L.A. Takedown (1989) Coffee Shop Scene (Heat 1995)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- L.A. Takedown was written and directed by Michael Mann and its ensemble cast includes Scott Plank, Alex McArthur, Michael Rooker, Daniel Baldwin, and Xander Berkeley. Scott Plank starred as Vincent Hanna, a detective on the hunt for professional criminal Patrick McLaren, played by McArthur; the story was based on the real-life investigation of Chicago criminal Neil McCauley. The film is best known as the basis for the 1995 film Heat. The film was moderately well received in retrospective reviews, but remains overshadowed by its remake. - Wikipedia
This is what every single acting student looks like when they do this scene thinking they look like Pacino/De Niro instead.
Exactly
Its too forced dialogue
I actually preferred this version, the de niro version is a bit too friends / pals for me, even though they both knew each other and had respect this one is a bit more tense which makes sense given the life of mcauley.
compare budget and lighting and production time too, though... they shot this in like 2 takes prolly
one could blame their flat acting sure. (the scene in Heat felt so natural because Deniro and Pacino just preferred to shot without much rehearsal) but at the same time it also doesn't takes away the fact that this was made in a budget of like 5 million or something. they probably shot this in like 2 or 3 takes, so it's not like the actors had much to work with anyway
Anyone who think Pacino and/or De Niro aren’t incredible actors should watch this and Heat.
These guys seem like good tv actors, but it’s impossible to be compared directly to legends.
The pacing is different because the budget was small and everything is rushed. Scott Plank, who plays the Vincent Hanna part, was a friend of mine and worked with Michael Mann a lot.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie That’s cool. He seems like a good actor. I wasn’t criticizing him, just pointing out how incredible DeNiro and Pacino were in their prime bc just about anyone else would pale in comparison
Me: Can we get the movie “Heat”?
Mom: No, we already have that movie!
The movie...
😂😂😂 Mannnn you are funny as hell
Recycled stolen comment. No you’re not “funny as hell”
Yeah, pretty much the epitome
of that particular meme template.
Pre-Heated
Underrated.
We could feel that pun from around the corner.
Microwaved
Good one😂
Cold
Much respect to the the actors whom laid down the groundwork for a legendary scene between De Niro and Pacino. ✌🏽❤️💯
Lol are u kidding me??
My friend they didn't lay down ground work ..Pacino and de Niro are well known actors who have there own style and they act how they act not because of this 2 guys and how they did this scene that's why heat is remembered and not la takedown lol
@@admirosmanovic1368 It's a tv movie with a small budget, that's why it's not as good, son. I'll have you know Michael Mann loved Scott Plank and they worked together often. Look up his imdb and you'll see. He was a friend of mine... and what are you?
they have nothing to do with it. it's all about the script. these actors performances would have nothing to do with what Pacino or DiNero did. you don't know anything. it's more about respect to Michael Mann for working on this scene for decades
the cop acting is terrible.
Scott was a friend of mine and probably one of the first people who did a Christopher Walken impression; they were good friends, actually. Anyways, there's a line here he says that sounds like he went into his impression for a second and it made me remember how good it was. "...and if I'm there when you're coming out of a score... I blow you right outta ya socks." RIP Scott Plank
LOL I can hear it. Thanks for this.
I absolutely love explainging LA Takedown to fellow Heat fans, that arent aware of it
It's just not as good. I'd rather just rewatch Heat. It's a rewatchable, after all.
@@PeterCacioppi yeah L.A. Takedown was really the prototype for Heat
I just read about this movie and Heat being a remake of it… been watching Heat since I was 11 years old. Never knew this until tonight…. I’m still shocked.
We all know about LA takedown Einstein 🤦🏻♂️
This knowledge just blew my mind. Heat’s been one of my favorite’s for years, I had no idea
Man, if there was ever a clip that conclusively proves the necessity of great actors, it's this one. Here, in the hands of a couple of nobodies, this scene is boring and stilted. Give it to Pacino and De Niro, it becomes one of the most compelling dialogue exchanges ever shot.
I too listen to blank check
@@rosiemurray2611 Yeah I was just relistening to this episode and enigma basically stole their entire comment from the podcast.
Also having a bigger budget for better cinematography, sound design, blocking/staging, and a fine-tuned script lol
Well Acting Talent has a lot to do with it as well. No offense to these actors. Their doing there best. But its like QBs in the CFL compared to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.
@@jonnybirchyboy1560 The script is basically the same lol. Word for word its the same dialogue.
i love Heat, but man there’s something special about this, maybe it’s because i prefer the 80s style more, the atmosphere is just perfect mix with the music
It's closer to Michael Mann's Miami Vice vibe... Scott was on that, too.
To be honest, I have been sort of digging lower budget B movies these days, especially 80s and 90..there are surprising gems..I know Heat is highly regarded but this film defenitely deserves merit for aiming high with its constraints..
This is when you fry the fries for a little bit. Heat (1995) is when you fry them again for 5 mins to get the crunch and golden brown colour
I see a lot of comments denigrating Plank and McArthur as if they were the ones that are responsible the movie, somehow everyone misses that Mann also directed LA Takedown, any shortcomings that LA Takedown had can be laid at Mann's door, he chose the actors ( he really liked Plank's acting as he cast him here after a guest spot in Miami Vice, and refused to recast him when Brandon Tartikoff said he'd only green light the series without Plank).
It also bears mentioning that Plank and McArthur had little under two weeks to shoot the whole 90 minute pilot, so they were ripping through the material at a breathless pace. I understand that Pacino and De Niro are obviously the superior thespians, but even they had far more time to prep for their roles than their counterparts in LA Takedown.
On that note, it’s hard not to regard Tartikoff as a jerk for wanting to axe Plank from the series, but he likely had enough experience to gauge leading man material in a dramatic series and perhaps didn’t see it in Plank.
What makes it even harder to fault Tartikoff is that the ultimatum he set for Mann likely spurred him on to refocusing his efforts in feature film, there might’ve been no Last of the Mohicans or Heat if Mann had spent the early ‘90s show running this series.
Last of all, Tartikoff is the one we can thank for keeping Seinfeld on the air early in its run when its ratings where underwhelming and the network was poised to cancel the series. His influence ensured its survival, so at least his judgement in that regard was sound.
McLaren, you mean .. not McArthur
Scott was a friend of mine. Thank you for this comment, you clearly get it.
Wow I had no idea HEAT was a remake!!
Remake by the same director as this one, LA Takedown, Michael Mann
From a tv series
Its Not😂
“Put that down we have Heat at home”
*Heat at home*
It's just WARM
Scott Plank could act man RIP Buddy.
Yeah he is clearly leading this scene here. No Pacino but still fine work.
He definitely could have been in Heat and I think it would have been fine, R.I.P
He was a friend of mine. Did you know him?
@@dontpokethebear3893 When I watch Heat, I don't even see Al Pacino... I see Foghorn Leghorn.
So I read that the legendary coffee shop scene between De Niro/Pacino was improved by both. This was before I even knew that there was L.A. Takedown and Heat being a remake of that movie. Seeing this... hearing these lines... I now understand better what improvement means. It's not about the lines but of how to present them. That's the difference.
That's the discipline
Yeah maybe... maybe not...
The difference is one had a large budget and plenty of time to work. This was compressed for commercials and had a tiny budget. Scott worked with Michael Mann a few times, so he obviously thought he was a good actor.
Michael Mann said that comparing one film to the other is like comparing "freeze dried coffee" to "Jamaican Blue Mountain".
not at all the case here, it's one film and a scene recreation
Wow. Soooo wooden. Sooo trying too hard, compared to the masters. So completely lacking in anything real and believable. When you see the Heat scene, you realize Deniro & Pacino actually played up the vulnerability, where as these guys bet the farm on bravado. These guys chose the predictable route, whereas the masters chose the road less traveled.
The written dialogue is good but the actors are poorly cast for these roles.
This is the Government Cheese version on HEAT🤦🏾♂️😂😂 I know that is was made first but they don’t convince me like Robert Deniro and Al Pacino
I keep picturing William Petersen . Looking at plank . There similar .
Same words, different meaning. The subtext here seems to be an intervention. The cop is acting like a social worker, trying to steer this youngster off the bad path. In Heat, the subtext is kind of a dick-measuring contest, each man subtly insisting on his superior professionalism. In Heat, once they've established that they are both serious professionals, they are able to relax and bond. Here, the move to "bonding" feels unearned and rushed.
That's because Pacino was so coked up while filming it.
@@GhettoArabSageno he wasn't. Where you got that from you mook?
These actors are so 80s tv lol. They aren't bad, but they are very much of a type. THey over act too much for this scene
I think they did a great job... Y s it's not DeNiro or Pacino but a great job nonetheless
The MacCauley Guy is really bad. But what else did he do except a Madonna video? The Hanna guy is a bit better, but still flat and TV-like.
The Neil Breen version of Heat, produced by Tommy Wiseau.
Still written by Michael Mann.
God I'd be so down lol
@@Crowens But Vincent Hannah can't just be any cop....he has to be a Samurai Cop. Otherwise, why bother?
Except Neil would play both roles.
I guess I was lucky enough to watch this on tv as a kid before heat…actually I remembered it as I was watching Heat also as a teen…I was like wait a minute this is just like that movie 😂😂…
I really liked LA Takedown…I really wanted to be a cop so I liked it a lot.
what are you"monk"(i don't answer question)
who wrotes these lines these are epic
The lines wrote themselves. Chicago PD Major Crimes officer Chuck Adamson had an almost verbatim conversation with thief Neil McCauley back in the mid 60's.
The cop is so so but the guy doing De Niros part is pretty good. Nothing compared the GOATs tho
This acting is decent, but you can clearly see that these guys don't embody the look and feel of a seasoned detective or career criminal. Good scene none the less.
It’s so weird watching this… lol
When you order Heat from Wish.
Feels like a student film
It's Madonna's boyfriend from Papa don't preach!!
The new Rick Roll. Send this to someone you know saying it's the best scene from Heat and wait for the replies. You're welcome.
Wait … I always thought that the story was they had filmed the movie then realized that “wait there isn’t any scene where Pacino and deNiro face off” so they wrote in the diner scene. I guess that story is bullshit
Lol this is awful 😂
There was never any two better characters, that could play this scene than Deniro and Pacino..
But De Niro is a pedophile... you'll see when the rest of the Epstein documents come out.
He sounds like Pacino
I just watched the whole Fan Edit, the ending was very moving, its almost like a separate movie to Heat in its own right.
OK, it was made for TV so I think we should cut the actors a bit of slack.
RIP Scott Plank , the actor who played the good detective before Al Pacino.
One of the most difficult aspects of acting is the subtle ability to show that you're registering what the scene partner is giving. Active listening. Showing your thoughts, that you're thinking, is so hard to do. It's why guys like De Niro and Pacino get paid the big bucks. They make it look easy, to allow what your scene partner says to affect you, to show that you're thinking out loud, your eyes having thoughts. This poor guy playing McCauley is just not interesting to watch. Being bug-eyed with pretty much the same stare the whole scene gets boring. He doesn't even seem to understand that "I tell her I sell swimming pools" is meant to be played for irony.
LMAO, the tv version looks like a high school play...even with the same dialog...amazing
If there was never a movie called Heat... Then this will probably be a great movie... But the fact that we have grand treasures like Robert de Niro and Al Pacino acting in the other movie, makes this movie look like trash
I’ll just go ahead and say it: Kudos to Scott Plank (RIP) for actually trying in his scenes. Seems like they couldn’t do too many takes or rehearse it too much before they ran out of funds, so the film comes out as bad as it is, but Scott looks a lot more into it. There’s no comparison to Pacino or De Niro, but Scott did pretty good for what he was given. Alex MacArthur is abysmal though
MacArthur seems to be focused on "Vincent doesn't blink" above any and all other responses in this scene
There’s more wood in this acting than Edward Woodward.
I'm sorry I believe you have it backwards. Plank absolutely sucks in this scene.
@@trentf4891yeah I was thinking the same. McArthur’s kind of compelling to me in this scene, if a little flat.
I remember both these actors being on TV a lot in the 80’s. The Guy playing Neil Mcauly made these made for tv westerns called “ Desperado”. I remember there was several of them . I remember watching them with my mom. The other I remember but can’t quite place.
Yes, Alex MacArthur starred in the popular "Desperado" TV Westerns. Before that, back in the 80s, he first caught the eye of the public when he played the boyfriend in Madonna's music video "Papa Don't Preach," which was a big hit and the video got a lot of airplay.
Scott did a lot of stuff. You might remember him from Melrose Place or Miami Vice.
@@SY-ok2dq What's funny is Scott was friends with Sean Penn when he was with Madonna. She used to call Scott when Sean would tie her to chairs and leave. I heard the answering machine messages -- there were a lot!
I love heat but I really wanna watch this now..I would love to see how high they aimed with in a much lower budget than Heat..
I feel pretty confident that even if I'd never seen Heat, I'd still be able to tell that the acting here is pretty awful. You don't have to compare them to De Niro and Pacino to see that.
It's tv, dummy.
WTF? Heat is not the original? 😢
No
Before Michael Mann expanded the script and made the Hollywood version, he made this version for TV.
It’s the same creator so it doesn’t matter. It’s just the finished version. Mann decided to remake it when he finally had a place in Hollywood and was able to get big budget and important actors
Yeah, just watched Pacino and deniro do this scene…..they are better.
alex used to be a bartender at studio 54. its how he met madonna.
,, i tell her i sell swimming pools " XD
Both of them are Gorgeous 🌟✨
I rate the original coffee scene over the Pacino Deniro scene
You’re high
I LOVE TOM AND ERIC
This is a more realistic conversation. Disjointed, imperfect, monotone, pedestrian. The De Niro/Pacino rendition is very polished, slick and exciting and a very stylized version. Both have their merits. Both enjoyable in their own way.
you are lying. This one here is horrible.
Damn i wanna know how to direct movie and this is one of the stuff.
This is so weird
Wow heat stole the entire movie
Same director.
Mann re-made the story on a bigger budget.
SAG/AFTRA should send this scene to any producer on the planet who doesn't take casting seriously.
This is so bad in comparison, but I'm pretty sure I'd realize how bad this is even if I hadn't already seen Heat. The Hanna actor isn't so awful, but the Macauley actor is one of the worst I've seen. Did this guy even rehearse his lines? Even at his house or sitting down waiting for the lighting to be set up?
Well, they're a little flat but Heat was shot in something like, six months to a year. They shot and pre-produced this entire pilot in 19 days. They probably took about two or three takes of this scene and thought it was decent enough to fly. Not wonderful acting but I don't necessarily blame the actors either.
Is that the priest from The Sopranos?
No.
You wonder if Plank and McArthur have seen this and what their reaction is.
Plank is dead
Plank died in the middle of filming Holes.
@@Limacy No, he died when it was in post-production. He was a friend of mine. He was doing a perfect impression of Christopher Walken back in the 80s before anyone. He would just get into it and stay in character for hours... Scott was a funny dude.
I like the music at 2:56!!!.
"mom can we stay and watch heat?"
"No, we have heat at home"
Heat at home:
💀💀💀
This is SOOOOOOOO weird
Terrible.
Heat from Wish
WARM
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hail Heet.
No theyre not on the same level as pacino and de niro
But they werent bad, iv seen worse acting in modern blockbusters
Is this a movie ? Or series ?
Movie...was supposed to be a series, but was cancelled so they put a film together
The main difference between the two films is that micheal mann obviously was not really able to make it extremely gritty for network television. It was quite a bit more pg rated, because on tv you can't really swear or show violence. That being said the pilot movie is interesting because it led mann down the road to making heat. Michael mann certainly is not a stranger to network TV, he made the show vegas in the 70s which was quite a good show even though it only went 3 seasons.
The main difference is Mann added about an hour of pointless subplots.
Planck is pretty good, I think.
Plank is good, anyone saying otherwise is comparing him to Pacino who has a completely different interpretation. Also missing is Mann directed both scenes, he had a lot of time to review how it worked with LA Takedown and reinterpret it with two older actors who had the luxury of time. LA Takedown was shot in 19 days, Plank and McArthur probably had a half a day if that to work on this scene.
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@@Siloguy I think that is right. Directors get the lion's share of the credit when a movie is good, so logically, they should get the lion's share of the blame if there is a problem with the movie. I agree that Heat is a great movie, and Mann deserves credit. Even if we assume the acting here is bad - and I continue to think Planck is good - then the fault must lie with Mann.
wow. that's... bad
Everyone says that Pacino and DeNiro make these guys look like tv actors, but the reverse is true. This scene is believable and incredibly sad. Brilliant acting and anyone getting into film should watch this
Am I the only one who likes this more than the scene in Heat? There's an element of animosity and passive aggressiveness that isn't present in the remake that I really like. Pacino and DeNiro talk like old friends in the remake which feels kinda weird.
@@tenfold7493 ok? i never asked dude
@@tbaproductions123 actually the whole point of your comment was to ask who else agreed,your comment literally starts with that 😭so yeah, you did ask
@@tenfold7493 aight lol
Hell no this isn’t even close. Even though this came first, it seems like two kids remaking the scene from Heat.
To think that this individual went trough school, maybe trough high school or college, has maybe some type of responsibility at work or at home to provide other humans, only to write this shit makes me wanna take an adderrall.
hopeless
This scene looks like it is a copy of the heat, not vise versa 😂