Galactic Barriers (Star Trek)
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- The Barriers are two linked phenomena that mark the inner and outer limits of the milky way galaxy in the Star Trek mythos.
The Galactic Barrier is a turbulent storm of negative energy that bubbles the galaxy perhaps keeping ships in. Or something else out?
The Great Barrier sits around the galactic core and seems to have held back a mysterious entity.
The Enterprise and Kirk's crew are some of the only people to have visited both.
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The Barrier is a shield that keeps the Star Trek and Star Wars galaxies separate. It's powered by Lawyers.
Well, that and the fact that Star Wars takes place in the past
@@TrevorMuraoka Consider how long it would take to travel from/to a galaxy far, far away, especially without any safely mapped hyperspace corridors...
Maybe, but this is Star Trek we're talking about. Time is malleable, what with all the time travel, temporal incursions, finger-snapping Qs, and Nexi flitting about. I'm honestly surprised chronometers still work.
@@TrevorMuraoka time is a loop. And I thought it was our near future but their past.which would set us a "long ago". I seem to remember some lore about a human sleep ship either fleeing earth's galaxy and being abducted by aliens and forced into slavery or slipping into a wormhole and ending up slaves to an alien race. Talking about starwars.
Andromeda and the Milky Way are on a collision course, the Milky Way just had the foresight to raise shields.
😁😉
@Slavir Nabru -
YES , hope that the Andromeda galaxy will raise shields to slow when coming to us ;)
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eventually they will go down to 47% :D
Current data suggests we are already colliding because the edges of both galaxies are much further out than we thought. ua-cam.com/video/tg3jpzm_-PA/v-deo.html
It will create a super galaxy but who knows what alien will be around then put it this way it will feel like a magnitude 60 earthquake across all the galaxy
"What's out there that we need protecting from?"
Plot-holes
The real question is: What out there needs protecting from us?
@@MrAranton Consistent writing ;p
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Maybe season 3 discovery will shed some light 💡
Tyranids??
Eric Manso i Hope they jump to Andromeda or another galaxy
It's like a tech level check. If you can cross it with your own tech, you meet the minimum requirements to not get wiped out instantly by the more advanced races out there. Welcome to the big leagues.
so that's where the ST galaxy's Vorlon's and Shadows went..
I prefer to think that the races of the milky way are way too aggressive and....enterprising/dynamic so we were locked in our galaxy.
Pfft, travel between galactic groups
I bet you if Sela didn't screw over the Iconians in the distant past, they would have reached said big leagues.
Thats what i call rpg action
Voyager: "It would take is 75 years to get home at Maximum Warp..."
Also Voyager: "Kirk's Enterprise was half as fast..."
Kirk's Enterprise: casually visits both the Galactic Edge and Core barriers within two decades of each other
According to warp speed charts and the Star Trek galaxy map, it would take the Enterprise E two weeks to get from the romulan neutral zone to earth.
They only had to travel through the alpha quadrant so it may not have been as long of distance
The reality of the situation is that there's no amount of twisted logic that will explain how warp travel times work in the show. The viewers didn't really start getting crazy about the science and consistency of Trek until partway through TNG. Up until (and past) that point, the science and tech were secondary to the plot. The reality is that warp travel takes as much time as the plot calls for.
Kirk has visited both barriers and crossed the galactic barrier 3 times. Where no man has gone before , by any other name. And. Is there in truth no beauty?. He's gone to the Center one once. Star Trek 5. Voyager is a wimp., take that Janeway.
@@jimskywaker4345 going to the edge then back and to the center means they must have traveled a distance greater then half the diameter of the entire galaxy, and thats not counting all the other trips they did during the ships use. this can only really mean one thing, and that would be that the Star Trek lore is HIGHLY inconsistent and full of plot holes and contradictions... soo... nothing new 😄
Consider what could be so dangerous that it makes being locked in a room with the Borg the lesser of 2 evils
Consider that Star Fleet isn't locked in a room with the Borg... the Borg are locked in a room with Star Fleet.
@@setojurai Replace Star Fleet with......Janeway! ;)
@@Wayoutthere The GENOCIDAL maniac!
Well it's likely the Borg didn't exist yet when the barrier was made.
Remember that the Soviets built their wall not to keep the west out, but to keep the people of the east from leaving. It seemed to me and my family that Roddenberry liked to use his show to make statements about the world he lived in.
It's telling that Q refers to the Borg, one of the single most threatening races that the Federation has ever dealt with, as a "taste" of what's to come. That suggests there are *far* worse out beyond the barriers than even the Borg.
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Now we're falling into Lovecraftian cosmic horror.
Or even within the barrier. In STO the Iconians made the Borg look like the bully down the street and the Federation was only saved because a certain captain of a certain starship managed to prove that the conflict was all a big misunderstanding, and the Hur'q have forced the Dominion to seek out the Federation for Aid. And then there's the Vaaduar, who aren't necessarily a borg-or-worse tier threat but are still a pain in the ass, the Elachi, also pains in the ass and arguably borg-tier, and the Na'khul, who aren't necessarily a conventional threat but love to mess around with the timeline - admittedly the last ones are the Federation's fault for not using the Tox Uthat to restore the Na'khul system's sun before burying it in the past on Riza...
The Borg are weak to kinetics, anyway. They're not a threat if you weaponize replicators to print 21st century machine guns and armor-piercing rounds. The Borg can't adapt to kinetic energy because kinetic energy doesn't have any frequencies to adapt to. Starfleet is just too stupid to realize that more primitive weapons are the answer. Machine guns would shred drones like wet tissue paper.
DolphyBlueDrake yeah I think Picard was the only one that realized that back in first contact
@@DolphyBlueDrake Yeah but, you do that enough and the Borg start developing both personal and starship armor that is probably more lightweight AND stronger than anything we could dream of.
Maybe other species have tried kinetic weapons and got assimilated, and Starfleet Intelligence figured that out.
The Q explanation is probably the most solid. They're always futzing about the place, doing what have you.
Lol
That's what was stated in one of the books (which I know are non-canon). They put them up to protect the galaxy from things like the STV God and other hostile energy beings, one of which was basically an evil Q.
@@ytmndman
The head at the center of the galaxy and the being outside it was named 0 (zero).
If only the Imperium of man had a galactic barrier it would give the tyranids a run for their money.
Our galaxy is the realm of the Q. Thus why they protect it. If you've ever listened to Spock vs Q you will know there's more in the Universe than just the Q. LMNO.... comes before Q ;)
Voyager: gah! It’ll take DECADES to cross the galaxy!
TOS: hold my ill defined propulsion technology.
I mean, maybe when they said "5 year mission" they meant for each episode, rather than the whole TOS+animated series.
Well I think your assuming they traveled to the edge of the disc when it would make more sense in a disc shape to travel up/down as the distance would be much shorter but to be fair I havent seen the episode in question
If they wanted to rescue the Voyager crew they could have dusted off an old Constitution Class and just went out there and picked them up.
They were clearly using a tardigrade engine off-screen.
They keep The Tyrannids out.
They keep Chuck Norris in.
Or the extra-galactic Orks that one ancient human probe keeps hearing laugh out beyond the edge of the galaxy.
Also Flood.
Add The Combine to the pile too.
@@tomasr.
Chuck Norris is an overrated jackass.
Oof^
It’s actually to protect us from the Yzhuang Von-
oh wait wrong franchise...
Lol. Not to mention, the Western half of the Star Wars galaxy.
Also sadly no longer canon. Fuck Disney
You got it all wrong, it's obviously the Reapers.
@@TheFluffyDuck It wasn't really ever true canon. Lucas always had no real issues with writers doing stuff in his Universe but he always maintained that only stuff that appeared on-screen was actually "Lucas" canon, regardless of any endorsement by Lucas of novels. Instead the novels comprised the EU, which was essentially a parallel universe to the movie one with its own distinct canon. Everything that happened in the first six movies also happens in the EU, but not necessarily the other way around. That Universe still exists, but has just been renamed and is still canon in its own right and diverges drastically from the main movie Universe after Return of the Jedi. So the Yzhuang Vong are still as much canon now as they ever were.
I personally like the EU and think Disney cannon is stupi
Since we know that Time Travel is possible maybe Starfleet from the future created the Barrier. To protect the timeline from intergalactic threats.
Or its something to keep Humans from leaving the Milky Way.
@@Sirstas79 ; If that is true, than that plan failed.
@@Sirstas79 but don't ship go across galaxies in the 26 century tho
That's so depressing...
If so then they would have deleted several events and therefore deleted the need to do that. Therefore the barrier wouldnt have existed.
They wouldnt have done that
I love time travel
In the TNG episode “The Nth Degree” Barclay takes the 1701-D to the “center of the galaxy” which is the domain of the peaceful Cytherians who presumably had the technology to return the D to federation space when they were done sharing information with each other.
@7MGTESupraTurboA The point of Star Trek is that a lot of alien races evolve beyond the need for conflict or needless fighting in order to channel their race's energy and resources into intergalactic travel. The Klingons used to be a lot more scientific, but for some reason the warrior caste made a huge comeback and many people left their fields of work. The Romulans were based on a Rome that refused to fall because it was both the height of their power and the height of their infighting. The real threats in Star Trek are the beings that don't understand the concept of causing harm to humanoids, or the beings that lack the morality to not treat other races as a plaything.
@Idiot Online Wondering Aloud Cytheria is the reason for the Galactic Barrier. Gotta stay dry somehow.
What kind of threat do you have to be for the entire Q continuum to say, "im going back inside and locking the door."
Ok this has nothing to do with star trek but when walking across hot coals you should NEVER run its a guaranteed way to get third degree burns on your feet, the best way is to walk normal across them trying to disturb the surface as little as possible.
So the coals will form a layer of ash on them that acts as a insulator stopping ""most"" of the heat from reaching your feet, this is how coal walking is done.
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@@creamofthecrop9388 ... wat
I've always thought that you have to apply cooling liquid on your feet like alcohol or gasoline before treading over smoldering coals. Many thanks for the info.
@@Itoyokofan GASOLINE!?
With that ominous ending a phrase comes to mind.
"stare into the void long enough, something stares back."
If the barriers are for protection then it would have to be a threat so great that it would unite all, and I do mean ALL factions of the Milkyway.
@Zerebrat Eightyseven Everyone
If star trek has a lesson is that your not alone. your not the only ones out there beyond the dark. Same can be said beyond the void of the barrier. The universe has brought to light highly evolved life forms to god like beings. Who's the say life beyond the void has dangers far beyond description. If Q made the barriers it's to keep the dangers from coming threw and keep those within safe from those beyond the Dark.
I continue to wait for the exciting period of the Borg joining (or at least functionally allying with) the Federation. It was a lot of what made 7/9's story, and by extension the whole Voyager series, as compelling as it was (IMO at least) and (also IMO) the first taste of it was about the only good thing to come out of Picard season 2 (which makes it such a shame they devoted so much of season 3 to retconning it).
6:17 Tyranids. The answer is tyranids, if you accept 40k’s many Star Trek references as canon.
Recently rewatched some of the original series, and that gives a clue as to some of what may exist beyond the barrier(s). The Doomsday Machine (the only one encountered in Canon, discounting STO and other apocrypha) was an extra-galactic visitor to the Milky Way, and anybody needing something like that active, obviously faces dire threats.
As to whether or not the Barrier(s) are natural or artificial... I suspect they may of been made artificially, but in such a way that they are sustained naturally. The Torus being a shape that comes up a lot mathematically but rarely naturally.
I think you might be on the right path, here. Whoever created this barrier, might have used some natural phenomenon as a source.
And I agree with you about the Doomsday Machine - someone who needs such a weapon, must be facing more than dire threats.
Magnetic fields tend to be shaped like a torus.
Also when Spock mind melds with V'Ger he said he saw galaxies. V'Ger is an old Voyager probe that was upgraded by an alien machine race. It's possible that this machine race is also located outside the milky way galaxy.
The Space Amoeba was also from outside the galaxy. Maybe the Planet Killer was built to fight them.
Sylvia and Korob, the extremely alien servitors of the Old Ones from "Catspaw" also came from outside the galaxy. I get the impression it's a good thing the barrier is there.
This is one of the things I wish was explored more in canon
MrPingn they can’t, so I think they are just acting as it never really happened by never mentioning it after star trek 5.
Don't give Disco any ideas.
Old Man Gamer it would be interesting though. I liked the Q books where it’s explained.
I find it interesting that both Star Wars and Star Trek have Galactic Barriers.
And both of them seem to be made by higher powers to protect the Galaxy from something.
@@dreadnought-ai but if even those higher powers who are almost gods made these barriers, then what or whom is beyond it that we need protecting from?
@@dreadnought-ai Both idea were also thought of before major astronomical discoveries were made. Think back in the 60-70's they still believed æther was still a thing.
Does Star Wars have a galactic barrier? The Rebel fleet was outside the galaxy at the end of Empire Strikes Back looking at the whole thing. Also, there was the Outbound Flight project, which fully expected to go to another galaxy and only didn't only because it was sabotaged by Thrawn. And the Vong came from another galaxy, and the novel Star By Star mentions no problem crossing any edge, I think ExGal was there for just that reason: the edge was empty.
@@rjonboy7608 ; Yes it does however there are a few (2 or 3) small holes in the barrier that allow for ships to travel through. The one in ESB was the Rishi Maze.
It was also because of these holes the Vong invasion began in one single area rather than across the outer rim.
The galactic barrier seems to be analogous to the Van Allen radiation belts around earth. If you hang out in the Van Allen belts the radiation will destroy your ship and crew but if you pass through quickly there is minimal exposure.
Good thought! They, too, are also strongest near the equatorial plane but a relative non-issue at high inclinations, which is part of how the Apollo missions were able to get past - their orbits were tilted enough that they never experienced the worst of the belts. Perhaps the Federation should try sending some probes or ships out of plane.
It's the Ori, isn't it. That's what we need protection from.
trust me there are things far more dangerous out in the void space than mere space locusts and they are hungry.
@@brothersgt.grauwolff6716 YES! I've seen them! The horror, the horror...
Just think the enterprise crew saying hollow the Ori. and the captain quoting the book of Origins.
"A Prior has been dispatched to bring the salvation of Origin to the unbelievers. Hallowed are the Ori."
@@tba113 Fuck the Ori! Jihadi al Jaffar!
Capt, that isn't a negative energy barrier. What is it then? Plot Armor or worse ... a McGuffin.
Our Deus Ex machina meters are off the scale!!
"Captain! We're heading straight toward that McGuffin!"
"Don't worry #1; by the third act, it will no longer be relevant to the plot."
"...Sir I think you might want to visit the med-bay..."
Captain, somehow this being teleported inside our ship.
(Female) I come to tell you that you can not pass this barrier.
(Captain) Don't get close to her... it! As captain of this ship it's my duty to communicate ...in private... to that being that may present a threat to our kind.
But captain, the being hasn't demonstrated to be aggressive in any way.
That's right Sulu, it could kill us at a moment's notice!
Of you will ma'am, come into my courters so that I can go over you... YOUR TERMS, go over your terms, yeah.
I don’t think you even know what either plot armor or a McMuffin is, frankly.
@@cameronfielder4955 Fascinating, I sense zero humor in you. Is that why you couldn't get the joke?
About halfway through I remembered the Q Continuum series of books (which I own). Glad you mentioned them. I think they have one of the best explanations for the barriers. Also, I like how they explain how The One ended up as just a head: A fight with the Q using just raw Q power to just delete bits of him.
that bit about testing the inhabitants of the galaxy by making sure they *could* reach such vast speeds seems pretty plausible, and most likely done by the Q as a bit of fun, while guarding a prisoner.
Solid episode. You're my favorite Star Trek related source ever.
Mine too - he should have many more subscribers.
Ikr same
Janeway and Paris should know what is outside the barrier as they both achieved infinite velocity. Meaning they were everywhere in the universe at once. Paris even said he seen other galaxies.
And then they "evolved" into land catfish and had lots of land catfish babies. Some say their offspring have further evolved and are on their way to becoming a highly advanced civilization that could even kick the shit out of the borg without breaking a sweat because their blood contains high concentrations of plotarmorium.
That might be the only episode that is later shunned as non-canon. Horrible episode
we don't talk about that
Iconians! And whatever dwells within the spaces in between the Milky Way and Andromeda.
Iconians are always the answer!
TL/DR it's not the Iconians.
So yay your right!!!
And even if it were it would create paradox after paradox and just no it's not the Iconians but to get to it requires a bit of a large explanation.
The problem is the Q their timing is it prior to the Preservers or after in which case?
They either have foreknowledge of the Iconians and what will befall them (yes I know they don't care or interfere unless it takes their fancy or whim but just saying if it was the Iconians upon which the barrier was created than forwarned Q would have made it prior to the Iconians),
or why the Iconians didn't subjugate the Q prior to their ascension thus allowing them to prevent their own downfall and how does the barrier affect subspace, does Iconian technology in particular their main method of travel even interact with the galactic barrier?
If yes problem! if not we still have a problem!
if it does then we have the Q problem unless we say this is the reason that Preservers decided to turn in and cede the galaxy the way they did, which would then be a neat bit of lore that's settled.
Oh we found a galactic barrier and nothing inside it or maybe we decided to turn this galaxy into a Petrie dish having not found any life in it or it's vicinity (nearby galaxies)(i.e. oh it was already there or it was the Preservers)
(we have the when did the Q ascend issue or also what did they rewrite)
(the rewriting problem is cyclical in nature and thus never ending)
(the point of omnipotence dictates if they played a part in the barrier or they could have been subjugated into manipulating the barrier)
(so i.e. they ascend prior to the Preservers maybe here or maybe from an entirely different galaxy all together maybe a long since dead one)
(Don't Know Cant Remember Don't Care)
Irrespective they have either foreknowledge or the capacity to alter things that occur within that time surely they could affect things prior to that time but doing so invokes the many universe paradox (in which they are affecting a multiple timelines without even changing the one desired to be altered) however if they make a change after their ascension than it becomes the time machine paradox (a time machine that can only travel as far back as its creation) which in theory would allow them to affect this galaxy and timeline as they pleased up to a point while still leaving them the option to introduce other possibilities via adding additional choices or timelines.
(now you could argue a wormhole time machine theory given these are beings of immense power however the last theory I saw on that by the late Dr. Stephen Hawkings students would suggest that upon returning the time traveling mouth of the wormhole would them explode due to a build of exotic energy now I can't remember if this simply happens or is caused by matter trying to return after the traveling mouth returns i.e is it the wormhole or the matter traveling through it that is the problem? all I know is the result it's all turned into exploding energy so I will omit that from this discussion)
Back to the point
Everything is fine and dandy if the Q ascend prior to or outside of the Preserver Sphere of Knowledge and Power because the Preservers have never acknowledged the Q or their existence.
As aforementioned everything is fine if the Preservers take the blame. (but it simply doesn't make sense for them to create a Petrie dish it would seem out of character)
We don't know directly but indirectly and supported by Beta the Barriers either do not affect Iconian Tech or that issue was dealt with prior to the advent of humanity thus not the Iconians
This answers the main question of the problem if the barrier affected Iconian Tech(i mean sure they still had all of Subspace to hide inside on the inside of the galactic barrier but it would pose an issue because it would drive them to even more aggressive manipulation given the effects of warp on Subspace and other subspace utilizing Technologies.
Why Subjugate the Q prior to ascension assuming they are a Milky Way species it is assumed their lesser evolved forms are unaffected by temporal energies like the Subspace loving Iconians and thus could execute time manipulation on their behalf prior to any other race have the capacity to interfere or create said barriers (I.e. they would never have been allowed to be put up)
However, the one last issue and the most important if the Q put them up prior to both Preservers and Iconians than they did so based on foreknowledge which would have indicated that A:) the Preservers would have simply done as the did unless they encountered the Barrier than they would have tried to either communicate with its constructors or sought them out.
B:) the Iconians in much the same way would have gone the same way with the exception if they encountered the barrier they would then have known it to be super advanced and used they own advanced unaffected to tech to either communicate or seek out the barriers creators thus leaving them both still around today both in lore and in-game as unaffected factions of Preservers choices and the Iconians fall into darkness/madness
So the Preservers would say some of their Brethren following signs of life left this galaxy eons ago factions of our First born later went on to follow them out of curiosity maybe some renamant of them could help forstall this oncoming threat of the firstborn thus the Galaxy wide alliances of the Federation launch a collective ark fleet or vessel in search of the Seekers and the first born who followed their path.
C:) It's primarily the current galactic powers that were affected and held back in check by the barriers thus it must have been intended for one or more of them and as i have stated previously the odds of finding humanity at its best after each crisis point in its history set a fedration as an unlikely outcome without some reason why did american involve itself in the World Wars (many reasons but Money in the end was the most pressing and prominent although lesser mentioned motivating factor) thus we got the Allies winning both World War I and II an unlikely alliance of nations that shared just as many differences as they did commonalities thus as you expand this from a single planet to many systems than to entire sectors this inability to escape competeing powers helps drive us towards a mindset of cooperation and peace which while not in complete oppersition to our nature is quite contrary to it see our current economic reality for evidence.
the Strongest side is always the group opposed to an indiviual, the mountain is weak if we all are water than our victory is all but assured.
So it's Humanity or one of our peers not the Iconians or anything powerful enough to never have been inhibited by the barrier in the first place.
@@OrdoContra I can't believe i read all that but you make sense of it all!
@@zc6891 Lol Time just gives everyone a headache
The Iconians may be possible granted they all couldn't have been wiped out of existence during the purge. And there the only Species with the Technology to travel to literally anywhere in the 4 corners of the galaxy's In matter of seconds. How ever given there advanced transportation technology the barriers wouldn't have stopped them from going threw or out of it.
What if the barrier was simply just the Q's idea of a sick joke as the barrier cut off travel to the major megalenic cloud to the south west of the galaxy( going by earth orientation which is direct south).
There are some books which describe the barrier as being errected by Q to protect the galaxy from another being like him. memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_barrier
@@traisjames2 Specifically an entity named 0 who Q summoned using the Guardian of Forever. (0 was also involved in the incident with the Calamarain.) 0 used the Guardian to summon several similar entities, most of which were fought by Kirk. (The entities were (*), Gorgon, and The One.)
They are explained in one of the books. The barriers were put in place to protect the galaxy from 3 nearly omnipotent forces from TOS. One was the red sprite that gained power from conflict, the episode where Kirk figured it out during the sword battle with the Klingons in engineering. This first was on the other side of the outer barrier with another force that I forget. These two actually broke through the barrier hence Kirk having to deal with them in TOS. The third was the faux god at the center galaxy behind the inner galaxy barrier from STAR TREK VI. I wish I had the title of that book for you it was an amazing read.
Greg Cox
The Q Continuum: Q-Space, Q-Zone, Q-Strike
@@MrEscape314 Oh wow, thank you! Time to order some books.
The barriers are meant to protect the Milky Way from the Tyranids, because they won't be ready to face those creatures pretty much ever
What threat lurks beyond the galactic rim, held back by the barrier?
TYRANIDS!
was just about to post that. or perhaps it keeps the milky way hidden from the Reapers. ;P
more like the chaos gods and for all we know star trek in the same timeline as 40K
Symbiote Mullet only The Shadow knows.
Nah bro it's the alien bugs from star ship troopers
As soon as I heard that affects espers, I knew I needed to load my bolter.
In the last series of books written for star trek by William Shatner and the Reves-Stevens they ran across a life form very deadfly and dangerous that was kept out by the galactic barrier. It found a way through though. Very alien life.
6:27 that "bye" at the end killed me 😂😂😂
I wish more sci-fi would involve the idea of flying OVER or UNDER the galaxy, not just through it or across it. Come on..... 3 dimensions, people!
It's been argued that that's how the Enterprise reached the barrier in TOS- by travelling perpendicular to the galactic plane. Since the S.S. Valiant ended up there (one of Earths very first warp ships) and Delta Vega is right next to it, they really aren't that far from Earth. Although the Valiant still couldn't get there by itself (must be one of those space anomalies that every other Earth probe fell into)
@@jetshot2218 Even you travel in 90 degree to galactic tier, the galactic border is about 5000 ly away from earth. With VOY speeds, you need 5 years to reach the barrier.
@ Ah. 5000 ly? At the fastest the original Enterprise ever went (Warp 14.1) it would take nearly two years. Are you sure about that figure? The internet seems to give a lot of different answers (Some as small as 500ly)
@@jetshot2218 The average thick of the galactical disk is 10.000 ly. In our location, maybe its only about 6000 or 8000 ly, so you need at least 3000 or 4000 ly to reach the barrier. The sun located nearly in the middle of the disk, 65 ly north of the galactical disk centerline. They oscillated in a 250 ly range to north and south, while she moved arround the center of milky way. Looking north to the galactic disk is the constellation Coma Berenices. One would only have to see how far the most distant stars of this constellation are from us, then we know the border of the Milky Way.
The episode writers are intelligent, but not experienced. Their pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.
From another franchise...Reapers.
On a serious more I believe it to be the Iconians, Beta content supports this has the Iconians seemed to be Peaceful and much like the Federation so perhaps they made to protect life in the Milky Way.
Interesting idea and then sadly like the Xel'naga before them they were consumed by the races they set the groundwork for life is kinda funny like that isn't it
It does raise the interesting question as to why they exist if they are artificial. Something is out there that is worse than The Borg. Far worse...
Unless it's not there to keep things out, but to keep the Borg *IN* - and/or the Q, Pa Wraiths, etc. that are super powerful and not exactly the "good" characters in any story where they might appear.
The Q are the ones who made the Barriers.
But why not just set barriers around the Delta Quadrant, or parts of it. And do the same with the Bajor System?
@@Gothic7876 Source that confirms the Q put the barriers there? Because there's a kinda-sorta-not-quite-canon story that claims they did, but also provides explicit explanation of what it's there to stop, so if you're running with that explanation you already have the answer to the question of what the barrier is there to stop.
Q says, of Picard's encounter with the Borg, that it is a *taste* of what is to come.
He may have been referring to an all-out war with the Borg, sure. But what if he was actually saying that there are things out there WORSE than the Borg?
As we now know from Star Trek Picard Season 1, it's the ST Universe's equivalent of the Reapers from the Mass Effect video games: A race of highly advanced synthetic/machine beings that want to wipe out all organic life in the Milky Way in order to protect and preserve other synthetics, such as the colony of Soong Type Androids.
One wonders what they would think of the Borg? 🤔
I love that you mentioned the Q trilogy as a possible reason for the barriers, as I have read them and was thinking about them through this whole episode.
Dudeeee
".... what's out there, waiting..... "
That made the whole video for me, except, now I'm dying to have Star Trek make a cannon explanation of it!
Beyond the barrier are probably some lovecraft monsters. Creatures so nightmarish that the Q continuum couldn't stop them if They break their way through the barrier.
less likely that they're creatures the Q couldn't stop and more likely that they just don't want to have to. If they have no reason to destroy whatever's out there then they won't, by putting up a barrier they remove them from the equation completely and allow the milky way and it's inhabitants to develop safely.
@@BK-ku1zt That makes more sense. I just want a new big scary bad, and couldn't think of anything else. 1st it's the Borg then Species 8472, then the Dominions. Some sort of a universal threat.
I love the ingame footage used I love the game and I love the overall work you do in the videos!
..I said..
What does GOD need with a starship?
Well, it's my rest day, and my Son decided to go hang out with his usual gang of hell raisers and took the jaloppe. By the way, you didn't happen to see a great big cube flying about out there as you were coming in, did you? No? Figures. That bloody Jesus will be out all day long, then. Anyhow, I got a bit bored and was just thinking about some pizza, and... hey....that's why I made you lot come by. So... uh... you wanna help an old guy out?
Despite how bad the movie was, it really shows that Kirk has been doing this for far too long. You don't bullshit a bullshitter :P
You...*doubt* me?
I really like your channel but this one is one of the best especially that ending. Well done and Thank You!
Oh, one detail you forgot to mention. The S.S. Valiant was the first known earth ship to go into the Galactic Barrier (it was swept into it by a magnetic storm). They also had the issue of one of their crew members acquiring god-like psychic powers (thus providing the unheeded warning to Captain Kirk).
The Barriers seems like something a future series could explore in a whole lot more depth considering at some point all of the Milky Way galaxy will be known.
Is it possible that either tge preservers or iconians made this barrier to protect from a threat akin to either the flood or the tyrinids or from a forgotten extragalatic super power
Given the Iconians are over in Andromeda, getting their mad on, probably not. Alternatively, it could be some intergalactic power holding something inside the Milky Way.
@@defies4626 Well it DIDN'T STOP the planet eating ice cream cone DID it?
@@DMSProduktions Or the little weird puppet aliens. (Forgot the names). But, since all extragalactic intrusions were shown to have extremely high levels of power, it could demonstrate the difficulty of crossing. Who knows how many lesser dangers the barrier may have stopped?
@@kevingooley9628 I guess we'll NEVER know!
The Prethoryn Scourge
The exact question is: "What lies beyond our galaxy?"
Could be Reapers, but that's too much past decade
@@EduEnYT The tyranids are coming for a visit
Maiby a more advanced human species that created humans. We where like an experiment and our goal was to travel outside the milkeyway and contact our "parents". ?
Inb4 extragalactic space is just a 3d projection, the kelvans are just con artists from the outer arms of the beta quadrant, and there's nothing outside the milky way
I like that ending "what's out there, waiting?... bye!"
Obviously, the barrier was put in place to protect us from the Reapers.
That's what I thought. :-)
Reapers? Is this from M.E.?
"What's out there... waiting..." quietly in the distence "Make us whole...."
"Twinkle twinkle little star..." _[cue monstrous Necromorph noises]_
Reaper: hello there :)
@@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world Chuthulu: am I a joke to you!
thanks for making this!
These episodes are really well done, and I'm enjoying them a lot. This one was informative and, at the end, pretty creepy!
If zero is a malevolent entity perhaps the milky way is one of the few inhabited (or free if zero is an enslaver) galaxies in the local group.
Reminds me of the Tyranids.
zero sounds more akin to star vampires
Zero was from a completely different reality. About 65 million years ago Q was bored and asked the Gateway to forever, to show him something new. It showed him Zero. Q eventually brought Zero into his reality. As well as the One and the energy being called * (asteriks). Anyway Zero had power to match any single Q. Most importantly Zero was crippled. Whoever put Zero where Q found him, had broken his ability to instantaneously travel. Any travel from the barrier would take millions of years for Zero to accomplish at the speeds he could move at. So, he was stuck outside the barrier and driven insane by his imprisonment.
Star Wars has a similar 'barrier' around the galaxy that is created by the Living Force, which literally binds the galaxy and everything in it together and ships are not able to pass through it (despite what they showed at the end of Empire Strikes Back), it also keeps out certain things like the Yuuzhan Vong.
Yes thank you for mentioning the Q Continuum series books!! One of my favorites!
Great video! Great like a Barrior!
I liked the answers given in novels "The Q Continnum". Zero was a good villain.
I am at the same time very fanserviced by how the novels string a lot of unrelated things together in a way the Q Continuum trilogy excels at and also find it makes the galaxy very small.
@@tparadox88 I often read more TOS than any other Trek universe novels. Are the Q Continuum novels worth the time? Thanks.
TOS' plot are really unscientific by today's standard
Well, it WAS more FICTION than science!
To be fair, a lot of the science of the 60s is unscientific by today's standards. That's the progress of knowledge, for you.
It's a mix between early Star Trek being less serious and 60s science being 60s science. The way warp travel is supposed to work is a good example of how our knowledge changes overtime. In the 60s they had a very basic knowledge of it, only going as far as to understanding that somehow warping space time could result in an FTL drive. Today instead we have a much deeper understanding of the various methods that might be employed to do it, and the effects they would have when interacting with the ship or what is outside the area of effect of the drive, with many different theories having formed, such as the Alcubierre theory and the Warp Screen theory.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 TOS was less 'serious' only because the network wouldn't LET them BE so! Roddenberry's original vision WAS a show of serious concepts. But THEN we got The Prisoner! Be seeing you!
Because . . . . M A G I C ! ! !
:-D
Man that great barrier explanation with the Q is awesome
Now this would be a fun series to explore. There's a comic book I've been reading that has Q messing around with the other group of aliens that are on his level of development (the organians, prophets, etc) and it made me think it would be a good change of pace if we had some stories set from their point of view, and about the things that aliens on another level of existence have to deal with. I like this video, the entire galaxy having a shield is a really neat idea.
Outside the Barrier are the Zerg, Tyranids, Yuuzahn Vong, Reaper and Wraith whaiting to destroy the Star Trek Galaxy. XD
Kovu Wolfszahn nice. they must pass!
Don't forget the intergalactic white walkers
Or Hur'q and Kam'Jahtae 🙄
The Zerg and Sgadows are from this galaxy. Though the Shadows do eventually pass through the galactic barrier to join to the other ancient races.
I'm not saying it's Iconians.
but it's Iconians.
Love the video more please
@ 5:12 Q-Space, Q-Zone, and Q-Strike. Great reads!
Well, it is protecting the rest of the universe from us.
I feel bad for those empires that have to live with Humans in the Star Trek galaxy.
I mean, in the trek universe, there are many many many worse things than people :/ In the first place, humans are pretty great.
Would be easier to create a barrier around earth or the sol system
@@Zotemann Acctualy a great comment.
Zote der Mächtige it’s kinda funny that there actually is one in real life
you think you'll ever be interested in the Warhammer 40k universe? Your videos are cool and I'm just suggesting here
No, too much WH40k in UA-cam, thank you!!!
I personally love the idea that the barriers were created to safeguard the Milky Way. Adds a fascinating element of mystique to them and a dash of eldritch flavor.
The Q series of books are a fantastic read. So many story line tie-ins and explanations of various things in Trek lore. Highly recommend reading the compilation of all 3 Q stories in one book.
*Suddenly Stellaris prethoryn scourge appears in galaxy, rip everyone
MUGANI? HAK HAK HAK!
@@boxman9033 Go back to your own galaxy Scourge
@@joshua211111:
*Black hole anomaly*
_Some time later..._
The Unbidden enter the Chat.
@@blank6604 **[Contingency Noises]**
@@boxman9033 Cybrex Return
You forgot the Sytherians (sp?). In that episode where Barkley got crazy-smart and took over the Ent-D, he took them to the center of the galaxy where they met a whole race of floating-head beings that wanted to exchange knowledge with them.
Nth degree episode
While I love classic Trek, all this falls within 'it's in the script' as my brother says, he studied film & vid in college and we're both physics first folk, speculative stuff is fun, but real science even more so. Good vid ! Well explained, direct and to the point.
Okay that was nerdy cool. It's about time
Now please do a video about riker putting his leg on every table, chair and platform he can find.
You know Jonathan Frank's answered that right? He wanted his own spin on how captains sit in chairs and he thought what if I just did this and see how long til the producer says stop. No one told him to stop so he literally always did it and now its called the Ryker Maneuver just like Kobayashi and Kirk.
Ever notice how he sits down in chairs , aka the Riker maneuver.
Well wasn't there a grand finale in one of the series where after some time into the future after everyone made peace they built a ship that could cross the barrier so they could boldly go and explore and meet net people from other galaxies?
I think it was in one of the books
Federation, IIRC
@@lookoutlegolas I do not read the books it had to be one of the series. Not the Janeway one. May have been deep space 9. Or the one that focused heavily on time shenanigans. But I'm not sure I think they ended with the Vulcan and Captain having a baby or something.
Love that ending, the juxtaposition of dark & cheerful :-)
Now that would be the ultimate trek story!
one story states the barrier was created to protect the galaxy from a lifeform born of darkmatter. The Totality.
wasnt that william shattners fanfic where he made his son jesus?
@@InvaderNaj lol yup
Looks like Discovery might be revisiting the Galactic Barrier...
"What's out there... waiting... Bye!" Best ending ever.🤣🤣🤣
That creepy music LOVE IT.
Tyranids. The void between the galaxies is filled with Tyranids. Just...so many bugs.
Or a giant wooden badger, it's after the grail.
6:15 A bunch of AI tentacle monsters, apparently.
Thanks for the ominous thoughts in the end. I kid but still.
Reapers, obviously. Also I would like to see videos talking the books mentioned and just Star Trek books in general. I've never gotten a chance to read any of them but from what I've read about them the semi/beta canon they introduce and the possible different perspectives they give on more mainstream/alpha canon material seem really interesting.
Please make a video about the Zeltrons from Star Wars both Canon and legends?!
I was just thinking that Star Wars has a very similar barrier around its galaxy (I'm not sure if it's still called the Hyperspace Barrier but that's what I remember it as).
@@jetfire851 ok... So u like Earth in Star Wars fanfics?
Maybe the barriers are there to protect the galaxy from the Great Old Ones ;-)
Or vise versa given how destructive humans can be...
The book you mentioned was actually a really good book. Been a long time since I read it so the name escapes me.
Oh! The possibilities are endless!
6:21 tyranids or maybe zerg.
Why go through the barriers when you can just go under/over them? The writers display 2-dimensional thinking.
Full stop. Z minus 10,000 meters...stand by photon torpedoes.
I was very impressed by your research I did read that book about how to Q had set up multiple carriers because of Q being bored and pulling these beings and you do your research very well
Oohh a torus, very cool
The entity's name... 0... isn't pronounced "zero." It's pronounced "nil."
I thought that was for (*)?
Wait a minute, there are Star Trek: Discovery NOVELS???
Shaka, when the walls fell....
Kiteo, his eyes closed!
Mirab, with sails unfurled!
Star trek: Destiny
Dude made a fool of himself
"Where no Man has Gone Before". Good episode, and definitely one of the earliest ones. Otherwise, it boggles the mind to think of anyone who's never seen The Original Series. At least, anyone who calls themselves a fan of Star Trek.
I tried. It's pretty aged and I couldn't get past that to enjoy it. I still love ST
@@Rothbardy It worries me that you have to grow up watching it to enjoy it. :( My wife didn't, and I can't get her to watch ST with me. I grew up watching it from an early age because Dad watched it as a young kid when it aired. I'm going to have to make sure my kids start watching TOS when they're 3 or 4. :)
@@c182SkylaneRG Very few women enjoy ST. It's tailor made for men, and it's glorious :)
@@Rothbardy My mother likes it, and my sisters like it to some extent. Mom definitely likes it because Dad wanted to watch it, and they didn't live in this age of multiple screens where each person can watch their own separate show, so she was forced to sit there and watch it until she realized she liked it. :) I'm trying to think if my Aunt (Dad's sister) likes it, and I'm not thinking so, even though she loves Star Wars and The Three Stooges, other made-for-men franchises...
I like the Q explanation because I think the books where its explained how it came to be would be an epic movie.
Bad writing! That's what the barriers try to protect from!!!
Then how did we end up with Voyager's Threshold?
@@salenstormwing they try to protect..... unfortunately, they aren't always successful :P
This would make a good Star Trek show about a crew exploring beyond the barrier and finding the wonders and horrors that lay beyond
That would be me ideal new Trek series. The First extra galactic exploration, heck, why not set it on an future Enterprise?
a redo of this would be great @Rick to include the 10C and discoveries journey
The Q placed the barriers to protect us if Azathoth ever woke up. They didn't like the idea their fun could end because someone woke up from a nap.