@@palmer3977 me to Pal used to skip school in the 80s to watch him on TV 3 channels back then, met him and seen him play live loads of times and had Champagne on ice in the fridge for over 4 years in the 90s waiting for him to win the big one! I’m 56 now but remember him pushing Davis in 1981 worlds 1st round and narrowly got beat 10-8 Great to see he’s still giving it a go! But think he will retire in the next couple of years!!!
Since the rule is that at least half of the cueball has to be within the line, if one zooms in at 9:54 one can clearly see that that is not the case. Not by much but enough. So the referee was right but man was that a brave call!
Your comment is incorrect. Half of the cue ball is not allowed to be in the D. According to Alan McManus, he knows his snooker! - the white ball has to be *within the D line and the baulk line.* The white cannot be half beyond the D which it is when Vafaei pots the red. It's clearly on the yellow spot and not fully within the D nor is it not touching the baulk line. It's a clear foul. The referee was correct to notice the foul and award four points to Jimmy.
@@YTguySmithy-lk6go - I think You are incorrect, because of telling us that white need to be fully within the D. It's not true. It't not the case to by fully on the D, nor in the half of ball need to be on the D. The rule means that the ball needs to be in the D area including the borderlines which means the baulk line and the D line. In the meaning of that, the center spot of the white ball which is touching the cloth needs to be no further than on the line where ling is included. Watching the replay, it's clear to me, that the white ball before the shot is not siting on the yellow ball spot (not siting - I mean not touching that spot, it just cover that spot form the top view), so it's outside the spot and outside of D. In my opinion very good call of the referee.
It was an excellent call, I have been in and around snooker for over 50 years and it is the first time I have seen it called and the ref called it as soon as it was struck so he was obviously confident in his call.
Watch the cueball again as Vafaei puts it on the yellow spot. It rolls to the left a tiny amount and Vafaei then looks down and didn't see it. Very bizarre moment. The whole match was strange!
Guys this isn't bloody football, that white wasn't on the yellow spot, anybody can see that, it's not a case of "oh some of the ball is over the line" of the D. And snooker balls and the playing surface aren't like a tennis court so it's not comparable to tennis Hawkeye calls. The single (bottom most) part of the ball has to be on or within the line of the D, in the same way colours are spotted and refs sometimes go through great effort to ensure so.
well done jimmy, it was a tuff match and full of nervous gameplay from both players, i want to address and clear something up, the decision on the D foul, if you look carefully from above, the cue ball is deffinitely off centre from the line or and the yellow spot outside the D, so it is and was a foul, yes it is a harsh decision but correct, and to be fare a very brave decision to make,
All due respect to Jimmy. Ok it was not vintage Jimmy White in respect of play but for gamesmanship it was the old Jimmy, he could have just accepted the referee's call that the cue ball was not in the D but asked if it could not be checked to give Vafaei a fair chance at the risk of losing, he would still rather lose than cheat. A fine example to all players. All the best of luck in the next game as its always good to see Jimmy at the table.
9:28 The white is outside the D! The lines make it clear! Before this clip, you can see Vafaei placing the white; you see it rolling further to the right than he intended. The ref has the best view of us all, and he was 100% confident it was outside, and I agree with him!
I played on Saturday night and my opponent asked me if the ball was in the D for him. I said no and he moved it a bit more towards the D then missed the pot! Not a pro game but similar to this situation.
I'm sure that someone could do an overlay with the over head cam with the yellow on the spot and the white. Not sure if i'm correct but you can't place the white on the yellow spot as the yellow is on the junction of the two lines. and the white has to be inside the line. Placing the white on the yellow spot would be a foul???
Nice to see Jimmy go trew. A bit of frustration with Vafaie. Not a great match, but always nice to see white playing, good luck against O'Donnel, very hard player 😮😮
Some rambling in the crowd due to another table finishing a session and people starting to leave. The referee offered Vafaei to stop playing for a moment until everyone has settled down, but Vafaei says "I don't' mind." The ref still calls for silence because the noise got even louder and the referee wanted the room to notice there is a frame still running.
It was slightly off the D than normal. But I think it was such a push to give it a foul. In laws of snooker referee is right, but I know some referees would allow it. I think it was a silly mistake by Vafaei but I guess the referee has much better eyesight than most to allow it. Correct call though.
When I see Jimmy still able to compete at a decent level it makes me think that alot of players retired to young. They mistaked a bad spell for their age creeping up.
Check the overhead view again. You can clearly see too much of the white being outside of the D for the center spot to be inside the D. Right call by the referee and hopefully a wakeup call to Vafaei to take a bit more care on the "simple" things in snooker.
I don't think hossain placed the cueball of centre on purpose for some advantage.. he has no need to.. it does look of centre from above but he's just made a genuine mistake in my opinion.
The referee called seven to signal the end of Hossein Vafaei's break after he potted a red and a pink before the foul on the red with the long rest, so he called: "Foul, Hossein Vafaei seven, Jimmy White four", although the commentator was talking so it was hard to hear and I think maybe even Hossein might only have heard seven called, thinking he was being fouled that many and so pointed while saying it was a red that he fouled and the referee said yes to confirm it. Jimmy's scored did only go up by four points though, from 43 to 47.
@@andrewferguson9540 Yeah it was hard to hear for us viewers due to the commentator talking and Hossein seemed to get sidetracked once hearing 'seven'.
@philrose6226 he is flexing his minor power / authority and showing his contempt for a POC . A bit like how a traffic warden would do to a POC for parking 1mm on a yellow line but let a W person off completely for parking fully on a double yellow for hours.
What is the rule?? I’ve actually seen this may times were player puts white in d and parts hanging over outside the d and I’ve always thought whats the actual rule? All in d? Half in d? Quater in d? Caus he deffo had part of whitein the d here 1000% seen players before have white half in half out
From above looked exactly on the line. No one here seems to know the exact rule although some saying it has to be within the D -- so e.g. on yellow spot would be a foul.
The centre of the cue ball must be on or within the D - when you look closely that is not the case here. The centre of the cue ball is outside the D so is a foul and correctly called by the Ref.
@@Darts-kh2rs Yes. It is the absolute center point of the white that counts, because this is the point, where the white touches the cloth. Reasonable rule, although hard to check sometimes, like it seemed to be in this case.
@@Smoldering-tensions-745 Exactly, he was laughing to himself back in his chair over his own clumsiness. And it made a loud enough noise anyway when he whacked the red with the long rest.
Me watching a wide shot in a low grade YT video: Why is he putting the cue ball just outside the D before looking at the pot? He can always move it a bit later but why would you do that? Vafaei still in doubt after having seen it closer up than anyone else in real time, and having checked camera footage after the fact. A bit silly, really.
I don't know what's going on with that referee, he have been standing to the right or left, on the colours line to be 100 percent able to sure of that, it's a crazy call, vafai's going to try a millimetre, to improve his potting of the ball, it's new on me, never seen it before
My all time favourite player, bloody loved Jimmy when i was a child.
@@palmer3977 me to Pal used to skip school in the 80s to watch him on TV 3 channels back then, met him and seen him play live loads of times and had Champagne on ice in the fridge for over 4 years in the 90s waiting for him to win the big one! I’m 56 now but remember him pushing Davis in 1981 worlds 1st round and narrowly got beat 10-8 Great to see he’s still giving it a go! But think he will retire in the next couple of years!!!
@@paule8174 Bloody Hendry.
@@palmer3977 yeah if it wasn’t Davis spoiling it for us it was Hendry! The missed black against Hendry and the 10 straight frames still hurt today!
@@paule8174 And he should have beaten Higgins BUT Jimmy started laying for the cameras.
Since the rule is that at least half of the cueball has to be within the line, if one zooms in at 9:54 one can clearly see that that is not the case. Not by much but enough. So the referee was right but man was that a brave call!
Your comment is incorrect. Half of the cue ball is not allowed to be in the D.
According to Alan McManus, he knows his snooker! - the white ball has to be *within the D line and the baulk line.* The white cannot be half beyond the D which it is when Vafaei pots the red. It's clearly on the yellow spot and not fully within the D nor is it not touching the baulk line.
It's a clear foul. The referee was correct to notice the foul and award four points to Jimmy.
@@YTguySmithy-lk6go - I think You are incorrect, because of telling us that white need to be fully within the D. It's not true. It't not the case to by fully on the D, nor in the half of ball need to be on the D. The rule means that the ball needs to be in the D area including the borderlines which means the baulk line and the D line. In the meaning of that, the center spot of the white ball which is touching the cloth needs to be no further than on the line where ling is included. Watching the replay, it's clear to me, that the white ball before the shot is not siting on the yellow ball spot (not siting - I mean not touching that spot, it just cover that spot form the top view), so it's outside the spot and outside of D. In my opinion very good call of the referee.
It was an excellent call, I have been in and around snooker for over 50 years and it is the first time I have seen it called and the ref called it as soon as it was struck so he was obviously confident in his call.
One 😂😂
@ploplos If he wasn't right then the yellow and green being on their spots are fouling the table! Clearly it was a foul but he does have a point!
Watch the cueball again as Vafaei puts it on the yellow spot. It rolls to the left a tiny amount and Vafaei then looks down and didn't see it. Very bizarre moment. The whole match was strange!
Jimmy’s literally over TWICE Hossein’s age and still playing at that standard. Let THAT sink in. The man’s an inspiration!
Excellent referee good call
Super Jimmy!
The ball moved ever so slightly to Vafaei's right when he placed it, and possibly just outside the D.
beautiful stuff Jimmy, hope you go all the way one more time
Guys this isn't bloody football, that white wasn't on the yellow spot, anybody can see that, it's not a case of "oh some of the ball is over the line" of the D. And snooker balls and the playing surface aren't like a tennis court so it's not comparable to tennis Hawkeye calls. The single (bottom most) part of the ball has to be on or within the line of the D, in the same way colours are spotted and refs sometimes go through great effort to ensure so.
Doing your best to stick up for a ra cist disgrace refereeing decision and you know it.
Well explained, it was clearly a foul.
A completely mad frame of snooker, Vafaei completely lost the plot.
well done jimmy, it was a tuff match and full of nervous gameplay from both players,
i want to address and clear something up, the decision on the D foul, if you look carefully from above, the cue ball is deffinitely off centre from the line or and the yellow spot outside the D, so it is and was a foul, yes it is a harsh decision but correct, and to be fare a very brave decision to make,
no one asked
@@garethmccullough Gimp.
Yep definitely a foul
@@garethmcculloughsaddo
All due respect to Jimmy. Ok it was not vintage Jimmy White in respect of play but for gamesmanship it was the old Jimmy, he could have just accepted the referee's call that the cue ball was not in the D but asked if it could not be checked to give Vafaei a fair chance at the risk of losing, he would still rather lose than cheat. A fine example to all players. All the best of luck in the next game as its always good to see Jimmy at the table.
I think you mean sportsmanship.
@@McElhinney65 I do thank you for correcting , bit of ill health at the moment so my head is not fully on :).
@@PaoloBankewell no, he could have touched the cue ball & let hossein play again - dreadful sportsmanship 😢
@@kc-qs8qg Sportsmanship isn't giving your opponent a second chance when he makes a mistake.
@@kc-qs8qg deliberately fouling results in them getting a fine, even in this scenario.
Go on Jimmy!!!!
Happy for Jimmy and the crowd lol
Massive props to Dabroswki here. Have seen some overlays and he made the right call confidently
How good would it be to see Jimmy lift the Alex Higgins trophy?
Go on Jimmy
Great to see jimmy white still playing decent snooker at 62.
Beating vafaei age 30 and jackson page age 23.
Class
Nice one Jimmy, Great win, Still entertaining everyone.. 👏
Jimmy, thanks for this game👍👋😍, best wishes for success in the next matches.
9:28 The white is outside the D! The lines make it clear! Before this clip, you can see Vafaei placing the white; you see it rolling further to the right than he intended. The ref has the best view of us all, and he was 100% confident it was outside, and I agree with him!
White was outside the Table.
@@courierton9217 😂
The whirlwind from London Town 🔥
Fair play Jimmy so good to see him play at this age and to that standard 😀
Браво ! Дякую пане Jimmy!!!!
sad to see jimmy looking more like the hurricane every day and not in a good way
Well played Jimmy.
That was a very good win for Jimmy.
Lovely still see Jimmy playing,legend
Legend of the game!
Well done Jim 👍
Superb
Awesome 👍
I played on Saturday night and my opponent asked me if the ball was in the D for him. I said no and he moved it a bit more towards the D then missed the pot! Not a pro game but similar to this situation.
I'm sure that someone could do an overlay with the over head cam with the yellow on the spot and the white. Not sure if i'm correct but you can't place the white on the yellow spot as the yellow is on the junction of the two lines. and the white has to be inside the line. Placing the white on the yellow spot would be a foul???
what a legend 💎🪐💎
Jimmy got some new road kill
That was something) Well done, Jimmy.
Молодец, старик! Я - за старших! Молодым больше не буду, а стариком - надеюсь...
Hosien vafaei❤️❤️
Increïble joc, quina bogeria, ha passat de tot i més. Déu n'hi do Jimmy.
The first game I've seen Jimmy play where he's not launched his cue across the room
Nice to see Jimmy go trew. A bit of frustration with Vafaie. Not a great match, but always nice to see white playing, good luck against O'Donnel, very hard player 😮😮
❤go jimmmmyyyyy!!
Go on Jimmy 🔥
vafaei🔥🔥
Shambles of a match lol glad jimmy won though jiiimmmmyyyyyyyy....
Great Jimmy White.
What was that conversation about in 13:34? Anybody knows?
Some rambling in the crowd due to another table finishing a session and people starting to leave. The referee offered Vafaei to stop playing for a moment until everyone has settled down, but Vafaei says "I don't' mind." The ref still calls for silence because the noise got even louder and the referee wanted the room to notice there is a frame still running.
It was slightly off the D than normal. But I think it was such a push to give it a foul. In laws of snooker referee is right, but I know some referees would allow it. I think it was a silly mistake by Vafaei but I guess the referee has much better eyesight than most to allow it. Correct call though.
Just went on for hours and hours it seemed 😂
Go Jimmy.....👊👊
When I see Jimmy still able to compete at a decent level it makes me think that alot of players retired to young. They mistaked a bad spell for their age creeping up.
It's ok to hit them hard but you got to be spot on 😮
0:55 that's what we used to call a rush of blood to the head..🥺😂
Its clearly on the line 100%
The centre of the cue ball is outside the line - that's the rule.
Well done Jimmy White..
Jimmy White is looking like Bernhard Langer the golfer these days
C'MON JIMMY!
Did jimmy’s wig need re glueing mid frame?
It's very conceited to have jet black hair at his age and keep covering his bald head , but there's nothing he can do with his skull like face.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Disrespect Mr White again and you'll get a glass in your face.
I have bet on Jimmy to win this comp at 1,000 to 1
So has the ref.
The white looked like it was on yellow spot to me
The overhead shot was completely conclusive. A clear foul.
Well done Jimmy. But Hossein's cue ball was 100% inside the D area. That was ridiculous
Check the overhead view again. You can clearly see too much of the white being outside of the D for the center spot to be inside the D. Right call by the referee and hopefully a wakeup call to Vafaei to take a bit more care on the "simple" things in snooker.
I don't think hossain placed the cueball of centre on purpose for some advantage.. he has no need to.. it does look of centre from above but he's just made a genuine mistake in my opinion.
He hit the red with the butt of the cue. It should have been 4. Not 7
You misheard. The referee firstly gave Vafaei seven points for the red and pink he potted… then he gave Jimmy White the four points for the foul.
The referee called seven to signal the end of Hossein Vafaei's break after he potted a red and a pink before the foul on the red with the long rest, so he called:
"Foul, Hossein Vafaei seven, Jimmy White four",
although the commentator was talking so it was hard to hear and I think maybe even Hossein might only have heard seven called, thinking he was being fouled that many and so pointed while saying it was a red that he fouled and the referee said yes to confirm it.
Jimmy's scored did only go up by four points though, from 43 to 47.
@@seanscanlon9067 your right. I think Hossein thought he was calling foul 7 too.
@@andrewferguson9540 Yeah it was hard to hear for us viewers due to the commentator talking and Hossein seemed to get sidetracked once hearing 'seven'.
Wouldn't trust Vafei as far as I could throw him and absolutely detest Jimmy White after his outburst at referee Ben Williams a while back.
Jesus! Jimmy is looking like Higgins (Hurricane) now, very thin? Hope he is OK.
Seen it called against ronnie in the shoot out or could have been the power ball.
VAR got it right
Come on Jimmy!!!!! Great win!! Against world ranked 22.
Cue ball was on D zone .
it was, clueless ref
Definitely wasn't. You can see it's rolled to left a tiny amount as he puts it down and then Vafaei looks away and didn't see it. Ref was spot on.
@@RichBaxterMusic 🤣🤣🤣🤣 DON'T BE A .....
@@dav147 Referee got fact after checking but he didn't change his decision because he told 100% I'M SURE . 🤣🤣🤣
@@RichBaxterMusic wrong
Shame he’ll definitely be out next round saying that he done a lot better than Ronnie 😂
Hossein Wafaei Placed a Large Bet on Jimmy White
Seemed like a match where one player (Jimmy) played badly and the other threw the match.
Correct call, trying to pinch a bit in dead ball areas in all sport needs to be stopped
That ref up to something
Nah it was out
He's a ra cist
Up to something? Yes - calling a foul correctly!
Doing his job.
@philrose6226 he is flexing his minor power / authority and showing his contempt for a POC . A bit like how a traffic warden would do to a POC for parking 1mm on a yellow line but let a W person off completely for parking fully on a double yellow for hours.
jimmy's brain he fried a long time ago-he looks 90 now...
What is the rule?? I’ve actually seen this may times were player puts white in d and parts hanging over outside the d and I’ve always thought whats the actual rule? All in d? Half in d? Quater in d? Caus he deffo had part of whitein the d here 1000% seen players before have white half in half out
From above looked exactly on the line. No one here seems to know the exact rule although some saying it has to be within the D -- so e.g. on yellow spot would be a foul.
The centre of the cue ball must be on or within the D - when you look closely that is not the case here. The centre of the cue ball is outside the D so is a foul and correctly called by the Ref.
@@SotonCueMan so a edge can be over the d? Aslong as the centre is inisde?
@@Darts-kh2rs
Yes. It is the absolute center point of the white that counts, because this is the point, where the white touches the cloth. Reasonable rule, although hard to check sometimes, like it seemed to be in this case.
@@JayToTheHonest ive always wondered the rules cause u always see in off and ball in d see it most matches and always wonderd
White always best
White wom en say otherwise
White outside the D.
He also knew that he fouled with the long rest, but pretended to be surprised.
He stood up straight away when he fouled the red with the long rest.
He was just bemused by the rest fault, not surprised. It was fairly obvious and he didn't try to hide it.
@@Smoldering-tensions-745 Exactly, he was laughing to himself back in his chair over his own clumsiness.
And it made a loud enough noise anyway when he whacked the red with the long rest.
So is on the line not allowed? I always thought it was😂
Centre of the ball must be on or within the line. It wasn't here so correctly called a foul.
Me watching a wide shot in a low grade YT video: Why is he putting the cue ball just outside the D before looking at the pot? He can always move it a bit later but why would you do that?
Vafaei still in doubt after having seen it closer up than anyone else in real time, and having checked camera footage after the fact. A bit silly, really.
I don't know what's going on with that referee, he have been
standing to the right or left, on the colours line to be 100 percent able to sure of that, it's
a crazy call, vafai's going to try a millimetre, to improve his potting of the ball, it's new on me, never seen it before
Go on Jimmy! Vafaei sloppy AF today..
That foul given was unbelievable the white ball was clearly on the yellow spot very poor stuff from the referee
Which is a foul mate.
@@wewastheacidhousechildrenstop chatting blocks. Ra cist referee should be banned
The centre of the cue ball was outside the line. So correctly called a foul.
Looks younger like hes had a face lift
Vafaei u need to retire mate ..u not fit physically nor mentally for this English game mate😂😂😂
He can beat your as s anyday
Why was this match played in Clapham Junction station is what I wanna know.
Vafaei isn't welcome on the pro circuit, glad Jimmy sent him packing.
The day is coming when the circuit will be all Chinese. 😂😂
Who decided that he isn't welcome, you?
Most fans and ex players and players that love the crucible you BOZO.
@@andymcnab2.0 You just made that shit up, didn't you Coco?
@seanscanlon9067
Whatever big head, you must get tired carrying that around all day? Crusty.
HV is always messing something up so ref was probably correct.
The centre of the white needs to be inside of, or on the D lines. HV's white was slightly to the right of the yellow spot = foul
Quality haircut!
I can’t help but think in the coming weeks or months this match will have been the latest focus of match fixing…. Nothing to do with Jimmy….
Jimmy looks 80.
Uuuuum Ref????
Is Jimmy ill? He looks very gaunt in the face.
Absolutely horrific from the referee that was on the yellow spot all day long
😊
Awful match
Why foul?
When?
Because)
Referee said that the que ball wasn't in D sector.
Can anyone please confirm that White touched the pink twice but referee just called 6-points once or i’m wrong ? Thanks
Can you point out the specific moment in the video please? I want to check...
It’s not on that video sir, it’s just before when White is snookered and gave to Vafaei that lead.
Terrible quality 😮
go on jimmy weave!!!!!!
Jimmy might have won, but he's game has gone. He is terrible now. He's play a lot of shots like an amateur.