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Fun fact (or not so fun fact): The writers have confirmed that Kenny is 19 which means he will he tried as an adult for his crimes. The casting of a such an innocent and baby faced actor was a good call
The exact opposite of a 15/16 year old looking like he's 18+ really flips the way you think about things, no?
Oh my gosh! I thought he was high school age, which makes it creepier!
ajnr6 he’s trying to point out the fallibility of humans and the very real psychological disorder; paraphilia/pedophilia. Perhaps if it wasn’t so egregiously taboo this young kid could have sought help. There ARE effective treatments for paraphilia.
But even with HIPPA laws people are afraid of the exposure even with a PSYCHIATRIST
Fact: Beagles Are Best i don’t care if there are effective treatments. the dude said “we don’t know what he actually beat off to: was it some preteens skinny dipping or hardcore child rape”. the fact that he even thought of that sentence is disgusting
@@ajnr6876 while they are both gross and should not be seen as in any way acceptable, there is a massive different between those two types of video
When he said “how young were they?” my stomach turned
Maria Romero when did he say that
PATRICKDONNELLY when he was about to fight off that guy
I'm surprised you instantly believed him. I didn't realize his accusation of Kenny was accurate until the phone call at the end, and even after that I feel pretty skeptical. Just a video of him doesn't prove anything, and if he was so paranoid as to buy a lock for his door and argue with his sister then I doubt he'd have the stuff on his harddrive like Hector did. That would leave the only evidence of his crimes being search history which is shaky at best. That's not really a reason for Kenny to be so terrified at the hackers. It's shown over and over again that the video is what Kenny is so afraid of, not what he was watching or what was on his computer. The logical conclusion would be that evidence was planted on his computer remotely to make things even worse for him in the end. After all he had to be an idiot in 1 of 2 ways and all evidence seems to point to him being an idiot for not just calling the police immediately rather than being an idiot for not covering his tracks.
KingBranden I didn’t immediately think he was a pedo but I took in consideration that he never admitted to wanking on camera whenever he was asked what exactly he did, he always just said “I was just looking at some pictures” and started crying and when the man asked him “how young were they” I assumed he was looking at child pornography and to raise my suspicion he didn’t deny it but I never thought of them applying the pictures on to the computer
KingBranden I'm gonna be honest, I instantly believed him, just because the scene at the start when he gives the little girl her toy back was unsettling to me and the fact he didn't just go to the police for just masturbation, I studied media so I can't help but analyse everything
The fact that he robbed a bank and killed a man just to keep his secret
He absolutely didn't want to, he did it because he was panicking and being pressured at the same time by Henry.
The killing a man thing was pure survival, regardless of keeping a secret or not.
Alexandra yeah liek I mean when u look at it like in a jury he would Probly get a sentence.But it’s the fear and pressure that got to him so technically he’s innocent🥶
Child pornography man. *CHILD PORNOGRAPHY*
Peter Burke you missed so much from the ending. Your interpretation can’t be true because the only messages kenny got from the hackers was the „fight until death“ and after that the troll face. It’s pretty obvious that kenny killed that guy.
@@kay987 it wasn't child pornography
When he was told to rob a bank i was like "bro just let them leak the video at this point, its just you doing the stuff" but oooh that twist mannn
MY. EXACT. THOUGHTS. then they leaked it anyway 😂
Ikr. Entire time I was like just let them be, it is getting out of hand and dangerous.
But it would be good if he surrendered at the beginning considering he robbed bank and killed someone.
Yeah but how would the footage prove that he was watching what he was watching?? He could've denied it and dismissed it as fake
Slick M that’s what i was wondering
@@monet.t.t he probably had more cp on his computer. That's why his mother said that his sister saw it. They downloaded it after they got the access to his computer. I mean how would they know that he's a pedo if they didn't see it themselves? They had proof, and he knew it.
The acting in this episode was phenomenal
Just like all the other episodes on bm
yes!
@@corbinostergaard3767 Except the stupid ass Ashley Too episode
Rutvin nah y’all shit on it bc if Miley Cyrus
OMG thats the first thing I thought. Superb!!!!!!
Well it's like *the end of the f***ing world* for him.
Ha see what you did there
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Why did you have to do this
*slow clap*
I was looking for a comment like this 😂😂
It's so scary when you watch it a second times and he gives back the toy to the child...
I knowe
oh god...didnt realise that and it gave me chills...
and when he’s looking at the kids menu at his workplace....
Ugh this is all kinds of No
nowolves facts
“They’re saying it’s kids Kenny! Kids!”
The twist thooo
For real shit's so fucked up, dude is just standing there not sure what's worse if it's him watching child porn, robbing a bank or killing a man
You guys remember that part? "How old were they...? Yeah me too." I was legit sweating.
@@dinorahmorales7664 Bro I remember hearing that part and thinking "nah Kenny wasn't doing that!" It was only until the "KIDS KENNY! KIDS!" that I fully understood what was happening. The way she says it is actually haunting.
@@Djitterbug nah its very obvious that he was
@@belkYT ok 🤓
The analysis was good up until you said, he wasn’t hurting anybody. Consumption of the material is what fuels its creation.
No, not in this case. You don't even need to pay for stuff like that and also they would upload the pictures anyways.
I think he meant physically he didn't hurt anyone but yes, he was hurting children indirectly by consuming the videos
@@CloudburstSapphire How is it hurting them? The people upload the pictures regardless if anyone looks at them. Of course there are services where you can specifically buy it, but even the clear net is flooded with this stuff and is scarily easy to access.
@@pafu015 oh yeah that's true, I think if anything having them up at all hurts the children in said content I feel like
and the content being easily accessed is shit too because that might mean that not enough people are reporting it
that's what I feel like though
@@CloudburstSapphire Even if you report it there is not really the executive power to take the websites down. At these days people are really skilled with programming and can't get tracked down.
The fella who played Kenny was phenomenal.
BdaMonkey Watch The End of the F**king world.
He was the main character and was such a good show.
GalaxyGoop I'll give that a go. I've got it on my watch list :-)
BdaMonkey who says “fella”?
Jason Maza Obvious question is obvious.
His name is alex lawther
i can never see the troll face the same again
melanie cobos it literally scares me now!!! 😂
The troll face at the end makes me cringe, and not in a good way
Luna Pyrope thank you! Every time I saw it, I chuckled
Luna Pyrope right I was laughing
EVERYTIME I SEE THE TROLL FACE I GET SCARED BRUH 💀💀
"Black Mirror" has had a lot of insane twist-endings, but "Shut Up and Dance" threw me for such a loop that I had to sit there for a good 5 minutes thinking about it.
@Chan 160138 - Of course.
And I don't get it even after thinking about it so I watch these damn videos
@@bojackbojackbojack: Upgrade had one of those kind of endings, that whole movie absolutely could literally have just been a Black Mirror episode.
@@phantomkitten73- So, you recommend "Upgrade", huh? Never heard of it. I might check it out.
@@phantomkitten73 bro that movie left me shook. That was literally a black mirror episode.
throughout the episode I was thinking "man let Kenny go he was just beating his meat cut him some slack" but then oh then that T W I S T came
Zeina Elsy SAME!!
still pl out there spelling "masterbaiting" lmao
they really did foreshadow it at the beginning in the restaurant when he hands that little girl her toy. something about the inclusion of that scene kind of threw me off. that fucking ending is bonkers though
G4nst4Ch33se it's human nature
Precious Bradford because he took sooooo long to walk up to her then kneel down. Like why not shout “HEY, don’t forget your toy!”
also really like the parallel between Kenny's phone battery and his mental tiredness with the whole ordeal, I think by the end He's at 4% or something like that
I never thought about that, nice spot!
WWWallace71 Oh that's so cool!!!!!
WWWallace71 thats an awesome observation, did u discover it your self??
Yeah I did when I first saw it, no idea if it's unintentional or not though
actually every character has their battery at 5% or so
I’m really disturbed by you saying “Kenny wasn’t really hurting anyone”. You should rethink that.
People keep saying that about child porn in general. Saying "watching it is not hurting anyone" normalizes it and is not ok
While, I completely agree, it was still entirely hurting someone, I'm sure what he meant by that was that he did not physically do it himself. It is obviously and undoubtedly still unacceptable, but I'm sure it was just his wording there that made his line of thinking seem worse and that he does not genuinely think watching that is "not hurting anyone".
I think he means he wasn't physically hurting anyone (him personally) but by watching it he is contributing to asking others to hurt children so it is still hurting them in the end. I too think he should change his wording.
Exactly, I was totally taken aback by that comment. Its a matter of supply and demand. CP consumption definately hurts children,
@@ciaras3170 Actually cp is physically hurting someone a child
the hackers made him do all that so he would do more time in prison, you don't get much just for watching CP but he did rub a bank at gunpoint and killed a dude ina forest then tried to run away, I think that was their goal
This was the first time I’ve heard this theory and WOW.. I like the way u think
Absolutely. Made me happy knowing he wouldn't be able to just get a slap on the wrist.
That makes sense
👍
This is also how more sinister groups recruit their MK Ultra cells.
This was one of the most biggest mindfucks
Not only was this terrifying but the plot twist was FUCKING MENTAL
This is hands down one of my favourites
same. It was brilliant how they make u feel sorry for him throughout the whole episode up until then end when you find out what he did. and then you realize how earlier in the episode how creepy some of his actions were!!
What twist?
Sarah 808 but i still feel sorry for him even at the end
TheHitmanMaster it is indeed one of my favorites. However it was so tiring to watch it, I mean I felt tired - my mind was drained. I watched the next episode like a month after watching this one.
so it was like 4Chan the movie, they were trolling him hard but in the end fucked him over.
There are actually people defending cp and saying that it doesn't harm the child. Wtf kind of drugs are y'all on?
Kera yeah it absolutely does hurt the child bc they got sexually assaulted making the videos dumbasses! That’s like saying snuff films where people are murdered don’t hurt people! Drawings and shit are different in that respect in that real children aren’t directly harmed but I fear normalizing this lolicon shit more and more over time. It will endanger real children when pedophiles can more easily justify their actions in their heads and think it’s ok to give in to their desires instead of getting help.
@@FreakoftheAngels I don't think you read her comment mate
The reason these people are trying to defend it is because this character they like and want to protect and have bonded with took part in cp. In defending cp, they’re defending the character. If this character wasn’t connected to cp, they wouldn’t be defending it.
CP is a gateway to child rape.
Those are probably people who would watch it in the first place .
Ughhhh sickos
This is the scariest film ever made. I immediately covered my laptop camera after watching it.
You should only be scared if you're doing something you're not supposed to. Like I thought he was just fapping y'know? Nothing special. Buuuuut he was doing it with child pornography so
Blizzic you just told on yourself...look out your window
This is a Netflix show
Blizzic Sorry, nothing beats White Bear, not even this.
Lydia xxx agreed, I was like, but he was just jacking off why would the people want be so awful but when it was revealed it was child pornography I was like “oh”
pedophile is pedophile. it doesn't come in a specific age group.
Of course but if the main actor was a 40 year old grumpy man the result wouldn't be as surprising and it wouldn't be such a plot twist
@Julia Li H o w
Are you saying 10 year olds liking other 10 year olds are pedophiles?
@@hellodumplings8564 liking each other and sharing pics are totally different
@@Ccubed92 who said anything about sharing pics? I think I know what you’re going for but that ain’t the point here, mate.
This comment section could be a Black Mirror episode.
Shhhhh don't give them ideas
How so?
Lmaooo truuu. Spending way longer in the comments than the video is long. Lol
Black Mirror: Shut up And Comment
Chandra Wagner for real, this comment section is friggin bizarre! I get that cp is a sensitive subject but there’s no need to lose all logic cuz you’re too in your feelings to have a debate.
I know it’s completely fake but it got me kinda paranoid every time I went to the bathroom with a phone
I usually just whip my dick out and do a helicopter right in front of the camera to piss off the spies if there are any 👌🏽
As long as you dont diddle it to children i dont think any hacker will care to go after you
What's not fake is that you should cover any cameras in your home at all times, unless you're actively in a video call.
@@ramo5442 Something similar to this but actually done on innocent people is real. In South Korea, women's public washrooms are often installed with spy cams by predators. It's a huge issue there.
@@ibtunesbukhari1909 hahhaahhahahahshahahahahahahagaggahahagagagagagagaggagagaga
Kenny was perfectly cast.
I really respect the actor! It must take guts to play someone like that, because he'll always be associated with it. He did a really good job
think his name should be thrown out there: Alex Lawther, absolutley brilliant up-and-comer
he's in a newly released show on netflix, end of the f**king world! he's perfect in it, what an amazing actor
omg i was just gonna comment that, love that guy he killed it in black mirror and the end of the fking world!
This episode made me look into him he’s a rlly good actor I hope he appears in more stuff
9:27 when Kenny opens his wallet, the condoms are placed directly on top of the photo he carries. The photo includes two children smiling, yet again making the association to sexuality through condoms.
Great find
That wasn't Kenny's wallet, it was Hector's.
@@sanderbarbo2070 I think it's a double meaning. The second one being that Hector puts sex above his children and family
It was Hector's wallet -_-
@@sanderbarbo2070 that doesnt take away from the symbolism.
After reading comments I've just realised that Kenny survived the fight because he killed the other guy. I honestly can't believe I didn't pick up on this, thank you to those that pointed this mistake out to me.
Harry's Moving Castle I liked the subtly placed troll face
Yeah. Nevertheless your video is brilliant.
Oh wow lol I was just about to comment on this nice pick up
Great video - I was just going to comment on this when I saw your comment. It's clear from the show it was a fight to the death. Since we see Kenny with the backpack at the end, he must have won the fight.
or maybe your first idea was right! - the other guy beat him up but didnt or couldnt kill him, so they both lost. Your 'mistake' gave me more to think about if anything mate lol
Omg y'all I just remembered that at the beginning of the episode Kenny gave a toy a little girl had lost back to her. And he kind of just stared at her when she walked away. But of course watching it then you wouldn't suspect a thing and just think that Kenny's a nice guy. Also there was that girl boss lady who had an obvious interest in Kenny but Kenny never showed any interest in her. Quite a few red flags that I can't believe I missed.
EDIT: On a rewatch rn and I lowk forgot I posted this comment lmaooo -- but I just wanted to add that of course you don't need to be gay or awkward or anything to simply not reciprocate feelings/interest for someone, but the interaction between that lady and Kenny paired up with the other things he's done makes it a "red flag".
Madeline Lowe he did have an interest in her that’s why those dick coworkers were teasing him about it
@@tunnelvision7906 nah I think they were teasing him because the coworker was interested in him not the opposite. Plus I thought through out the episode that Kenny was jerking off to gay porn and was too scared to admit to everyone he was gay
I thought the disinterest was because he was gay haha
I thought he was just super awkward dude and didnt really know how to reciprocate.
I thought he just didn't like her back? Lol I don't know why a dude needs to be gay or awkward to not show interest in a girl? Lol
The young male actor did a really great job. When he needed to look petrified and panicked, he did. I think I've seen this episode at least twice.
itsme christy he was also in the end of the ducking world he was a good actor
alex is a phenomenal actor, he deserves an award.
geez kiera what’s his ful name?
@@luv3bud auto correct? Same here I ducking hate it
Alex Lawther gives me life
I noticed Kenny’s story changed when asked “What they get you for?”. Went from “recorded me doing it” to “I was only looking at a couple of photos”. That’s when i knew something was off.
yupppp
You forgot to add, when Kenny speaks to the kid at the start the song “that’s the way I like it” starts playing
Jeff f oh my ghhh I didn’t pick up on that, that’s so disturbing
omg I'm about to throw up
This show is fucking ridiculously clever
Jesus, stop just stop! Too much. I cant even with this episode.
ohfuck
I love Black Mirror, and I hate Black Mirror. Most of the episodes leave you devastated with no faith in humanity or the future. Thanks.
LyleDeYounges but it’s facts and true!
Thats whats so great about it! Good old dark British realism!
That's the point, it's a zero sum game. No happy endings.
This how I feel after every episode and I think to myself “why tf does anyone watch this depressing stuff?” Then I keep watching on and on
@@luv3bud thats what made it so fucked up, its real...😖☠
This episode disturbed me more than it should have.
ChargedMerc While I was watching it the ending screwed me up
Spencer Ashcroft the ending really fucked me up
If you were disturbed, that just means you were paying attention. The writers have made you witness to a young and somewhat vulnerable character being tortured and manipulated; pulling out all the stops to make the audience sympathise with them - and reveal to the audience just before the end that they've been rooting for a character who gets sexual gratification from child pornography. The writers juxtaposed that character with another - caught by the same tormentors - who had done something bad, but it was far less morally heinous and far more likely to be similar to things a lot of people have done or considered doing.
People tend to use labels and stereotypes to "otherise" those who have done wrong, and what this episode does is rip down that safety curtain and it forces the audience to see the protagonists as human beings, no matter what they might have done. I'd be more worried if someone didn't find it disturbing.
ChargedMerc same.
It was my favorite episode
"wasn't actually hurting anyone" i disagree, consumption of child pornography is also harmful as it creates a demand for such horrid content. perhaps he didnt create it himself but his acts are still harmful
If he paid for it, he increased demand. If he didn't, en consumed something that the creators didn't intend to end up on the internet. Child rapists and people who are part of pedo networks make money from it.
I think he meant it in a way that instead of being criminalized he should be getting help before he physically does something to hurt someone
I used to watch gore videos like ogrish that has beheadings, animal crushings, violent accidents, lynchings, etc... Not that I'm into any of that stuff, but to test tolerance on extreme stuff. Tbh, I feel bad with the babies getting beat up by their parents bit to the point that I wanna kill said parents.
I'm assuming that it must be the same for some of those who watches pedo stuff. Oh s**t, should I go to jail too?
@@mstr293 yes you should
actually hurting a child is one thing, consumption of it say what you will, but even during that there's still the chance to stop and get help.
I rewatched this today, found something new. After he gets computer back with the virus he downloads "Shrive Anti-Malware". Shrive being a religious word to confess your sins. :O
In that case I would say that the malware was the actual virus that gave the hacker a backdoor to Kenny's computer.
@@nathanhyde2079 the "malware remover" you mean?
@@sirnoba5507 yea I meant to say malware program
Good catch!
Nathan Hyde that’s what I thought!
You all saying watching that shit isn't harming the child are crazy. Watching that promotes the idea and makes people want to make more. You are funding these horrible people and making it possible for them to make more of this
The Wanderer more of the child porn you heathen. don’t act dumb as if cp doesn’t harm children.
@@tracerbtw1843 nonce
Tracer btw dude there something called view number
@@tracerbtw1843 I think the commenter meant that by watching it, you are complicit in the act. For you have benefitted from the suffering of a child. There's a reason why people share cp, to get more cp or create a tumor on the internet.
How does it make people want to make more? The people who made it have no way of knowing if someone watched it or not.
This episode is like anxiety personified
Cambria Weeden yeah. The bank scene tho
GIMMEMUHNEY.. INEEDALOOOT *proceed to piss himself*
true, I have anxiety and this episode has really shaken me
yeah, except you don't have to have done something wrong to have anxiety. he's feeling guilt
you should watch "beau is afraid"
Was I the only one that cracked up when Kenny was like "GIVE ME MONEY"
I COULDNT STOP LAUGHING
THANK YOUUUUU
The pissing that followed it too is hilarious...
BRUUUH YEEES HAHAHAH
HAHQWJSJSJSJSJS SAME
I was wondering why Kenny didn’t just go to the authorities until the twist :/
Kanav Kapoor yeah they got me too but i was more like hey so what you caught jackin off. Just let them upload it get embarrassed and move on! Better then robbin a bank or fighting to the death. But it was kid porn and that my friend must remain a secret. Great ep!
Dion Mose same here the whole time I was thinking that I wouldn't care you couldn't black mail me with something so small
New Royal. "Something so small" Heh.
Aaron Jimenez oh wow,lol
I thought that since the hackers are watching everything he does they’d know he called the police
Alex Lawther is such a great actor. His performance in this episode as well as The End of the F***ing World are fantastic.
Tim Tickler honestly I've fallen in love with him you should watch his other work too he's such a diverse actor
OMG I KNEW HE WAS FAMILIAR. i couldn’t place that i’d seen him in The End of the F***ing World
Tim Tickler I knew he looked like the guy from end of the f***ing world. Thank you for clarifying
I hated that series but he *was* a great actor in it
I FUCKING LOVED END OF THE F***ING WORLD. IT WAS AN ABSOLUTELY AMAZING SERIES. BUT THIS EPISODE OF BLACK MIRROR FUCKED ME UP
Fun fact: the anti malware software that gave him the virus is called "Shrive" which means "to absolve confession" (I think it's archaic)
Jane Fan archaic means old
archaic as in biblical, too. the guy who cheated on his wife said to kenny, "the pope does it too."
everything was good until you said “it wasn’t hurting anyone”. i don’t think you understand what kind of damage child pornography can do
"non binary lesbian" hahaha.
@@xord1946!???
He meant viewing it
@@potato_nyin_6448 that’s still wrong damaging and harmful...
@@xord1946 Is that a "Caitlyn Jenner" thing?
I saw a Reddit post awhile ago that examined some frames of Kenny's emails on his computer. One contained him talking to someone about buying a camera, possibly implying that Kenny himself was planning to make his own "pictures" with children, making him less innocent to what he was doing than the audience might think he was.
LUIGIII nah it makes sense. it just shows that over time he would have become a child molester. all these characters would have kept going and getting worse had the hackers not intervened
Given that Kenny pissed himself with the bank robbery and wanted to shoot himself, before he had to shoot someone else, I can't see him as someone who could force Children to have sex. Cowardly looking at Child Porn without thinking about the consequences for other people, sure! But I don't think he has enough... guts to do that himself. Sorry, if that sounds like I would call that a virtue in this case.
Also Bar San, you make it sound like the hackers were heroes. They could've just leaked these Things without making People fight to the death for their amusement.
ZiggyWSB
That does really make sense but then again, people don't want to be/feel powerless or weak which is why they're are capable of the most horrible acts (great example is bullying). So I think it is also possible that as a weak, cowardly person he might desire someone who will make him feel less so... And children are even weaker and more easily scared than he is. So I think there still is a chance he would end up growing into a child molester. That said people also do grow more bold and assertive as they mature all the time. I'm quite grateful that isn't the case in the episode but cynically enough it could go either way, I think!
no teenager knows that LUIGII
@@ZiggyWSBSomeone theorized the hackers did this to ensure whoever survived would get jail for life even if the CP charges didn't stick. If they just leak the footage of him masturbating to CP, he could claim that it was a deepfake in court. Sure, his reputation is ruined, but he still has his freedom. DNA evidence and multiple witnesses, on the other hand, are much harder to discredit than a grainy webcam video.
Honestly I just went back and rewatched this video and I have a problem with something you said. "He wasn't actually hurting anybody." To me, that's a false statement. The consumption of child pornography leads to the further production of same, which further puts children into situations where they're exploited and harmed. So yes, someone definitely gets hurt.
No it doesn't. A lot of people are writing the same but its plain wrong. It's a good assumption maybe. You don't pay for that kind of stuff, because you can find enough of it for free in the clear net. The people usually upload that stuff to brag or something. But they wouldn't stop doing those things to children, just because noone looks at the pictures.
I agree. I mean, it might seem harmless but it’s not, and even if it was, the concept is still creepy as hell. It’s pretty hard to look at a paedophile and say they’re not hurting anyone.
@@pafu015
They are reacting off of emotions
i also think that generally when it comes to actual child molesters, it’s safe to assume that it begins with just looking at all of that creepy shit, and ends up developing into the actual act-so the fact that he was only watching it or looking at it doesn’t make him an okay dude, cause over time it would very likely have developed into something much worse than just looking. not to mention looking at kids that way in the first place is disgusting.
@@pafu015 your arguments are totally contradictory. you say they upload it to brag, but you can only brag if there's an audience who cares about your stuff. if no one gives a shit then you can't brag, simple as that.
I still don’t understand how Kenny won that fight to the death.
Not that hard, he's young and faster than the other dude.
Also, he had a gun...
Angels Unchained the gun wasn't loaded
Lap TV the older dude was drinking and was drunk. Giving Kenny the advantage
@@sclarinet9088 but it's still a blunt weapon
Something horrifying but interesting is in the background of the scene where he meets the little girl In the restaurant, the song ‘That’s How I Like It’ is played.
It's worth noting that children who are being sexually abused have always been made to shut up and dance.
Explain
multuminparvo5 Finally somebody mentions that instead of "oh poor Kenny"
multuminparvo5 oh God, don't put that in my head
Lonesome Queen just the way his mom sounded so heartbroken is the only way I feel bad for him, but STOP LOOKING AT KIDS
Suleiman The Magnificent Explain what?
Amazing episode. Everything about this is top notch. Alex is phenomenal. That twist was well played out. I was so on Kenny's side until his mom's phone call. Damn what a ride! Best acted scene - Kenny having a breakdown in the car and him robbing the bank.
nina capila probably my favourite episode of the season. I mean, that ending... holy shit
I think this is my favorite Black Mirror episode ever. I go back and forth with this and USS Callister. But Shut Up and Dance has the edge because of the amazing performance. :)
The moment in the forest when the other man asked Kenny, "How young? How young were they?" was the most exquisite twist. I knew there was something more incriminating to the blackmail video than 'just' masturbating, you know?Suspicions confirmed, damn.
How stupid are you all? This episode was mediocre at best. Who who fuck robs a bank and chooses to murder someone over footage of them jacking off? Who would trust the guy giving orders either? Unless you’re an idiot. You’d stop at the point when you’re told to rob the bank and go to the cops instead, explaining everything
Riley Miller he robs the bank and kills the other pedophile because if the footage of him masturbating to child porn was leaked then his life would be ruined and he’d be sent to prison.
I deleted my calculator after watching this
My calculator asks for camera permissions. Is this bad?
@@BankruptGreek click alow and you will be activated.
@@alicoolman1xx ok
Now I know It is better to buy a pop up camera cellphone
I deleted settings
Something else to think about: Kenny is usually nervous and stutters a lot, except when he is talking to the little girl (and people he is close with, like his family)
I get what you mean but pretty much every time he was nervous it was after interacting with strangers while being dox'd by another stranger
A bit of a reach. We didn't really see him interact with strangers prior to being threatened, so we don't know if he's actually always like that or if he was actually like like because of his anxiety pertaining to being doxxed.
it was probably a weird fetish. we all get one Over-time, I'm not saying it's right, but over time they fade away like a Phase we had in our lives. it's like when you break a taboo, all teens break rules. 🤔 it's not abnormal, but I can't say it's right.
@@God-T Kenny was 19 years old. He knew better. It's just not a "phase."
@@God-T Since when do fetishes just "fade away"?? Weird comment
I think it’s really interesting how you spend an hour feeling sorry for Kenny, like come on he’s just a teen who watched some porn. Then at the end you figure out he’s a pedophile. So it makes you reevaluate: did Kenny deserve what happened to him? Black mirror has a way of making you think about how YOU think... what your core morals and beliefs are. Some people still feel sorry for him, some believe he deserved what he got.
of course . the twist tho
I didn't feel bad at all lmao, I saw a pathetic sweaty weirdo failing at every aspect of life
He was made a pedophile by the hackers, since the only evidence could be a camera capturing him wanking at the screen, with the content visible. Combining screen and video of wanking is very doubtful
The Uncanny One
What a prick
@@UncannyXander I guarantee you watch porn too. I felt bad UNTIL I realized he watched little children on his laptop AND worked around children. Made me sick.
can we also talk about how the kid scenes in the beginning make you
sympathize with kenny even more, you think oh he is just this socially awkward guy who can connect with kids more easily as to connect with adults of his own age, it makes you think that he is a nice guy and happens to be good with kids, and the you get to the ending and you rewatch the whole episode and those scene make him even more disgusting
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I still felt bad for him
12345 Nltsaaegcj yesss, it fucked me up because you tend to think that people who are good with kids are pure but this made things so disgusting
I'm not a scholar on the subject or anything, but I'm pretty sure a lot of peadophiles are "good with kids" like Kenny - it only makes sense that they would be. They idealize children's innocence and naivete and want to be with them because it's easier than dealing with somebody who is their equal.
I'm generally on the "we need to differentiate between peadophiles and child molesters" and "we need treatments, not witch hunts" team, but when it was revealed at the end all my sympathy for him immediately dissolved.
Watching a video of a child being sexually assulted and jerking off to it - it's just so disgusting.
Pictures, If He did not lie and Its still better then robbing a bank or killing. You ofc need customers, someone needs to buy the shit, but still, the First problem are the creators in my opinion. I totally dont think Kenny got equal punishment for his crime, maybe He likes little girls and watched some pics and It may be totally disgusting, but other then that, He could have been a decent person who has value in the society. And no, I am not a pedophile.
Oh my good I haven't noticed that
one of my favorite things about both this episode and white bear (which is my favorite black mirror episode over all) is that you feel bad for the main character throughout the entire episode until the plot twist where you learn that they are terrible people. you may still feel bad for them, but your perspective on them totally changes and you question whether or not their treatment was fair at all. love these videos, btw! i was waiting for this one.
the only thing is Victoria had her mind erased and they punished her tons of times for something she doesn't even remember. Not defending her but Kenny supported child porn, robbed a bank and killed a guy so he can't really think he's innocent like she did
Gabe Nakatsukasa I agree. as horrible as Victoria's actions were her memory of her past life was completely erased, making her "punishment" pointless because her previous guilty self was pretty much killed. she was essentially a child being tortured over and over again for no reason, which I guess was the point.
Is Kenny a terrible person? I always felt terribly sorry for him, not a feeling of hatred. Kenny is a victim of his own sexuality. As long as we keep treating peadophiles who do not actually have sex with children as criminals, we ain't gonna solve noting. If we really want to do anything about it we have to break the taboo so people like Kenny can find help.
rik-jan veldhuijzen
" who do not actually have sex with children as criminals" but he is watching child porn he's aware these children are being raped/ abused and is able to get off on it he's almost just as bad as the people who produce it
LUIGIII
my comment was basically "yeah he's aroused by children but since he knowingly consumes something that these rapist profit off he's (a big) part of the problem"
i'm not saying it's not a "mentall illness"(< my opinion on that is very mixed) i'm saying he's shit for endorsing child porn by watching it
i've seen child porn when i was a child myself, have dealt with multiple pedophiles both female and male both young and old both those who act on it and those who don't. there is absolutely no fucking excuse for actively looking for child porn taking steps so that you won't get caught, get off on watching actual children get raped and then " well, hey i never touched any children so i'm good right?"
i disagree with the concept that kenny was doing no actual damage through simply viewing the material. as a consumer, he’s feeding into the success of these sick distributors, and is therefore complicit. he is perpetuating the cycle of consumption and demand, and is actively supporting the exploitation of the children in the videos.
Bro I see this argument over and over and over and over and its just so bland and boring to me.. Let me ask you this, what do you think drives demand up more? Some socially inept, idiotic teen making a stupid mistake, or a society that gives him nowhere to go to deal with these tendancies? Maybe if we weren't so quick to throw these people into the deepest pits of hell and recognised that one does not choose to be this way. Even if Kenny wanted to seek help, we wouldn't let him, we'd be too busy trying to punish him for something has hasn't done(as in actually being a sexual abuser) or for tendancies he did not choose. It just goes to show that people care more about punishment instead of actually fixing the problem.
@@suckmyduck7029 I agree, even tho I understand why so many people think he deserved it. I just think many don’t understand that these people weren’t born evil, but became this way. It’s hard because crimes on innocent people are hard to forgive and children are the definition of innocence. It's hard to think about this rationally, but looking at this rationally these people need psychological help. Imprisoning them for life isn’t really the solution.
Someone close to me was sexually abused and the pain of it is deep and traumatizing, so I can understand the people wanting them to be punished, but you can’t let your emotions get in the way of treating these people.
I just hope the person who did this to my family member will regret it for the rest of his life and will become a mental healthy and good person.
@@suckmyduck7029 you've got the right idea there and it's rare to see.
He just needed therapy his mom was doing unnecessary drama because he knew what he did was wrong
@@suckmyduck7029 sounds like youre a kid fiddler
That's why he went to the extreme when his sister took his laptop
um ok. Which makes the plot twist nuttier because I have gotten so annoyed with my sister taking my things that I considered the lock a bit extreme but not completely weird because I've considered doing the same in the past. But then to find out why specifically in his case, insanity
I understand him being angry she took his computer because I’ve seen boys try to protect their porn lol but the whole putting a padlock on his door was indeed suspicious from the start
I guess if they wanted to be a lot more subtle, they could've added guest accounts for his sister to use?
whichs begs the question: "why tf would you allow anyone to use your pc knowing you have information you don't want anyone to access?" felt a bit too off character :/
The scene where he gave the little girl the toy she left on the table in the beginning of episode, those little hints are why I love black mirror
My absolute favourite episode of Black Mirror and one of the tensest things I've ever seen.
Yep
Watch the movie 'phonebooth'
My favourite too. Even before the twist about Kenny.
tbh this was by far my least favorite. It was cringey, the twist that he was a pedophile was plain stupid, there was no purpose to anything that happened in the episode, and there was no real theme like most episodes had.
I'm not, though I don't see how that relates to what I posted.
I think 95% of Black Mirror episode are phenomenal. This one, on the other hand, was trash, and I genuinely don't understand why anyone likes it.
Its implied that Kenny won, not the other guy. It was a fight to the DEATH and Kenny lived.
I also want to say that this is one of, if not, my favorite episodes. The episode starts with Kenny being extremely relatable, we all do private things on our computers or phones that we would not want everyone in our contact lists (family, friends, coworkers, etc) seeing. Even something as normal as self-pleasuring is extremely embarrassing to have your mom or boss see. As the episode progressing, we get the feeling that the punishment outweighs the crime and saying to ourselves that he should cut his losses and have the footage leaked. It's embarrassing but do that or go miles away in a strange car with a stranger? Rob a bank with a gun? Fight someone to the death? A video of you masturbating can't be that bad. We're sitting there baffled as our empathy turns into complete confusion and then the reveal.... It all makes sense. Why else would he be so desperate to cover up his act. It was perfect. Kenny's actor did such a great job portraying his desperation and helplessness, especially the moments before and during the bank robbery and his screaming and panic attacks when he is first found out. Great episode, 5/5, would watch again.
I don't get how Kenny won he's only teenager and he was fighting a full grown man
@@24SparrowJack well he got super fucked up so ehh who knows
@@panther7584 Calm down Anti social edgy pussy teenager
@@24SparrowJack He most likely won because he had Plot Armor. He could of wacked him with the pistol and knocked him down to ground to kept doing it . Yet mostly it was Plot Armor .
Except I guessed the twist early on, pretty much for the reasons you outlined.
"Not doing any harm"... are you high? Is it raining in your house?
Technically speaking, Kenny didn't just by consumption. You watching someone getting robbed is not you robbing someone, morally or legally. Is it a terrible thing to do? Absolutely.
SethMacMillan watching pics is traffic for that website. It helps the site.
@@DmanDice Traffic is more determined by the volume of users, not the actions of a specific user. Activity may determine which content is successful on the platform, but that's on the platform only. Especially, if they host such content. It's unlikely that would help with it being a viable advertiser.
Its not just traffic. Its the idea that' theres a market for it. The kid looks so young and innocent in this episode and he most likely never actually acted upon his urges, But sites like that help people like him escalade. First pics, then vids, then wondering about opportunities in real life. I hope u get my point or we can just respectfully agree to disagree.
@@DmanDice That argument is a bit similar to the notion of marijuana being a gateway drug, I've yet to read any psychological research finding cases where exploring urges then leads to a worsening of actions. That only seems to be the case if the person has previously grown an addiction to an activity/substance, in as far as my studies have taken me.
Unfortunately, there will be a market for it no matter what's done. But, such a market doesn't have much power or traction for obvious reasons and that's the best part. Not to say we should be complacent with it happening, I'm just meaning to say that Kenny's exploration of it doesn't necessarily mean it's gaining any of the previously mentioned. I also can't just say he wouldn't take any actions or condemn him being arrested, it may be for the best.
this episode is the reason why I cover up my web cam
I started doing that as soon as I started watching Black Mirror. I turn my location off too.
same bro! I have even stop watching porn because of shit like that.
StacheShadow what are you doing?
RatchetGaming jerking it wbu baby
pussy
When he goes to pay for the gas, condoms fall out of the wallet revealing pictures of Hector's children. Foreshadowing Kenny's situation. Pictures of children.
It was more than that. In the car Hector was talking about how he was going to lose his kids and that he would kill himself if that ever happened and Kenny got more and more distressed the longer the conversation went on. He seemed like he was going to confess out of guilt for a second there.
Pellinor Holy shit. Yep. Literally each time the guys said the word "kids" kenny got increasingly stressed out.
Maybe not out of guilt, but because he feared if Hector found out what he did Hector would get physically violent.
Alex B.
Same
The more I learn about this episode the more I love it, literal master piece.
Could this be the reason they paired them together???
Pee pee in the poo poo😜😱
Antoine Barquet she was a CEO of a hotel company
It’s still less horrifying than being a pedophile
Honestly though, all it takes is a formal apology and after a couple of months everything's back to normal. Especially when you're the CEO. of course though it depends how bad the emails were but in real life I imagined it would not even get her fired.
@@Freakybananayo not anymore though, it seems.
@Unique08 no. I'd rather be know as a racist over being known for pedophilia. And I ain't white lol
the twist hurt even more than someone who just watches black mirror sympathising with kenny, because i love alex lawther.
carbonatedspagetti SAME
Anyone else feel a little bad for Hector? Granted he was stupid for agreeing to the robbery portion of the blackmail, but he was practically a saint compared to the other blackmailed victims (especially Kenny).
kayla reinbachs I feel bad for both Hector and Kenny.
Nah. Cheated on his wife and risked destroying his entire family just cuz he was bored with banging someone his own age, I don't pity him at all.
I pity all of them except the crusty pedo who tried to murder Kenny.
Kenny was going to get a hold of child eventually
kayla reinbachs Notice how Hector wasn’t ordered to fight to death. The hackers have a fair punishment for all of their victims.
I thought there had to be more to the plot than what was given so when I saw him give the toys to the kids I said "He ain't going to be a pedophile is he?" Needless to say I was fucking SHOCKED when he was. A+ on the plot twist.
Yames SAMEEEE! I predicted it because I was baffled at how he was giving in to the hackers on something that many people do and is somewhat considered normal. So I guessed it must be kids. However I didn't pick up on when he gave the kid a toy
oh shit it's yames! you and HMC are my go-to black mirror analysis channels:)
Yes it is me! I appreciate it that! Personally HMC is my go-to Black Mirror channel
Frankly, I think this episode was the most unimaginative one. I noticed this as well, and hoped that the episode would subvert expectations and do something different.
Yames that crossed my mind as well
This made me rethink my life
Zeneva ʘ‿ʘ how did conservative religious group lobby for terminology changes in DSM? The DSM is published by the American Psychological Association, which is a private entity
Zeneva ʘ‿ʘ
You mean "copy and paste"?
Lolnowaht awm
It's just basic DSM-V and psychology knowledge. He's probably a psych student, or someone who has a mental disorder themselves (depression, anxiety) and became interested in researching the DSM-V and psychology itself. It's a pretty fun topic to read up on (not pedophilia, but psychology) even if you're not inherently interested in it.
WOW, but think of this. Does a pedophile choose to like kids or is he unable to help it? God knows their lives would be a heck of a lot easier if they just loved a normal adult. And wouldn't pedophiles be easier to identify if instead of offering bullets to the head they where offered mental treatment so they wouldn't be scared to come out to the public. Maybe that way kids would be safer
i personally think that empathy could easily prevent pedophiles to commit their crimes, it will be a burden on their shoulders to resist their desires, but everyone has some burden in his life
One great detail that I noticed, was that in the beggining of the episode when Kenny asks his sister why his computer is frozen, she says she was trying to put on a "film thing", and he gets shocked for a few seconds, foreshadowing what he was really watching on his computer.
I mean, that doesn't really foreshadow much. At that point, you could assume he was looking at normal porn and didn't want anyone to know. I know what happens at the end of the episode though, just saying.
Using that Radiohead song at the end was simply brilliant. I'm not sure any song could've hit me the way that one did. It was perfect.
After that song came on every hair in my body rose. It was so captivating.
I thought "creep" would also be good.
Radiohead songs have that effect
@@berlynwall1956 karma police would had worked just as well too!
@@jessietherat1691 yes, thats true!
This episode and Nosedive me actually fucked me up LOL. I like couldn't sleep after those two episodes.
why nosedive? lol just wondering
Nosedive bothered me too.....
Reason= because I see sooo many people like this girl..
So disconnected from reality,,so into People/Cosmopolitan,celebreity gossip BS..
Esp in my town..Yuppie central..But the schools my wife says...ugh!
*That episode also bothered me because how much of society is like this..
*I actually blame all this nonsense going on in our media today with racial,gender equality etc on people seeking status...The protesting is a majority of college/middle aged people who are the same as the people they are protesting against, but they are pretending,lying that they aren't like that...
*imo I believe most people who are classified as closet racist/haters of anykind really aren't and reacted outta emmediate compassion or anger to a situation...
something we all do or have done in 1 area or another...so hypocrital POV's isn't something I take lightly...
then again I try not to hate anyone.
Nosedive is the only episode where it felt good at the end of watching it
Stein San Junpiero had a nice ending as well 😊 atleast i think
Nosedive wasn’t that good Playtest is much better.
This is the darkest show I have ever watched. No show will be able to overcome this show's truthfulness, and darkness in future. Absolutely none.
I agree lmao
idk,i mean,there are a lot of dark shows out there
no, but they might be able to match it.
I mean I haven’t seen officially dark shows but I think it would be pretty easy to top black Mirror from the amount of fucked up jokes I’ve been told
Just make those jokes content more serious and give it a plot and you could make something EXTREMELY dark
Noah's ark
I was on Kenny's side for the majority of the show. Then the last scenes happened
And I died
And yet, if we grew up as Kenny had, with his biology and environment, we’d be just as he is. There is no place for judgment. As horrible the damage child molesters inflict can be, we are all redeemable, barring conditions such as psychopathy, and even then, we all deserve compassion and love.
If someone out here touching kids, or jacking to kids, they get no love. That’s a no from me dawg
zain It's hard to empathize with those who consume CP, but your point is valid. What Kenny needed was therapy and rehabilitation. A lot of people conflate pedophilia - something you're born with and cannot change - with child abuse, a mistake that fuels a stigma that prevents any meaningful change for the better in our society. Especially considering that the majority of pedophiles are non-offenders.
@@zain4019 "if we grew up exactly like this guy and had the exact same thinking like this guy we would behave like this guy" bro that's kind of dogshit reasoning to say there's no place for judgment he consumed child pornography and also wasn't getting help he's a monster plain and simple
Something I noticed in my second watch of this episode. When Kenny first enters the pin for Hector's card, 3109, he initially gets it wrong. The total cost of the fuel is £31.89, a very similar number to pin 3109. This confused Kenny and made him use that number as the pin. This is very subtle but very clever and explains why Kenny got the pin wrong - adding to the anxiety already being felt in that scene (Who doesn't get embarrassed/nervous when they get their pin wrong?). Truly the work of someone who wants every little detail to have substance, rather than things happening for no reason.
William Leadbetter-Smith Great observation! I never would’ve noticed that!
I thought everyone noticed that lol
also he probably didnt have a CC of his own and had never bought gas before, putting him in unfamiliar territory(on top of everything else)
I remember a story of a time I went out, it was first year in uni and went out with some new friends to a somewhat expensive place. I was too embarrassed to ask for money, I didn't know my pin (new card as well) because I never spent more than 25€ for anything with it, for some reason that store had a thing and needed the pin even for less than 25€. I put the wrong pin twice and then it said last try and your card will get locked.
I told the guys "I might need money, I can't remember the pin". Then I went and got it right on my last try :D
Different you shudnt have tried for the 3rd time lol, what if u had ur card locked? Ur mates shudve stepped in to pay
I'm confused about your examination about the fight to the death in the woods. you said it would have been nice to see the victor and how he faced his doxing, but I'm pretty sure he's dead. Kenny killed him and that's why he walks out alive. They quite literally had to fight to the death. But anyway, love your videos! Clicked on the link as soon as I saw it.
Rose K I think he meant it'd be interesting to see what path/ordeals the other pediofile took to get to the woods.
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Anthony Weir
That was before. He then said it would be interesting to see if the victorious pedophile escaped with the money. I guess he forgot about the text saying they have to fight to the death and figured Kenny just got beat up.
this guy is right. kenny still had his money
That's exactly what I was going to say. Kenny is the one who walks out victorious, they lead you to believe this is the twist of the episode. Because you expect Kenny to die and at this point in the show you feel bad for him, and are rooting for him. Once he walks out of the woods, bloodied with a bag of money in his hand, you feel like he's scott free. Then hearing about the video being published anyways, and that he is indeed an awful pedophile like the other man insinuated to him before their fight, you have an even bigger realization that Kenny is not someone to root for.
When they introduced Hector, an adult who had done something much worse than what I thought Kenny did, I thought that the episode would end with the two of them being forced to choose one of them to die and that Hector would kill Kenny because Kenny had less to lose, since all he did was look at (what I assumed was normal) porn. I thought that the hackers were just monsters using Kenny as an easy target because he's a scared teenager. Then the other pedophile asked "How young were they?" and I realized that the entire narrative had been manipulating me from the start. The use of trollface was solid, as well.
I disagree with you about Kenny's actions being harmless though. If there was no audience for child porn, it wouldn't be made. Kenny is part of the audience and by contributing to demand, he is enabling supply, which makes his actions quite harmful. I also am skeptical that he would have gone his whole life never actually abusing a child himself; indulging his desires by looking at the images would just further normalize it in his mind, and maybe get him worked up until he feels the need to find his own victim to experience the real thing, I think.
Also: what the hell was he thinking, googling "malware removal" and just downloading the first thing that popped up? That had me yelling at the TV almost as much as the big reveal.
You had me at "the use of trollface was solid". The episode trolled us.
if you search malware removal you'll just get a bunch of malware lmao
He doesnt contribute to demand if he isnt buying it.
"I also am skeptical that he would have gone his whole life never actually abusing a child himself; indulging his desires by looking at the images would just further normalize it in his mind, and maybe get him worked up until he feels the need to find his own victim to experience the real thing, I think."
not defending his actions but thats like saying if i play murder games like GTA 5, i might find it easier to murder people in real life.
@@saruboss18 no because _"it"_ involves real people whom have been forced to do this
real _children_
it is not fiction, it is not fake, so the GTA thing is not a valid comparison
Sir bronn of the blackmirror
The moment when you cheared for the main character then the ending I'm like well shit
the whovian with a small collection cheered*
the whovian with a small collection I still felt bad for him. The stuffs he’s into is absolutely fucked up but he didn’t deserve what was coming to him
When I first watched it I didn't catch that Kenny was a pedo. I just thought at the end he shaking his head in disagreement with the other pedo when he said "how young were they"
Same. Although, the fact that I missed it only made his mum screaming at him on the phone even more powerful when I did realise.
same! everyone says they knew when the guy asked how young they were but i didnt get it. it made the phone call sooo intense for me
I knew in the beginning when he had a lingering stare towards the kid in the restaurant
Robot Ronnie same
Robot Ronnie until I watched this episode
i feel like the blackmailers made him do so many increasingly illegal things is because the punishment for having child porn isn't really the most severe, so they want him to have a worse track record than he would if they just leaked the video.
robert presley yup exactly what I thought as well.
I dunno, armed robbery in British prisons is a pretty respected crime. Pedophilia, on the other hand....
The more that watch the higher the demand the more that are hurt
Stigma on Paedophilia is way worse in the UK. Criminals get beat up and killed in prison by other criminals for being Paedophiles.
Dingle Barry so they know first hand the impact it has on a child and still choose to carry the cycle on and inflict that upon another child, yeah they can all get shot
To me the sign of a good twist is that is answers questions you didn't have
It explains why he was so against his sister using his laptop, and subsequently put a lock on his door.(he was afraid that she would go on his search history)
It also explained by he didn't really show any interest in his boss' obvious interest in him.
And it also made the scene with the little girl which was at first really cute and sweet into something very disturbing.
Radiohead literally makes the ending scene
Olly Dyer so fucking true
Its reminded me of westworld's ending
Lol yes
I love this analysis. I don't think the end is necessarily supposed to make you "hate" Kenny. It's throwing your preconceptions into the blender. It's making you question whether otherwise "good" people, or at least humans you could otherwise sympathize with, have dark evils inside them. It made me question myself. What if the darkest depths of my own personality or perversions were exposed for all to see? The things that are so private to us we maybe don't even admit to ourselves, don't identify with?
Especially when thinking in relation to pornography, it is so easy to avoid thinking of it as taking an active role. This same commentary is brought up in other episodes of Black Mirror - the twisted voyeurism of the girl in White Bear and the twitter users of Hated in the Nation who did not hold themselves accountable for the vigilante deaths that they hashtagged in support of. Perhaps we could imagine that Kenny, like many of us, thought that because he was "only watching" and not participating that he could escape the blame of being an active participant. But of course if we assume this is real child porn, that means real children were abused for it to be made. Are we a bit like Kenny in our own ways? By viewing "anonymously," we have a false sense of not being active participants when really, we still are.
Criminally underrated comment here.
bluepinata
most comments are,
"the ending shocked me" yours was an incredible analysis,probably better than the video itself
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Holy shit dude. This comment blew my fucking mind. One of the best internet comments I’ve ever read in my life. Tip my cap to you good sir. Or ma’am haha.
I should have figure out the twist from the scene where he gives the little girl her toy. Every scene means something in Black Mirror and that was foreshadowing
"Wasn't actually hurting anybody". You might want to rephrase that
i know it's very disgusting but yes he wasn't.
and don't deserve that .
Saying he wasn't directly hurting anybody might be a better way to phrase it, I still agree with the overall point that the hackers' treatment of Kenny and those close to him is unjust and an awful way to handle the situation. The voice of Kenny's poor mother at the end (really good acting) especially made me hate the hackers.
Black mirror is one of the best tv series I’ve watched in a while
Edge *ever
my favourite show was twilight zone and black mirror really gives me the same feels : ) top 3 show forsure, hope they make more
And dexter
fax
it would be better if every episode wasnt done already by another source...
Kenny and hector(the main characters in the show) are the same names as the gerbils in black museum
Dharshini Mahesh mind fuck !!
Oh yes!!!
this may reference to how they were treated like gerbils or guinea pigs in these episodes. really interesting series
Dharshini Mahesh Oooooh
OOOOOOOOOOH PLOT TWIST!
This episode reminded me a lot of the movie Nerve (2016) only this was more effectively disturbing.
Marcus Chang i was thinking the same thing!!!
I like that movie
Nerve is nothing compared to this masterpiece
The episode "white bear" kinda reminded me more
The scariest part of the episode to me is how smugly SADISTIC the blackmailer is indicated to be. This unseen figure clearly relishes being able to terrify, torment and control people. It's really not about "righting wrongs", because the blackmailer makes Kenny and the others commit MORE wrongs, like robbery and murder. Whatever these people originally did, there's a difference between proper delivery of justice and just playing a big cruel fixed game with the accused.
It kind of reminds me of the Sherlock Holmes story about Milverton, the "king of blackmailers". Even after encountering so many murderers and criminals, Sherlock has more disgust for Milverton than any of them. Food for thought.
I get ur point but robbing a bank and killing a fellow pedo? Seems ok
Pedophiles generally dont get a lot of time inprision for their crimes, so you can look at this being a means of assuring he gets time for all those he hurt.
@@Mia-es6bb I'm not saying child molestation isn't bad - I'm just saying that blackmailing someone into committing crimes is ALSO wrong and we can't ignore that.
Well, yeah it would be wrong if the crimes were dangerous. The bank robbery was done with a pistol that had no bullets in it, and the fight was between two pedophiles so regardless the murder would happen to either one of them who deserve to die. Notice how only the pedophiles are forced to fight each other to the death, the guy looking for a prostitute or the woman with racist emails were simply just used for advancing the eventual fight between the pedos.
Yeah I agree. The blackmailer is sort of like the secret psychopath in the episode.
Just finished watching The End of the Fucking World and didn't realize it was the same actor until I saw this video haha.
Ahh, thought he seemed familiar
Ironically, it features a scene where his character gets harassed by a middle-aged pedophile.
How ? It’s not like many people look like him
BRANDT9877 in black mirror he looks like a soft small, but also a pervert teen. In The End Of The Fucking World he looks like a harsh depressed emo dude. He really is a great actor
Me neither till this comment ahaha 😂
i was with you until you said kenny wasn't harming anyone. assuming he was watching/looking at stuff meant for what he was doing and not just regular photos of kids, he is contributing to the consumption of that content, and therefore giving the creator more incentive to hurt more children.
angel oof
Wrong. People who make all forms pornography do it for themselves and their own gratification. Even if it was the 1970’s and there was no way to share video/pics, people would film sexual things anyway.
angel But you can't know he was looking at child porn. They say he was looking at pictures which, with the amount of time he was typing, were probably just some google images of kids. Not saying it's okay, but it would mean no children had to be harmed.
Except we dond see him giving them money, he could pirate it. Its not great but he didtt harm anyone actively. And he did need lo let some steam of which may saved him from doing something stupid outside.
That is a widely spread myth. Also, not all cp involves hurting children, like the Ukrainian studio that got raided in 2004 shot just young girls in the nude in agreed upon settings after negotiating with their parents. The harder material is produced by people trying to justify their actions and the FBI has by now dealt with most of that.
This logic is also like "gun manufacturers are contributing to school shootings". Yeah, in a way but that doesn't make them liable for murder.
Great video, but a couple points to be made
1- Hector was being blackmailed with the escort website he visited, not videos of him sleeping with escorts
2- Kenny won the fight at the end. It was a fight to the death with only one person walking away. So he now walks away guilty of viewing illegal images, bank robbery and manslaughter.
He had to kill that guy in the end or he would've been killed.
Kill or be killed
Inukshuk Entertainment its still manslaughter. Murder 2nd degree.
@@inukshukentertainment6643 no, he could've just went home, let the video be distributed and serve far less time than he'll have to now with bank robbery and murder
@@korykent5645 yea like he's a minor, it was life or his reputation
Kenny is portrayed as a decent, innocent and overall nice person. He seems to be extra sensitive, hence why he flips out so drastically over the messages and the threat of his video being leaked. The writers are genius for doing this, because it effectively makes the viewer sympathise and root for Kenny to stop his video being leaked. However, the twist comes at the final moment and we realise Kenny does deserve to be caught and exposed, so we feel instantly bad and guilty ourselves for supporting a paedophile. This episode is by far my favourite, mainly because it holds suspense, but also I love how ironic the whole concept is. The hackers use troll faces as a way of delivering the moral and want to teach the “victims” not to take their lives for granted. However, us viewers also receive our own troll faces towards the end as we realise we’ve been manipulated and tricked into supporting Kenny the whole time. It just goes to show how easily we can be manipulated as a society by the influence of technology and our unawareness of it.
But technically, Kenny is benefitting off the exploitment and torture of children
Yeaa and I still feel bad for him. I mean its a horrible thing but, was it really necesary that kind of torture? wouldnt it make more sense if the hackers attacked the ones making the child porn?
He got what he deserved. CP and the people that watch it all deserve horrible, torturous deaths.
Yeah, the peeps that make are horrible people. But they wouldn't make it if nobody watched it. There are disgusting people out there that are the audience for this crap.
I wish all pedos would die this way
+Jennifer Ramirez the trolls obviously saw the child porn too otherwise they wouldn't know that Kenny could get in trouble for what he was watching. yet as far as we know they never saw justice, they could have jerked off as many times as they wanted or shared it with as many people as they wanted, but their anonymity automatically makes them the good guy?
Also where are the studies saying that without demand there would be no child porn can you link them? Or at least tell me what the logic is because I don't see it.
There is a demand for lots of awful/illegal stuff:
When Obama was president a lot of Republicans said they'd be happy if they saw a video of his head getting chopped off. Murdering is illegal especially the president, yet if some crazy fuck actually did find and behead Obama, would we blame these Republicans for saying they'd be happy to see it? Because that's the exact logic you're using with Kenny It doesn't make sense. Getting rid of a demand for something is impossible, penalizing people who supply something illegal simply because there is demand is much more workable.
What about mass shooters getting media attention and having their crazy videos shared all over? This surely creates a demand by sickos to see even more of this stuff, and even promotes more shooters who wanna get famous, and as far as American law is concerned news outlets and anyone with an internet connection can legally view/share these files of sociopaths mowing people down (take the Vegas shooting as a prime and recent example)
Also, gore and snuff films arguably have a much higher demand and a far higher number of people willing to supply these types of videos, yet it's not regulated at all. all you have to do is type "gore" into Google images and instantly be met with real life murders, tortures, rapes, and tons of fucked up shit like that, and the statistics indicate that murders tortures and rapes are far more common of a crime than child porn, so why is it so much easier and basically legal to Google a far more common crime that kills and hurts many more than child porn?
If Kenny had instead watched "2 guys 1 hammer" he would have ended up watching a man being stabbed repeatedly in the face with a screwdriver and beaten in and out of consciousness with a hammer by 2 young boys (completely real) and he never would have been in trouble for anything, because you can still easily find "2 guys 1 hammer" on Google (don't look it up). I bring this up because it really points out your flaw in your supply and demand theory, because some dude on the internet ACTUALLY paid these young boys to videotape murders of multiple people and post it online, there was a real demand for this type of video, and still is, yet this video can be found by any 12 year old dumb enough to look it up, and that 12 year old could in theory enjoy it or jerk off to it without ever facing any punishment.
Classic childhood lesson: Two wrongs don't make a right. CP is awful and the people who watch it need help, be it mental or being helped into a cell, but it doesn't excuse what he was then exploited to do; Robbing a bank and then killing a man.
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This episode made me attach a tape to my webcam
john 321 Why? Do you have something to hide?
Paul No it creeps me out that someone could be recording you. My kid could be changing in front of it and some perv somewhere could be recording it
john 321 Don't be an idiot then, don't download software that can't be trusted and don't leave your cameras on constantly
Paul I don't, but nowadays hackers are getting smarter. I have a vpn and Norton installed. It just gives me peace of mind when I've covered my webcam, all thanks to this episode
john 321 Hackers can't get into your stuff unless you allow them to by downloading shady stuff. The only other person that can see your stuff is your browser and internet provider, and aslong as you use Google and a trusted ISP you should be fine. In fact using a VPN is risky. VPNS work by going through other servers to acess the internet, which means if you are using a shady VPN they can see your stuff.
You missed the strongest mindfuck moment in the episode.
At the very start, the guy "helps" a little child... We all tought it was just kindness.
It wasn't.
I thought he pointed that out quite clearly with his use of clips and saying "rewatching the episode shows Kenny in a totally different light" while showing his interaction with the little girl.
But what if the authors just lead us into a trap?
Maybe the episode is about what people do to just keep an unimportant secret.
And they just put many wrong hints through their cutting.
Oh oh oh, the scene where he looks at the children’s drawings makes sense now.
"He wasn't actually hurting anybody"
He was though, without viewers those horrible films wouldn't get made, afterall.
He wasn't paying for the porn. It was already floating out there. There is no variable benefit to the added Kenny-view. This argument is retarded and wouldn't fly in any economic language
How do you know he wasn't paying?
Furthermore, we're not paying to watch UA-cam videos, are we? Yet they still get made and people still make money off them.
The kid is not even a full-fledged adult, empirical testing on his demographic and basic common sense would make the assumption safe to make. If you are afraid he will eventually turn into someone who pays for such things, maybe deal with the source of the problem (immaturity, mental issues, etc). Porn images (different than videos) are usually not paid by the view because in our case the money would have to come from advertisements and in the case of images you can't count that accurately. Sure, there are cases against both assumptions, but you shouldn't focus on these outliers you should take what's most probable and find the best solution
Why is everyone forgetting that he looked at pictures? He didn't watch any videos.
honestly i think alex might have meant something more like 'someone had to be hurt for kenny to have access to that photo' or at least thats more accurate to say, because while kenny himself did not go out and hurt anyone, someone had to be hurt for him to enjoy his kiddie porn
This Rick and Morty episode was FUCKED up.
this deserves more likes lol
I just remembered the scene where he gave a kid her toy back. I was wondering why they had to show all that but wow
Holy shit right !!! :0
When I saw the title I was expecting a Party Rock type apocalypse or something. This episode completely blew me away
I'm a simple man, I see a Black Mirror analysis, and I click on the video
PotatoesAreGood :3 Of course
Same! It's a facinating show and it's always interesting to hear what other people noticed and think about the content!
This comment works on 2 levels.
I'm an intentional person, I search Black mirror analysis and click HMC first
“We see several other slaves” *Switches to a black Man*
*one of the only other slaves in the episode*
Jeez not everything is race, he just happens to not be white, calm down pc police.
Ffs haha I shouldn’t have laughed so hard
Nathalia Archer lol I think it was a joke
"or robots" Switches back to white boi
The 2009 meme reveal ruins the endings impact for me a lot.
Yeah dosnt This take place in the future? Pretty odd unless they’re just grown up 4chan users
this is likely one of the only episodes that take place in the incredibly near future or the present
It was actually a perfect ending with that. What would you have had them do? The whole point was that everything they did didn’t even matter. Edit: typo
Dad ...same haha
It was actually perfect. What other symbol conveys better the word "troll"? And not just the creature, this symbol, the face smiling at someone's disgrace for the fun of it is the whole point that finally tells you what kind of person is on the other side of the screen. In National Anthem, the person that blackmailed the Prime Minister wasn't having fun with it, he was doing it for the art alone. He didn't hurt the princess, he hurt himself for the sake of his art. It was to prove many points about the Minister, the midia and the society, and he even killed himself before seeing if it'd really happen or not. Meanwhile, the blackmailers in Shut Up And Dance are malicious and sociopathic trolls that believe they can make justice with their own hands. Instead of handing the proof of those crimes to the police, they are the judges and executors in a nasty game. They psychologically abuse someone that could easily only go to jail for pedophilia and pay for his crimes, and make him steal and murder. They take a guy that wasn't even engaging in illegal activities (the guy Kenny was paired w/) and make him go along with robbery. In fact, all people involved became accomplices in that crime and it was organized by those blackmailers. They are the real danger that will remain free. And they're laughing while doing it.
I’ve literally come to this directly after watching the episode and I’m literally just 😟