Honestly, it's so tiring going online and seeing a cool edit of Messi or Ronaldo then all the comments are negative. It shouldn't matter which is better, it matters how you feel when you watch them. For me, I love watching Messi play, his dribbling is just mesmerizing. And that has nothing to do with Ronaldo because people who love watching amazing goals will like watching him. Football isn't about hate it is about watching something that brings you joy.
@@LeoMessi10...88 bro respect both goats you little kid. You haven’t even watched cristiano or Messi’s prime. Anyone who seriously says pessi or ronaldo isn’t a real football fan and this is accepted by many people. So you’re not actually a real football fan.
@@vfamily4396 when they lost against Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 and was suffering in the first half of the second game against Mexico 🇲🇽 u guys didn’t say anything about cheating now they won the final is cheating 😂😂 keep on crying ur Penaldo will never hold a World Cup
@@Santos-qq3jt because cheating didn't happen until ko rounds after facing Poland, even tho Argentina did get robbed off 1 goal against Saudi Arabia. Don't even act like Messi and Argentina didn't cheat lol
@Santos-qq3jt Pessi had a dived penalty against Poland, dived penalty against Netherlands, dived penalty against France, did handball against Netherlands which should've been a yellow card because it stopped a promising attack and eventually a red card because he had a yellow card that match, says wowo to Netherlands player but still no match ban which according to rules should be a match ban, Thuram got fouled in finals and no penalty given, Argentina bench on field right before Argentina scored meaning game should've been paused or goal disallowed. That's a lot of robbery for a single world Cup 🤣 Bye!
I think that most of the hate comes from the CR7 fanbase, I remember that when Messi lost the World Cup final and the two Copa America finals back to back, the hate was unbelievable. So in other words, the Ronaldo mafia has a severe case of rent-free.
bro this is just one sided bias bs tf you can say the same for the messi fanbase when ronaldo had a 3 year ucl run with a euros and unl like tf its both fanbases not just one and its 50% from each side bro
Lol when I was in high school in 2015 the pessi and penaldo comments were already existent plus I believe it started back in 2012, it's both fan bases don't get it twisted
@@Seyy1x dude they literally chant curse words in Madrid about Messi. Dude lives rent free in Madrid. In Barcelona Messi is their everything, they don’t give a F about Ronaldo it’s a different vibe. Which why legends from both sides consider Messi to have had the better legacy.
@@Seyy1xthe 3 year ucl and euros is not even close to how bad messi losing the wc and compa America was , that was when people started Calling messi a pecho Frio, saying he was just a system dependent player that couldn't do anything outside barca , saying that he got carried by cavi and Iniesta ☠️ , dude they started burning T-shirts of him, you can't lie and start cherry picking , go to any comment section regarding this topic , most will be rono fans saying the d33mb3s7 sh4t ever
@@Mhmd59K Really, bro? Nobody can stop me to support Brazil, or France, or Spain, and Real Madrid, even when I'm not Brazilian/French/Spanish/Madrid citizen.
1)There was never a debate to begin with. 2)There was never a comparison to begin with. 3)The goat debate was invented by ESPN and the media. 4)Messi should have only be compared to Arjen Robben and Neymar. 5)Ronaldo is just a good goal scorer to be compared with Drogba, Tevez, Aguero, Suarez, Batistuta, Mbappe etc... That's the right comparison. 6)The greatest Ronaldo accomplishment was to be compared with Messi for 15 years. 7)The only HATE for Ronaldo is that he was too overrated for too long. 8)Stop using Messi in the same sentence with Ronaldo.
I’ll keep it simple, I’ve always been a CR7 fan and had him as a G.O.A.T, but ever since Messi won the World Cup he’s definitely the G.O.A.T but I’m still a CR7 supporter over Messi.
Just because Messi won the WC, that doesn't justify putting him above Cr7 objectively. Its after all, "just a trophy". So for anyone who Switches Goats because of a trophy, they probably never saw him as a GOAT. The things Ronaldo did in the 21/22 Season in the PL alone, were on of the reasons that cemented his Goat Status for me.
@@muhammed-yusuf959 bro… this is the World Cup we’re talking about; not the euros/copa america/olympics. The World Cup is the most prestigious and illustrious tournament to win in the football world.
@GuLawKnee Bro, you literally put the Euros in the same categories as Copa America and Olympics. In terms of Prestige the Euros is comparable to the WC but more competitive. And again, it's a tournement not an invidiual thing. Have you ever seen the ODDS of Portugal wining the Euros or Nations League? While Argentina was always a favourite. Looking at the impact they had on their country, Cr7 still excelled. Its like calling Mbappe the GOAT in future just because Haaland couldnt win internationally
I see Messi as the GOAT, period. Whether Ronaldo succeeds or not. I just rather see him losing than winning it makes me smile. But again I dont mind him winning as well…
I see cr7 as the GOAT, period. He simply dominated everywhere, even the hardest league EPL, won 2 trophies with a weak national team who is only good now.
Ronaldo gets a lot of hate because of the way he conducts himself. He is a great player but is very arrogant and selfish on the pitch most of the time. Messi keeps to himself, doesn't throw shade at other players and never calls himself the best. Im not making a case for messi being the goat Im only explaining why ronaldo gets the hate that he gets. This also goes for other players that are arrogant and cocky. Messi gets hate because people think he is too introverted or not a leader. Also Argentinians dont hate on portugal because the reality is we dont have a rivalry with them at all.
It's not about the GOAT debate It's about some dumb fans who cry Messi is FIFA's boy every time he wins something! Where were these idiots before 2022?!?! And I must say that it's hard to see people undermining Messi just for Ronaldo's sake and that instills hate towards Ronaldo indirectly
Its never going to change. Both fanbases are going to consistently want the other to fail as long as people still want to entertain the GOAT debate. That's fine, its called rivalry. You can't cheer for both because then you are accused of switching sides which proves why one player is better than the other. Blame Twitter, UA-cam, and other social medias for that.
Bro he doesn't know what he's say. Trash opinion even Messi and Ronaldo ain't friends and one always wants to be ahead. He's no real fan of any maybe just a football lover
I was so happy, I even cried when Argentina won the World Cup. As a Ronaldo fan mind you, who I prefer. My family mocks the heck out of me for being a Madridista, because I like some of the Barca players. It’s so toxic
@@Codetrey ballon dor and ucl was not a thing that time your clown 🤡 players from South America stay there and played football who made football in South America 10x better than it is today… btw Ronaldo have every record in champions league like most goals, assist, knock-out goals, most goals in finals, most goals in a season but overall I still rate players like Pelè over Ronaldo and Messi
@@captainfalconmain6576your gay bro your on all these Messi vs Ronaldo videos because yk that Ronaldo is the true goat. He lives rent free and pays the rent.
Facts, me growing up loving football in all forms, from being most of the day playing it outside, playing it on PlayStation, watching live games on tv, going to the stadium to watch live games or watch live training sessions from my team( benfica), watching Barca just because was joyable to watch being Madridista... Football is that, love it as a whole.
It's the same with both Ronaldo and Messi, they will never be satisfied despite their success. Twitter is a menace. A lot of their drama queens are from more uncultured backgrounds
Messi is better. There is delusional people that think ronaldo is better. Messi is better like freaky out of world dribbling, chip shot, curling natural freekicks, humbleness, not diving, beating 3 to 4 defenders at once often, 8 ballondors. Ronaldo is not even the number 2, 3 or 4 dribble of all time. Ronaldo cannot curl freekicks he uses power, his chip shots not even ok, not humble and dives, shelfish (blue tooth goal), he doesn't give penalties away. Messi cant help he is better footballer more gifted while ronaldo is more power and hard training. Ronaldo fans must except Messi is a better footballer and doesnt need to train like a freak.
You still haven't mentioned the part where messi never even played at the best league, he always needed overpowered teams to perform, only 2019 he performed good with a not so good team. CR7 has proven himself everywhere, he always had worse teams than messi except 07-09 man utd. Messi fans always ignoring that part, cr7 simply worked so hard he became better than someone talented as messi.
@@vfamily4396 My friend Christiano plays with teams that dominated their leagues. He started at Man utd who was already winning league after league in the EPL. He went to REAL who was already winning league after league in LALIGA. He went to Juventus who was winning league after league in SERIA A. Juventus won 11 consecutive leagues before he went there. Meaning Christiano goes to best teams in their league at that time. So stop with different club nonsense.
@bsph6504 Real madrid was awful, they were nowhere to be seen in ucl for years till cr7 joined. Also, cr7 didn't join man utd at its best, arsenal was much better. He joined real madrid when barca won everything in existence. Only juventus makes sense, and if adapting to a new team and new league is so easy, why couldn't Messi do it in his 1st season in psg? Cr7 always had weaker teams than Messi except 07-09 man utd and 2012 2017 2018 madrid. Portugal was always miles worse than Argentina.
Just as you uploaded this, BBC Sports came up with "Mistiano Penaldo" a few days after. When the some of the big medias are this childish and braindead, what do you expect from the haters?!
Stfu. The goat debate was over when Messi was 23. The media debate was over after the world cup . There is nothing left , Messi is the best and by a distance.
Bro Goat debate was settled at last World Cup where Ronaldo had a greater chance of advancing than Messi So Messi fans are content He proved to those few who where not convinced that he is better than Ronaldo Don’t get me wrong Ronaldo is a fantastic player
very true, I never understood hate watching. I wouldn't trash talk Messi, he's an amazing player but for me CR7 is the goat (viva Portugal;i really hope we get far). I think people forget the goat in any sport or even music is very opinionated. I'm really hoping Brazil wins Copa America, always going for the lusophone communities. we have to support each other lol.
The difference is when you talk objectively about who is better from recorded data and statistics. Numbers say messi is better. Obviously its subjective who is truly the best but when people go and try and deny who is objectively the best ever is when heated debates start. Its not a opinion its a fact that objectively messi is the greatest from numbers. Obviously stats aren’t anything but there the only objective way to measure.
@@JBholmes420 can't follow the crowd though. fan bases are very big and it's not fair to group everyone together. if I did that I would become one of those people who trash talk Messi because I do see Messi fans trash CR7 alot but I know that I can't treat all Messi's fans the same plus its not on Messi, Ronaldo or any famous figure to control their fans because its not possible unfortunately.
@@delta2370 that's true but I honestly see the stats as only a small part for fans, most fans support teams/players based on personal factors. so many teams wouldn't have such large strong fanbases if we went off stats alone. the goat conversation in many sports is a combination of stats/breaking records and also how well people connect to said player. I think that's the reason no sport has an undisputed goat, someone will always have another answer, which can be based on the era, country, etc.
@@delta2370I don't think stats really support Messi being better or Cr7 being better. I love for example using Goal Ratios throughout their whole career. However, since Ronaldo went from midfield to offensive, he has been more relentless in terms of goal scoring numbers and quality.
Don’t disrespect Luis Figo because you love Ronaldo…Figo was among the first generation of young Portuguese players to put Portugal on the map…Before CR7, there was Figo…
Bruh i personally do not care who people regard as their football goat but if u are an honest individual who enjoys this sport objectively and are mature enough to engage without trolling or being biased we gotta admit that Ronaldo has it worse then Messi. Ever since he returned back to United and even prior to that there has been a blatant effort to diminish and disregard Ronaldo and his football. From pundits openly and repeatedly expressing their dislike of him on their public platforms to officials almost utterly showcasing a personal unfavourable sentiment towards him. While Messi has always been protected and pandered to irrespective of his unsportsmanlike behaviour on the field and even when he doesn’t deserve he gets the awards. Again, u can hail Messi as Jesus himself and think he literally created the heavens and the earth but let’s be honest this goat debate has always been against Ronaldo and for Messi.
BROOOO IS 100% FACTS. EVEN BIG FIFA NAMES FAVOURED MESSI MOCKING CR7 AS A CAPTAIN AND MESSI LIKE A FAVORITE SON WHO EVRRYONE LIKES ex fifa president said it on live tv LOL Comes down to balon d or too, based of journalist who like someone more tha. The other not based on who actually plays better that 1 year. Favoritism 100%
Blue we don’t care bout their actions outside of the sport or their sportsmanship to determine who’s the best. Messi just better in pretty much every stat
More mature football fans knew, that we've almost never seen GOAT debates back in our days. We enjoyed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane, Maradona, and so on equally. We might have our own "best", but we knew that it's just a personal, subjective choice. We'd never debate it with other people's choice. Newer generations really love to force their world into 1 "sharp"(but it's dull in reality) conclusion: the greatEST, the MOST, etc. I personally don't value Messi too much, just because I've seen what he did already when Maradona was around (he's my GOAT). So to me, while Messi is still one of the greatest of course, Maradona claimed that place in my heart first. On the other hand, I've never seen a forward as clinical, as complete as Cristiano. Tap ins, long ranges, right foot, left foot, low ball, high ball, big space, small space... name it, he scored it.
you never had those debates before because there was no social media, the thing is that the greatest player ever has to be objective, theres no other way about it, people like you are a big part of the problem because you can't distinghuish the best player to your personal favourite player. Messi is objectively the goat
@@osas5883 Debates exist long before social media, kiddo. So do forums, mailing list, discussion groups, and many other forms. The term "greatest" in footballer is more like philosophical term, not physical (it's IMMEASURABLE). Actually, the nature that the topic is very NOT OBJECTIVE shows why there's debates, and no consensus whatsoever. You're so confuse, that you're mixing up "the greatest XXXXX in the world" (has clear length/diameters/etc), with "the greatest footballer of all time", which never has no solid basis on how to measure it. Remember, footballer itself is a very loose term. It can be used by all players from all positions. To choose only one to be the greatest over all of those positions is IMPOSSIBLE. But yes, you can worship any goat you want, of course. And defend him to every corner of the Earth also. To me, it's clear, there will never be universal goat. Not in the past, present, or future. NOT EVER!
@@Skyrus007 Have trouble at reading? What am I doing in the end exactly? I've said Messi is one of the greatest, but he can't replace Maradona as my GOAT. Your problem? 🤔
@@CaraVerde Maybe you have trouble comprehending your own statement. You say back in the days you used to enjoy every other great equally and yet Maradona is your GOAT, yet you keep blabbling about how great Ronaldo is at tap ins. Again, you are actually funny.
Bad take. Just because you hate watch a player doesn’t mean you think your other player is any weaker. A person can know Messi is undisputed but still want to see Mbappe lose just because.
This guy talking about Messi fans wanting cr7 to fail but the biggest hate in sports history is cr7 fans calling a World Cup rigged. You guys are the biggest disgrace to the sport of football , you tainted the football for the new generation. “La pelota no se mancha” - Maradona
While this all started with the fans , Ronaldo and his family had quite a lot to contribute as well. Had he been like Messi, never hate talking about the other guy, never liking and posting posts on Insta/twitter that directly or indirectly troll Messi ; people would never have a problem with him. You gotta understand, that Ronaldo and his family are a huge problem themselves. Look at Ronaldo's sister for example. How many times has she posted borderline insulting stuff on insta and Twitter targeting Messi ?! His clan and fanbase derive the hate energy directly from him. You're wrong on one big front. Messi fans (most of them), do not want Ronaldo to fail because he threatens the Goat crown. No. The Goat crown has no contender. It is Messi. Undisputed. We don't hate Ronaldo to double check that. We hate Ronaldo because he's just obnoxious. As great of a player he is, he has a truly obnoxious & narcissistic personality. No one likes a narcissist. Not just Football. I see personalities like Ronaldo in other sports too. And I hate pretty much all of them. Modric is a Madridista. I love him. I love Casillas, Ramos, James, Raul, Kroos,.. Talking about Portugal, I love most of their players. Ronaldo and Pepe? I won't bother if they dropped dead on the field. Similar personalities irrespective of how good they are..
@@jameshamze You didn't understand the point of the video. And yes there will be always the debate. Look the comparison between pele and maradona. that's an eternity debate.
You didn't understand the point of the video. And yes there will be always the debate. Look the comparison between pele and maradona. that's an eternity debate.
GREAT OPINION AND VIDEO LIKE ALWAYS SKILLZ. I agree with every point tbh, but I want to add something to the question “what went wrong” I believe that most people who discuss and slander Messi or ronaldo are either kids or newer football fans. All older people I know don’t argue like this.
@@malekith33 Nah, messi international career was full of choking until refs came to help with dived pens and handballs lol. In fact you tell me, if you rewatch the messi penalty against Netherlands, an Argentine player was in penalty box before messi even shot the ball, how was the penalty not disallowed? Exactly, messi fans always ignoring the robbery and that cr7 had portugal which is 10x weaker. Bye, messi fans exposed, this youtube channel is rly good, glad to see it's making messi fans cry. Muted :)
How can people really compare CR7 with Messi? If you actually watch football you hardly can compare Messi with anyone... Maradona, Messi, Ronaldo (the better one R9), Ronaldinho all thoses are on a different league
This isn't even a debate now, used to be a debate up until the world cup, not anymore. I love Ronaldo too, don't wan't him to suffer, but for sure I know who my GOAT is.
@FernandoGarcia-i9r definitely was a debate. You don't know what you're on about simple as that. imagine saying there wasn't a debate when we live in the technological age with one simple search I can find hundreds of videos, articles, podcasts, chat forums, etc, with people discussing the goat debate... it's coming off like you don't know what it means to have a debate.
AA is the true Goat. Most based and rational football fan on the planet. I can't escape from the brainrot of comparison between people but he is capable of separation.
The two greatest players in football history should be respected and everyone has the right to choose who their G.O.A.T is without hating on the other player. As far as I'm concerned Cristiano Ronaldo is the G.O.A.T and there's literally nothing anyone can say to make me change my mind or have any doubts about that 🗣️ SIUUUUU
The thing is yeah you can celebrate both but people comparing the two players is just not fair ronaldo is a great player one of the greats but he's not messi.
Dude, that's your opinion. If you're tired, go rest and leave it for us! Me, I unapologetically want a Cristiano team to lose every match they play. Otumfour Kojo Agyemang
He doesn't seem to be neutral.He said Ronaldo suffered during his initial period but he forgot to tell that Ronaldo played in FC Porto which is Top 3 in Portugal, multiple times Portuguese league winners! He said Ronaldo won in EPL , la Liga and Seria A. True.But did he play for Everton, Atalanta or Real Sociedad and won titles? No.A big No! Cristiano played for Prime Man United with world class players Ronnie, Giggs, Rio, Carrick. He played in the most successful club Real Madrid with Bale, Benzema, Kaka, Modric,kroos,Ramos etc.Even in Serie A he played in serial league winner Juventus with world class players. So Your point Cristiano is a "bechara" player conquered across Europe isn't valid much! Don't hesitate to say you are a fan of Cristiano or Messi. No need to hide behind being neutral!
I totally agree with this take as it’s something I’ve been saying for years. If you personally think Messi is the goat then why even debate it? This goes to show a lot of “Messi fans” are really just Ronaldo haters because their favour for Messi is based of Ronaldo shortcomings instead of its being based on Messi greatness.
Singling out Messi fans just shows that you are part of the problem lol. We not gonna sit here and act like Ronaldo fans don't call everything that Messi won rigged. The fact is that both fan bases have toxic fans and it will never change.
Portugal and Argentina are struggling countries, our journeys haven't been easy and both our peoples need and appreciate the joy and honor of having such examples, let's just enjoy the sheer talent, two gifts from our shores to the world.
As a. Messi fan I liked Ronaldo but since he started commenting and doing things to make him feel better and disrespect messi on his achievements e.g on insta I hate him now because messi always said good things about him and he is acting like a child
Just saying, close competition doesn't mean you cant think one of them is the goat, because as you said, its close, not even, which means one is better, which also means one is the goat. I agree with everything else except this weird point.
I mean ofcourse you're a messi fan you when you see t9xic messi fans you would turn a check vise versa for r9naldo fans. Which proves the point of this video that deep down people are hate without them noticing it l
Most of the fans have forgotten that football is a team sport and neither Ronaldo nor Messi can face 11 players alone and score a single goal. Even if Ronaldo and Messi play to together as teammates they cant face 11 players and score. If Messi or Ronaldo score any goal they score it for the team and not for themselves. People are just forcing an unnecessary debate.
I grew up idolizing Ronaldo sense his Manchester United days. Never really cared for Messi. I think he’s phenomenal but he never did it for me and the same with majority of my friends growing up. Until this social media era came around where you had to love one and hate the other. It’s insane and it’s really the fault of the internet. Bc right now I can look back and I miss those days in the early 2010s were they were at their pick and I’m so glad they still here in 2024 still doing their thing, I have nothing but respect and admiration for BOTH!
None ofthis kumbaya talk when Messi was losing international trophies back to back , now that your countryman is proven to be below Messi you wanna talk peace and ignore the vitriol that Messi suffered at the hands of CR7 fanbase. From Messi FC no one even cares about CR7 , its always been from CR7 and Madrid fans . The truth do not need to be validated , you can have preference of style but numbers tell the truth on who is the GOAT, say that out loud .
3 questions for Ronaldo/Messi fans: 1. Are you the player?, 2. Are you friends with or have you met the player? 3. Have you seen the player in real life?. No ! So shut up, mind your own business and enjoy their final years!
@@ItsRon91 I’m not white lol🤣🤣 😭u still think Ronaldo is better in 2024. It shows you know nothing about football. So take your own advice and watch tennis “buddy” 🎾
It's true what he is saying, you don't 'need' to hatewatch the other guy if one guy is your GOAT, but whether or not you 'want' to hatewatch is another matter xd
Nah, cr7 is def miles ahead, no way you just said messi is better goal scorer lol, cr7 has higher goal ratio from 2009-2018 when they fought same competition.
Its the same on both sides bro. Anyone who tries to say it's one sided or happens more on one side is part of the problem. From what I've seen is that Messi fans will 'hate' on Ronaldo based on the things he hasn't won for example WC or saying Messi has more things like golden boots and things like that. On the other hand Ronaldo fans will say everything that Messi won is rigged and say things like Messi only did it in one league and things like that. At the end of the day it's those people that hate on the other person's success because they afraid of it taking away from the other players success. Unfortunately this will never change and this goes for all the sports.
@@NoooTheWall I did not say it's only Messi fans I said most. Bro Messi won World Cup every Messi fans said debate over. But still they are relentless when it comes to Cristiano Ronaldo.
I think the GOAT debate should be settled by actually seeing who the better football player is. Hate aside, but anyone who watches football knows the answer.
Messi is better objectively that’s it bro great video every metric says Messi best and eye test Messi is too ,cr7 is the second for me tho he’s phenomenal athlete,Messi just a phenomenal footballer player
1:32 this is exactly why CR7 is not the GOAT. He always talks about Messi and most of the time in a negative way. He said that Saudi League is in the same level as Ligue 1 and is better than MLS (we all know why). He said that Ballon d'Or and The Best FIFA Football Awards "are losing credibility" (just beacuse Messi won them in recent years). Mocked Messi for losing Copa America in his own country in 2011. CR7 is simply the biggest Messi hater ever , just look at what his sister posts on her social media.
First of all... You seem like a messi fan even keeping tabs on his sister lol Fifa has lost alot of respect world wide so has the balon d or. Its all based of journalist who vote. They like messi bc how he carried himself not bc he actually plays well... 100% facts. Now saudi league is indeed better than MLS Rankings buddy. Look it up. No1 watches MLS Saudi is getting big bc so many big named are coming there. Not just bc of ronaldo... Yes he mights influenced but lets be real lol ney? Cr7? Kante? Benz? List goes on. Again thats your opinion but toy seem like a cheerleader defending messi lol
10:05 the hate comes from Cristiano Ronaldo himself. Laughing emojis about Messi's WC triumph , commenting "factos" , saying that he deserves more Ballon d'Or than Messi , saying that Golden Shoe is better individual award beacuse "it does not depend on votes". He said all of these against Messi but we get it , he knows deep down inside that Messi is just better than him. Messi never claimed to be the GOAT unlike Ronaldo,Maradona,Pele.
@@ivanguerrero8698 Here u are defending ur idol. Everything u said shows ur idol insecurities. "Fifa has lost respect" since Messi won the World Cup. Ballon d'Or used to be the most presitigous award in Football but now is just a "journalist vote". European Golden Shoe used to be most prestigious top scorer award BUT now has no value. "No one watches MLS" while ur idol plays in empty stadiums in Saudi League. Stop embarrassing urself.
Ngl my man. Butttt i always loved watching ronaldo. Im a messi die hard and i know a lot of messi fans who like ronaldo however they turned against ronaldo due to his fanbase. From what i noticed messi fans "not all" prefer messi due to a unique talent. However ronaldo has more PR and media involvement so he gained a lot of succes fans. Brainless kids ofc messi has them to but ronaldo is more influential on those areas. Which is fine but the fanbase is ruining it for a lot of fans tbh
@@robinspiekman9916 Ronalo honestly is just less likeable, i loved him before but in the last years he is just showing how much he hates that messi is better than him.
Broo you have trust issue My name is Ronaldo and love CR7 for real. Messi is fantastic and so Ronaldo. We create things that does not exist and we fight against who do not agree with us. That is the problem.
Who wouldnt be sad after their country doesn’t win the World Cup , he never talked bad about Messi when he won it. I remember in one of his videos he was defending Argentina because of the whole rigged World Cup thing
Such huge respect to you for this,u cant call yourself a true sports fan or anything if your gonna hate on messi or ronaldo just because,no man those people are so delusional,its like you said hate watch
The most hypocrisy is that they say Messi won the world cup.But they also say that Ronaldo didn't win the Euros as Football is a "Team Sport ".😂😂.what a disgrace of a fanbase lol.bunch of 12 year olds.
It's funny how y'all started singing different song once Messi won the World Cup. You CR7 fans said Messi can't be in the goat discussion because he never won anything for his country after CR7 won the hero, now that he won the Copa and World Cup you are talking about enjoy both or the world cup was given to him. The disgrace fanbase is the one that really think a World Cup was organized just to be given to one person and your idol liking negative posts from his fan pages about Messi. Y'all hypocrisy is weird.
@@shuggfilmzandstudio2354THISSSSS!!! Messi was my goat before and after Ronaldo won the Euros. Is just funny that Messi fans wasn’t shouting rigged and all that when Portugal qualified as a 3rd place team and then winning with Ronaldo on the bench. When Ronaldo won it was the debates over etc but I understand why Messi fans react this way because they had to endure so much bs from CR fans for years. And this is coming from a guy who’s favourite player isn’t even Messi, as a midfielder I idolized Iniesta maybe some may say I’m a bit bias as he was iniestas teammate but I just prefer the way that football and they both played. Team accomplishments don’t determine how good a player really is.
What is that robbed wc trophy doing on ur profile? dived pens, argentina player in penalty box before messi even shot his penalty against netherlands but penalty not disallowed, handball by messi and more.
Several problems with the GOAT debate. Messilovers, fans and media, are the biggest problem. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Messi at anything, ever. Messi winning the WC supposedly finished the debate because Messi completed football ⚽. Those of us who watched the WC saw FIFA and Qatar gift Messi the WC, just like they gifted Messi his last 3 Balon d'Or for simply picking his nose. That said, Messi is one of the GOATs, just like CR7. Their rivalry is the GOAT of all rivalries in the history of sport, and likely in all of human history. Look at the record books, and there is a clear delineation of Before Ronaldo & Messi, and After Ronaldo & Messi. But ⚽ is made up of more than stats and records, and so the Pantheon of GOATs is lined with dozens of football gods and demi-gods. Each one with a chappel of their own. The debate isn't over yet. Both GOATs are still playing, still scoring, still breaking records, still winning trophies. When all is said and done, Messi will likely go down as the best player of all time, and Ronaldo will go down as the greatest player of all time. BOAT & GOAT sharing the biggest, newest, most impressive temple in the Pantheon of Football. Ask me my GOAT, and it's Cristiano Ronaldo. I admit, I do like to see sad Messi cry, but I'll never deny his extreme talent as a player. Something you'll never hear from the Messilovers. Their brains will never grow big enough to understand.
Why u acting as if he only scored penalties in WC and did nothing. If we exclude penalties he still would have had three goals and three assists. His performance was incredible , everyone would admit it beside CR7 fans. Nobody complained when CR7 had three penalties in four games in EURO 2020. FIFA invented "Special award" for CR7 but somehow they force us to believe that FIFA is against him lol.
Growing up, I did not really like football or any sport. I vividly remember the day I fell in love with the sport. It was the 2011 Barcelona vs. Manchester United game. I remember watching Messi glide down the field, and it honestly looked like art to me. Even though I love Messi, I also love watching Ronaldo play because he is also an artist in the field, but any time I say this, I get killed for liking both and not hating one
Who cares if you like both you do truth be told I once told a friend it would be an injustice to football for messi or ronaldo to fail to win a wc it's just sad they didn't get more major titles I like messi more but I don't watch Saudi league to see ronaldo fail i think he just need to relax and enjoy the game to bad though ppl will always have that just enjoy the players you liked im actually hoping portugal wins the euros normally I don't care about the euros but this year I rooting for these guys
I swear the majority of them are Messi fans I don't know why they hate Ronaldo this much, I mean I think Ronaldo is the goat but I still love Messi and like to watching him doing well
Everyone hates Penaldo since he is arrogant and selfish. Even his own teammates hate him and that’s why he was benched by Portugal making him the BOAT (Benched of All Time). Hahahahaha
So youre telling me the football coaches and players that said it are also ronaldo fans? 😂😂😂. I dont say messi didnt deserv the world cup here but just a repley to your comment
Messi deserved the world up But did they win it fairly without help? Ofc not Did he deserve that balon d or? Ofc not Does he deserve being named in this year balon d or if he wins the copa america OFC NOT Ronaldo has never been a flop in any league. Man U. didn't like him. He did great plays team sucked b4 him And now too Juve how many goals did he score? Real? Saudi? Done it all Chamo everywhere he goes. Portugal? Not a debate. Messi is great no cap But we seen a messi (MARADONA) WE AINT EVER SEEN A RONALDO who scores with a left Right Head Dribbled like him Speed Height in jumps Come on. LOL Only thing messi has over him is the passing maybe THAT IS IT.
Some of us never hated Ronaldo it's just the delusional fans that ruin it
This is exactly how i feel, i enjoy watching CR7
True. It's delusional to hate on Messi just because you like Ronaldo. Childish behavior.
😊😊😊very true
Other way around
@@Agonyamyea this guy hates Ronaldo cuz he likes messi
Agree 100% The most people don't see Football as a whole!
Honestly, it's so tiring going online and seeing a cool edit of Messi or Ronaldo then all the comments are negative. It shouldn't matter which is better, it matters how you feel when you watch them. For me, I love watching Messi play, his dribbling is just mesmerizing. And that has nothing to do with Ronaldo because people who love watching amazing goals will like watching him. Football isn't about hate it is about watching something that brings you joy.
Same i like Ronaldo's play style but that doesn't degrade messi in any way
If it’s so tiring just ignore them or don’t go to comments
@@JoseAlvarado-em5fk case and point.
Social media is a toxic place
Messi is the GOAT 🐐.
Penaldo fans still trying to keep Penaldo in the GOAT debate. Penaldo was out of the debate after leaving Madrid😂.
The truth is there never was a debate, Messi was always better
pretty much
true
Imagine having no competition for assists and goals not forgetting dribbling
and ur a part of the problem
@@Girum8hee not wrong though
Seeing someone who actually gets it and isn't just a hater is just absolutely amazing..... nice POV bro....same here
We need more ppl with this
@@reubenelite fr
People will only start to admire both a little bit once when they are officially done playing
Facts
@@JBholmes420😂😂😂true lol
They're gonna start comparing their kids
@@sdm_zabruh 😂😂😂😂
@@AlabaJason
Ah no they won't
People are jus a bunch of drama queens, they love something to discuss about.
Kind of like how there’s a lot of youtubers from certain fanbases that only exist to bring toxicity and nothing else.
More like "debate", not "discuss".
Tbh most people who argue are newer football fans or just kids.
Messi is the GOAT 🐐.
Penaldo fans still trying to keep Penaldo in the GOAT debate. Penaldo was out of the debate after leaving Madrid😂.
@@LeoMessi10...88 bro respect both goats you little kid. You haven’t even watched cristiano or Messi’s prime. Anyone who seriously says pessi or ronaldo isn’t a real football fan and this is accepted by many people. So you’re not actually a real football fan.
Were where you when Ronaldo fans were celebrating when Messi lost in the World Cup final in 2014 and 2015 and 2016 cup America in a row 😂😂
Here still, now messi out here being caught cheating in wc 2022 lol.
@@vfamily4396 when they lost against Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 and was suffering in the first half of the second game against Mexico 🇲🇽 u guys didn’t say anything about cheating now they won the final is cheating 😂😂 keep on crying ur Penaldo will never hold a World Cup
@@Santos-qq3jt because cheating didn't happen until ko rounds after facing Poland, even tho Argentina did get robbed off 1 goal against Saudi Arabia. Don't even act like Messi and Argentina didn't cheat lol
@Santos-qq3jt keep on crying, pessi will never get a fair world cup, always will be known as a cheater. Bye!
@Santos-qq3jt Pessi had a dived penalty against Poland, dived penalty against Netherlands, dived penalty against France, did handball against Netherlands which should've been a yellow card because it stopped a promising attack and eventually a red card because he had a yellow card that match, says wowo to Netherlands player but still no match ban which according to rules should be a match ban, Thuram got fouled in finals and no penalty given, Argentina bench on field right before Argentina scored meaning game should've been paused or goal disallowed. That's a lot of robbery for a single world Cup 🤣
Bye!
I think that most of the hate comes from the CR7 fanbase, I remember that when Messi lost the World Cup final and the two Copa America finals back to back, the hate was unbelievable. So in other words, the Ronaldo mafia has a severe case of rent-free.
bro this is just one sided bias bs tf you can say the same for the messi fanbase when ronaldo had a 3 year ucl run with a euros and unl like tf its both fanbases not just one and its 50% from each side bro
Lol when I was in high school in 2015 the pessi and penaldo comments were already existent plus I believe it started back in 2012, it's both fan bases don't get it twisted
@@Seyy1x dude they literally chant curse words in Madrid about Messi. Dude lives rent free in Madrid. In Barcelona Messi is their everything, they don’t give a F about Ronaldo it’s a different vibe. Which why legends from both sides consider Messi to have had the better legacy.
Same thing goes with Messi fans.
@@Seyy1xthe 3 year ucl and euros is not even close to how bad messi losing the wc and compa America was , that was when people started Calling messi a pecho Frio, saying he was just a system dependent player that couldn't do anything outside barca , saying that he got carried by cavi and Iniesta ☠️ , dude they started burning T-shirts of him, you can't lie and start cherry picking , go to any comment section regarding this topic , most will be rono fans saying the d33mb3s7 sh4t ever
Son Heung Min ❌️
Sonaldo ✅️
Wtf??
@@Ishko7124:06
Hate the goat debate, support your club/country not individuals
Most people don’t watch a game for a team, they watch it for a player bc they are the ones who attack, defend, and score beautiful goals.
I'm Asian (same as 60% of the world population) can yoy please tell me how am i supposed to support my country in euros or copa?
Bruh literally every football fan got a fav individual 😂😂
@@Mhmd59K well I’m from Europe, so how am I supposed to support my country in the Asian cup or afcon, same thing
@@Mhmd59K Really, bro?
Nobody can stop me to support Brazil, or France, or Spain, and Real Madrid, even when I'm not Brazilian/French/Spanish/Madrid citizen.
1)There was never a debate to begin with.
2)There was never a comparison to begin with.
3)The goat debate was invented by ESPN and the media.
4)Messi should have only be compared to Arjen Robben and Neymar.
5)Ronaldo is just a good goal scorer to be compared with Drogba, Tevez, Aguero, Suarez, Batistuta, Mbappe etc... That's the right comparison.
6)The greatest Ronaldo accomplishment was to be compared with Messi for 15 years.
7)The only HATE for Ronaldo is that he was too overrated for too long.
8)Stop using Messi in the same sentence with Ronaldo.
media lacks brain iq
Stop acting like messi is better than cr7 who never even played at the best league, and cr7 is more than a goal scorer lol
@@vfamily4396 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Ur exactly the kind of fans he's talking abt
Good work buddy
After Messi winning all the yt CR7 glazers will be calling the debate neutral and not hate watch. Ironic.
I’ll keep it simple, I’ve always been a CR7 fan and had him as a G.O.A.T, but ever since Messi won the World Cup he’s definitely the G.O.A.T but I’m still a CR7 supporter over Messi.
Just because Messi won the WC, that doesn't justify putting him above Cr7 objectively. Its after all, "just a trophy". So for anyone who Switches Goats because of a trophy, they probably never saw him as a GOAT. The things Ronaldo did in the 21/22 Season in the PL alone, were on of the reasons that cemented his Goat Status for me.
@@muhammed-yusuf959 you are beyond saving..
@@muhammed-yusuf959 bro… this is the World Cup we’re talking about; not the euros/copa america/olympics. The World Cup is the most prestigious and illustrious tournament to win in the football world.
@GuLawKnee Bro, you literally put the Euros in the same categories as Copa America and Olympics. In terms of Prestige the Euros is comparable to the WC but more competitive. And again, it's a tournement not an invidiual thing. Have you ever seen the ODDS of Portugal wining the Euros or Nations League? While Argentina was always a favourite. Looking at the impact they had on their country, Cr7 still excelled. Its like calling Mbappe the GOAT in future just because Haaland couldnt win internationally
😂😂😂😂
How on earth is the Euros comparable to the world cup??? How?????@muhammed-yusuf959
Messi is the GOAT. 8 ballon dors, 1 wc, 4 ucls and 6 golden boots.
2 golden World Cup ball and 2 Laureus Award Sportsman Of The Year 46 Titles 130 Individual Awards And 2 Copa Americas
A lot of robbing included, never played at best league EPL and always had the better team
@@vfamily4396dude still he scored around 26goals against top teams in EPL... Meanwhile pendu don't have that😂😂
He is but give respect to Cr7 let’s be humble Messi would pass the ball to cr7 any day
I see Messi as the GOAT, period.
Whether Ronaldo succeeds or not. I just rather see him losing than winning it makes me smile.
But again I dont mind him winning as well…
I see cr7 as the GOAT, period.
He simply dominated everywhere, even the hardest league EPL, won 2 trophies with a weak national team who is only good now.
Facts Messi is the goat
Ronaldo gets a lot of hate because of the way he conducts himself. He is a great player but is very arrogant and selfish on the pitch most of the time. Messi keeps to himself, doesn't throw shade at other players and never calls himself the best. Im not making a case for messi being the goat Im only explaining why ronaldo gets the hate that he gets. This also goes for other players that are arrogant and cocky. Messi gets hate because people think he is too introverted or not a leader. Also Argentinians dont hate on portugal because the reality is we dont have a rivalry with them at all.
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They'll never admit this reality bro but you're spitting facts
End of the day, just gotta admit cr7 is simply the better player, he dominated everywhere.
@@vfamily4396 sorry to say this, but your IQ might be below 80 if that's your conclusion.
It's not about the GOAT debate
It's about some dumb fans who cry Messi is FIFA's boy every time he wins something!
Where were these idiots before 2022?!?!
And I must say that it's hard to see people undermining Messi just for Ronaldo's sake and that instills hate towards Ronaldo indirectly
Its never going to change. Both fanbases are going to consistently want the other to fail as long as people still want to entertain the GOAT debate. That's fine, its called rivalry. You can't cheer for both because then you are accused of switching sides which proves why one player is better than the other. Blame Twitter, UA-cam, and other social medias for that.
once both retire , that's the end of it
Bro he doesn't know what he's say. Trash opinion even Messi and Ronaldo ain't friends and one always wants to be ahead. He's no real fan of any maybe just a football lover
@samplingmastersxlr8660 it won't end.. Pele and Maradona is still going on today
I was so happy, I even cried when Argentina won the World Cup. As a Ronaldo fan mind you, who I prefer. My family mocks the heck out of me for being a Madridista, because I like some of the Barca players. It’s so toxic
It’s part of football
I felt the same way when Argentina lost the 2016 Copa America
Ronaldo vs messi ❌ Ronaldo & Messi ✔
Messi>cr7
@@CodetreyPelé > Ronaldo, messi
@@victordk2874lol
@@victordk2874 Pele 8 ballon dor and ucl playmaker award most goal in a calendar year?
@@Codetrey ballon dor and ucl was not a thing that time your clown 🤡 players from South America stay there and played football who made football in South America 10x better than it is today… btw Ronaldo have every record in champions league like most goals, assist, knock-out goals, most goals in finals, most goals in a season but overall I still rate players like Pelè over Ronaldo and Messi
Tell that to the fanbase that hasn’t stop crying since December 2022.
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More like tell that to the fanbase who keeps acting like wc wasn't robbed with dived pens lol
@@captainfalconmain6576your gay bro your on all these Messi vs Ronaldo videos because yk that Ronaldo is the true goat. He lives rent free and pays the rent.
@@NewPatek_because it’s funny cr7 ain’t even top 3 of all time mess pele diago it’s a medie debate
Hard for people to be okay with two great athletes coexisting
it just reeks of insecurity. you never have to tear others down in order to uplift yourself.
Facts, me growing up loving football in all forms, from being most of the day playing it outside, playing it on PlayStation, watching live games on tv, going to the stadium to watch live games or watch live training sessions from my team( benfica), watching Barca just because was joyable to watch being Madridista... Football is that, love it as a whole.
It's the same with both Ronaldo and Messi, they will never be satisfied despite their success. Twitter is a menace. A lot of their drama queens are from more uncultured backgrounds
Exactly;
Uncultured backgrounds.
Messi is better. There is delusional people that think ronaldo is better. Messi is better like freaky out of world dribbling, chip shot, curling natural freekicks, humbleness, not diving, beating 3 to 4 defenders at once often, 8 ballondors.
Ronaldo is not even the number 2, 3 or 4 dribble of all time. Ronaldo cannot curl freekicks he uses power, his chip shots not even ok, not humble and dives, shelfish (blue tooth goal), he doesn't give penalties away. Messi cant help he is better footballer more gifted while ronaldo is more power and hard training. Ronaldo fans must except Messi is a better footballer and doesnt need to train like a freak.
Speaking Facts
See when Ronaldo fans see facts as to why messis better they're silent 😂😂
You still haven't mentioned the part where messi never even played at the best league, he always needed overpowered teams to perform, only 2019 he performed good with a not so good team. CR7 has proven himself everywhere, he always had worse teams than messi except 07-09 man utd. Messi fans always ignoring that part, cr7 simply worked so hard he became better than someone talented as messi.
@@vfamily4396 My friend Christiano plays with teams that dominated their leagues. He started at Man utd who was already winning league after league in the EPL. He went to REAL who was already winning league after league in LALIGA. He went to Juventus who was winning league after league in SERIA A. Juventus won 11 consecutive leagues before he went there. Meaning Christiano goes to best teams in their league at that time. So stop with different club nonsense.
@bsph6504 Real madrid was awful, they were nowhere to be seen in ucl for years till cr7 joined. Also, cr7 didn't join man utd at its best, arsenal was much better. He joined real madrid when barca won everything in existence. Only juventus makes sense, and if adapting to a new team and new league is so easy, why couldn't Messi do it in his 1st season in psg?
Cr7 always had weaker teams than Messi except 07-09 man utd and 2012 2017 2018 madrid.
Portugal was always miles worse than Argentina.
New penaldo fan coping mechanism dropped!!
Battle in social media been going since 2007, its never ending rivalry despite facts and statistics.
it’s bad when you want a team to lose more than you want your team to win
Just as you uploaded this, BBC Sports came up with "Mistiano Penaldo" a few days after. When the some of the big medias are this childish and braindead, what do you expect from the haters?!
Stfu. The goat debate was over when Messi was 23. The media debate was over after the world cup . There is nothing left , Messi is the best and by a distance.
he’s obviously a ronaldo fan just ignore him
@@captainfalconmain6576 nah ur just a delusional messi fan
Fr he’s from Portugal though so they gotta protect the camel
Ronaldo himself hate watches Messi lmao
True 😂
proof? no one watches argentina or inter miami except messi fans
@@Halamadrid2321 World watches it
Both of them have more attendance than most of Euros matches and Camel league
@@Vipul6190 delulu at it's finest
@@Halamadrid2321 it's the truth 😂 go and watch the attendance no argument left? 😂
Bro Goat debate was settled at last World Cup where Ronaldo had a greater chance of advancing than Messi
So Messi fans are content
He proved to those few who where not convinced that he is better than Ronaldo
Don’t get me wrong Ronaldo is a fantastic player
Again someone using Trophies as an GOAT indicator
Portugal had a better chance,not ronaldo..that man was in the bench for most of the game
Argentina with the BIGGEST unbeaten streak in the history of the sport, and you're gonna say portugal had a better chance than argentina 😂😂😂😂
Even individually messi is miles better@muhammed-yusuf959
Ronaldo fans started the hate watching tbf
very true, I never understood hate watching. I wouldn't trash talk Messi, he's an amazing player but for me CR7 is the goat (viva Portugal;i really hope we get far). I think people forget the goat in any sport or even music is very opinionated.
I'm really hoping Brazil wins Copa America, always going for the lusophone communities. we have to support each other lol.
The difference is when you talk objectively about who is better from recorded data and statistics. Numbers say messi is better. Obviously its subjective who is truly the best but when people go and try and deny who is objectively the best ever is when heated debates start. Its not a opinion its a fact that objectively messi is the greatest from numbers. Obviously stats aren’t anything but there the only objective way to measure.
@@JBholmes420 can't follow the crowd though. fan bases are very big and it's not fair to group everyone together. if I did that I would become one of those people who trash talk Messi because I do see Messi fans trash CR7 alot but I know that I can't treat all Messi's fans the same plus its not on Messi, Ronaldo or any famous figure to control their fans because its not possible unfortunately.
@@delta2370 that's true but I honestly see the stats as only a small part for fans, most fans support teams/players based on personal factors. so many teams wouldn't have such large strong fanbases if we went off stats alone. the goat conversation in many sports is a combination of stats/breaking records and also how well people connect to said player. I think that's the reason no sport has an undisputed goat, someone will always have another answer, which can be based on the era, country, etc.
@@kiara_monteiro yeah exactly. unless your talking about like track there will always be subjectivity involved.
@@delta2370I don't think stats really support Messi being better or Cr7 being better. I love for example using Goal Ratios throughout their whole career. However, since Ronaldo went from midfield to offensive, he has been more relentless in terms of goal scoring numbers and quality.
Don’t disrespect Luis Figo because you love Ronaldo…Figo was among the first generation of young Portuguese players to put Portugal on the map…Before CR7, there was Figo…
Bruh i personally do not care who people regard as their football goat but if u are an honest individual who enjoys this sport objectively and are mature enough to engage without trolling or being biased we gotta admit that Ronaldo has it worse then Messi.
Ever since he returned back to United and even prior to that there has been a blatant effort to diminish and disregard Ronaldo and his football.
From pundits openly and repeatedly expressing their dislike of him on their public platforms to officials almost utterly showcasing a personal unfavourable sentiment towards him.
While Messi has always been protected and pandered to irrespective of his unsportsmanlike behaviour on the field and even when he doesn’t deserve he gets the awards.
Again, u can hail Messi as Jesus himself and think he literally created the heavens and the earth but let’s be honest this goat debate has always been against Ronaldo and for Messi.
BROOOO IS 100% FACTS.
EVEN BIG FIFA NAMES FAVOURED MESSI MOCKING CR7 AS A CAPTAIN AND MESSI LIKE A FAVORITE SON WHO EVRRYONE LIKES ex fifa president said it on live tv LOL
Comes down to balon d or too, based of journalist who like someone more tha. The other not based on who actually plays better that 1 year.
Favoritism 100%
Straight facts 💯
Blue we don’t care bout their actions outside of the sport or their sportsmanship to determine who’s the best. Messi just better in pretty much every stat
@@Dbossdlm This kinda attitude is the reason why the hate never stops. Same can be said about Ronaldo. He is better in pretty much every stat.
FACTS!
“If someone is your goat, you don’t need someone to fail to prove your goat” AMEN
More mature football fans knew, that we've almost never seen GOAT debates back in our days. We enjoyed Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane, Maradona, and so on equally.
We might have our own "best", but we knew that it's just a personal, subjective choice. We'd never debate it with other people's choice.
Newer generations really love to force their world into 1 "sharp"(but it's dull in reality) conclusion: the greatEST, the MOST, etc.
I personally don't value Messi too much, just because I've seen what he did already when Maradona was around (he's my GOAT). So to me, while Messi is still one of the greatest of course, Maradona claimed that place in my heart first.
On the other hand, I've never seen a forward as clinical, as complete as Cristiano. Tap ins, long ranges, right foot, left foot, low ball, high ball, big space, small space... name it, he scored it.
you never had those debates before because there was no social media, the thing is that the greatest player ever has to be objective, theres no other way about it, people like you are a big part of the problem because you can't distinghuish the best player to your personal favourite player. Messi is objectively the goat
Starts very maturely and ends up doing the same thing. You funny man. 😂
@@osas5883 Debates exist long before social media, kiddo. So do forums, mailing list, discussion groups, and many other forms.
The term "greatest" in footballer is more like philosophical term, not physical (it's IMMEASURABLE). Actually, the nature that the topic is very NOT OBJECTIVE shows why there's debates, and no consensus whatsoever.
You're so confuse, that you're mixing up "the greatest XXXXX in the world" (has clear length/diameters/etc), with "the greatest footballer of all time", which never has no solid basis on how to measure it. Remember, footballer itself is a very loose term. It can be used by all players from all positions. To choose only one to be the greatest over all of those positions is IMPOSSIBLE.
But yes, you can worship any goat you want, of course. And defend him to every corner of the Earth also. To me, it's clear, there will never be universal goat. Not in the past, present, or future. NOT EVER!
@@Skyrus007 Have trouble at reading? What am I doing in the end exactly? I've said Messi is one of the greatest, but he can't replace Maradona as my GOAT.
Your problem? 🤔
@@CaraVerde Maybe you have trouble comprehending your own statement. You say back in the days you used to enjoy every other great equally and yet Maradona is your GOAT, yet you keep blabbling about how great Ronaldo is at tap ins. Again, you are actually funny.
Bad take. Just because you hate watch a player doesn’t mean you think your other player is any weaker. A person can know Messi is undisputed but still want to see Mbappe lose just because.
w opinion
There's never a debate Messi is just another level
it’s facts most real fans say messi
This guy talking about Messi fans wanting cr7 to fail but the biggest hate in sports history is cr7 fans calling a World Cup rigged.
You guys are the biggest disgrace to the sport of football , you tainted the football for the new generation.
“La pelota no se mancha” - Maradona
man those people are just mad that messi won that world cup
While this all started with the fans , Ronaldo and his family had quite a lot to contribute as well.
Had he been like Messi, never hate talking about the other guy, never liking and posting posts on Insta/twitter that directly or indirectly troll Messi ; people would never have a problem with him.
You gotta understand, that Ronaldo and his family are a huge problem themselves.
Look at Ronaldo's sister for example. How many times has she posted borderline insulting stuff on insta and Twitter targeting Messi ?!
His clan and fanbase derive the hate energy directly from him.
You're wrong on one big front.
Messi fans (most of them), do not want Ronaldo to fail because he threatens the Goat crown. No.
The Goat crown has no contender. It is Messi. Undisputed.
We don't hate Ronaldo to double check that.
We hate Ronaldo because he's just obnoxious. As great of a player he is, he has a truly obnoxious & narcissistic personality. No one likes a narcissist.
Not just Football. I see personalities like Ronaldo in other sports too. And I hate pretty much all of them.
Modric is a Madridista. I love him. I love Casillas, Ramos, James, Raul, Kroos,..
Talking about Portugal, I love most of their players.
Ronaldo and Pepe? I won't bother if they dropped dead on the field.
Similar personalities irrespective of how good they are..
Anthony bro you just changed my whole mind on sport debates. thank you.
THERE’s NO DEBATE ANYMORE , WE ARE IN 2024 🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely 💯
@@jameshamze
You didn't understand the point of the video. And yes there will be always the debate. Look the comparison between pele and maradona. that's an eternity debate.
You didn't understand the point of the video. And yes there will be always the debate. Look the comparison between pele and maradona. that's an eternity debate.
CR7 simply always the better one, dominated everywhere.
Fr Messi owns that camel
GREAT OPINION AND VIDEO LIKE ALWAYS SKILLZ. I agree with every point tbh, but I want to add something to the question “what went wrong” I believe that most people who discuss and slander Messi or ronaldo are either kids or newer football fans. All older people I know don’t argue like this.
Messi won the Copa America but Ronaldo didn't win his euro. The debate was over yrs ago and it just keeps getting solidified.
100 percent
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Messi didn't even do a thing in copa america lol, euros is 10x harder buddy and portugal is worse.
@@vfamily4396 wow still messi's international carrer>>>the entirety of portugal
@@malekith33 Nah, messi international career was full of choking until refs came to help with dived pens and handballs lol. In fact you tell me, if you rewatch the messi penalty against Netherlands, an Argentine player was in penalty box before messi even shot the ball, how was the penalty not disallowed?
Exactly, messi fans always ignoring the robbery and that cr7 had portugal which is 10x weaker. Bye, messi fans exposed, this youtube channel is rly good, glad to see it's making messi fans cry. Muted :)
Just wait until Portugal win the Euros and Argentina win the Copa America and then the Finalissima between them will decide who’s the GOAT
You're funny
There's nothing between
Messi is so far ahead
Mess already the GOAT one has World Cup the other doesn’t
Messi is and has always been the goat for anyone with a pair of eyes.
Argentina would smoke Portugal 😭
That doesn't make sense at all
How can people really compare CR7 with Messi? If you actually watch football you hardly can compare Messi with anyone... Maradona, Messi, Ronaldo (the better one R9), Ronaldinho all thoses are on a different league
This isn't even a debate now, used to be a debate up until the world cup, not anymore.
I love Ronaldo too, don't wan't him to suffer, but for sure I know who my GOAT is.
You just proved skillz’ point 🤣
@@sumeethvadlakonda8914lmao he just proved it to a TEE😂 these ppl will never learn
🤣🤣grow up I promise nobody cares who your goat is, ur just proving him right
You mention Ronaldo before mentioning your goat. Let that sink in for a second. 🤓
A robbed wc doesn't prove much tbh, with such team like argentina compared to portugal
Why u didn’t say it when the media and Ronaldo fans were caricaturing Messi for not winning anything with Argentina 🇦🇷
If portugal and Argentina win euruo and copa respectively we could see them play vs each other one last time
How many times should Messi beat Ronaldo?
there was a never a debate, the issue people keep comparing both because they try to stay relevant, messi is the goat, ronaldo imo is best scorer
@@FernandoGarcia-i9r facts
@FernandoGarcia-i9r definitely was a debate. You don't know what you're on about simple as that. imagine saying there wasn't a debate when we live in the technological age with one simple search I can find hundreds of videos, articles, podcasts, chat forums, etc, with people discussing the goat debate... it's coming off like you don't know what it means to have a debate.
AA is the true Goat. Most based and rational football fan on the planet. I can't escape from the brainrot of comparison between people but he is capable of separation.
The two greatest players in football history should be respected and everyone has the right to choose who their G.O.A.T is without hating on the other player. As far as I'm concerned Cristiano Ronaldo is the G.O.A.T and there's literally nothing anyone can say to make me change my mind or have any doubts about that 🗣️ SIUUUUU
The thing is yeah you can celebrate both but people comparing the two players is just not fair ronaldo is a great player one of the greats but he's not messi.
@@christophertragodara5093 and messi is not Maradona or Pele, he falls a bit short 😂
Typical penaldog doesn't care about the truth, only about his feelings 😂
@@christophertragodara5093 Ronaldo is not Messi, they're 2 amazing players but like I said for me Ronaldo is THE G.O.A.T
Never been a debate not ever since Messi touched the ball
Also saying Portugal were nothing b4 Ronaldo is crazy disrespectful to Figo Quaresma bro so many great players
Eusebio
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Blud can say whatever he wants but nobody hate watches Messi more than Ronaldo himself.
Dude, that's your opinion. If you're tired, go rest and leave it for us! Me, I unapologetically want a Cristiano team to lose every match they play.
Otumfour Kojo Agyemang
the debate is over for me messing goated
He doesn't seem to be neutral.He said Ronaldo suffered during his initial period but he forgot to tell that Ronaldo played in FC Porto which is Top 3 in Portugal, multiple times Portuguese league winners!
He said Ronaldo won in EPL , la Liga and Seria A. True.But did he play for Everton, Atalanta or Real Sociedad and won titles?
No.A big No! Cristiano played for Prime Man United with world class players Ronnie, Giggs, Rio, Carrick. He played in the most successful club Real Madrid with Bale, Benzema, Kaka, Modric,kroos,Ramos etc.Even in Serie A he played in serial league winner Juventus with world class players.
So Your point Cristiano is a "bechara" player conquered across Europe isn't valid much!
Don't hesitate to say you are a fan of Cristiano or Messi. No need to hide behind being neutral!
I totally agree with this take as it’s something I’ve been saying for years. If you personally think Messi is the goat then why even debate it? This goes to show a lot of “Messi fans” are really just Ronaldo haters because their favour for Messi is based of Ronaldo shortcomings instead of its being based on Messi greatness.
Lmao and “Ronaldo fans”
Ronaldo fans are the ones who talk more
@@MXSSIXFTBL literally
Singling out Messi fans just shows that you are part of the problem lol. We not gonna sit here and act like Ronaldo fans don't call everything that Messi won rigged. The fact is that both fan bases have toxic fans and it will never change.
why debate ronaldo is the goat then?
Portugal and Argentina are struggling countries, our journeys haven't been easy and both our peoples need and appreciate the joy and honor of having such examples, let's just enjoy the sheer talent, two gifts from our shores to the world.
Argentina struggling. On what?
@@elijah7616 nothing, all has been just peachy always... if one could just google it...
@@elijah7616 not now
As a. Messi fan I liked Ronaldo but since he started commenting and doing things to make him feel better and disrespect messi on his achievements e.g on insta I hate him now because messi always said good things about him and he is acting like a child
messi is a very nice guy
@@captainfalconmain6576 Nah, not really, he tried to choke ppl and cheats a lot
Just saying, close competition doesn't mean you cant think one of them is the goat, because as you said, its close, not even, which means one is better, which also means one is the goat. I agree with everything else except this weird point.
Since 18 December 2022 i just watch them both and i am relaxed man.I dont hate anyone expect toxic ronaldo fans man...
I mean ofcourse you're a messi fan you when you see t9xic messi fans you would turn a check vise versa for r9naldo fans. Which proves the point of this video that deep down people are hate without them noticing it l
a pessi fangirl talking about toxicity, embarrassing
@@blackmercury956 man ofcoursce i gonna hate them when they are toxic asf
@@qBodiThoughts on messi 2022 wc run?
@@Codetrey netflix even made a documentary how that wc was bought, everything about him screams fifa and refs
Most of the fans have forgotten that football is a team sport and neither Ronaldo nor Messi can face 11 players alone and score a single goal. Even if Ronaldo and Messi play to together as teammates they cant face 11 players and score. If Messi or Ronaldo score any goal they score it for the team and not for themselves. People are just forcing an unnecessary debate.
I grew up idolizing Ronaldo sense his Manchester United days. Never really cared for Messi. I think he’s phenomenal but he never did it for me and the same with majority of my friends growing up. Until this social media era came around where you had to love one and hate the other. It’s insane and it’s really the fault of the internet. Bc right now I can look back and I miss those days in the early 2010s were they were at their pick and I’m so glad they still here in 2024 still doing their thing, I have nothing but respect and admiration for BOTH!
Messi is better, but Ronaldo is the only guy that is deserved to be compared with Messi
None ofthis kumbaya talk when Messi was losing international trophies back to back , now that your countryman is proven to be below Messi you wanna talk peace and ignore the vitriol that Messi suffered at the hands of CR7 fanbase. From Messi FC no one even cares about CR7 , its always been from CR7 and Madrid fans . The truth do not need to be validated , you can have preference of style but numbers tell the truth on who is the GOAT, say that out loud .
i don’t even watch cr7 games i don’t even hate watch ronaldo i just don’t watch him at all i just like watching portgul but not ronaldo himself
3 questions for Ronaldo/Messi fans: 1. Are you the player?, 2. Are you friends with or have you met the player? 3. Have you seen the player in real life?. No ! So shut up, mind your own business and enjoy their final years!
Why is this still a debate? Messi clear cmon🐐
Sure buddy 😂😂
@@ItsRon91😭go watch a different sport buddy
@@DaveRyan-kn4rr go watch tennis white boy
@@ItsRon91 I’m not white lol🤣🤣 😭u still think Ronaldo is better in 2024. It shows you know nothing about football. So take your own advice and watch tennis “buddy” 🎾
@@DaveRyan-kn4rr buddy sounds more insecure than a female
It's true what he is saying, you don't 'need' to hatewatch the other guy if one guy is your GOAT, but whether or not you 'want' to hatewatch is another matter xd
Messi is the GOAT 🐐🐐
I’m a Barca fan and messi my goat. But I got nothing but respect for Ronaldo, I watched some many great battles cuz of these 2
I think Messi has a bigger fan base than Ronaldo in Europe
Absolutely fake
nah lol, maybe in media, but not in general
Messi is miles ahead of ronaldo as a football player. Who is the better goal scorer is the only argument. And messi is still the better goal scorer.
❤
Nah, cr7 is def miles ahead, no way you just said messi is better goal scorer lol, cr7 has higher goal ratio from 2009-2018 when they fought same competition.
@vfamily4396 messi more golden boots
@whereschavo3953 cr7 had higher goal ratio in Spain during that time, bye :)
@@vfamily4396 messi has more golden boots, bye, and has a higher career goals per minute, bye, has a better goal ratio in general, bye
Thankful for you 🤫
Do a reaction for Argentina vs Chile and see how the refs helped Messi’s team 😤 not checking the VAR is crazy
Kid how your uefa boy won the euros in 2016 by rigging cry harder
Rest😂
@@CRINNGE_X not checking VAR in 2024 is criminal
100% True.
I have to say this happens more on Messi fans side. You can see under every single Ronaldo related post so many hate messages.
you can see the exact same on messi posts? 😭
Its both ways, and saying its mostly one one side is the biggest lie ever told
Its the same on both sides bro. Anyone who tries to say it's one sided or happens more on one side is part of the problem. From what I've seen is that Messi fans will 'hate' on Ronaldo based on the things he hasn't won for example WC or saying Messi has more things like golden boots and things like that. On the other hand Ronaldo fans will say everything that Messi won is rigged and say things like Messi only did it in one league and things like that. At the end of the day it's those people that hate on the other person's success because they afraid of it taking away from the other players success. Unfortunately this will never change and this goes for all the sports.
@@NoooTheWall I did not say it's only Messi fans I said most. Bro Messi won World Cup every Messi fans said debate over. But still they are relentless when it comes to Cristiano Ronaldo.
@@nexesaj17 Thats why in my reply I said, "saying its mostly one side is the biggest lie ever told"
I think the GOAT debate should be settled by actually seeing who the better football player is. Hate aside, but anyone who watches football knows the answer.
100 percent your right
Messi is better objectively that’s it bro great video every metric says Messi best and eye test Messi is too ,cr7 is the second for me tho he’s phenomenal athlete,Messi just a phenomenal footballer player
Negreira😂
@@helzing5114bruh
Messi is 2nd after cr7 tbh, cr7 proved himself everywhere.
If I'm being honest there was no debate
What you mean was Messi always 100 miles up there
The video is stupid. Messi is the GOAT period. Just that simple. Done
ur dumb, you missed the whole point
Messi fans acting like messi is better is the funny part, never played at EPL and robbed a lot
We don’t want Ronaldo to fail but as a Messi fans we have been suffered in the past 7 years we won’t forget it at all
1:32 this is exactly why CR7 is not the GOAT. He always talks about Messi and most of the time in a negative way. He said that Saudi League is in the same level as Ligue 1 and is better than MLS (we all know why). He said that Ballon d'Or and The Best FIFA Football Awards "are losing credibility" (just beacuse Messi won them in recent years). Mocked Messi for losing Copa America in his own country in 2011. CR7 is simply the biggest Messi hater ever , just look at what his sister posts on her social media.
First of all...
You seem like a messi fan even keeping tabs on his sister lol
Fifa has lost alot of respect world wide so has the balon d or.
Its all based of journalist who vote.
They like messi bc how he carried himself not bc he actually plays well...
100% facts.
Now saudi league is indeed better than MLS
Rankings buddy. Look it up.
No1 watches MLS
Saudi is getting big bc so many big named are coming there. Not just bc of ronaldo...
Yes he mights influenced but lets be real lol ney? Cr7? Kante? Benz? List goes on.
Again thats your opinion but toy seem like a cheerleader defending messi lol
I agree in that sense if he feels that he’s better why so much insecurity when they mention him ?
That’s his sis’s post. No proof.
10:05 the hate comes from Cristiano Ronaldo himself. Laughing emojis about Messi's WC triumph , commenting "factos" , saying that he deserves more Ballon d'Or than Messi , saying that Golden Shoe is better individual award beacuse "it does not depend on votes". He said all of these against Messi but we get it , he knows deep down inside that Messi is just better than him. Messi never claimed to be the GOAT unlike Ronaldo,Maradona,Pele.
@@ivanguerrero8698 Here u are defending ur idol. Everything u said shows ur idol insecurities. "Fifa has lost respect" since Messi won the World Cup. Ballon d'Or used to be the most presitigous award in Football but now is just a "journalist vote". European Golden Shoe used to be most prestigious top scorer award BUT now has no value. "No one watches MLS" while ur idol plays in empty stadiums in Saudi League. Stop embarrassing urself.
Enjoy them while we still have the time....soon they be gone and we are going to missed them. Peace.
Messi fans want cristiano ronaldo and portugal to fail and also cristiano ronaldo fans want messi and argentina to fail end of story
Ngl my man. Butttt i always loved watching ronaldo. Im a messi die hard and i know a lot of messi fans who like ronaldo however they turned against ronaldo due to his fanbase. From what i noticed messi fans "not all" prefer messi due to a unique talent. However ronaldo has more PR and media involvement so he gained a lot of succes fans. Brainless kids ofc messi has them to but ronaldo is more influential on those areas. Which is fine but the fanbase is ruining it for a lot of fans tbh
@@robinspiekman9916 Ronalo honestly is just less likeable, i loved him before but in the last years he is just showing how much he hates that messi is better than him.
You'd be surprised to know the silent majority isn't one eyed...
Broo you have trust issue
My name is Ronaldo and love CR7 for real. Messi is fantastic and so Ronaldo. We create things that does not exist and we fight against who do not agree with us. That is the problem.
@@robinspiekman9916 There is nothing to enjoy about Ronaldo playing. If he doesn't score what else would you enjoy, be honest.
The truth is the debate has been settled.
You were not happy when Messi won the world cup watch your video back of messi winning you were in deep depression
He was tho,
he just wanted portugal to win more
But we’re do u see him hate Messi
Who wouldnt be sad after their country doesn’t win the World Cup , he never talked bad about Messi when he won it. I remember in one of his videos he was defending Argentina because of the whole rigged World Cup thing
You act like people can’t mature.
Bro he’s Portuguese
Such huge respect to you for this,u cant call yourself a true sports fan or anything if your gonna hate on messi or ronaldo just because,no man those people are so delusional,its like you said hate watch
The most hypocrisy is that they say Messi won the world cup.But they also say that Ronaldo didn't win the Euros as Football is a "Team Sport ".😂😂.what a disgrace of a fanbase lol.bunch of 12 year olds.
Ironic💀
It's funny how y'all started singing different song once Messi won the World Cup. You CR7 fans said Messi can't be in the goat discussion because he never won anything for his country after CR7 won the hero, now that he won the Copa and World Cup you are talking about enjoy both or the world cup was given to him. The disgrace fanbase is the one that really think a World Cup was organized just to be given to one person and your idol liking negative posts from his fan pages about Messi. Y'all hypocrisy is weird.
someone is still crying lmao
What youre saying is slightly true but eveeyone knows the ronaldo fanbase is the more toxic,childish and insecure
@@shuggfilmzandstudio2354THISSSSS!!! Messi was my goat before and after Ronaldo won the Euros. Is just funny that Messi fans wasn’t shouting rigged and all that when Portugal qualified as a 3rd place team and then winning with Ronaldo on the bench. When Ronaldo won it was the debates over etc but I understand why Messi fans react this way because they had to endure so much bs from CR fans for years. And this is coming from a guy who’s favourite player isn’t even Messi, as a midfielder I idolized Iniesta maybe some may say I’m a bit bias as he was iniestas teammate but I just prefer the way that football and they both played. Team accomplishments don’t determine how good a player really is.
Speaking facts
Your football knowledge, experience and reactions is top tier
Messi is the GOAT 🐐.
Penaldo fans still trying to keep Penaldo in the GOAT debate. Penaldo was out of the debate after leaving Madrid😂.
yep 😂
Nope not 😂😆
What is that robbed wc trophy doing on ur profile? dived pens, argentina player in penalty box before messi even shot his penalty against netherlands but penalty not disallowed, handball by messi and more.
Hate watch is just a thing from Twitter tbh
Several problems with the GOAT debate.
Messilovers, fans and media, are the biggest problem. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Messi at anything, ever.
Messi winning the WC supposedly finished the debate because Messi completed football ⚽. Those of us who watched the WC saw FIFA and Qatar gift Messi the WC, just like they gifted Messi his last 3 Balon d'Or for simply picking his nose.
That said, Messi is one of the GOATs, just like CR7. Their rivalry is the GOAT of all rivalries in the history of sport, and likely in all of human history.
Look at the record books, and there is a clear delineation of Before Ronaldo & Messi, and After Ronaldo & Messi.
But ⚽ is made up of more than stats and records, and so the Pantheon of GOATs is lined with dozens of football gods and demi-gods. Each one with a chappel of their own.
The debate isn't over yet. Both GOATs are still playing, still scoring, still breaking records, still winning trophies.
When all is said and done, Messi will likely go down as the best player of all time, and Ronaldo will go down as the greatest player of all time. BOAT & GOAT sharing the biggest, newest, most impressive temple in the Pantheon of Football.
Ask me my GOAT, and it's Cristiano Ronaldo. I admit, I do like to see sad Messi cry, but I'll never deny his extreme talent as a player.
Something you'll never hear from the Messilovers. Their brains will never grow big enough to understand.
Messi is the better footballer it's that simple it should never be more than thst
@@fuhadakindele9294 Thanks for proving my point.
Why u acting as if he only scored penalties in WC and did nothing. If we exclude penalties he still would have had three goals and three assists. His performance was incredible , everyone would admit it beside CR7 fans. Nobody complained when CR7 had three penalties in four games in EURO 2020. FIFA invented "Special award" for CR7 but somehow they force us to believe that FIFA is against him lol.
Messi was the goat before the World Cup 😂😂 you really think just because Messi won one cup puts him over Ronaldo 😂😂 he’s been better honestly
No hate on Ronaldo btw I already know your gonna take what i said completely wrong
Growing up, I did not really like football or any sport. I vividly remember the day I fell in love with the sport. It was the 2011 Barcelona vs. Manchester United game. I remember watching Messi glide down the field, and it honestly looked like art to me. Even though I love Messi, I also love watching Ronaldo play because he is also an artist in the field, but any time I say this, I get killed for liking both and not hating one
Who cares if you like both you do truth be told I once told a friend it would be an injustice to football for messi or ronaldo to fail to win a wc it's just sad they didn't get more major titles I like messi more but I don't watch Saudi league to see ronaldo fail i think he just need to relax and enjoy the game to bad though ppl will always have that just enjoy the players you liked im actually hoping portugal wins the euros normally I don't care about the euros but this year I rooting for these guys
@@trx3696why to relax .
U chill first Ronnie knows what he wants
I swear the majority of them are Messi fans I don't know why they hate Ronaldo this much, I mean I think Ronaldo is the goat but I still love Messi and like to watching him doing well
His fans dude.
I think it’s the other way round
Everyone hates Penaldo since he is arrogant and selfish. Even his own teammates hate him and that’s why he was benched by Portugal making him the BOAT (Benched of All Time). Hahahahaha
@@jamiejackson1185You are proving his point
@@ikramshahar44 I'm telling you 😂
Goat debate is over after 18 dec 2022
I like how he made this vid after people are hating on ronaldo, but after the world cup where every ronaldo fan was calling it rigged, he was silent
Some ronaldo fans not every
@@Golazo.f7 now it’s also some messi fans not every
So youre telling me the football coaches and players that said it are also ronaldo fans? 😂😂😂. I dont say messi didnt deserv the world cup here but just a repley to your comment
Messi deserved the world up
But did they win it fairly without help? Ofc not
Did he deserve that balon d or?
Ofc not
Does he deserve being named in this year balon d or if he wins the copa america OFC NOT
Ronaldo has never been a flop in any league.
Man U. didn't like him.
He did great plays team sucked b4 him
And now too
Juve how many goals did he score? Real?
Saudi? Done it all
Chamo everywhere he goes.
Portugal? Not a debate.
Messi is great no cap
But we seen a messi (MARADONA)
WE AINT EVER SEEN A RONALDO who scores with a left
Right
Head
Dribbled like him
Speed
Height in jumps
Come on.
LOL
Only thing messi has over him is the passing maybe THAT IS IT.
This video was made for fans like you