MORE CHEESE STRATS?... And Still No Zooka Nerf...
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Main Weapon Changes - 0:00
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Final Thoughts - 6:08 - Ігри
Update: Bubble cheese not real idk if it was larger in the trailer or if I and my stream were blind either way it is funny :)
Might be the former since the camera is different in the trailers.
I burst in laughter when I saw the actual buff, it's good but saying that it would ruin solo q set up high expectations to me. Anyways it was a good video overall👍.
It could be the Bubble ink radius was _just_ large enough to look larger than it really was. Like with the Mint video, that patch of purple ink could have just barely been inside enough to get covered by the Bubble ink. As for the Sizzle trailer, I looked at it frame-by-frame and everything is incredibly difficult to make out. My best guess is the extra ink coverage was from the main weapon, but everything happened so quickly, it looked like the Bubble covered it all.
Either way, I feel these mistakes were completely understandable; I know I was fooled.
I was like: LETS F***ING GOOO
0:30 Smash announcer in Classic mode when there is an 8 fighters battle
omg I remember in Smash 4 trying to time the little reward spinner and this guy is just yelling "MARIO! LINK! ROSALINA & LUMA! LITTLE MAC! AND... MEGA MAN!!"
That's so stupid, yet so hilarious.
Best smash 4 reference right here y’all
Any more weapons and we'd have the splatoon version of the pokerap
That should be a mod. Honestly, no winner is Clash blaster.
Roller has a domain expansion now
Ryooichi Tenkkai...Warudo Ofu INKU!
Watching the VOD and seeing the 5 stages of grief happen as Chara saw Big Bubbler's ink radius was a sight to behold
There is no such thing as the 5 stages of grief, theres more like 13 stages, and they arent stages theyre just states that come in any order.
this is your nitpick lmfao 💀
i thjnk vod stands for video of distress with how chara reacted
Quad mint/Jr in anarchy open zones will exist, it's over
Did you know you'll feel less gloom and doom if you're not online so much? Wild
@@ShadowSkyX ???????????
@@ShadowSkyXyou should your own advice bro, wtf are you on about 💀😭
@@ShadowSkyX It's an online game?
Help I followed ShadowSkyX's advice and now I have even more gloom and doom because I didn't keep up with the meta why are there 4 mint deactivators on the enemy team
I saw no zooka nerfs and I actually screamed "WTF!?"
President of nintendo is a Vshot main, confirmed
W
Midseason patch.
Honestly I don't think zooka is THAT bad.
It's not nearly as bad as the 2 cheese supers in Destiny 2...
Imagine someone putting a big bubbler that covers the entire zone. Gives recharging ink armour, Damage up and lasts for long enough for the entire game to end.
I think the custom e liter points for special change might be another case of them focusing on casual over competitive. It can be hard for inexperienced players to approach chargers, which leads to pain when they turn invincible once you finally get to them.
Then why give cliter kraken in the first place 🙄
@@unknownweirdo_ because reference, and the charger players might want a way out of danger like that
Another problem with chargers is that you can't trust the laser to be 100% correct. Too many times have I died from the laser swinging 90 degrees on me in A and S rank that some of them must be significantly desynced. Yes they can reorient the camera but the laser should still usually be around me for at least half a second before they adjust and hit me.
@@arttukettunen5757 Well yes but also no. Those chargers were probably just using motion controls with the sensitivity turned way up - you can flick the laser *incredibly* quickly like that. I'm talking doing a full 360 before you can blink! So yeah, you can't trust charger lasers, but not for the reason you may have thought.
I just suck at dodging chargers. Lol
0:44 When people ask Nintendo for actually good Splatoon patch notes
We got the mid season patch….
if anyone is curious about the squeezer rhythm, the exact mashing tempo is 450bpm, or constant 16th notes at 112.5bpm
You couldve just translated that into frames lol, its confusing the way youve put it.
@@SimoneBellomonte i put it that way because having an audio click track is more practical than visualizing frames per second. nevertheless, you need to mash at a rate of one click every 8th frame.
In the world of any game with a competitive following, frame data is law, god, and king. While I understand the logic of approaching it from a music/rhythm standpoint, people would rather think in terms of counting frames.
@@MrEnzio777frame data sucks. music supremacy
@@SimoneBellomonterpm is literally how every other shooter game (and real life gun) measures fire rate. Measuring in relation to frame data is like giving dimensions in kilometers to an American.
Reeflux getting the Squiffer treatment is so exciting, especially because you already want to jump with it for the vertical shots
It'll be so fun for quick close combat charges too. It baisically became a fourth splatana proper.
Everyone used to say they want more buffs, and less nerfs, so instead of nerfing zones cheese, we're buffing things to also cheese zones.
Lol
Let’s just face it I don’t think zooka will ever be nerfed
If they aren't going to bother trying to fix it the least they can do it put the indirect back to 40. At least then it was annoying but not a problem.
I never got my hopes up since day 1
I think that the devs think Zooka is a "skill expression" weapon and want it to stay good 😭
Hopefully they change their mind
@@chunkymonkey7983Its even worse than missile spam lmao ngl, easily the worst designed special in the entire series.
@@chunkymonkey7983 which is wack because Inkjet and especially Zipcaster embody the skill expression special idea. Except they give one of them to precisely no weapons and buffed the other to make lame plays more optimal (because they gave it to unfitting weapons like Carbon and then were surprised that nobody uses vCarbon). Zooka is just "nuke this guy".
Nintendo really said "I don't want to play with you anymore" to Splash Wall
0:43 OMGGGGGGGGGGGG JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA I LOVE HOW YOU EDIT THE VIDEOS LATELY JAJAJAJAJA
Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿
Chara actually doesn't edit his own videos, he has editors. You can see them all in the description and outro :3
This specific section was edited by Logi!
@@SuspiciousTemmie I know but Idk Who is the editor of his videos so that is why I named Chara. Whoever they are, I am liking It
If It was Logi, then they did a really cool job!
That world is so far and complex for me. I suppose is what being famous is about
0:43 Just became my favourite prochara meme
Also i want to comment how well stringer says "Just like the Tri-Stringer," while dcarv doesnt say nothing like that
it wouldnt be a Splatoon 3 patchnotes without a randomass buff to Nzap
ngl this is the best patch just because it added jump air charge to reeflux
i honestly didnt expect to ever happen, im very happy but also i now want zip caster to be on it
Kind of making me want to change to Reeflux but I know I'll miss the explosions on Tri-Stringer
If they give it zip they’d give it ink mine for no reason
I expected a partial air charging speed increase like Booz has, so it can air charge for short-range fights but stays grounded for long-range engagements. Now it's kind of just second Squiffer.
All the Reeflux players I know wanted this buff, but it was always just a pipe dream
THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY,
THERE IS NO TOOTH FAIRY,
AND THERE'S NO ZOOKA OR PENCIL NERFS!
Chara we got to face the facts here it's not happening
THERE IS NO QUEEN OF ENGLAND
We got map routes changes tho? I was honestly expecting those even less than zooka and / or pencil nerfs lol, hopefully the maps changes are good, this could honestly be a BIG W patch, depending on how the changes turn out lol.
My guess to why they nerfed Splash Wall is because of Neo Mint Decavitator.
Charcoal decavitator
Or because .52 is the most played weapon in x rank rn lol
@@cosmyIt didnt even have that high of a winrate, and the nerf is pointless anyways lol, hopefully the new flanks routes will be meaningful enough, wall is dominant because theres only 1 way to go forward, which is a straight line, so splash wall dominates cuz u have to shoot it, but with flanks you can threaten the wall player from more angles.
@@cosmy mostly because .52 is one of the better guns to deal with meta's bullshit. Very honest gun, simple but reliable tools that let it deal with omnipresent threats like Snipewriter and Zooka. It's the kind of symptom gun that will slightly fall off if the cause is dealt with.
as a reeflux main this is going to be more fun than before
Outside of zones I actually love the change for bubbler because it emphasize it as a space taking tool
And really it's only a problem on small zone or two-zone maps. In every other mode it's the biggest nothing burger of an issue and in fact I see as a good thing.
Honestly, while it can be used to cheese Zones, I think it's really only a negative change from a Zones only perspective. otherwise it's a quality of life change that increases it's supportive capabilities in the other modes.
HARD agree. The western comp scene's NO ZOOKA ZONES ONLY FINAL DESTINATION mentality is why they feel the Bubbler change is worse than it is.
@@MrEnzio777 I agree except Zooka is 100% an issue, even if it's not as good as people think, it's absolutely not fun to fight in the slightest.
@@evilyoshimaster If they nerf the explosion/indirect damage to 45 I feel like that would be a change for the better.
I also don't think it's necessarily that impactful to zones. Tristrike, booyah, and ink vac can cap from far away. Reefslider has invincibility to get you in. Bubble requires you fight your way onto the zone to perform the "cheese". For weapons with mobility options like splat roller and recycled brella, they can push in quickly, but it's also really risky. You can't just throw yourself at the zone and expect to live. I think people are overreacting.
Gonna be real I'll GLADLY take the Maps getting fixed over a world of no Jr. cheese.
Update: we got the best of both worlds BAYBEE!!!
UMAMI IS SO MUCH BETTER NOW WOW
Can we take a moment to appreciate the mockups in these videos? I love seeing the creative ways you represent the changes with things you already have in-game.
3:46 oh sweet Jesus!!!!
i actually really like the bubbler buff outside of the cheese problem, it makes it a lot better on things like roller and blaster that dont paint a lot and it also prevents enemies from just walking into your bubbler as easily as they could before
This is truly the patch of all time 🗣️🔥
i wonder if in the haggle update they'll remove or change the black bushes/trees you can see at the start of the game (when they're showing off your team’s weapons)
0:44 made me laugh. The deadpan "NO" from Chara really demonstrates how much of an effect this indirect nerf to wall really changes things.
That image you showed at 6:24 really cracked me up 🤣
1:28
Yea, but L-3 D is rly fun with burst bomb
So it make fun weapon feel a bit more fun, so I am happy
0:40 - 0:46 I'M DEAD 🤣
Bow players are eating so good this patch, wow. Massive buffs for all the existing ones and a new one with 2 kits. I’m no bow player myself but I’m so glad they got that as the bows are awesome and I wanna see more of them
Logi did work with that sick intro.
0:44 no
Me: I felt that
burst out laughing at 0:44 that edit is so good
Someone needs to find the clip where Last Resort joked about Bubble painting the zone. I think it was around the time when they buffed Vac explosion radius.
Edit: I found it. 😂
ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxyFmiQgoGf8-QVQzzU4nLc1UBaRO4cJqC?si=jcERxrhDbL1ELVi8
On the plus side...
Its official, Ach
Now has both sets of plumbing!
Happy sizzle season =o
There is going to be a patch mid season mentioned at the end of this patch's notes that seams like it will be more heavily focused on actual weapon and special nerfs unlike this patch which seams like it focused mainly on stage updates
playing the patch i think the rapid blaster buff was pretty good. you can get a lot more inkjets now since you can paint more bc your main gun is more ink efficient.
Can’t wait for the mint decavitator kit! I hate wall and was hoping for booyah bomb but it got stupid inkjet which I suck at, but I like suction bomb and bubbles now better so fingers crossed that I like it.
2:17 I was literally going to comment this for your next hot takes vid, but now it’s a real thing
This isn’t a midseason patch, it’s a mid season patch.
I thought Splatoon 3 had all this cool music but it was just the video. Regardless nice video.
Iirc, both maps are having their platforms into mid being extended. In reference, not the squares right next to mid, the dropoffs before those for Hammerhead, and also that platform from spawn with Barnacle.
Y'all are sleeping on vanilla L-3, even if just for solo queue:
- Fastest crab farming weapon in the game. You get so much crab tank you can have it up 30% of the game
- Midline-ish (3 full lines in the lobby) skirmisher with oppressive paint output. Hard to get close when you just paint everything in sight
- Even the double tap is not that slow and you just need to hit 4 out of 6 shots
- Heavily favored solo queue matchmaking
- Curling bomb is OK I guess
The buff is just the cherry on top.
Too passive of a weapon. Splat Dualies have a fast crab too, plus an aggressive main that can gain ground with rolls. L3 as a concept kinda died in Splatoon 2 because a keepaway 2.5-liner doesn't work in a game where an increasing number of short-ranged weapons can actually catch up to it and an increasing number of 3-liners can play keepaway as effectively if not moreso than it (and crucially, can play keepaway *against* L3 which it can do nothing about). Burst Bomb L3 could save it if it had a powerplay special like Inkjet (or, indeed, Crab), but it has a toy hammer.
@@TheLaXandro It is indeed somewhat passive. Still works pretty well at under-2k X-rank solo queue, where I usually play (I'm not qualified to say anything about competitive play). When you can't necessarily rely on your teammates or team comp, having a highly defensive weapon that can do a bit of everything certainly helps. Also, as I mentioned, it gets heavily favored solo queue matchmaking. It matches as a short-range shooter, but 30% of the time you have e-liter range with crab tank, and the other 70% you'll generally outrange whoever was supposed to match against you.
I do struggle to keep dualies at bay sometimes. Defending a high ground helps immensely, though.
I actually like this patch. Even if it's not good for the game or the competitive scene. I like how weird and fun these changes are. It's funny and silly
i can imagine ppl refering to this patch as the "bubbler cheese patch"
Vtent user here and that ink vac addition is soooo helpful and it needed that a loooong time ago
I think the Bubble buff is actually quite good, even if it is a bit cheesey. A lot of the maps you want to be able to cap zone with Bubbler (like Hagglefish and Mincemeat) have grating above it that prevent the bubble from painting its full capacity. Another thing is that a lot of weapons that have it but don't do great with bubbler tend to struggle to keep other weapons out, which the paint buff will actually help with quite a bit. Zimi, Bambrella, H3, and Squiffer especially appreciate this buff.
Zooka needs a hitbox nerf, in competitive its just too op. And im sure many people just KNOW how hard it is to use zooka, but then it 1 hits you instantly
Maybe bubbler's paint could slowly expand as the shield gets set up. It may be a bit weak now and doesn't immediately get any value, but that's kinda the point. You should try to get forward, but so that the enemy doesn't splat you, and in a place where you can set it up without getting splatted immediately. Although the paint gets more value the closer to the objective or farther you get, it is still very sudden. And don't get me wrong, it is nice when specials can do new and different things. Wave breaker's point sensor buff worked a little better, it fits the special and isn't as impactful as paint.
My prediction for stage changes. Even more poles (and maybe a couple boxes).
I remember bubble not painting was something I disliked. Glad it is finally here. However, I will acknowledge that cheesing a zone is kinda powerful when it provides a shield in the same action, which will halt enemy advancement for a bit.
The era of Jr has arrived! Time to put together a special charge up load out~
I think bubbler could potentially be used in more competitive settings with its new buff! Because inking the ENTIRE AREA it covers is pretty big! So hopefully more weapons with it can be pushed such as vanilla blaster, as blasters need tons of area to move and aren't painting weapons. But idk I might just be taking copeium here
So about that bubbler cheese😂
They really went “FUCK Splash Wall IN PARTICULAR”
I feel like as this game has gone on, the patches have moved away from "this does nothing to the game" to "the changes that _are_ here are good, but we aren't changing the things that need changing." Which is obviously better than before, but we're still not where we should be
You could already tell the bubbler painted the whole thing, as in the sword trailer where it paints behind itself, you can see in front of the ramp on the left a perfectly sharp edged line of ink in the enemy ink in the shape of a circles edge exactly at the distance where the bubble is. But yes it was also in the over the head shot.
Such a tiny detail in the patch notes but auch a HUGE thing for me.
So this season, I finally got EVP 999 on all the maps, Marooner's Bay being the last one I completed.
Getting to EVP 999 on All stages nets you a unqiue locker decoration to show off, dunno what it is, but I'm excited to see what it is!
...then they added a second unqiue reward where you gotta beat a triple xtrawave at max hazard level... back to the grind ig lmao
I mean...i feel like the biggest bubbler cheese will be Roller and mostly on the small/two zone maps. Big Zones won't turn just from bubbler. I guess if EVERYONE has bubbler but even then, i feel like thats counterable and they'd never get a chance.
Guys, trust me, people will stop picking zooka because bubble is just too OP this patch (there's a firearm being pointed at my head rn)
Watching the bubble cheese reaction live was so funny, god what is Nintendo smoking
wait so how is curling bomb crab tank not an "actual kit", sometimes comp meta logic just eludes me
edit: This just solidifies to me that splat zones needs to be fixed in a different way. Nerfing reef slider and not allowing bubble to paint JUST to prevent zones cheese is stupid. Since I was a kid, I've never understood why you can gain like 30 seconds of penalty points just for losing the zone for a split second. Why doesn't the penalty gradually increase for every second you give control to the other team; because as an analogy, the tower doesn't just teleport back to the middle when the defending team takes control of it. But that's what zones feels like.
oh hey zeekers vanilla L3 Nozzlenose has curling crab tank
Now that I think of it, why does splat zones need to use numbers? Why isn't it just like tower control or rainmaker, where there's a line that moves to the left or right when either team is in control (and the team that pushes the line the farthest wins?)
@@ZeekerssRBLX based idea
curling bomb
Honestly me calling l3s vanilla kit not real prolly isnt fair since curling got better. I asked Thunder (the only guy who uses l3 at top level) and his concern is more that the main weapon overlaps with splash a lot which provides more consistent team support with burst. In s2 l3 saw good use with burst jet as the support kit. So I guess l3s issue is that its identity got split between 2 kits. Maybe with the extra damage the reg one can work better for some comps though that can work with the weapon more.
For zones i’m not sure because I think the risk is that its a lot better for the defending team to hold zone if the flip requires more time which might make the mode more snowball heavy. Personally I think specials should paint a certain % less if used on the objective but that might also hurt some specials too much in the crossfire (like chump) maybe this update will mess with zone sizes or something.
Mr. char, you can see what they mean for museum to change the rotating walls in the rise of mammalaliens trailer
As a person who mains zinc mini splatting and splatting roller I am very happy with this buff to bubble
3:31 dawg apologize to the lad...
Bubble painting now is cool, but luckily, they didn’t make wave breaker paint as the waves went out now that that would just be a monstrosity, especially with special power up
Mint Decavitator has bubbler because of the anime Iai trope. The inked floor buff only confirms that
Conch-prizes for same-team Splatfest battles is an incisive boon to the experience. Players will be excited to play those matches now!
“I mean if we remove Kraken Cheese we have to add something else. Hmmmm…What if we ruined zones for everyone? That’s awesome! Oh, yeah and make everything strong against Splash Wall, I don’t know”
Honestly... I dont think bubble cheese will be a problem(compared to slider at least)... maybe a small change like making it easier for the team to do a comeback after the zone is instantly covered in ink could be intresting... this could make it benificial for the enemy team to not insta-cap zone... Lets add a stratagy to zone cheese!
im so ready for pole/box gaming.
If they have both in the I will be happy
I saw you in a match today, my name in the game was Madoka
Gotta love how all the buffs to curling bomb and bubbler indirectly buff roller. As a roller main, I see this as an absolute win
Honestly so here for the consistent (yet small) buffs to VRoller just about every patch
I remember Sakurai saying that their balance team looked at their (skewed) battle data to balance characters in smash where said data showed every character had close to a 50% win rate. They never payed attention to competitive nor the collective outcries of players because they (Sakurai) saw Twitter more of an echo chamber where anyone can say anything and everyone else will just repeat it. Seems like this is the same perspective the devs seem to have for splatoon.
2:22 YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHH (I have wanted this for basically all of splatoon 3)
Welp, bubbler definitely got the buff I feel it needed. Since it was definitely hard to make sure there is no enemy ink in the shield. Which it definitely be more aggro which is nice.
as a semi support roller main i am excited as hell for the bubbler buff
im making sure to keep my hopes high and my expectations low for the maps
I’ve been waiting for big swig express 190p and it’s finally here
Yeah… some of the kits are pretty good, but balance/change-wise… it’s probably going to lose some people. Good idea on the competitive ban for Zooka and Charge with 5H, that sounds like way more fun!
We live in a bamboozlerless timeline
Honestly I'm pretty cool with the bubble buff, since I pick up splat roller here and there, I think its an interesting buff
Honestly I’m personally counting the map changes in the patch overall which is why it’s one of my favorites to date!!!! I’m so excited 😭😭😭😭😭 I have so much hope right now
I'm annoyed. They made it so beakon uses count toward super jump spot, but what they really needed to do was make it so the beakon is placed even if you're too close to a wall.
Pole update finna be hype🔥🔥🔥
darn it! atleast I can still have turbo make the inkbrush feel busted
Me: “Oh, I main H-3 D and use Zimi a lot, this Bubble update should be very helpful!”
Me realizing the next day that Jr and Roller are going to take massive advantage of this: 💀
I mean bubble cheese doesn’t sound that oppressive compared to slider cheese, you at least have to get there yourself, whereas with slider you can just use it from a very safe distance to guarantee the cheese.
Double bomb JR is going to be a menace in zones :sob:
Absolutely love the bubbler buff imo imagine playing zink mini and making a base for your team to jump you use toxic mist and now it paints all the shield no one can get in safely and that was a big bubbler flaw people could get in too easily and just make it useless
i cant wait to see more big bubbler in rain maker since it can just paint and protect the rainmaker to get to the checkpoint..
Yeah its a decent buff but theres still better specials for rainmaker anyways, bubble is a static special it just doesnt work there, Ink Vac on the other hand is much better for it.
@@SimoneBellomonte why protect teammate with vac if you can kill enemies with zooka and make it so teammate doesn't need protecting?
this is not ironic, this is just how the meta is, vac is a fun and interesting special but as long as the game has "nuke this mofo" button that is trizooka, everything else is obsolete
If you want to get absolutely technical, Pencil *did* get a nerf, albeit an indirect one, due to the 10% extra Splash Wall damage.
honestly top 3 patch
the changes to specials, the bows and zap seem both fun to play with and helpful balance wise and everything else (- the screen change and 210 c-litre lol) is welcome
didn't fix the meta but i think it'll make it cooler and expand some options in comp building now that zap and reeflux are probably real main weapons and more specials don't feel like ass
THERES SO MANY MAP REWORKS WOAH
They done squiffed reeflux