You can't look at cheating allegations against Luda by just watching this hand (even though calling off a third of his stack with 86s out of position for so much money is definitely sus imo). Luda has a history of cheating allegations against him and was kicked off LATB because of the allegations. Ryan Feldman is Luda's ex room mate and very good friend, he was also part of production at LATB and is at HCL. There's very long and detailed Reddit threads about allegations against Luda and Feldman that you have to take into account when talking about this topic. Garret has even called them out over this.
I don't think he did, but I'm curious how GT can be so sure, and if he's sure, how exactly did he cheat? He mentions a watch beeping. Are there examples of this being used in the past? Saying someone cheated, and mentioning a mysterious watch beeping seems illogical and more of a sign that he's on tilt more than anything else. Getting your Aces cracked on the flop is a tough spot but I've never heard anyone accusing someone of cheating because of it. Seems like a low brow move from this guy, then he goes into himself being persecuted, sad. Time to take a break if this is how you act on live TV.
NOt sure why people are scared of male nudity. He offered to strip should of put that live on the stream. Problem solved. Win 60k gotta show your balls
Waaaa! Waaaa! You cracked my aces! You must be cheating! Honestly, this is NLHE. Who hasn't had their aces cracked by a hand that should have folded pre-flop? It's a brutal game. Sack up.
Sure buddy 😂😂😂😂 so how much money does luda losing? Cause he can't win playing like this. Unless there is cheating going on... 😮 I know.... Your tiny brain can't comprehend such things. You probably think robbies j4 wasnt cheating as well... 😂😂😂😂
@@knorre111 you are right that it's not a standard play but people who play for a living know the importance of deviating at times and this is a perfect example of why you do (when your deep stacked of course.) Plus a professional player and coach is saying it's not unreasonable and everyone at the table is confirming that he does stuff like this all the time. Absolutely no foul play, just a bad beat and there's been way worse bad beats where the loser didn't accuse the winner of cheating. This dude is just a sore loser and shouldn't be invited back because he can't handle table.
If GT had poket kings it would have still all gotten in and he would be happy. Is he accusing the dealer of rigging the deck? That's the only way I can see this as cheating.
He's on tilt and trying to get rid of his button... and lit $300 on fire instead of $19,000. Not saying he's right about cheating or that he's not a crybaby, just responding to that one specific call.
@@FriendsForFriends666it's only 30% of his stack if you take into account the dead money that is already out there ( he started the hand with 66k, and by the time of the 19k bet already had in 6k), so the the 13k call was for only a little over 20% of his remaining stack. Having watched this guy play before, not an stock call for him, TBH. To answer your question, though, he was down a LOT, but recently got unstuck to be up around 250k over the past year. So, yeah, he's had some pretty big swings, which isn't surprising.
I don't think he cheated, but it's an awful play, which does make it weirder coming from a pro than at a 1/2 game. I think it's sufficiently out of line that I can at least understand why GT is suspicious. That said, JL always gives great analysis, but the idea that 86s is okay "because they are deep" makes no sense here. It's not about the number of BB they started with. GT made it 19k preflop and Luda has 60k left. He's going to the flop *out of position* with just over 1 SPR. How is even 67s or 87s supposed to realize here?
JT did say some for the best hands are suited C's when you are deepstacked. But literally the very next sentence JT countered this with " I think LudaChris was probably a bit too ludacris pre-flop, with calling a somewhat big re-raise with the suited gapper from OOP" The fact that you chose to purposely ignore this makes no sense either.
@@boholad1983 He also massively downplayed how unbelievably bad this play is.. "this may seem insane, don't get me wrong it's loose, but it could be worse". It is insane and an utter garbage decision.
Who said he is capable of always knowing and making the best EV play? Man just likes to gamble. How is that so difficult to grasp? I play poker for a living and I still like to gamble with some negative EV calls sometimes
@@88mphDrBrown Eh? JL said the PF play was ludacris. And it was. But it was not in the least bit suspicious. It's very standard for this guy Chris's type of poker. He makes wild plays like this on livestreams all the time, prob to ensure he gets invited back again and again. We've all had Ace's cracked by opponents making very bad calls, multiple times.
The thing that seemed strangest to me was raising to 6000$ with 8 6 suited. The psychology of the situation when you're already invested 6000, and Luda did not know he was going up against aces, I can see the call in that spot. As for whether Luda was cheating, I haven't watched a lot of his play, but from what little I know about him, he likes to play very crazy, or "ludicrously", so no, I don't think he was cheating. I just think he plays contrary to what modern poker theory says he should do
Just today at 1/2 at Foxwoods I had AA in LP. UTG, r10, +2, +3 calls, I make it $50. $200 effective. UTG calls, everyone else folds. Flop comes QsJd6h, UTG checks, I bet $35 UTG shoves, I call. UTG HAS J6 of clubs… these things happen, it’s NOT cheating.
@@afish12 it was awesome, only downsides were 1. Dude ended up giving my money back to someone else other than me and 2. He went to play 2/5 after and I had to leave :(😢😢😢
I wish someone would check me. I'm lonely af. But honestly. GT needs to re-raise more. 3x-ing to 19k is giving Luda good odds. 6k to 19k isn't a big raise at this place. Sure, in the long run, you don't run into this specific situation, but I'd raise there to at least 24k. Yeah, bad beat but don't cry about it. Just watch people lose at super high roller final tables with like house vs house or flush vs house or etc. It happens. P.S.: I'm a 1/3 NL poker pro on Sundays so I know everything about poker. P.S.S: Some say GT is still talking about this hand to this day and checking everyone's buttholes for devices.
He called him a cheater and accused the entire game of having zero integrity but kept playing for an additional ten minutes (on this video) and flicking in his blinds. He specifically said he would refuse to listen to evidence that the guy isn’t a cheater, based on his feeling. He wanted to whine and was out of line.
And let's say you're not a regular viewer. And before sitting down, you're forewarned about the game. And you still sit down? That's stupid beyond belief. And only makes him look more pathetic.
There's literally no way to cheat unless the dealer is in on it, which isn't the case. Things don't add up because probability is involved. The deck is shuffled every hand. You are not a poker player, if you are I can assure you that you're not good
@nunyabidness2143 the shuffling machines can be hacked and manipulated to have the outcome of your choice, the cheating can take place with the dealer completely unaware of what is taking place.
Sorry if this is a really stupid question, but when Jonathan Little says at 2.22 that some of the best hands to bluff with are going to be suited connectors, and that Luda's hand isn't as good as it's a suited gapper, why is that the case? I understand that 87 will beat 86, but if we're talking in the context of bluffing, both are suited and both require 3 cards to make a straight. Isn't it essentially the same thing? Newbie to poker here and trying to learn😅 I appreciate anyone's response in advance!
afaik nowadays A2s - A5s and even some otherwise unplayable Kxs (say K9s) are preferred to 87s for this squeeze. The ace blocker drastically reduces the chances you're against AA or AK. 87s isn't awful to semibluff but lacks the blocking. you should get in enough 3 bet bluffs in with those blocker hands. adding in even more is bluffing way too much. I'm slightly surprised Jonathan is advocating the old school approach
That said if you're a beginner in a live 1-3 game, first learn the basics then start doing this with A5s just to get a feel for light 3 betting and see what happens. If no one ever folds to your 3 bet then you don't need a 3 bet semibluff range for it. If you take down pots, try adding a few more light 3 bets to make them pay for folding to your value 3 bets.
@@stringfellowlocke2214 not to mention he was calling 13 K to win 27K. Which means in order to break even he has to be right one out of three times, or 33%. Then you have implied odds where the amount of money you make can be that much greater if you manage to crack a hand like aces or kings.
@@UnhingedanduninformedWhat kind of IO are you expecting putting in 1/3 of your stack? More often the board comes Q83 or two hearts or 97x and you're priced in to call off your stack as an underdog. IO makes sense to put in maybe 5% of your stack, and even then you need a 4bettor who is blind to possible flushes and straights.
@@PhilipJReed-db3zcIt was 13K from a stack of 60K. It wasn't 1/3. It was closer to 1/5. I'm not defending the play, but let's at least try and be accurate.
GT should be mad at the fact that these guys know that he plays so bad that they will call anything because they know they will outplay them after the flop
No way he cheated. Guy just mad his pocket AA gets cracked LMFAO.... 8/6 suited is a prefect hand to call with in a cash game to bust hands like AA KK QQ etc... Dude just cant lay down pocket AA's . Look i know pocket AA is the best hand in poker . But they get cracked all the time . Not that damn hard to fold .
I run so bad with Aces and at this point am jus used to losing with Aces, this is jus a suck out. Luda Chris plays like that , crazy preflop and hyper aggressive post.
19:31 Aces get cracked, why should one pair be good when you have 8 8 on the board. P.S. if you raise over two limpers you have JJ plus, A Q suited plus basically a top 7 percent of hands. The implied odds of seeing a flop where if you hit it misses the raisers range. Completely acceptable fold the flop if it hits his range. The complainer does not think in ranges.
If they were going to somehow rig the deck to cooler him, why wouldn't they just give him KK vs AA. A major part of his argument is that it's suspicious that Chris called with 86s, but surely it wouldn't have arisen suspicion if he just had aces. Emotional, silly accusation imo
This is standard for the guy. He did the same thing a year ago go where he called a large 4 bet with Q-10 off and ended up cracking aces.. People hold aces to long, I’ve done the same thing.
If a dude in his 50’s wants smoke, he can get smoke. Insulting my play is one thing. Insulting my integrity is different. Hopefully he calmed down and apologized.
I just can't see this hand being cheated. The crazy part isn't post flop its pre. Are we really saying Luda knew the deck? is the dealer that good at mechanics? seems a pretty remote chance to me.
The cheating allegations are just plain stupid. If someone was feeding him information, it would've been to FOLD preflop; unless the deck was somehow stacked to come out in Luda's favor. Once the flop comes, the hand plays itself. I don't see anything wrong from that point on. Now if the other player had KK or JJ, and Luda somehow had found a fold with his trips, then you might be able to justify an allegation. Another issue is the fact that he STAYS! If you think a game isn't on the level, why would you stay in it??? I once caught a married couple colluding in a game. Caught them red-handed. The guy then proceeded to threaten me. I calmly asked for the floor manager. The floor refused to do anything. So I asked to be moved into a different game. They told me they could only put me at the bottom of the list for a game; as that was the only game at that limit. So I told the floor manager off, collected my chips and left and have never been back to that room.
THIS HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF US!! How many of us have played out of position some garbage and get a dream flop? This shit happens. It’s ridiculous but it does happen. Calling someone a cheat is almost calling someone a pedophile. This is a huge statement and GT should apologize for being a bitxh. New found respect for Luda.
There's absolutely no cheating going on first of all. Second of all GT is really going to call this man a cheater to his face for over an hour and then not take him up on the offer to be searched?? That's how you know even he doesn't believe it....
The context here is missing. When Ryan Feldman was with Live at the Bike, there was HEAVY speculation of cheating with him and Chris. That’s what all the kerfuffle with Ryan and Garrett was about recently. Sure seems that many people think ‘Luda’ and Ryan cheated back in the day. Simple google searches will give you that context. In a vacuum, seems GT is crazy for suggesting cheating. But GT is aware of the allegations of cheating with Chris in Feldman run games. That’s why he’s jumping to that conclusion. He’s not just randomly doing this because his aces got cracked. Still, almost no chance of cheating here. None of the shadiness on HCL recently suggests a scam based on knowing the flop. Not how the alleged cheating purportedly works. Just point out GT isn’t randomly tilting here. But that said, if you are GT, Garrett, whoever, and you know the history with Feldman and Chris, etc, why play on their stream. I can’t imagine knowing cheating allegations with certain players and producers, and then playing with them.
The more suspicious thing is Nick walking off stream the next time Luda played and he made a very loose call when usually a nit. Now I am not saying Luda cheated the last time he was on the show. I am saying I suspect many of these players just share the winnings later off stream and it is a show for certain players. Which of this is the case sorta makes the game less to me. I don’t have any evidence this happens later.
I have no idea who Luda Chris is and i'm just a micro stakes regular. If player calls big 4bet with a 86s out of position, he is not just a fish, he is a fat golden goose everyone would be happy to play with. He plays every second hand and bluffs every third one. But if Luda Chris is a competent player, i could believe that something was wrong with a dealer.
There 2 questions though; did he cheat? (No), is it ok to slander someone on a live stream for 10 minutes+? If someone called me a cheat to thousands of people, constantly, I’d be calling the manager and possibly a lawyer
Once i also thought poker was set up against me after a bad run that hasnt happened in 10 years of game, but what GT is doing is really acusing not Luda Chris but Hustler's and its potential connections with Luda to set up hands, i think he's just running very bad and having a very very unlucky situations that led to that assumptions
He can be upset and go full tilt. But once you accuse someone of cheating, using evidence of this hand and Airball’s 44, you better bring receipts or be prepared to have your reputation destroyed.
I’d say strangest thing is Luda saying “wow didn’t think you had aces”. What did he think then? AK? Quite thin river bet with an 8 if you don’t think they have AA. Overall just looked like fairly amateur hand more than cheating.
GT is the same type of dude to fold his cards pre flop and be mad when they hit. Yelling, why did you make me fold? How is he playing on a poker stream and doesn't understand the concept of gambling?
This is more of a cheat and morexauspect than Robbie. No one calls with 8-6 in that spot without knowing what the flop will be. This HCL is too questionable. Very corrupt
I think it’s absolutely ludicrous that you would even ask this question we all know Ludacris did not cheat. We all know Ludacris plays several hands like this and he just happened to flop it. That’s a stupid question because we all know this is how poker goes.
When I first started playing poker, I cold called a 4 bet with K9 suited and flopped trip nines. Unlike luda, my first run up didn’t take me to the high stakes. But they didn’t wanna search my butthole for a vibrating butt plug, I just got called bad. 😢
Idk … do you slow down after that flop? I think he did right with the c bet then slowed down. 50% pot bet all in.. you gotta call that cuz that a small part of his stack anyway
he thinks he was cheated but still stuck around? 😅 “I’m actually not going to play tomorrow” Why are you still playing _right now?_ Pretty sure this guy was just pissed he lost his kid’s college money and was angling for a rebate from the hosts
Just to put this out there a player was caught with an "electric" signal ball in their private. Only reason it was caught was because it came out roughly later in hotel room.
I played a live tournament last night, blinds were 100/200. I had AA. 1st to act raises to 1,500 (I immediately know they have AK, KK, or QQ based on the player). I raise to 5,000. Another player behind calls. 1st to act goes all in, I go all in, and the last guy who called the 5K looks me dead in the eyes and calls the all in. I was right on 1st to act, he had QQ. The other opponent called with Q8 suited!!!! Dumbest call ever, but for some reason I knew the dumb caller was going to win. I wasn't afraid of a Q coming out since 3 were accounted for, and of course the turn/river were both 8s. Thankfully Q8 was small stacked - which is probably why he shipped it - but still, this type of play does happen. Some people just like to gamble
That being said, I can't stand when players take a loss so disgracefully as GT. Suckouts are part of the game, its 10000x more enjoyable when you just ride out the waves and don't act like a douche
If you believe he might be cheating, why play in the first place? He said he had been warned. That implies he has a bias going into the game. A hand like this would only confirm that bias. You would need much more concrete evidence to make this sort of accusation especially when you admit you had been warned and then play anyway. That’s on you I think
In short, no, I don't believe Luda Chris cheated. His thought process, while potentially flawed because has was OOP, led him to believe that he had the right implied odds to call (he needed ~3:1 and was getting ~2:1, so he needs to make at least ~$13k to break even)
I've been playing poker for years Never on a live stream. I can tell you for a FACT, this was a totally normal hand of poker. Turns out aces get cracked about 20% of the time. When they do, it usually looks like this. Don't invite that clown back
HCL glossed over Sia cheating the game so it’s not unreasonable for him to be tilted in this game. She’s just not been invited back for no reason? Come on
I don't know GT but if Luda thought his implied odds was all he had left it was 100% a call. He had 2/1 on a call, would get 1.6/1 vs AK so that woulda been +EV without implied odds. Against AA he had to win 3.5/1 cuz of 22% minus 2/1 pot odds = 1.5/1 implied odds so 1.5x 13.000 = 19500 implied money he'd think he'd have to win atleast! SO if GT is a nit who is gonna be ready to put atleast 20k in, it's 100% a call. Remember, this is not a tournament, it's a cash game.
No way he cheated. Just because he calls $19k pre, means nothing. Once the flop comes he ain’t going anywhere. If he called him down with 8 high that’s different
For cheating, it would have to be a dishonest deal - which seems highly unlikely. You'd need stats over dozens of hands for any confidence over an accusation like that. Ludo is aggressive, and his line doesn't seem so outlandish to me. He had 22% of well concealed equity against a deep stack!
It is more suspicious that the very next show Hustler featured him on he played many hands liberally and also hit. It was almost as if Hustler was attempting to make a point Luda plays like this all the time and hits like this all the time. My opinion.
Took a swing then got priced in with implied, absolutely ZERO chance of cheating and the guy should just never play poker again if his aces being cracked makes him think everyone's cheating.
Implied odds? He had an SPR of 1, he put 400 bbs in with 8/6 , he has been accused by multiple players of cheating, he was living with the stream owner for years and the shuffling machines can be hacked and manipulated, I actually don't think he cheated bit to just shrug it off as he got caught up is ridiculous.
this is just another example of why ryan should NOT know what the cards are live...there is so many ways they could relay info to his friends without anyone knowing at the table...all they have to do is tell the camera man to zoom in or use the mic lights to relay info...these are some of the biggest cash games in the world and someone has access to real time info...thats nutz i cant believe people stlll play on that show
AA is a fold here after turn check. Luda could have 77/JJ//A8s. He bet before flop bc of the dead money in there though. Don’t feel like a cheating move. He would just call to get more ppl in. For AAs. He’s calling 60k regardless of what Luda do
Crying cheater in these poker stream games is out of control. I see hands like this played all the time. This is not unusual in any poker game. Crying after your aces get cracked like this seems crazy to me. Aces are still just one pair.
I play in a cash game where people gamble and call off their stacks with suited rags all the time preflop. It's called gambling, bingo or just crazy play. It's not poker but u want those calls all day. Eventually they get lucky some of the time.
The problem with cheating allegations here is that he played this terribly against AA and hole cards are really all the additional knowledge that's gainable unless you want to think they're using dealer mechanics and letting certain people know when their advantaged hands are coming. Luda didn't play this particularly well against AA. He made a good play to essentially squeeze against a 1k open and too many callers. The standup game made the open look polarized between huge pairs and trash and so a good chunk of time the 6k takes it down. On the other hand, if it was certainly AA he was up against, he should just join the calling parade and hope to flop well and get paid. So this is a really bad play against AA, IMO. I think he then threw good money after bad with the call but with the implied odds of his range being depolarized by the call to just AA&KK maybe not. TBH the K88 board probably looked to Luda like HE might be getting set up, but he was pretty committed and did the right thing at that point to get all the money in.
didnt think he had aces LOL the dude bet 19k . the only 2 hands i put him on is AA and KK and maybe QQ i sure he knew he had aces cause gt was literally playing his hand face up with the 19k bet. that is typical luda 86 kind of hand so i dont think luda was cheating. luda is not an idiot . these guys know what they are doing. takes guts to call 19k with 86 suited . i have to admit
Least he didn’t get set over set, then he really would have lost it. It happens, he was in a good spot as a huge favorite and got unlucky, lots of days Luda would have covered him and really ruined his day. Unless he thinks it’s some huge elaborate scheme with 30 or so people involved including the majority of people sitting in the game, but then that would mean that garret was in on it all along and every other big poker game/stream that he’s played on and had the same results, which would basically mean that poker in general is one big scam that everyone is in on to sucker whales in. He called 13k with a hand that is easy to play against an obvious range of an amateur. His direct odds are bad obviously, I’m not a huge math guy but I’m curious if you factor in the implied odds that if you hit your hand against likely AA,KK,AK that your gunna double up. If some reads this and wants to lay out the math that’d be sweet.
people are commenting that hes mad cause his aces were cracked... listen when someone raises then someone re raises then someone re raises and you are that deep... luda is not calling that much with half his stack pre flop... def seems rigged. 2/5ths of his chips went in preflop...with 8 6 ... u play that way, u go broke super fast.. but somehow he flops trips...
The only way for this to be cheating is if the deck was rigged. What’s clearly happening here is just a bruised ego trying to find an explanation after getting aces cracked
I’ve seen a hand where Luda Chris called down his entire stack of 60+k with fucking Queen high by the river against a very strong range/hand. So this isn’t out of character for him at all to call a third of his stack with 8 high pre. He is called Ludicrous for a reason 😂 If you can’t take a bad beat, probably shouldn’t play poker. Thing is, GT would’ve been perfectly happy and probably needled Luda for the call had his aces held up. Completely out of line from GT.. demeanour of players like that is obvious when they have a premium pair pre, the hands on the mouth aren’t fooling anyone when the player is incapable of constructing a 4-bet range that doesn’t contain premiums. Therefore, Luda is more than justified to make the call with a suited one gapper because you will get paid.
It's the 4bet call that's just...strange. Unless he thinks GT is heavily weighted toward Broadway cards and would 3bet-call to trap with big pairs, there's absolutely no way to justifiably call 86s profitably OOP at that stack depth, it's *extremely* -EV. Any Reg playing at that level knows that, but unfortunately, we'll never know if Luda planned to bluff on boards without an A/K/Q.
There are so many ways to cheat in poker, it's hard to say. But if I was cheating or part of a group of scammers, I'd pick a better spot to pull my stuff, just like Robbi with the J-4o, which was worse.
The commentary when he plays reminds me so much of GodKing Postle, not during this hand but just watching the stream, they talk about him like he's on another level.
But they're not very deepstacked at all anymore. Isn't he playing with only 47k behind when the pot will already be 40k? Horrific call. No opinion on cheating, though, these people are terrible at poker.
That is basically 380 BBs. What a nonsense play. I can understand why GT is upset bc he comes from a technical background and any person capable of counting would not be able to justify that call based on the risk.... unless you knew you were gonna hit. not saying he cheated. just saying it is ridiculous. also the info that Luda and Ryan were roommates and that he was banned from the bike streams does make it look bad
The funniest part of all this is he keeps explaining himself to the guy beside him...like he can convince the guy to be on his side. That guy, just like everyone else thinks he's delusional.
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Do YOU think Luda Chris cheated or not? 🤯
You can't look at cheating allegations against Luda by just watching this hand (even though calling off a third of his stack with 86s out of position for so much money is definitely sus imo). Luda has a history of cheating allegations against him and was kicked off LATB because of the allegations. Ryan Feldman is Luda's ex room mate and very good friend, he was also part of production at LATB and is at HCL. There's very long and detailed Reddit threads about allegations against Luda and Feldman that you have to take into account when talking about this topic.
Garret has even called them out over this.
I don't think he did, but I'm curious how GT can be so sure, and if he's sure, how exactly did he cheat? He mentions a watch beeping. Are there examples of this being used in the past? Saying someone cheated, and mentioning a mysterious watch beeping seems illogical and more of a sign that he's on tilt more than anything else. Getting your Aces cracked on the flop is a tough spot but I've never heard anyone accusing someone of cheating because of it. Seems like a low brow move from this guy, then he goes into himself being persecuted, sad. Time to take a break if this is how you act on live TV.
Nope
NOt sure why people are scared of male nudity. He offered to strip should of put that live on the stream. Problem solved. Win 60k gotta show your balls
If HE thinks he's being cheated and doesn't stop playing immediately then he's a moron.
Waaaa! Waaaa! You cracked my aces! You must be cheating! Honestly, this is NLHE. Who hasn't had their aces cracked by a hand that should have folded pre-flop? It's a brutal game. Sack up.
Sure buddy 😂😂😂😂 so how much money does luda losing? Cause he can't win playing like this. Unless there is cheating going on... 😮 I know.... Your tiny brain can't comprehend such things. You probably think robbies j4 wasnt cheating as well... 😂😂😂😂
Normally you get cracked because you don’t raise big enough. Putting in 19k pre with 86s is just not normal play.
Yea but if it happens 3 weeks in a row at an owner dealt home game it’s more likely to be cheating
@@knorre111What is normal play??? You mean the way YOU choose to play. You get 2 cards each hand and can play them. Seems normal to me.
@@knorre111 you are right that it's not a standard play but people who play for a living know the importance of deviating at times and this is a perfect example of why you do (when your deep stacked of course.) Plus a professional player and coach is saying it's not unreasonable and everyone at the table is confirming that he does stuff like this all the time. Absolutely no foul play, just a bad beat and there's been way worse bad beats where the loser didn't accuse the winner of cheating. This dude is just a sore loser and shouldn't be invited back because he can't handle table.
Bad beats are hard to take, but accusing him of cheating is out of line.
The way he insulted his integrity, I gotta give a lot of props to Luda Chris here for taking it in stride.
Agreed. He’s had his moments on tilt on the show before too. He handled it respectfully from the other side.
I'd just be smiling while I stacked your old, my new, chips in front of you
if you know the scene, you'll know that luda is definitely involved in some underhanded shit at big games
@@XxMalcolm He'll shoot angles but outright cheat? I doubt it.
If GT had poket kings it would have still all gotten in and he would be happy. Is he accusing the dealer of rigging the deck? That's the only way I can see this as cheating.
But he’s saying if they are cheating, he’s never gonna have pocket kings there
I think he's suggesting he knows the outcome beforehand. So if GT had KK then Luda wouldn't have gotten beeped or whatever.
No way he cheated, GT just got steamed because his aces cracked
Yes...
It is annoying to have your AA cracked by random garbage that shouldn't call a 4 bet.
@@jeffshackleford3152 that 86s call is a stupid play. No matter what, he put in 20% of his stack pre. he’s an insane luckbox at least
"This is not a normal play"
- He says after calling an open with 93 suited lmao
Pretty sure he meant say "That's not even a poker hand!" How are people not demanding he shake Luda down in the hallway to get his money back?
He's on tilt and trying to get rid of his button... and lit $300 on fire instead of $19,000. Not saying he's right about cheating or that he's not a crybaby, just responding to that one specific call.
Calling 86s oop for insane amount pre is for sure a winning play lol
@@jaybingham3711 Because it's an entirely different situation clown.
watch the person massaging luda. He is cheating; she's sending him signals.
Guy obviously doesn’t know his opponent. Luda is a maniac. And guy was the fish.
So how much money luda is losing? Cause playing like this you can't win. Calling 1/3 of his stack 😂😂😂😂
@@FriendsForFriends666it's only 30% of his stack if you take into account the dead money that is already out there ( he started the hand with 66k, and by the time of the 19k bet already had in 6k), so the the 13k call was for only a little over 20% of his remaining stack. Having watched this guy play before, not an stock call for him, TBH. To answer your question, though, he was down a LOT, but recently got unstuck to be up around 250k over the past year. So, yeah, he's had some pretty big swings, which isn't surprising.
@@stringfellowlocke2214 - What does so the the mean?
I was the appointed, anointed loser.
I was the target.
I had aces, and before I had kings, and lost (therefore I MUST HAVE BEEN CHEATED)
Absolutely not. That was Luda just being Luda. Also with the stand up game being on.
I don't think he cheated, but it's an awful play, which does make it weirder coming from a pro than at a 1/2 game. I think it's sufficiently out of line that I can at least understand why GT is suspicious.
That said, JL always gives great analysis, but the idea that 86s is okay "because they are deep" makes no sense here. It's not about the number of BB they started with. GT made it 19k preflop and Luda has 60k left. He's going to the flop *out of position* with just over 1 SPR. How is even 67s or 87s supposed to realize here?
JT did say some for the best hands are suited C's when you are deepstacked. But literally the very next sentence JT countered this with " I think LudaChris was probably a bit too ludacris pre-flop, with calling a somewhat big re-raise with the suited gapper from OOP"
The fact that you chose to purposely ignore this makes no sense either.
Yes, but it's not even close. It's not like a 55-45 thing. @@boholad1983
@@boholad1983 He also massively downplayed how unbelievably bad this play is.. "this may seem insane, don't get me wrong it's loose, but it could be worse". It is insane and an utter garbage decision.
Who said he is capable of always knowing and making the best EV play? Man just likes to gamble. How is that so difficult to grasp? I play poker for a living and I still like to gamble with some negative EV calls sometimes
@@88mphDrBrown Eh? JL said the PF play was ludacris. And it was.
But it was not in the least bit suspicious.
It's very standard for this guy Chris's type of poker. He makes wild plays like this on livestreams all the time, prob to ensure he gets invited back again and again.
We've all had Ace's cracked by opponents making very bad calls, multiple times.
The thing that seemed strangest to me was raising to 6000$ with 8 6 suited. The psychology of the situation when you're already invested 6000, and Luda did not know he was going up against aces, I can see the call in that spot.
As for whether Luda was cheating, I haven't watched a lot of his play, but from what little I know about him, he likes to play very crazy, or "ludicrously", so no, I don't think he was cheating. I just think he plays contrary to what modern poker theory says he should do
I think Luda knew his range well even if he has AA he’s gambling but the hands gunna be super easy to play if he hits
Yes, everyone keeps saying he called 19... but he called 13 into more than 26...
Luda has a very volatile way of playing sometimes, nothing he did was out of the ordinary
Just today at 1/2 at Foxwoods I had AA in LP.
UTG, r10, +2, +3 calls, I make it $50. $200 effective. UTG calls, everyone else folds. Flop comes QsJd6h, UTG checks, I bet $35 UTG shoves, I call. UTG HAS J6 of clubs… these things happen, it’s NOT cheating.
That sounds like a very good game 😂
@@afish12 it was awesome, only downsides were 1. Dude ended up giving my money back to someone else other than me and 2. He went to play 2/5 after and I had to leave :(😢😢😢
Thank you for letting us all know these things happen. Its our first day of playing 1-2. We really needed that hand history.
@@garrydye2394 :( I don’t have a lot of friends. Sorry.
@@garrydye2394 Can you stop being a dick for like two seconds?
I love how everyone was saying this is normal on a Tuesday, but all of them seem super surprised about the fact he called with 68.
Don't think Luda cheats, but it did leave a bad impression when it came out Luda and Ryan Feldman are roommates or even more.
yeap that was very sus that he even hid it from LATB
I wish someone would check me.
I'm lonely af.
But honestly. GT needs to re-raise more. 3x-ing to 19k is giving Luda good odds. 6k to 19k isn't a big raise at this place.
Sure, in the long run, you don't run into this specific situation, but I'd raise there to at least 24k.
Yeah, bad beat but don't cry about it. Just watch people lose at super high roller final tables with like house vs house or flush vs house or etc.
It happens.
P.S.: I'm a 1/3 NL poker pro on Sundays so I know everything about poker.
P.S.S: Some say GT is still talking about this hand to this day and checking everyone's buttholes for devices.
He called him a cheater and accused the entire game of having zero integrity but kept playing for an additional ten minutes (on this video) and flicking in his blinds. He specifically said he would refuse to listen to evidence that the guy isn’t a cheater, based on his feeling. He wanted to whine and was out of line.
he “put him on kings” so he _had_ to call the king high board…
Perhaps he meant a pair of Kings with the board - meaning two pair, Kings and Eights.. and not pocket Kings.
Dude is a crybaby. Period.
There's no way to say, but the 4 bet call watched lots of this stream. I always see things dont add up i can say i would never play there
And let's say you're not a regular viewer. And before sitting down, you're forewarned about the game. And you still sit down? That's stupid beyond belief. And only makes him look more pathetic.
There's literally no way to cheat unless the dealer is in on it, which isn't the case. Things don't add up because probability is involved. The deck is shuffled every hand. You are not a poker player, if you are I can assure you that you're not good
@nunyabidness2143 the shuffling machines can be hacked and manipulated to have the outcome of your choice, the cheating can take place with the dealer completely unaware of what is taking place.
@crackmiler9127 Yes, I researched that and found some for sale it's crazy and some many people are in denial of the cheating
@@crackmiler9127 they don't use shufflle machines in poker genius
I am just a chat pro. But I watch these streams all the time I did not blink an eye when Luda played those napkins and cracked AA.
They quickly changed dealers.....smart!
Sorry if this is a really stupid question, but when Jonathan Little says at 2.22 that some of the best hands to bluff with are going to be suited connectors, and that Luda's hand isn't as good as it's a suited gapper, why is that the case?
I understand that 87 will beat 86, but if we're talking in the context of bluffing, both are suited and both require 3 cards to make a straight. Isn't it essentially the same thing?
Newbie to poker here and trying to learn😅 I appreciate anyone's response in advance!
7/8 can make one more straight than 6/8.
(456, 569, 69T, 9TJ) vs
(457, 579, 79T)
Further, the extra straight will usually be the nut straight.
afaik nowadays A2s - A5s and even some otherwise unplayable Kxs (say K9s) are preferred to 87s for this squeeze. The ace blocker drastically reduces the chances you're against AA or AK.
87s isn't awful to semibluff but lacks the blocking. you should get in enough 3 bet bluffs in with those blocker hands. adding in even more is bluffing way too much.
I'm slightly surprised Jonathan is advocating the old school approach
That said if you're a beginner in a live 1-3 game, first learn the basics then start doing this with A5s just to get a feel for light 3 betting and see what happens. If no one ever folds to your 3 bet then you don't need a 3 bet semibluff range for it. If you take down pots, try adding a few more light 3 bets to make them pay for folding to your value 3 bets.
Im surprise he havent come out to apologize. Saying someone is cheating on stream is a very serious accusation.
He learnt how to be a sore loser from the goat man, G
I don't trust a card shuffle machine it could stack the cards if there wasn't a computer in the shuffling machine
calling the 19k is ridonculous
That is definitely a major whale off right.
Bluff 3 bet fold to 4 bet hand right there, especially OOP.
Like Mr. Little said, " At least it's suited"
It was 13k to call at that point, not 19k.
@@stringfellowlocke2214 not to mention he was calling 13 K to win 27K. Which means in order to break even he has to be right one out of three times, or 33%. Then you have implied odds where the amount of money you make can be that much greater if you manage to crack a hand like aces or kings.
@@UnhingedanduninformedWhat kind of IO are you expecting putting in 1/3 of your stack?
More often the board comes Q83 or two hearts or 97x and you're priced in to call off your stack as an underdog.
IO makes sense to put in maybe 5% of your stack, and even then you need a 4bettor who is blind to possible flushes and straights.
@@PhilipJReed-db3zcIt was 13K from a stack of 60K. It wasn't 1/3. It was closer to 1/5. I'm not defending the play, but let's at least try and be accurate.
It sucks to get felted with Aces, get over it and move on
I think Garret has a better gripe!!
Give the boy a soother, wow, way out of line
GT should be mad at the fact that these guys know that he plays so bad that they will call anything because they know they will outplay them after the flop
Most of the time when my aces get cracked its usually some combo of suited cards
No way he cheated. Guy just mad his pocket AA gets cracked LMFAO.... 8/6 suited is a prefect hand to call with in a cash game to bust hands like AA KK QQ etc... Dude just cant lay down pocket AA's . Look i know pocket AA is the best hand in poker . But they get cracked all the time . Not that damn hard to fold .
It's the best hand in poker....PF.
@@padenbang7375 and gets cracked 20% of the time, give or take a little.
Agree with the getting cracked part, but if you are folding AA in that spot, you are torching money.
8 6 isn't the perfect hand to put %30 of your stack in preflop
@@jayurenos seat open. Don’t give that guy lessons.
Can someone explain the beeping noise sounds and looks suspicious to me
Do you think if someone cheats will let the sound on instead of vibration. Luda's just being Luda. He plays unconventional crazy hands.
I run so bad with Aces and at this point am jus used to losing with Aces, this is jus a suck out. Luda Chris plays like that , crazy preflop and hyper aggressive post.
19:31 Aces get cracked, why should one pair be good when you have 8 8 on the board. P.S. if you raise over two limpers you have JJ plus, A Q suited plus basically a top 7 percent of hands. The implied odds of seeing a flop where if you hit it misses the raisers range. Completely acceptable fold the flop if it hits his range. The complainer does not think in ranges.
If they were going to somehow rig the deck to cooler him, why wouldn't they just give him KK vs AA. A major part of his argument is that it's suspicious that Chris called with 86s, but surely it wouldn't have arisen suspicion if he just had aces. Emotional, silly accusation imo
it all goes back to the garrett-robbi hand. the way hustler casino live handled that situation has obviously undermined their credibility.
Hustler is rigged. Bottom line. If it happened once why wouldn't it happen again. It's entertainment. Just like the NFL. Rigged
This is standard for the guy. He did the same thing a year ago go where he called a large 4 bet with Q-10 off and ended up cracking aces.. People hold aces to long, I’ve done the same thing.
If a dude in his 50’s wants smoke, he can get smoke. Insulting my play is one thing. Insulting my integrity is different. Hopefully he calmed down and apologized.
I just can't see this hand being cheated. The crazy part isn't post flop its pre. Are we really saying Luda knew the deck? is the dealer that good at mechanics? seems a pretty remote chance to me.
The cheating allegations are just plain stupid. If someone was feeding him information, it would've been to FOLD preflop; unless the deck was somehow stacked to come out in Luda's favor. Once the flop comes, the hand plays itself. I don't see anything wrong from that point on. Now if the other player had KK or JJ, and Luda somehow had found a fold with his trips, then you might be able to justify an allegation. Another issue is the fact that he STAYS! If you think a game isn't on the level, why would you stay in it??? I once caught a married couple colluding in a game. Caught them red-handed. The guy then proceeded to threaten me. I calmly asked for the floor manager. The floor refused to do anything. So I asked to be moved into a different game. They told me they could only put me at the bottom of the list for a game; as that was the only game at that limit. So I told the floor manager off, collected my chips and left and have never been back to that room.
THIS HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF US!! How many of us have played out of position some garbage and get a dream flop? This shit happens. It’s ridiculous but it does happen.
Calling someone a cheat is almost calling someone a pedophile. This is a huge statement and GT should apologize for being a bitxh.
New found respect for Luda.
This doesn't look like cheating. It's nothing like the Robbi v Gman hand, nor the Postle hands.
Exact same thing happened to me last week at much lower stakes. Just have to remember you want them to make fish calls.
But you don’t want them to CHEAT. That’s what we’re talking about.
There's absolutely no cheating going on first of all. Second of all GT is really going to call this man a cheater to his face for over an hour and then not take him up on the offer to be searched?? That's how you know even he doesn't believe it....
The context here is missing. When Ryan Feldman was with Live at the Bike, there was HEAVY speculation of cheating with him and Chris. That’s what all the kerfuffle with Ryan and Garrett was about recently. Sure seems that many people think ‘Luda’ and Ryan cheated back in the day. Simple google searches will give you that context.
In a vacuum, seems GT is crazy for suggesting cheating. But GT is aware of the allegations of cheating with Chris in Feldman run games. That’s why he’s jumping to that conclusion. He’s not just randomly doing this because his aces got cracked.
Still, almost no chance of cheating here. None of the shadiness on HCL recently suggests a scam based on knowing the flop. Not how the alleged cheating purportedly works.
Just point out GT isn’t randomly tilting here. But that said, if you are GT, Garrett, whoever, and you know the history with Feldman and Chris, etc, why play on their stream. I can’t imagine knowing cheating allegations with certain players and producers, and then playing with them.
The more suspicious thing is Nick walking off stream the next time Luda played and he made a very loose call when usually a nit. Now I am not saying Luda cheated the last time he was on the show. I am saying I suspect many of these players just share the winnings later off stream and it is a show for certain players. Which of this is the case sorta makes the game less to me. I don’t have any evidence this happens later.
Had my aces cracked in a 4 bet pot by 5-2 suited. I flopped a set they flopped a steel wheel.
I have no idea who Luda Chris is and i'm just a micro stakes regular. If player calls big 4bet with a 86s out of position, he is not just a fish, he is a fat golden goose everyone would be happy to play with. He plays every second hand and bluffs every third one. But if Luda Chris is a competent player, i could believe that something was wrong with a dealer.
Jonathan, why a couple of my comments on this video were deleted?
There 2 questions though; did he cheat? (No), is it ok to slander someone on a live stream for 10 minutes+? If someone called me a cheat to thousands of people, constantly, I’d be calling the manager and possibly a lawyer
Once i also thought poker was set up against me after a bad run that hasnt happened in 10 years of game, but what GT is doing is really acusing not Luda Chris but Hustler's and its potential connections with Luda to set up hands, i think he's just running very bad and having a very very unlucky situations that led to that assumptions
Why arent Ludas cards being read by the card reader?
He can be upset and go full tilt. But once you accuse someone of cheating, using evidence of this hand and Airball’s 44, you better bring receipts or be prepared to have your reputation destroyed.
I’d say strangest thing is Luda saying “wow didn’t think you had aces”. What did he think then? AK? Quite thin river bet with an 8 if you don’t think they have AA.
Overall just looked like fairly amateur hand more than cheating.
GT is the same type of dude to fold his cards pre flop and be mad when they hit. Yelling, why did you make me fold? How is he playing on a poker stream and doesn't understand the concept of gambling?
This is more of a cheat and morexauspect than Robbie. No one calls with 8-6 in that spot without knowing what the flop will be. This HCL is too questionable. Very corrupt
I think it’s absolutely ludicrous that you would even ask this question we all know Ludacris did not cheat. We all know Ludacris plays several hands like this and he just happened to flop it. That’s a stupid question because we all know this is how poker goes.
When I first started playing poker, I cold called a 4 bet with K9 suited and flopped trip nines. Unlike luda, my first run up didn’t take me to the high stakes. But they didn’t wanna search my butthole for a vibrating butt plug, I just got called bad. 😢
Idk … do you slow down after that flop? I think he did right with the c bet then slowed down. 50% pot bet all in.. you gotta call that cuz that a small part of his stack anyway
he thinks he was cheated but still stuck around? 😅 “I’m actually not going to play tomorrow” Why are you still playing _right now?_ Pretty sure this guy was just pissed he lost his kid’s college money and was angling for a rebate from the hosts
Just to put this out there a player was caught with an "electric" signal ball in their private. Only reason it was caught was because it came out roughly later in hotel room.
I played a live tournament last night, blinds were 100/200. I had AA. 1st to act raises to 1,500 (I immediately know they have AK, KK, or QQ based on the player). I raise to 5,000. Another player behind calls. 1st to act goes all in, I go all in, and the last guy who called the 5K looks me dead in the eyes and calls the all in. I was right on 1st to act, he had QQ. The other opponent called with Q8 suited!!!! Dumbest call ever, but for some reason I knew the dumb caller was going to win. I wasn't afraid of a Q coming out since 3 were accounted for, and of course the turn/river were both 8s. Thankfully Q8 was small stacked - which is probably why he shipped it - but still, this type of play does happen. Some people just like to gamble
That being said, I can't stand when players take a loss so disgracefully as GT. Suckouts are part of the game, its 10000x more enjoyable when you just ride out the waves and don't act like a douche
21:48 Proves its very unlikely to be any foul play, and just a bitter pissed off jerk
What he should have said is "That's not even a poker hand!" How are people not demanding he shake down Luda in the hallway to get his money back?
Because most people understand and are fine with variance..? It's why poker is fun in the first place.
If you believe he might be cheating, why play in the first place? He said he had been warned. That implies he has a bias going into the game. A hand like this would only confirm that bias. You would need much more concrete evidence to make this sort of accusation especially when you admit you had been warned and then play anyway. That’s on you I think
In short, no, I don't believe Luda Chris cheated. His thought process, while potentially flawed because has was OOP, led him to believe that he had the right implied odds to call (he needed ~3:1 and was getting ~2:1, so he needs to make at least ~$13k to break even)
I've been playing poker for years
Never on a live stream. I can tell you for a FACT, this was a totally normal hand of poker. Turns out aces get cracked about 20% of the time. When they do, it usually looks like this. Don't invite that clown back
HCL glossed over Sia cheating the game so it’s not unreasonable for him to be tilted in this game. She’s just not been invited back for no reason? Come on
I don't know GT but if Luda thought his implied odds was all he had left it was 100% a call. He had 2/1 on a call, would get 1.6/1 vs AK so that woulda been +EV without implied odds. Against AA he had to win 3.5/1 cuz of 22% minus 2/1 pot odds = 1.5/1 implied odds so 1.5x 13.000 = 19500 implied money he'd think he'd have to win atleast! SO if GT is a nit who is gonna be ready to put atleast 20k in, it's 100% a call. Remember, this is not a tournament, it's a cash game.
No way he cheated. Just because he calls $19k pre, means nothing. Once the flop comes he ain’t going anywhere. If he called him down with 8 high that’s different
For cheating, it would have to be a dishonest deal - which seems highly unlikely. You'd need stats over dozens of hands for any confidence over an accusation like that. Ludo is aggressive, and his line doesn't seem so outlandish to me. He had 22% of well concealed equity against a deep stack!
He didn’t cheat, but his call doesn’t make any sense at all.
It is more suspicious that the very next show Hustler featured him on he played many hands liberally and also hit. It was almost as if Hustler was attempting to make a point Luda plays like this all the time and hits like this all the time. My opinion.
Why did he stay in the game if he thinks he's being cheated? Feldman should have given him the chance to apologise then tossed him.
If Robbie J Lew wasn't cheating
How could Luda who makes a more standard play than her, be
Luck plays a big role in poker which is it's appeal.
Took a swing then got priced in with implied, absolutely ZERO chance of cheating and the guy should just never play poker again if his aces being cracked makes him think everyone's cheating.
Implied odds? He had an SPR of 1, he put 400 bbs in with 8/6 , he has been accused by multiple players of cheating, he was living with the stream owner for years and the shuffling machines can be hacked and manipulated, I actually don't think he cheated bit to just shrug it off as he got caught up is ridiculous.
this is just another example of why ryan should NOT know what the cards are live...there is so many ways they could relay info to his friends without anyone knowing at the table...all they have to do is tell the camera man to zoom in or use the mic lights to relay info...these are some of the biggest cash games in the world and someone has access to real time info...thats nutz i cant believe people stlll play on that show
AA is a fold here after turn check. Luda could have 77/JJ//A8s. He bet before flop bc of the dead money in there though. Don’t feel like a cheating move. He would just call to get more ppl in. For AAs. He’s calling 60k regardless of what Luda do
Crying cheater in these poker stream games is out of control. I see hands like this played all the time. This is not unusual in any poker game. Crying after your aces get cracked like this seems crazy to me. Aces are still just one pair.
The thing that got my attetion, Dealer change right after the hand!! Jonathan you missed that! and that's make it even weird!
I play in a cash game where people gamble and call off their stacks with suited rags all the time preflop. It's called gambling, bingo or just crazy play. It's not poker but u want those calls all day. Eventually they get lucky some of the time.
The problem with cheating allegations here is that he played this terribly against AA and hole cards are really all the additional knowledge that's gainable unless you want to think they're using dealer mechanics and letting certain people know when their advantaged hands are coming. Luda didn't play this particularly well against AA. He made a good play to essentially squeeze against a 1k open and too many callers. The standup game made the open look polarized between huge pairs and trash and so a good chunk of time the 6k takes it down. On the other hand, if it was certainly AA he was up against, he should just join the calling parade and hope to flop well and get paid. So this is a really bad play against AA, IMO.
I think he then threw good money after bad with the call but with the implied odds of his range being depolarized by the call to just AA&KK maybe not. TBH the K88 board probably looked to Luda like HE might be getting set up, but he was pretty committed and did the right thing at that point to get all the money in.
didnt think he had aces LOL the dude bet 19k . the only 2 hands i put him on is AA and KK and maybe QQ
i sure he knew he had aces cause gt was literally playing his hand face up with the 19k bet.
that is typical luda 86 kind of hand so i dont think luda was cheating. luda is not an idiot . these guys know what they are doing. takes guts to call 19k with 86 suited . i have to admit
19k call when they usually play with millions...he took a "gaaamble" and won. What a cry baby! Aces get cracked every day!
There is always the possibility of cheating, but this hand shows no red flags at all.
This is normal Luda play. He has been playing like this on stream for over a year. Don't ever invite baby GT back.
Least he didn’t get set over set, then he really would have lost it. It happens, he was in a good spot as a huge favorite and got unlucky, lots of days Luda would have covered him and really ruined his day. Unless he thinks it’s some huge elaborate scheme with 30 or so people involved including the majority of people sitting in the game, but then that would mean that garret was in on it all along and every other big poker game/stream that he’s played on and had the same results, which would basically mean that poker in general is one big scam that everyone is in on to sucker whales in. He called 13k with a hand that is easy to play against an obvious range of an amateur. His direct odds are bad obviously, I’m not a huge math guy but I’m curious if you factor in the implied odds that if you hit your hand against likely AA,KK,AK that your gunna double up. If some reads this and wants to lay out the math that’d be sweet.
people are commenting that hes mad cause his aces were cracked... listen when someone raises then someone re raises then someone re raises and you are that deep... luda is not calling that much with half his stack pre flop... def seems rigged. 2/5ths of his chips went in preflop...with 8 6 ... u play that way, u go broke super fast.. but somehow he flops trips...
The only way for this to be cheating is if the deck was rigged.
What’s clearly happening here is just a bruised ego trying to find an explanation after getting aces cracked
Vertucci and Feldman in Magic's headphones must be some of the greatest audio ever transmitted
The very very deep stack angle is out the window when the guy with aces makes it 19 k
I’ve seen a hand where Luda Chris called down his entire stack of 60+k with fucking Queen high by the river against a very strong range/hand. So this isn’t out of character for him at all to call a third of his stack with 8 high pre. He is called Ludicrous for a reason 😂
If you can’t take a bad beat, probably shouldn’t play poker. Thing is, GT would’ve been perfectly happy and probably needled Luda for the call had his aces held up.
Completely out of line from GT.. demeanour of players like that is obvious when they have a premium pair pre, the hands on the mouth aren’t fooling anyone when the player is incapable of constructing a 4-bet range that doesn’t contain premiums.
Therefore, Luda is more than justified to make the call with a suited one gapper because you will get paid.
It's the 4bet call that's just...strange. Unless he thinks GT is heavily weighted toward Broadway cards and would 3bet-call to trap with big pairs, there's absolutely no way to justifiably call 86s profitably OOP at that stack depth, it's *extremely* -EV. Any Reg playing at that level knows that, but unfortunately, we'll never know if Luda planned to bluff on boards without an A/K/Q.
There are so many ways to cheat in poker, it's hard to say. But if I was cheating or part of a group of scammers, I'd pick a better spot to pull my stuff, just like Robbi with the J-4o, which was worse.
The commentary when he plays reminds me so much of GodKing Postle, not during this hand but just watching the stream, they talk about him like he's on another level.
But they're not very deepstacked at all anymore. Isn't he playing with only 47k behind when the pot will already be 40k? Horrific call. No opinion on cheating, though, these people are terrible at poker.
That is basically 380 BBs. What a nonsense play. I can understand why GT is upset bc he comes from a technical background and any person capable of counting would not be able to justify that call based on the risk.... unless you knew you were gonna hit. not saying he cheated. just saying it is ridiculous. also the info that Luda and Ryan were roommates and that he was banned from the bike streams does make it look bad
The funniest part of all this is he keeps explaining himself to the guy beside him...like he can convince the guy to be on his side. That guy, just like everyone else thinks he's delusional.
This GT dude is just ridiculous.. Did he not realise it's cashgame? Poor man, Aces have to win every single time in his mind. What a fish