ASAP. The cool-factor alone is why I need it. I just would like to see them introduce a .17 HMR swappable barrel for this one. Don't tell me about ballistics. I just want it for the cool-factor.
I’ve wanted one since last weekend when starting seeing videos released and wasn’t to thrilled seeing the malfunctions but after hearing yours ran great and other videos wasn’t having same issues. Gun store called yesterday saying they have them I’m on the way
I just ran 250 rounds of 2 different CCI mini mags through mine and it likes the cone shape with flat nose the best rather then hollow points. There’s a trick to loading the mags I got. I think the cutouts on the rear where the round is stripped could be a little deeper towards base plate the front of mag round passes over could be deeper too. After loading 20 rounds they start to nose dive into mag body. I’m going to find some spare mags and start filing a little
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This is a great firearm platform for the .22 magnum, S&W hit it out of the park with this one. I love mine!
I own the Kel-Tec PMR-30 and now the Smith & Wesson 22 magnum both are great guns. I will say though with the Kel-Tec right out the box I was having feeding and failure to eject issues and I had shot over 300 rounds of CCI 40 grain ammo. Reached out to Kel-Tec sent the gun back, no cost out of my pocket and they resolved my issue's.With the Smith&Wesson I've shot just a hundred rounds so far with no issues. I love both guns very fun to shoot
The reason for the fireball is because the 22 WMR was initially designed for a 17 inch rifle barrel, so the powder is going out the end of the pistol barrel while it is still burning. The pressure for the WMR and 22LR are exactly the same at 24,000 psi. I've got the 3 22 Mags in the safe (revolver, semi pistol, semi rifle) Looks like I might soon have another. - Also need to get a lever gun in 22 wmr.
got the Ruger bolt, scoped , dont know if they still make, rotary magazine, this might become its sister
So a 22 lr and .22 magnum have psi 😮
@@Limejuice305 Huh?
@@Icutmetal the same psi
For example, if someone shoots your tire with either .22LR or WMR, the resulting psi will be the same. As to muzzle energy, Magnum is over doble that of LR.
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For a 22WMR pistol, I recommend shooting Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 40 gr JHP. It is actually designed for the shorter barrel. You get less fireball because it burns off in the barrel. When shooting a pistol with ammo designed for a rifle, you get a lot less velocity and a much bigger fireball.
I have to wonder what Speer has done to claim it's designed for a shorter barrel. Or is it just marketing to catch the recent introduction of new WMR's hitting the market. Not putting them down but the only thing would be the powder, it seems.
@@jimbosammy4255 yeah, they use faster burning powder like 300 whisper or 300 blackout
I was kind of on the fence about this new 22 magnum but after watching your video, I’m gonna be shopping for one. Looks like a great gun. 😊
I held one the other day and the trigger break and reset are fantastic. I'm going to be getting one real soon.
I love my Taurus 942 in 22 Mag revolver 8 shot. Handles very smooth.
I've watched several videos on this pistol. Some have had failure to feed issues ( but infrequently). There is a commonality in ALL the videos.....a giggle followed by a big smile. Enjoyed your video.
By the way, Julie Goleb has a video out on this pistol that includes a list of ammo that functioned well during testing by S&W.
Just picked one up about a week ago and it shoots the heavy stuff great! The lighter stuff not so much. Still, it's a great gun with more power than I would have thought. I lubed it up some and it ran the light stuff too. Drops steel plates just fine. Not as serious as my 10mm but that is a different animal all together.
I have my M&P 22 magnum, started out a little shaky but after 80rds smooth as butter. I'm now running Hornady critical defense 45 grain.
Gun of the year is going to be a 22mag pistol??? Who would have ever imagined this a few years ago!!!!!
What u mean the PMR-30?
Me
Actually it only occurred to me when I got my wmr cylinder for my heritage, 3 reasons, size, price, and power of rounds
@@nodescriptionavailable3842 Reloading, my man.
@@nodescriptionavailable3842I’m with you, I put that WMR in my Heritage RR and man was I pleasantly surprised, what a mea ass little round. And my rifle uses the same ammo and of course it’s even meaner out of a rifle. 🐾✌️🇺🇸
Maybe a little decibel comparison between the 9mm and the 22 mag? It’s definitely shooting out some huge fireballs! Great video as always
Yes decibel comparison please.
Loud vs louder
@@davidmack4185 Another potential issue is that rimfire does not have the shelf life of centerfire ammo.
It would be interesting to know what the actual velocity is coming out of that handgun. The listed velocity is assuming a longer barrel like you would get from a riffle. I have had a Kel Tec PMR 30 for a few years and have put a few thousand rounds down range without any failure to feed. The keep is properly loading the mags. I look forward to seeing a head to head comparison between this and the PMR 30. This looks like it was inspired by the PMR 30.
@davidmack4185 Yeah, I'm having a bit of a hard time believing him, but will give the benefit of the doubt because internet. Rimfire in general is likely to malf sooner or later due in no part to the gun, at the very least. I have two Kel-Tecs- KSG and RDB. The former is picky with shell brands/types and the latter ran 2k rounds flawlessly until the hammer snapped. I like Kel-Tec, but don't trust their guns one fat smidge.
I've heard the same negative thing you said about the old Walther PP series- expensive and not always reliable, but they sure look cool! I don't have one, but do have some cheap Hungarian clones of it- Two PA63s in 9x18 and one in 380. After Wolff Spring ugrades to them, none have failed. Maybe a spring upgrade for your Walther is in order.
I love the way I can hear you giggle sometimes when you mag-dump that thing!
Reminds me of the Keltec 22 wmr that holds 30 rounds.
1:59 look forward to the comparing!
this is the 3rd keltec that s&w has straight knocked off.....but better. lol. weird time to be alive.
@@DieselRamchargerS&W saw how well it paid out for Ruger.
@@tangolima6462 keltec has great idea....if only they worked. i call that a golden opportunity. though the foldy 9mm carbine thing i feel looks atrocious. This Near PMR30 seems pretty nice though.
The S&W 22 magnum uses a gas system with the barrel in a sleeve. A variation of the S&W 5.7. It is not a copy of the Kel-tec.
@@andrewgee241 jesus christ you are dense.
The fire ball is insane
I like 22 Magnum and I have a rifle and pistol chambered in 22 WMR.
You are gaining 40 ft lbs of energy in a 5" pistol barrel 22 mag over a 22 LR.
It's significant.
But 22 WMR really shines out of a longer barrel; doubling and nearly tripling the energy of 22LR.
Ballistics by the Inch has great test data.
It's worth thinking about.
Looking forward to your comparison of this Smith and Wesson, the Walther WMP, and the Kel Tec PMR30. When you do that please include a discussion of how easy or difficult it is to load the magazines without causing a rim lock.
Interesting! Right now, my .22 magnum is an older Harrison & Richardson revolver with a 4 inch barrel and I love it!
you mean Harrington & Richardson
@@roberth378 Indeed I do! Thanks!
I've owned a PMR 30 for several years which is a fine little 22 mag. in my opinion.....however, this is a new deal all together. I'm getting one very soon and I can't wait to try it out. Since this is a hammer fired gun the trigger is much better than the Kel tec.......I tried it yesterday. Thanks for the video Plinkster.....good job as always man!
My pmr30 has a great trigger.. plenty clean, crisp enough for a target/hunting pistol.
@@SLOCLMBRu must be the only one cuz the trigger on my is trash.. usable, but trash
Get Your Facts strait my friend, the PMR30 is also a Hammer Fired Handgun! This S&W, I'm Sure is a Fine Quality Gun But Just a Copy of the PMR30 which is Now a Proven Great 22Magnum Handgun! "Greatest of all Time", I don't Think So!
@@stevekatz4372 You are correct that the PMR 30 is a hammer fired gun. I did not have my facts 'straight' on that. However is is not a copy of the Keltec. It has a totally different operating system....if its a copy of anything it would be of their M&P 5.7, which, I believe, has the same Tempo shrouded barrel system. Time will tell as to whether it's the 'Greatest of all time' I'm sure.
I always have liked .22 magnum. CCI Maxi Mag
Looking forward to the 22 mag comparison video!
I had a Taurus 8 shot with first wife, she kept the pistol, I kept the 1000 plus rounds of ammo when we split. I've wanted another for years but in semi auto, and just hated the look and feel of the Kel tec. If not for cancer this looks like a winner I'd like to own, what a life lesson, get what you want when you can cause tomorrow might not happen. Great review, got a subscribe from me.
@22pIinkster Lucky winner? Can you please explain?
@@feohdragon1, that may be a fake profile from a scammer.
very happy with my wmp the controls…THE CONTROLS!!! having half a thumb on my left and dominant hand the mag releases!!! and love the trigger pull I throw tacks with that meat wagon
I think the problems with this gun is the mags, I know loading the kel tec mags is kinda tricky and when I have failures it’s usually my fault loading the dam mags lol. Thought for sure u we’re going to touch on that… great video as always plinkster👍👍
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I have had the PMR for about 12 years, also a CMR for about 8 years. Last week I ordered two steel feed ramps from MCarbo. If that fixes the feed issues withthe PMR, then I am keeping it. The feed issues with the CMR are rare, but does happen. If the feed issues are not solved, then one of these pistols will be next.
I did the entire PMR Mcarbo upgrade kit, with the stainless steel feed lips. Mine runs like a champ! I replaced everything myself and it was difficult getting everything to line up together correctly putting it back, but I did it, and I'm proud to carry it, with my drone bag, when I'm out flying and it's nice to have a reliable pistol with lots of extra ammo just in case...
@@ninjadave1970 Good info, thanks for sharing.
It's nuts to think they've been out that long.
@@bdkj3e In the meantime, stacking .22 WMR
It is a bit tricky to do the Mcarbo kit but the video is very good. Mine didn’t run at first but the screws were too tight- and I really didn’t think I over tightened them.
.22wmr has the same pressure as the .22LR. But uses a slower powder. Since the case is very long, this creates problems in blowbacks. Tapping gas from such a low pressure usually don't work well either, since it tends to get dirty fast. At least that is my understanding of this.
Thanks for the info!
You are exactly right. They both have very similar pressure numbers, which is around 24,000 psi. The only difference is the .22 magnum has a longer case to accept more powder. Therefore, the .22 magnum hits harder and has a flatter trajectory.
@@malcolmpayne9517 The key difference is that it's a slower powder. Desert dog has a good video on the .22WMR
@@CandidZulu Yes, it does use a slower burning powder, but the longer case on the magnum allows it to shoot flatter and hit harder, because of more powder capacity on .22 magnum.
@@22plinkster lol
I think the trouble some are having with this is hand placement preventing the slide to come all the way back. But who knows? I’ll be looking for one.
I've had mine for about a month now. About 300 rounds through it. Of those 300 rounds I've had about 80 failure to feed. Not an exaggeration. It definitely does not like Armscor 40gr. jhp (ftf every 3-4 rounds). Better with CCI 40gr. jhp (ftf every 8-9 rounds) and better yet with Speer 40gr. gdhp (ftf every 12-15 rounds). Break-in period? We'll see.
Big fan of the .22 magnum round and love my Keltec PMR-30. Sure would love to see Ruger bring back the 10/22 magnum.
I have 3 pistols that shoot the 22wmr including the Smith tested here and they have all had failures to feed etc. They get somewhat better with break-in and they are great fun to shoot and the fireball is entertaining. But trust? Hmm...
Yeah, my S&W has lost my trust. Fires at BEST 3 rounds before failure to feed. Did they design this weapon to get better with age? Glad S&W doesn't make cars!
I was curious about this pistol. I have a Walther WMP .22 Mag and love it!
I'm in love with my Walther WMP as well. 15 Round mag limit is fine considering some States like Colorado have a 15 rd mag limit, so don't see me buying a S&W to take back to Colorado when I visit my family there.
Just got one a few weeks ago and was really excited. Remington ammo jammed like crazy (FTF) and so did Federal 50 grain HP. I did some honing of the bolt face and the ramp then the Remingtons feed now but Federal 50gr ammo is still a no go. Hornady 30-40 grain ammo works just fine. CCI 40 grain ammo is great too. Magazines are flimsy plastic. I can only get 29 rounds in mine with any brand of ammo and I suspect the mags could be a cause of feeding issues. Accuracy at 25yds is nothing to brag about. My trigger is a lawyer trigger. It's, heavy with creep and a lot of travel on the reset. I love the pistol in that caliber but a little more work needs to go into that pistol. S&W - plastic mags?? Come on Smith! I see some have had better experiences and mine may be a fluke but I am NOT happy with my M&P 22WMR - yet!.
well no doubt just watching the walther mag way easier to load… fyi 22 plink you’re the reason I even looked or bought my wmp
Same here.
It also shoots hornady 22 mag ammo pretty well, no issues. thanks for the video.
Looks like a fun gun to try. 9mm is the same price as 22wmr ammo where i live.
Great video,
Big fan of .22Mag. I have many. I carry a NAA 22Mag. I do think to many under estimate this round. I have the same Riton Optic on my Ruger MarkII and love it. Boe
I WANT ONE!!!
The 1st firearm I ever shot was the 22mag back in the 70's, so obviously my 1st love.
First review that has a decent recording of the muzzle flash!!
Your camera got the best part of shooting a 22 mag pistol, the flash!
I really like this weapon and would love to own one, but I am baffled (no pun intended) on why they did not thread the barrel for a suppressor. The new barrel system is almost identical to the new S&W 5.7 and its barrel is threaded. Maybe (hopefully) S&W will come out with a threaded barrel for this model or maybe the Gen. 2... Thanks for your videos, I really enjoy them and you do a great job explaining the pros & cons of each weapon you feature in your videos. God bless you for your diligence.
Hell, they should thread the barrel for a flash suppressor!
I agree, I've had the Walther and the Kel Tec but without a suppressor, count me out!
Keltec is the beta tester for the industry lol. Glad to see SW came out with this 😊
i must have just gotten lucky, as my PMR-30 hasn't had any problems since day 1, no aftermarket kits, all factory and will magdump 30grain cci tnt ammo all day without any issues. ya its a huge fireballer, but seems to be a fluke as most seem to have problems.
In my opinion I think it's just a hit or miss with quality control with the PMR-30 after sending mine back to Kel-Tec they resolved my issues now the gun runs flawlessly. I love shooting my Smith & Wesson 22 magnum and my Kel-Tec. Both of them throw a very nice Fireball
I can’t pay over $600 for a 22 mag. My Walther was only $400 and it’s a beast
Flash, Bang! It's like a 22. and a Dragon's Breath!
This pistol is a luxury, a dream come true!
Wow. That’s a really nice Gun. I like the way it did.
I love mine, we shot 100 rounds through it and we're laughing the whole time...we had so much fun. No recoil and you could drive a tack at 20 yards...so crazy accurate.
This may be the best 22 mag semi auto pistol. But, I have a KelTec pmr30, I like it,it shoots my ammo I buy. If the S&W OR WALTHER HAD been out when,I,purchased my 30, I would have compared. I have some S&W and a Walther both 22 lr and 38s, but, I neither buy because of name or someone else’s recommend. That’s just me and I wish all 22 mag pistol/revolver buyers the best, much fun, and a happy journey in,life. Oh, plinkster, keep up the great videos. Oh my Remington 597 22 mag rifle is great too!
Great to see the 22mag. Market expanding
I've seen mixed reviews as well, don't know yet. I'll want the 648 first then look into getting this one later.
I remember all of the rave reviews about the Sig P322, based on review pistol reviews. I bought one and regret it. I’m not saying S&W is the same kind of company as Sig, but I think Honest Outlaw’s experience is going to be much more the norm with this pistol than 22 Plinkster’s. I will wait on this, let you all test it in the wild, and see if anyone still likes it 6 months from now. It may need some chamber polishing, may just need to be broken in, or it may just be hard to make those long skinny rounds feed in a production pistol.
Check out Honest Outlaw's review on 5 weapons not to buy, and in that video, he had a Kel-Tech KS7. He said/showed it fall apart during firing it. He didn't have the magazine tube end cap screwed on or barely on. This made it "fall apart" That's pretty skewed and unfair in my opinion, regardless of which weapon it is. Same goes for shooting it "right out of the box". No inspection? didn't read the manual? And...NO LUBE. Who the hell does that? Too many gun tubers do this then show the weapon not working properly. Lubricate the weapon. It's mechanical. It's also in the manual. Just saying.
Why do you regret the p322?
@@Joeak74my rule of thumb is to not buy/trust anything keltec. It’s garbage. I speak from experience.
@@Turbogto_guy
A barrel that leads up, constant light strikes, and magazines that have twice the capacity, but take 8 times longer to load than my Ruger. You CAN load them faster than that, but if you do, you will have stovepipes and various other feeding issues.
@@danlindgren4290 you can shim the firing pin spring. That got rid of most of the issues.
Bet 22plinkster keeps this one.
It’s the gun of the day I’ve seen two videos and one just got there’s so one more in a few days.
@22plinkster__ really
My wife bought herself a S&W M&P 22 a few years ago. She is comfortable handling and shooting it. Good quality gun and fun to shoot. The quality of the ammo is ALWAYS the problem I've seen with .22 caliber bullets hanging up or misfiring. (She is also a better shot than I am...) She wouldn't trade it for anything.
A 50 grain 22 mag round 😮thats insane. I want this gun😊
I have always wished the PMR-30 actually worked. If this turns out to actually work (in the real world not in high profile youtube videos) it is a game changer for a lot of people.
I hope Sig Comes out with a version of their P322 in 22 mag now too.
Mine worked fine when i used it. The only problem I had was the safety slowly creeps up when shooting and can lock the gun if its loose.
@@NidgeDFX There is video after video on youtube of PMR-30s choking all over themselves. They are extremely tempermental guns.
It wouldnt be a P320, it would be a unique action with unique parts.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz well its not a p320 now bro....
@@Valorius if theres no name, the comment was intended for the OP.
My comment was intended for the OP asking for Sig to make a 320 in .22 Magnum, which likely wouldn't work, hence me saying it would be a unique action with unique parts.
Lemme also add since you've wasted my time, much like the P322 it would be a new model that doesnt share a frame or anything with existing weapons, merely some styling choices.
I REALLY want this and the 5.7, but sadly I live in California, all I can do is hope the roster goes the way of the Dodo soon.
Or move to a freedom state like Texas.
@@davidbolduc828 why does everyone tho k it's that easy 🤔. 😂
Just picked one up and tried it, love it! Accurate, and man what flames! 🔥
It sounds and looks awesome and it looks like it feels awesome to shoot
Wish they would make the Victory in .22 mag.
But this one looks good.
This is the video I've been waiting on since I heard about this gun. Very much ready to find one in my local gun store.
Yeah that's a loud pop! 😲
It also appears to have as much recoil (or more) as the 9mm.
When you compare all of the .22 WMR pistols, please spend some time on the magazines and their reliability.
My PMR-30 runs a lot better thanks to MCARBO but the magazines can still be a pain.
Love your vids Brother, I always find them very informative & fun to watch. Keep up the awesome work you do. Peace & God bless🤠🙏🙏🙏
Love the blast effect on this thing. Think I'm going to get one.
I was wondering what else S&W would use a long, thin framed hammerless pistol for, and 22 Magnum is a pretty perfect use.
@22plinkster__ aww, no way man! What did I win?!?!?!?
22 mag is pretty powerful I like it! like the cal. as well Its a great round
Your smile says a lot right off the bat
I was looking at this on Yoki Stirrups video....I like this pistol, and love the caliber too.
Limited to 10 rd magazines in my State 😢 Takes the fun out of this pistol 🔫 😊
Yep😢😮😢😮😢
Plinkster is as Plinkster does! Fun video. Thanks.
Great review, thanks for sharing. The first one I saw caught my eye. After seeing this it is on bucket list for my gun of the year.
If you ever get to Florida look me up. I am south of Tampa in Sarasota some of the best Tarpon fishing and big snook so come on down.
The fire ball on that thing 🔥👌🏼
Your mic is insanely good at picking up the timber of the gunshots
Great review enjoyed it thanks
some of these from S&W require a bit of buffing on the feed ramp. Some have a little lip\bur After a little sand paper they should cycle fine
This & the Springfield Echelon is my next pistol!!!! What a fun kick ass pistol!! The only thing is the price of .22 win mag, I have been buying it non stop almost 3 years, I have a bolt action wimpy 5 round magazine .22 win mag to match my son's .22 winchester Rascal!
It's pretty sweet. Now all they need to do is make a carbine to match it, and takes the same mags. Like keltec did with theirs....and ruger did with their 5.7. Ohhhh and make a threaded barrel for it to.
Also base it on their FPC carbine that folds!
As with my RUGER Single Six using .22 WRM it is a LOUD cartridge - anode yeah, has a muzzle flame.
They knocked it out of the park with the M&P5.7
Looks like the PMR 30, loves this tac driver!
The musical targets all sounded the same to me….BAM BAM BAM BAM is all I heard
I love the S&W polymer line. My only complaint is how the front end of the polymer lower tends to droop, whether out of the box or after some shooting with a hot barrel, I don't know. I'm also curious what the purpose of the rectangular cut-outs above the picatinny rail on the lower is. If only for weight reduction, I wish they would have left the smooth lines. I think I can lift that little bit of polymer.
What are you talking about? I have several polymer s&w pistols, and none of them nor any that I've ever seen have had that problem. I'm literally holding a first Gen m&p that has fired no joke 15,000 rds, most of which in competition, and it looks brand new. I'm calling BS.
@@BD-fx8wv You can see it in picture after picture, video after video. Towards the front the polymer is drooping like the gun has a mouth. Maybe you've been lucky or just have the shorter pistols. You can "call BS", but I know what I am seeing with my eyes, and your specimens do not refute my observations in other specimens. Open your eyes from here on and you'll see what I'm talking about.
@@TacShooter open my eyes? Okay dude. Maybe provide proof, since you've seen so much. I looked around and haven't found shit. Enlighten me.
I'm assuming you're just a glock fanboy that can't bear the fact that they paid as much, if not more, for a lesser gun.
Curiosity has got me, do you really get the performance out of a 22 mag. from a shorter barrel? Definitely gives you more muzzle flash and noise but does it really give you anymore punch?
@@markgray5717 It's more punch than a .22LR, if that's what you're asking.
i have a RIA 22 mag and really enjoy it. Run some different ammo through a chronograph and the numbers are slower than posted on the boxes. The numbers were closer when I used a 22 mag bolt action. Steve
It’s because they print rifle barrel velocity on the boxes, some rifle cartridges ammo makers are so deceptive they don’t even tell you barrel length of supposed velocity claims. It could be 16”- 20”-24”
Very nice.
Now all we need it run it through Paul's meat target and a crono.
I have the Ruger SR22 which fires all kinds of ammo without any problems. Now after seeing this, I wouldn't mind getting the 22 Magnum auto and this one looks real good. Thanks for the video.
I have RUGER sr 22 also . My Daughters like that handgun. Unfortunately, we’re in NJ . So 30 round magazines are not good here . But you are correct about running anything thru that gun , never had a problem.
One of my favorites was the Ruger 22mag. peacemaker!❤.
Looking forward to the walther comparison!
Now you just said that's the most reliable but when you did the Walter you did have zero malfunctions with that pistol I remember cuz I wanted to buy one but it didn't have a trigger safety
Dave... You're welcome.
I told them last week when SW posted their video that they needed to get one in your hands asap.
Ok, i know, they probably sent it to you several weeks ago. Hopefully they let you keep it. That let sootch keep his.
I'm liking this new SW platform. Undecided on 5.7 vs. 22wmr. But seems like a good tool have in the box. As far as the reliability, since SW sent you that gun, it's likely a cherry picked individual - so it would be strange if it was a jamomatic. Eitherway the concept is cool. Maybe add a threaded barrel and flash hider.
Hopefully Keltec is taking note of this gun and working on a gen3 PMR30 without so many problems.
I put this firearm on layaway the day it came out. I need to pay it off ASAP. The cool-factor alone is why I need it. I just would like to see them introduce a .17 HMR swappable barrel for this one.
Don't tell me about ballistics. I just want it for the cool-factor.
I have never needed a gun more than this one 😢
I think this gun will be a winner for s,/w in 22 mag.
I’ve wanted one since last weekend when starting seeing videos released and wasn’t to thrilled seeing the malfunctions but after hearing yours ran great and other videos wasn’t having same issues. Gun store called yesterday saying they have them I’m on the way
I just ran 250 rounds of 2 different CCI mini mags through mine and it likes the cone shape with flat nose the best rather then hollow points. There’s a trick to loading the mags I got. I think the cutouts on the rear where the round is stripped could be a little deeper towards base plate the front of mag round passes over could be deeper too. After loading 20 rounds they start to nose dive into mag body. I’m going to find some spare mags and start filing a little
I wish they'd make some compact or subcompact 22 magnums
0:02 doubles as a flash bang 🤙🏽😂