@@brendanflanagan7392 Yes, and to establish a benchmark you'd make an apples-to-apples call. Comparing players not in the same league is misleading, let alone comparing across sports. By the way, my brother hasn't beaten me in 20 yrs either. Pretty good streak if you ask me.
Same year, when Jahangir beat Geoff Hunt in World Open 7-9, 9-1, 9-2, 9-2, Geoff Hunt remarked," Now I know what I was doing to others.." That was the start of 6 World Open and 10 consecutive British, 555 non stop wins. Hats Off to the athelete of the century.............. Mumbai
amazing amazing video really great work thanks alot for that golden upload that was a amazing squash days how hard it is to even think to play with these wood rackets and how they good are with it really amazing
The court movement of both players is so smooth, effortless. It's a shame squash is a game you have to play to appreciate what exceptional athletes these two are. As an American, I know most of my sports loving friends who don't play squash would see this match as boring. Of course it's difficult to appreciate the racquet skills if you haven't played, but these two move so easily the uninitiated would profoundly underestimate the endurance required.
Great upload, thanks for posting. Geoff Hunt's movement is terrific, he seems to stroll round the court. As for the debate about these guys and the modern era, that's a tough one to call. It's a bit like asking if George Best was as good as Ronaldo. I do think the game is more attacking these days and less attritional but I'm sure the older generation would have adapted their game, they've got the same racquet skills and if anything, these two hour slogs on British scoring would make them fitter
And there's a massive difference in the ball. The single yellow dot that is used here is so much more bouncy, so the rallies are brutally long and you get less value going for nicks. It makes a huge difference with length as well. The deader modern double yellow is constantly dying in the back so openings come more often as players are digging the ball out under more pressure more often than with the single yellow dot, which bounces off the back wall more and allows for an easier drive. So the 1970s-early 80s game is very different to the game since they changed the ball and changed the scoring. The modern point-every-rally scoring really changes the psychology of the game. The chance to win a point with a winner using a deader ball is a great incentive to play your shots more than holding on in the rally to win the hand out back, against the serve, where any error concedes a point to your opponent.
Thanks for uploading. Fantastic to see the stars of yesteryear - especially Geoff Hunt. Very rare to see videos of him playing. There's a bit more of Jahangir's videos around, though nice to see him in his early days.
I'm with you on that. GH and JK are two of my idols. I used to play with those racquets in the 70s and 80s. Lower tin in PSA today is largely responsible for increased front court play, also the lighter racquets, which enable players to take the ball earlier. Larger heads have enabled big improvements in accuracy (and power of course).
absolute gem of footage . Thank you . Those rackets were 250 -300gms ? and 70% smaller . 3-4 years after this footage Jahangir switch to graphite of 200-220gm and you can see he was very modern and became the most domineering squash player ever. Ashour may be among most skillful perhaps and my fav. today but may be abt same genius class as Jahangir , Jansher , Hunt . Ashour however a lot less domineering much due to injuries.
John Thompson : yes, should have reference as most domineering men players instead . Well aware of Heather McKay on paper's records but honestly don't think the competitions was equally intense in the 60s & 70's for ladies vs the 80 & 90's of men. Heather McKay indeed had incredible records ( undefeated for 19 years and 16 British Open ) and also represented Aust on field hockey ! Have seen some you-tubes of Heather master's game in early 90s. She still incredibly strong at those age.
The rally at 49:45 - 50:00 that ends in a let - absolutely brutal on both players - particularly Hunt - at that stage of the game. My guts were hurting just watching it.
nice to see this old video...been wanting to see this match since i was a young squash player....would you have any other old british open matches ....say hunt vs jonah barrington....would be interesting best regards and thanks again
How bouncy is this ball compared to the maggot they play with these days (the double yellow). Things that really surprised me about this ... 1. How often Hunt played off the wrong foot on the backhand. 2. How close Hunt gets to the ball on the forehand, particularly in the back corner. 3. Huntie playing reverse boasts - like wha????? I remember back in the day talking about how brutal this game was - particularly on Geoff. Apparently, he pissed blood for days after this. I remember reading that he was getting desperate in the 4th and went for a backhand overhead nick winner off Jahangir's serve. He hit it flush and said later if he hadn't got that shot and won the handout to give himself a mental lift, he thought he was spent. But that nick was enough to give him the mental shot he needed to steel himself for a final push to the win. This will forever be THE classic British Open final.
Does anyone have any footage of 'Abdelfettah Abou Taleb' British Open Champion in 1964, 1965, 1966 and runner up in 1963, 1967. Would be much appreciated, thank you
what would you say are the differences in Squash between 1981 and 2013 are like ? Are the players more "complete" or did the game become even "faster" than in the older days ? I just started to fancy watching squash games online but had played myself 35 years ago but later lost contact to it and focussed on job etc. Will appreciate to receive comment(s).
It's like a game of long ball. Not a single boast or drop shop in the first few rallies. Good length and cross courts but that's it. Wondering if the older wooden frames had some impact on the style of play?
I played Hunt in a couple of exhibitions a few years later. I was also in a few tournaments in the early 80’s where Janhagir played. I was at the World Open at the Columbus Centre in Toronto where Jehangir beat Hunt. I just recently took up the game again after a 22 year hiatus. Mostly due to injuries and raising a family. The big takeaway is the ball. I did play with a graphite racquet but today’s racquets are more durable and better balanced. Strategically, I used to base my game on Hunt’s. Today however, it’s all about attacking. Which I love. I cannot tell you the number of times where I played today waiting for the ball off the back wall. Plus, I love going for nicks. I remember a game taking 45 minutes. Today a match probably averages 45 minutes or less. And then there’s the scoring. So many changes. It’s all good.
Mel Harbour Had some great sessions led by Reg with the Guernsey squad in the late 70’s early 80’s after picking my share of tomatoes in the early mornings!
Well before. Years before. But remember theyre using wooden rackets, the ball is just super hot from the huge length rallies. The english ball was considered to be slower and spongier than the Australian, which I personally can confirm.
Definitely in the single yellow dot era. Also - different makes of ball were very different. The CSG ball (Consolidated Sporting Goods) was slower, bounced flatter and I found much more controllable. The Slazenger ball was faster, skidded more, got shinier quicker, and didn't want to stay in the nick when you hit it there. So, a lot of adjustment needed just to accommodate the ball. Different temperature and even latitude really acted on the ball very differently too. Playing in Sydney or Brisbane with the single-yellow dot was very different to playing in Hobart or New Zealand. I would imagine playing in Britain with a Slazenger ball would be very different to playing in Sydney with a CSG ball. Then of course, the American ball was totally different again. It was like playing with a super-ball by comparison. Americans back then, played squash on a racquetball court, which was longer, so they used a faster ball to compensate for the extra length in the court. I think i prefer playing the old game, but prefer watching the new game.
competition than Nicol, J.Power, Lincou etc. Hisham Ashour said that Jansher Khan was the best player in history. His brother and him represent the modern attacking game of today.
I suspect that anyone who believes that Hunt or Jahangir couldn't compete with modern day players have never seen them. I refereed the BO final between these 2 in 1981: been watching international squash since 1972 and I would say that Hunt, Jahangir and Jansher are the 3 greatest players of all time.
Its so hard to compare but if you put peak Hunt against peak Mo Shorbagy, it would be hard to get any points for Hunt. But if any modern top player would try to play with those old wooden raquets and with that hyper bouncing ball, that would be hard, too. Skillwise nowadays top playesr are for sure on a totally different level.
I played with a wooden racquet from the 60's the other day (220 cm^2 head size) . Thought I would be mishitting it all the time but its really not that bad. Just heavier and doesnt have quite as much power as today's racquets. Of course the 50 year old strings broke after a few games and the restringing guys said it is too small for their machine. Those PT shorts look ridiculous!
I used to put Barrington at 4 but I rate Ramy highly so I would put him above Barrington, as I think Barrington (although exceptionally fit) would not be quick enough for Ramy. The top 3 were quick fit and too accurate for Ramy so would give him nothing for his winners.
Sorry, I meant Jahangir Khan gave more of a fight to Jansher than the modern players did. They finished almost equal in there matchups. So I believe it's fair to say that older players could have competed today. They would have to change there game as Jansher Khan had to change his game and he was succesfull in doing so
These discussions go on in every sport and I believe that the best athletes of one era can be as good as the best athletes of another. In squash there is a easy way to prove this: Jansher Khan. He played the slower game of wooden raquets and also the modern game with light racquets and the lower tin. Contemporary players that have played with him (as P.Nicol) say that he was the best of all time. I don't know who the best player of all time but J.Khan with his wooden racket gave more...
Hi Mel -Ii will most certainly have met him but can't recall, as I knew John Le Lievre, Lisa Opie & Martine Le Moignan, and your dad probably coached all of them at some time or another .Guernsey was a bit of a centre of excellence at the time, probably in no small part to your Dad.
Jahangir Khan has to be the supreme athlete in recorded history, or any sort of non-documented recall. Comparisons can be made to other sportsmen like Babe Ruth, Rocky Marciano, Bill Shoemaker, Wayne Gretzky -- perhaps Ruth (who still holds pitching and hitting records to this day) comes closest. Comparisons to other "racket sport' stars (i.e., Federer, or Rod Laver) only emphasize the gap -- as great as some of the tennis player's records are, none went on a winning streak of such duration or breadth (Jahangir played both soft and hard-ball versions of this game). In fact, most tennis greats are notable for the ephemeral nature of their reigns. Rod Laver may be excepted in this regard, given the massive gap between his two calendar year Grand Slams. Nonetheless, Jahangir Khan's utter suzerainty of the squash world is non-pareil. This man sat astride the sport like a Colossus.
Josh, you have obviously never played squash then. I played professionally in that era and coach top world players now. The older players could hold their own with the new guys. Hunt could probably beat them all if he was at his prime now.
Amazing footage. Jahanghir and Jansher would demolish any modern player. Some idiot commented the amount of cross court shots. These are wooden rackets. Many of these shots would be in the nick with modern tennis like rackets. Also it easier to dig out without boasting with modern rackets. The old scoring system reminds me of 15 round boxing fights. This ball is like a bouncy ball as it is weighted differently
I would love to see todays pros at least try the old raquets out in a practice video just to see if they could pull off the same tricks that they can do today. If people really want to compare the skill level then have them try the old raquets.
Do you know how the racquets, apart from other equipments, have changed as well? It is really wrong to compare skill level of a modern player with what they did in this game.
imagine those strokes played on wooden rackets and ball control unbelievable ,those are days when squash as physical as boxing , thanks PSA for screwing up squash by changing score and bringing squash on table tennis level
Make allowances for the much bouncier single yellow dot ball. The modern players have a massive advantage playing shots with a real maggot-dead double yellow dot. The modern ball gives much better value going for shots and it changes the psychology of the game completely. The modern players trying to put away the single yellow dot ball would struggle. Both Hunt and Jahangir hit really great nicks even with this damned bouncy single yellow dot. Some of the 1970s and early 80s players, like Jahangir, Qamar Zaman, Jansher Khan, Ken Hiscoe, Cam Nancarrow ... they would smoke the double-yellow dot - floor-skidding nicks all night. Cam Nancarrow used to sometimes train on cold nights with a red dot, and still hit maggot-flat nicks. Not knocking the skill of the modern players - they are jaw-dropping ... But the change in the ball is massive. The double-yellow brought a lot of spectacular shot-making into the game and gave players real value for going for more nicks.
Courts are a different size, points are won every rally, and the tin is lower now. All facilitating shorter more fast paced games. Watch a new game with any of the younger players that play riskier shots and it looks like a different sports entirely.
But the level of squash has increased... look at the attacking drop shots now, in early days of squash they played drop shots on rare occasions. The game has become more and more aggressive and picked up speed!
I guess you have very limited knowledge of the sport. The racket head size was way smaller, much heavier rackets and it was an effort to crouch low with those tight bottoms for drop shots. I doubt if any of the current era players would be closer to the players of that era.
JK would just out wait everyone in todays game. What he would do his just keep the rally going until he would see his opening. Todays players just shoot without a care in the wrold while jk would be happy to keep playing the long waiting game. Pall Coll has started to play like that now. He only shoots now when he has the perfect opening. JK would do just fine with todays game. With his skills it would be so easy for him to shoot with todays rackets.
No, afraid not. many memories but no videos of guernsey players. Have a a short video of the 1989 world championship team event but not very interesting
KEEP IN MIND THE TOOLS[RAQUET],BODILY EXTENTIONALITIES [SHOES], SLOWER[LESS ELASTIC COLLISION] BALL WILL DETERMINE BEHAVIOR. I ALSO FEEL THE ONLY SERVER SCORES POINT SYSTEM SHOULD STILL BE USED[MABY TO 5 INSTEAD 9] AS TENNIS FANS RIGHTFULLY CRITIQUE THE CURRENT SQUASH SCORING.
I don't actually believe he would lose to a 12 yr old girl. The point of is that the level of top level squash has increased enormously from these days. Players are faster, hit the hall harder , take it earlier and are playing much more offensively. As mighty as jahangir , his 555 matches unbeaten run although to this day the most incredible record in sports, was done with the 9 point international scoring. With today's 11 point scoring such an achievement would be highly improbable....
In my opinion, squash was a bit boring to watch back then (when I was active myself). Very focussed on safety, little risk. That has changed today. The players play much more to win points directly.
I guess it's the same pattern you see across basically all sports, where defensive techniques evolve, and then rules often have to be adjusted to redress the balance of power. In the case of squash, clearly the fitness and speed of the players increased (certainly overall, even if the top couple would be similar). Also the changes to equipment to allow lighter, more powerful racquets changed the game dramatically. Once you include both of those factors, you get into the world they did where they changed the height of the tin, and used slower balls etc.
@@MelHarbour With tennis, it's the other way round. It used to be more interesting back then when, for example, a serve and volley player like Sampras met a groundstroke specialist like Agassi. Today, all the top players play a similar game, mainly with a lot of power from the baseline.
Sorry but if you can watch this and then watch a clip of ramy playing gaultier and claim that either of these players could compete at today's level you must be in a dream world. The pace of this game is about on par with today's u-13 girls
You have never played with a tiny wooden racket weighing 3 x todays graphite large surface rackets, have you? See you JK played latercwith more modern technology. Nobody hit the ball harder. Perfect swing learnt from old racket.
the reason why this squash is so poor is the rackets they are using and like anything else in life the more its played the more its perfected over time . I'm sure in their day that was the best squash about..
@@alexpaton2818 yes correct rackets have certainly transfered the pace of the game but players now days are physically stronger and fitter than in the past you can tell that by their physical attributes. The balls was heavy back then and a lot slower, so rallies would go on for ages that's probably why the squash didn't look as appealing back then as it does now (maybe I chose my words wrong when I said the squash looks poor), I think the longest ever recorded rally was back in the late 70's-ish at about 9@1/2 minutes. Players can real off points in no time in today's squash as the game has evolved just as the player's physical attributes.
JK would just out wait everyone in todays game. What he would do his just keep the rally going until he would see his opening. Todays players just shoot without a care in the wrold while jk would be happy to keep playing the long waiting game. Pall Coll has started to play like that now. He only shoots now when he has the perfect opening. JK would do just fine with todays game. With his skills it would be so easy for him to shoot with todays rackets.
JK would just out wait Ramy. What he would do his just keep the rally going until he would see his opening. Todays players just shoot without a care in the world while jk would be happy to keep playing the long waiting game. Pall Coll has started to play like that now. He only shoots now when he has the perfect opening. JK would do just fine with todays game. With his skills it would be so easy for him to shoot with todays rackets.
Best ghosting I’ve ever seen
Incredible to think this was the last match Jahangir lost for the next 5 years. Greatest streak in the history of sports.
Heather McKay tho?...
Not even close to Heather McKay's streak.
@@brendanflanagan7392 She wasn't the top squash player. Any of the top 50 male players would've easily beat her.
@Ad Hawke - the thread is about greatest winning streak, not greatest player of all time.
@@brendanflanagan7392 Yes, and to establish a benchmark you'd make an apples-to-apples call. Comparing players not in the same league is misleading, let alone comparing across sports.
By the way, my brother hasn't beaten me in 20 yrs either. Pretty good streak if you ask me.
Same year, when Jahangir beat Geoff Hunt in World Open 7-9, 9-1, 9-2, 9-2, Geoff Hunt remarked," Now I know what I was doing to others.."
That was the start of 6 World Open and 10 consecutive British, 555 non stop wins. Hats Off to the athelete of the century.............. Mumbai
Thank you
Great Post, thank you. Brings back some wonderful memories!
i've been looking for this for 30 years, thank you
Thanks for posting this. Fantastic coverage for 81.
amazing amazing video really great work thanks alot for that golden upload
that was a amazing squash days
how hard it is to even think to play with these wood rackets and how they good are with it really amazing
Thank you very much for uploading this, I was really into squash at the time, and have never seen this.
The court movement of both players is so smooth, effortless. It's a shame squash is a game you have to play to appreciate what exceptional athletes these two are. As an American, I know most of my sports loving friends who don't play squash would see this match as boring. Of course it's difficult to appreciate the racquet skills if you haven't played, but these two move so easily the uninitiated would profoundly underestimate the endurance required.
Great upload, thanks for posting. Geoff Hunt's movement is terrific, he seems to stroll round the court. As for the debate about these guys and the modern era, that's a tough one to call. It's a bit like asking if George Best was as good as Ronaldo. I do think the game is more attacking these days and less attritional but I'm sure the older generation would have adapted their game, they've got the same racquet skills and if anything, these two hour slogs on British scoring would make them fitter
And there's a massive difference in the ball. The single yellow dot that is used here is so much more bouncy, so the rallies are brutally long and you get less value going for nicks. It makes a huge difference with length as well. The deader modern double yellow is constantly dying in the back so openings come more often as players are digging the ball out under more pressure more often than with the single yellow dot, which bounces off the back wall more and allows for an easier drive. So the 1970s-early 80s game is very different to the game since they changed the ball and changed the scoring. The modern point-every-rally scoring really changes the psychology of the game. The chance to win a point with a winner using a deader ball is a great incentive to play your shots more than holding on in the rally to win the hand out back, against the serve, where any error concedes a point to your opponent.
Thank you for sharing ,,!
Fabulous quality. The only footage I've seen of these two is blurry. Thanks for posting!
thanks for the video- brings me back to the old first to nine english rules.... those were the days :)
Even knowing the result, you are still riding every point at the end there. Amazing pressure. Hunt has a mind of steel.
Best start to any youtube clip ever....
John Le Lievre...what an unorthodox player. I can remember him at the Village in Hyde, coaching Nick Taylor at the time. Nice to watch him play
OMG - the rally at 52 minutes (ends at 52:48) ... just pain at every level. They both really dug deep.
Watching this you can see how much Jahangir learned from Hunt and stored the experience away for later battles...
Definitely. I was only maturity that won this for Hunt. Jahangir learned to value of patience here.
Thanks for uploading. Fantastic to see the stars of yesteryear - especially Geoff Hunt. Very rare to see videos of him playing. There's a bit more of Jahangir's videos around, though nice to see him in his early days.
it is very fantastic i like it continue bro
Nostalgia! Pure Nostalgia!
I'm with you on that. GH and JK are two of my idols. I used to play with those racquets in the 70s and 80s. Lower tin in PSA today is largely responsible for increased front court play, also the lighter racquets, which enable players to take the ball earlier. Larger heads have enabled big improvements in accuracy (and power of course).
great video
absolute gem of footage . Thank you . Those rackets were 250 -300gms ? and 70% smaller . 3-4 years after this footage Jahangir switch to graphite of 200-220gm and you can see he was very modern and became the most domineering squash player ever. Ashour may be among most skillful perhaps and my fav. today but may be abt same genius class as Jahangir , Jansher , Hunt . Ashour however a lot less domineering much due to injuries.
Look up who Heather Mackay is and you'll truly understand what dominating squash means!
John Thompson : yes, should have reference as most domineering men players instead . Well aware of Heather McKay on paper's records but honestly don't think the competitions was equally intense in the 60s & 70's for ladies vs the 80 & 90's of men. Heather McKay indeed had incredible records ( undefeated for 19 years and 16 British Open ) and also represented Aust on field hockey ! Have seen some you-tubes of Heather master's game in early 90s. She still incredibly strong at those age.
The rally at 49:45 - 50:00 that ends in a let - absolutely brutal on both players - particularly Hunt - at that stage of the game. My guts were hurting just watching it.
thanks for your reply. you quite right.
some reasonable rally's.....enjoyed.....very good stuff!!!
nice to see this old video...been wanting to see this match since i was a young squash player....would you have any other old british open matches ....say hunt vs jonah barrington....would be interesting
best regards
and thanks again
Geoff Hunt deserved to win for the 8th time, however Jahangir Khan looked like a future champion in this match. I'm a Pakistani.
what a champion and freak not only in squash but all elite levels Geoff hunt should be truly recognised by his supreme abilitys
How bouncy is this ball compared to the maggot they play with these days (the double yellow). Things that really surprised me about this ...
1. How often Hunt played off the wrong foot on the backhand.
2. How close Hunt gets to the ball on the forehand, particularly in the back corner.
3. Huntie playing reverse boasts - like wha?????
I remember back in the day talking about how brutal this game was - particularly on Geoff. Apparently, he pissed blood for days after this. I remember reading that he was getting desperate in the 4th and went for a backhand overhead nick winner off Jahangir's serve. He hit it flush and said later if he hadn't got that shot and won the handout to give himself a mental lift, he thought he was spent. But that nick was enough to give him the mental shot he needed to steel himself for a final push to the win.
This will forever be THE classic British Open final.
they actually just heated the ball up from just playing. The level of striking the ball was just beyond any means
That ball is smokin' hot.
Does anyone have any footage of 'Abdelfettah Abou Taleb' British Open Champion in 1964, 1965, 1966 and runner up in 1963, 1967. Would be much appreciated, thank you
Sorry, haven't got any others of this vintage. You're unlikely to find much of Hunt/Barrington as there weren't glass courts to facilitate filming.
what would you say are the differences in Squash between 1981 and 2013 are like ? Are the players more "complete" or did the game become even "faster" than in the older days ? I just started to fancy watching squash games online but had played myself 35 years ago but later lost contact to it and focussed on job etc. Will appreciate to receive comment(s).
It's like a game of long ball. Not a single boast or drop shop in the first few rallies. Good length and cross courts but that's it. Wondering if the older wooden frames had some impact on the style of play?
I played Hunt in a couple of exhibitions a few years later. I was also in a few tournaments in the early 80’s where Janhagir played. I was at the World Open at the Columbus Centre in Toronto where Jehangir beat Hunt.
I just recently took up the game again after a 22 year hiatus. Mostly due to injuries and raising a family.
The big takeaway is the ball. I did play with a graphite racquet but today’s racquets are more durable and better balanced. Strategically, I used to base my game on Hunt’s. Today however, it’s all about attacking. Which I love.
I cannot tell you the number of times where I played today waiting for the ball off the back wall. Plus, I love going for nicks. I remember a game taking 45 minutes. Today a match probably averages 45 minutes or less. And then there’s the scoring. So many changes. It’s all good.
Have you got any other videos from this era? I'm particularly interested to try and see some of the Guernsey players if you've got any.
Mel Harbour Had some great sessions led by Reg with the Guernsey squad in the late 70’s early 80’s after picking my share of tomatoes in the early mornings!
What an epic battle! Unlike the wham-bam of modern Squash.
Great clip. Looks very bouncy. Is this before double-yellow spot ball became standard?
Well before. Years before. But remember theyre using wooden rackets, the ball is just super hot from the huge length rallies. The english ball was considered to be slower and spongier than the Australian, which I personally can confirm.
Definitely in the single yellow dot era. Also - different makes of ball were very different. The CSG ball (Consolidated Sporting Goods) was slower, bounced flatter and I found much more controllable. The Slazenger ball was faster, skidded more, got shinier quicker, and didn't want to stay in the nick when you hit it there. So, a lot of adjustment needed just to accommodate the ball. Different temperature and even latitude really acted on the ball very differently too. Playing in Sydney or Brisbane with the single-yellow dot was very different to playing in Hobart or New Zealand. I would imagine playing in Britain with a Slazenger ball would be very different to playing in Sydney with a CSG ball. Then of course, the American ball was totally different again. It was like playing with a super-ball by comparison. Americans back then, played squash on a racquetball court, which was longer, so they used a faster ball to compensate for the extra length in the court.
I think i prefer playing the old game, but prefer watching the new game.
Wooden rackets,higher tin ,English scoring ,different game! I have watched them all and Geoff hunt was the best.
Different ball too.
competition than Nicol, J.Power, Lincou etc. Hisham Ashour said that Jansher Khan was the best player in history. His brother and him represent the modern attacking game of today.
amazing legends
nice skills
I suspect that anyone who believes that Hunt or Jahangir couldn't compete with modern day players have never seen them. I refereed the BO final between these 2 in 1981: been watching international squash since 1972 and I would say that Hunt, Jahangir and Jansher are the 3 greatest players of all time.
Its so hard to compare but if you put peak Hunt against peak Mo Shorbagy, it would be hard to get any points for Hunt. But if any modern top player would try to play with those old wooden raquets and with that hyper bouncing ball, that would be hard, too. Skillwise nowadays top playesr are for sure on a totally different level.
Graham dixon. That is the best and definitely most sensible comment I ve read here.
I played with a wooden racquet from the 60's the other day (220 cm^2 head size) . Thought I would be mishitting it all the time but its really not that bad. Just heavier and doesnt have quite as much power as today's racquets. Of course the 50 year old strings broke after a few games and the restringing guys said it is too small for their machine.
Those PT shorts look ridiculous!
I used to put Barrington at 4 but I rate Ramy highly so I would put him above Barrington, as I think Barrington (although exceptionally fit) would not be quick enough for Ramy. The top 3 were quick fit and too accurate for Ramy so would give him nothing for his winners.
Sorry, I meant Jahangir Khan gave more of a fight to Jansher than the modern players did. They finished almost equal in there matchups. So I believe it's fair to say that older players could have competed today. They would have to change there game as Jansher Khan had to change his game and he was succesfull in doing so
Was it also when we had 1 min between games?
These discussions go on in every sport and I believe that the best athletes of one era can be as good as the best athletes of another. In squash there is a easy way to prove this: Jansher Khan. He played the slower game of wooden raquets and also the modern game with light racquets and the lower tin. Contemporary players that have played with him (as P.Nicol) say that he was the best of all time. I don't know who the best player of all time but J.Khan with his wooden racket gave more...
Look at the racquets! And the shorts!
How long was the match
I'm a little bit young to be able to pass comment. If you were around at the time, you perhaps may have known my dad, Reg, coaching in Guernsey?
Hi Mel -Ii will most certainly have met him but can't recall, as I knew John Le Lievre, Lisa Opie & Martine Le Moignan, and your dad probably coached all of them at some time or another .Guernsey was a bit of a centre of excellence at the time, probably in no small part to your Dad.
The courts are the same size now as they were then. Tin height is different though.
Love you Jahangir
Kahn lost to Ross Norman in Toulose in the World Champs in 1985. If my mind serves me correctly.
So much tighter than todays game
Jahangir Khan has to be the supreme athlete in recorded history, or any sort of non-documented recall. Comparisons can be made to other sportsmen like Babe Ruth, Rocky Marciano, Bill Shoemaker, Wayne Gretzky -- perhaps Ruth (who still holds pitching and hitting records to this day) comes closest.
Comparisons to other "racket sport' stars (i.e., Federer, or Rod Laver) only emphasize the gap -- as great as some of the tennis player's records are, none went on a winning streak of such duration or breadth (Jahangir played both soft and hard-ball versions of this game). In fact, most tennis greats are notable for the ephemeral nature of their reigns. Rod Laver may be excepted in this regard, given the massive gap between his two calendar year Grand Slams.
Nonetheless, Jahangir Khan's utter suzerainty of the squash world is non-pareil. This man sat astride the sport like a Colossus.
the fittest man on earth for his era. top 10 athlete of all time easy! EASY!
Yeah, he coached all of them from beginners!
Josh, you have obviously never played squash then. I played professionally in that era and coach top world players now. The older players could hold their own with the new guys. Hunt could probably beat them all if he was at his prime now.
Amazing footage. Jahanghir and Jansher would demolish any modern player. Some idiot commented the amount of cross court shots. These are wooden rackets. Many of these shots would be in the nick with modern tennis like rackets. Also it easier to dig out without boasting with modern rackets. The old scoring system reminds me of 15 round boxing fights. This ball is like a bouncy ball as it is weighted differently
AGREE! I asked today's pros to try out a game with these types of rackets and they just laughed and said no way lol
Falcon Lover jahanghir and jansher changed their games and were amazing when graphite rackets were used
I would love to see todays pros at least try the old raquets out in a practice video just to see if they could pull off the same tricks that they can do today. If people really want to compare the skill level then have them try the old raquets.
I wanna see the top 10 though lol
Film it lol :D
The longest final in history?
Great to see this again but pedestrian stuff by today's standards. However the ball was very bouncy and volatile wasn't it.
Do you know how the racquets, apart from other equipments, have changed as well? It is really wrong to compare skill level of a modern player with what they did in this game.
what about barrington?
He couldn't even beat Azam Khan and he was retired. Khans>everyone
imagine those strokes played on wooden rackets and ball control unbelievable ,those are days when squash as physical as boxing , thanks PSA for screwing up squash by changing score and bringing squash on table tennis level
"squash as physical as boxing" what planet are you currently living on ? It's not planet earth...
Johnny Sack Obviously you haven't boxed...
Great vid ^5. Lots of loose shots which modern players would gobble up. Did I see a drop shot or was I dreaming? :O)
Make allowances for the much bouncier single yellow dot ball. The modern players have a massive advantage playing shots with a real maggot-dead double yellow dot. The modern ball gives much better value going for shots and it changes the psychology of the game completely. The modern players trying to put away the single yellow dot ball would struggle. Both Hunt and Jahangir hit really great nicks even with this damned bouncy single yellow dot. Some of the 1970s and early 80s players, like Jahangir, Qamar Zaman, Jansher Khan, Ken Hiscoe, Cam Nancarrow ... they would smoke the double-yellow dot - floor-skidding nicks all night. Cam Nancarrow used to sometimes train on cold nights with a red dot, and still hit maggot-flat nicks. Not knocking the skill of the modern players - they are jaw-dropping ... But the change in the ball is massive. The double-yellow brought a lot of spectacular shot-making into the game and gave players real value for going for more nicks.
Courts are a different size, points are won every rally, and the tin is lower now. All facilitating shorter more fast paced games.
Watch a new game with any of the younger players that play riskier shots and it looks like a different sports entirely.
But the level of squash has increased... look at the attacking drop shots now, in early days of squash they played drop shots on rare occasions. The game has become more and more aggressive and picked up speed!
I guess you have very limited knowledge of the sport. The racket head size was way smaller, much heavier rackets and it was an effort to crouch low with those tight bottoms for drop shots. I doubt if any of the current era players would be closer to the players of that era.
Also the tin was higher during those times, so even a drop shot doesn't drop that low.
FASTER BALL TO.DON'T KNOW ABOUT HIGHER TIN.70S/80S YEAH.NOSTALGIA *3.
HASHIM?
Anyone else wish the frickin' commentators would give it a break just for a moment???
How would Jahangir at his peak go against today's best players?
BadStar Music he’d be destroyed, with the lower tin and lighter rackets players like ashour would beat him with their short game alone
Jahangir at his peak was every bit as good as the top players today and he could hit the ball harder
JK would just out wait everyone in todays game. What he would do his just keep the rally going until he would see his opening. Todays players just shoot without a care in the wrold while jk would be happy to keep playing the long waiting game. Pall Coll has started to play like that now. He only shoots now when he has the perfect opening. JK would do just fine with todays game. With his skills it would be so easy for him to shoot with todays rackets.
No, afraid not. many memories but no videos of guernsey players. Have a a short video of the 1989 world championship team event but not very interesting
WOW so OLD
No attempt, desire or ability to kill the ball so rallies went on for ever. Poor spectacle in comparison to modern squash.
MsCelicagt4 so true. When you play like this winning 555 matches in a row is easy if you’re the only one
I love it.
Much harder to kill the ball with a wooden racket and a tiny sweet spot. Today's equipment makes it a very different game.
KEEP IN MIND THE TOOLS[RAQUET],BODILY EXTENTIONALITIES [SHOES], SLOWER[LESS ELASTIC COLLISION] BALL WILL DETERMINE BEHAVIOR.
I ALSO FEEL THE ONLY SERVER SCORES POINT SYSTEM SHOULD STILL BE USED[MABY TO 5 INSTEAD 9] AS TENNIS FANS RIGHTFULLY CRITIQUE THE CURRENT SQUASH SCORING.
I don't actually believe he would lose to a 12 yr old girl. The point of is that the level of top level squash has increased enormously from these days. Players are faster, hit the hall harder , take it earlier and are playing much more offensively. As mighty as jahangir , his 555 matches unbeaten run although to this day the most incredible record in sports, was done with the 9 point international scoring. With today's 11 point scoring such an achievement would be highly improbable....
Raju Baju completly agree
Give modern players a wooden racket, higher tin, point a rally and those shoes. They would loose and require hip surgery!
In my opinion, squash was a bit boring to watch back then (when I was active myself). Very focussed on safety, little risk. That has changed today. The players play much more to win points directly.
I guess it's the same pattern you see across basically all sports, where defensive techniques evolve, and then rules often have to be adjusted to redress the balance of power. In the case of squash, clearly the fitness and speed of the players increased (certainly overall, even if the top couple would be similar). Also the changes to equipment to allow lighter, more powerful racquets changed the game dramatically. Once you include both of those factors, you get into the world they did where they changed the height of the tin, and used slower balls etc.
@@MelHarbour With tennis, it's the other way round. It used to be more interesting back then when, for example, a serve and volley player like Sampras met a groundstroke specialist like Agassi. Today, all the top players play a similar game, mainly with a lot of power from the baseline.
Sorry but if you can watch this and then watch a clip of ramy playing gaultier and claim that either of these players could compete at today's level you must be in a dream world. The pace of this game is about on par with today's u-13 girls
Raju Baju well i would say an u15 match where both players cant drip or volley
You have never played with a tiny wooden racket weighing 3 x todays graphite large surface rackets, have you?
See you JK played latercwith more modern technology. Nobody hit the ball harder. Perfect swing learnt from old racket.
They would adapt. Have you ever tried to play with a wooden racket?
@@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209 thank you. Very astute comment
the reason why this squash is so poor is the rackets they are using and like anything else in life the more its played the more its perfected over time . I'm sure in their day that was the best squash about..
I don t think the squash is poor. The graphite rackets transformed the game. These 2 guys were every bit as good then as the top players are today
@@alexpaton2818 yes correct rackets have certainly transfered the pace of the game but players now days are physically stronger and fitter than in the past you can tell that by their physical attributes. The balls was heavy back then and a lot slower, so rallies would go on for ages that's probably why the squash didn't look as appealing back then as it does now (maybe I chose my words wrong when I said the squash looks poor), I think the longest ever recorded rally was back in the late 70's-ish at about 9@1/2 minutes. Players can real off points in no time in today's squash as the game has evolved just as the player's physical attributes.
JK would just out wait everyone in todays game. What he would do his just keep the rally going until he would see his opening. Todays players just shoot without a care in the wrold while jk would be happy to keep playing the long waiting game. Pall Coll has started to play like that now. He only shoots now when he has the perfect opening. JK would do just fine with todays game. With his skills it would be so easy for him to shoot with todays rackets.
These players won't stand a chance to todays players
Rubbish
New generation v old generation? Ramy Ashour would beat these two at the same time...end of.
With a wooden racket? I doubt it very much
JK would just out wait Ramy. What he would do his just keep the rally going until he would see his opening. Todays players just shoot without a care in the world while jk would be happy to keep playing the long waiting game. Pall Coll has started to play like that now. He only shoots now when he has the perfect opening. JK would do just fine with todays game. With his skills it would be so easy for him to shoot with todays rackets.
This game is so boring
Well then you clearly don't know how hard it was to shoot with those rackets. This took way more skill!
this is the worst squash ive ever seen. a 5 year old could beat these guys today
great video