i have a room which is always cold aka my bedroom so i just put a computer in there now it feels like 20 and somtimes 25 depends if i play demanding games it also always good to play with the case off
I cant stand Linus. All his videos have technology that the average consumer can not afford. He is cocky and arrogant. It shows in his age. He used to to be good at NCIX but now.... Phil is the best. He explains everything I feel he knows more about computers than Linus.
@@Lovesthaduckie Welp, it clearly seems like your dislike of Linus is not substantiated enough. His videos are pretty well made and at the end of the day I don't care if I can afford the tech he showcases since I learn a great bit from watching them and they are just plain fun to watch anyway. Pretty much seems like you don't like his personality and I can understand that he is not to everyone's tastes with regards to that.
id be happy if atleast the biggest of titles had multigpu support atleast. rdr2, CP2077, the COD br, stuff like that. i understand the smaller titles not having support i guess. but does it really cost THAT much to include support on those billion dollar games?
@@skoopsro7656 developers would have to burn through hours of work, just to code and add bugfixes for those 2% of people who are actually using two gpu's
"We were looking at $800 just for the two graphics cards" Now $800 won't even buy you one of Nvidia's flagship, while people's purchasing power has remained pretty flat
Actually if you're considering sli computer prices stayed fairly flat. Sli is pointless these days and the flagships are $600-$700. This is where the value end of high end has been for a long time. Products like the 3090 or 6900XT are dumb, those literally only exist for the companies to compete in charts and so people with more money than sense have something to buy. 6800XT and 3080 are the actual top of the high end consumer gpus. Now the 3080Ti is going to come in and that'll actually be a consumer gpu, but at that price point it'll still probably not make a ton of sense. If you're the type of person to buy top end you need to upgrade every gen or at least every other gen to stay at the top end, generational performance increases of 30-50% are still fairly normal in the GPU market.
Nvidia 3080 about $800 dude. Now these days one gpu powerful then two gpu back then. Nvidia NVlink is a thing like Sli but only for there top teir card such as nvidia 3090.
I did a build in 08 with 2x 280s, had them on an evga nforce 780i board with a Q9550. Was going to go 3 way sli but never ended up saving for the third card. Was a monster system back then though, PS3 and 360 were like toys in comparison
I ran dual GTX 285s in SLI back in the day, and I can tell you that it wasn't all roses. Some games ran a lot faster, sure, but there were neverending problems with game compatibility, and microstutter was ever-present. The experience of putting up with that for years made me swear off ever using SLI again. After one of the 285s failed, they sent me a GTX 295 as a warranty replacement, which was a dual-gpu single card running in SLI with itself, and it had all the same problems as the dual 285s did.
Lol I just got my dual 1080 sli setup. Everyone said sli was dead, but I'm glad I didn't listen. It's absolutely amazing, especially for me since I love overclocking and benchmarking.
Thank you. A single GTX285 was able to run Crysis in full HD at nearly 60 Fps. Your benchmark show how insane the SLI was : 90°c, 80% fan speed, and this game does not scale very well. I admit the GTX285 was a dream card, very expensive but also the most powerful back in 2009 alongside the HD4890 Atomic Edition.
I would like to say thank you for posting the usb driver on your website thats where i found it ,i was working on a dell optiplex g1 with windows 98 and needed my usb stick to work ,i was having a hella time getting it to work untill i found your website with the driver thanks again and have a great day
Great videos as always that satisfy my retro needs! This was my dream as a kid and never got to live it or see it actually being used. Thank you for this. It satisfies my heart watching you work the SLI on these old flagships!
I can't help but feeling that once you move into this era of games, you may as well just run it on a modern system. All these games run fine on a modern PC, and they'll run much better, with higher settings, smoother fps etc.
Some games were not rereleased, are not available on GOG and require mods to work because newer Windows 10 releases have broken Windows 7 and XP backward compatibility.
In fallout 3 you can use console commands to clip through walls or just warp to another location. You can also just download saves online. Better yet play New Vegas. It has basically the same engine but it takes all of 5 minutes to get outside with no fuss. www.ign.com/wikis/fallout-3/PC_Console_Cheats fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_3_cell_ID
I had a 2-way GTX 285 SLI setup back in the day. It was great, as long as games were properly supported, but nvidia's SLI support was always wonky. Still have those cards somewhere in my basement, along with an 9800GX2 they replaced.
Its rare now to find them like that last card I had like that was a sapphire toxic radeon 6950 with a dude dressed like an assassin from assassins creed
Between you and ETA Prime i setup my main pc as a retro pc.It's way overkill but my sisters hard drive blew so my old amd doesn't have a hard drive at the moment.My friend came over last week and we jammed some mame games.I am hooked again cause i grew up with those games.I have been busy whole day setting up and sorting stuff out.
Thank you for including Far Cry 2 and also Mafia 2, some of my all time favourites! I can only imagine how loud these cards were under full load and over 3,000 RPM :-D
Had 2x275 in SLI for a bit, as a retro rig. Felt pretty impressive. Until I've compared performance to an HD7950... Needless to say, that oven was disassembled shortly after.
The Stalker trilogy are my all time favourite games still playing it today on my old Precision M6300 17" WUXGA laptop (2007) plays perfectly and looks brilliant, great vid, cheers.
I used to run 2x GTX 285 together with a really overclocked Core 2 Quad and 4 Raptor disks in raid 0. What a beast that machine was. Since I had an unsupported motherboard I used the hypersli tool found at techpowerup, never had any issues with that.
High end cars is a no go just for the noise and heat/power, exept for the older stuff when that wasn't a issue. Still nice to see what these beasts can do, great video!!
Ran sli 280's for a couple of years. Was pretty painless really and they never got that hot. The trick is to keep as much space between the cards as possible and have a fan blowing in between them. Back then cases with a side fan were popular and I had one with a huge 200mm in the side panel.
Great video, one thing I did back in the day around this era was use a dedicated card for Phsyx too, that would be fun! In the day I had multiple GTX 260's, including the core 216, I then treated myself to the GTX295 when it debuted, and ultimately ended up using two GTX260 core 216 double memory editions for 1792mb each, it was a beast of a setup!
This GPU is $40-$60 on Ebay..I bought a 780 Ti (I recommend you give a go) for $80..I do Cad/3D work and needed something that could handle it and allow me to do decent gaming from time to time..my biggest attraction to it was the 2880 cuda cores it possess (significant for what I'm using it for)..it doesn't really start getting passed up until about the Titan black and Titan X..which are followed by the GTX 1080 Ti..but up until then it's really knocking out a lot of GPU's prior.. For the price and performance..It's an absolute beast..has no problems running GTA and Warzone Max setting while holding over 60fps in the most demanding areas in the games.. I'm going to get another one for SLI set up and see what it can do..
On older boards the memory slot arrangement for dual channel as not yet standardized. It may look wrong from a modern perspective, but that doesn't mean it is. If you have no manual, it's simply trial and error, you only need a maximum of 2 attempts to get it right after all.
First I've seen of socket AM3 platform gaming performance. FX-6300 gets plenty good marks over on Amazon.com. I'm on AM4 so this was a good demo for me. "The Talos Principle" brings a 2GB GT-640 to its knees at 13-15 fps. Definitely need to put the "X" in "GT" for many a FPS.
I used to own a motherboard like that one :) Incredibly solid. I ran an AMD FX-8120 with 16GB of memory, clocked to 4.3 GHz on the CPU, and 1866 MHz on the memory, with a 9-10-9-27 timing setup
Didn't really need to give both cards 16x speed, they won't use anywhere near that much bandwidth, however it was nice so that we could see they weren't being held back.
I had GTX 280's in SLI on release. 285 was a refresh cash grab, barely any improvement. My 280's still couldn't come close to running Crysis maxed out at my monitors native res (1920x1200). They also struggled a little with TES Oblivion. Good times.
to get outside in fallout3 , open the console and type "COC 00003A35" without quotes, to teleport to Moriarty's saloon in megaton from there you should be able to simply walk outside and explore, you can also type TGM to turn on god mode. and TCL to enable noclip, you can ALSO try TCAI to turn off combat AI... if you cannot access the console you need to edit the fallout_prefs.ini and make sure the line bAllowConsole=1 is there. the fallout_prefs.ini should be in your documents/mygames/fallout3 folder.
Phil, amazing work you done there, truly exceptional video! I also have just finished building during the weekend my "new" retro PC consisting of: 2600k and 2 GTX285 in SLI! It is a PC I dreamed building it back in 2011 but could not afford it back then and the CPU does not hold back the video cards!
@@philscomputerlab I am using Asus P8P67 deluxe that I bought together with the CPU and 4gb of ram - later upgraded to 16gb - back on Sandy Bridge launch day in January 2011 out of my first salary.
I found even with my FX8350 it would max out at ~70-80% but GPU usage would also never get to 100% no matter what resolution or settings I had in games. It's down to delay between cores sharing resources. Open a game, open task manager, find the process and set affinity manually. Choose every second core (1,3,5,7 OR 0,2,4,6). It makes the FX use 1 core from each of the 4 modules and eliminates any resource sharing issues.
Intel Fan boys: "FX series was horrible!" PhilsComputerLab: "So It can handle 3-way SLI and I just started plugging in GPU's paired with my 30 dollar FX cpu powered by this Aliexpress Flux Capacitor"
As for the codemasters games, there are issues with the grid and dirt series where it doesnt properly assign threads to the right cores on amd systems, or incorrectly switches to single or dualcore thread scheduling. You can manually fix this in the correct XML files, but it takes quite a bit of work. Really sloppy that they didn't include proper profiles for the FX series and never fixed this issue.
The good ole' days .... I use to run 2 BFG GTS 250s in SLI on a MSI 750i SLI mobo until the board shorted out & took out both cards ! MSI would not help out either , saying it was an OEM motherboard . Talk about being pissed off !! Got a Evga 780i 3-Way SLI mobo , an o/clocked Q9550 & 3 Evga GTX 470s in SLI . Now that kept you nice & warm during the winter months ....
I had a Xeon E5450 with the pin swap mod in an EVGA nForce 790i SLI FTW board (accepts DDR3 ram) with 8 GB of g.Skill DDR3 1600 MHz sticks. Had the FSB clock up at 466 MHz (1864 effective) getting the CPU to just shy of 4.2 GHz on water cooling. Paired with a GTX 295 it was pretty capable at the time. Now I want to put it back together and find another GTX 295 to add with the other and see what happens with my old games.
Do we have to get double? Btw I got pci 8400 gs for around 20 $. That will increase the performance of agp board. Agp graphics card is way more expensive. The seller sells those quite understandable prices. Mx 4000 was about double the price, and I chose 8600 gs, i.e. g210. I have 4 of them now. As you said I do not pursuit but those are likely to follow me. But all of them are uniquely different variants of g210.
I'll be interested in seeing a video on getting the SLI patches to work, I'm interested in trying to get it going on my P5Q Pro so I can start comparing Crossfire vs SLI vs single card from a bunch of GPU generations. Edit: Also, for FO3 the terminal you're looking at right at 11:18 contains an option to open a secret passageway that allows you to escape the Overseers office. :) If you need the terminal password, it's inside a nearby container. For future reference with Fallout games if you're ever stuck somewhere, search around for a terminal or container as that'll usually point the way or give you a required pw/key to open a door or something. Also IMO, I'd try to grab a save from right before the final mission where the BoS with Liberty Prime is fighting the Enclave and make your "benchmark" just playing through that part of the game as it's one of the heaviest bits of gameplay in FO3 and would even manage to put a reasonable load on a monster GPU setup such as this.
I like this sort of era of hardware as it's easier to find more parts. Looks like heaps of options to change up the system as well. Was cool to see how the SLI changes the game performance! Very cool!
this takes me back had gtx280 x2 and fx 8120 in a msi 990fxa gd65 motherboard really enjoyed that setup but despite my sentiment for the fx chips would have to agree that cpu is holding the cards back as i could never get 3dmark scores comparable to other gtx280 even at factory clocks
you need socket 1155 or newer to really take advantage of even 200 series in SLI. AM3 stuff is way to slow. I had fully bought into that platform around all the bulldozer hype back in the day and quickly jump ship to sandy bridge after it flopped. never looked back. the performance gains were incredible. Still have my gigabyte 990fx UD7 board around for benchmarking. I have more 200 series cards than any other generation, able to achieve 90%+ scaling in many tests on intel platforms.
For Fallout 3 you may need to cap the framerate to 60. The game engine itself bugs out with FPS beyond 60 sometimes so that may be causing you to be unable to exit the starting area.
I really enjoyed this video! My only experience with SLI was with two GTX 460s. You should check that card out. I remember getting good performance out of it even without SLI. I was using mine with a 2600K CPU so the GTX 460 might have been a bit outdated by then but still awesome. They were very good for the price at the time.
I'm mulling over trying something similar to this in an X58 mATX build I'm working on. Basically dual HD6950s in crossfire with an OC'd X5675 with DDR#-2400 ram. But that would mean giving up any hardware accelerated audio, so, yeah... Sticking with the Sapphire R9-280X Toxic edition I just got for now (if I can get XP to support it)
Bioshock has an Audio Glitch that is linked to the X Box Controller & has something to do with the Mic Port on it. If you have a Microphone & plug it in before Launching the Game it should Make the Sound Re Appear.
Imagine if you could still purchase 2 flagship house for $800. I remember buying a 3 gb gtx 580. After my direct cu ii. Both were about $550. I miss those days. We've been hoodwinked. But people love bragging and love buying things they can't afford.
Definitely use Bioshock in more Windows XP tests. Yeah, it's a little quirky, but it's very scalable! It's also one of the last games, if not THE last with EAX support. (Version 5.0) It's an audio-visual treat for the time, and has an excellent story. My all time favorite game!
@@TheBig451 and you do realize that us, retro enthusiasts, don’t really care about that? A few days ago I was using a 486 PC, for cryin’ out loud ! Let me guess, a Ryzen 9 5900X would be better, right? :)) Playing with any kind of hardware regardless of performance is what we do.
I have a 9950 because I happened to find a "New Old Stock" one last year, sealed in its original box. That, combined with the fact that C2Qs are far more common and therefore kinda boring to me, is why I got a Phenom 9950. I like uncommon and "New Old Stock" retro things in particular.
Great content as usual. Still longing for the day when I have proper systems for older OSes. Still hoping to play some games I have on floppy and cd again.
A Xeon x3440 or X3450 on an LGA 1156 mainboard with proper SLI support may also yield better results. Not only that, they are easy to overclock with enough cooling.
Nice video. I love AM3 platform videos. I think that maybe the FX 8350 (4.0Ghz without turbo) would give you the need of IPC that you missed for this SLI project. Thanks a lot for retrieving tuesday videos 👍
I had my dream pc back then. I7 920 oc to 4.4 ghz on a Asus rampage 2 extreme and gtx 285 in 3 way sli. Today sli is sadly a dead left over from the past. Yeah I miss SLI.
I was on Asus GTX 275 SLI and a i7 920OC'ed for the longest time before upgrading a GTX 970. Thats a huge jump! The 285's should still be plenty powerful just limited in newer features.
SLI was kind of glitchy with multi-card setups. Best "SLI" product I ever used was GTX590 which is one of the best graphics cards I ever bought in the long run (for one it was *stable* and wiped the floors with the competition). Before that I used triple-SLI with 8800GTX cards and had to use water cooling for the cards with a serious radiator and pump or the system just cooked itself up no matter what kind of ventilation was used inside a closed case. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was one of the games that worked with it. SLI was really meant for 2560x1600 back in the days together with 30" monitor.
I ran 2 x GTX 295's in quad SLI with an i7-920/930 (and later an i7-7700K) for years. With the 930, the CPU was bottlenecking the cards whereby I gained more from overclocking the CPU rather than the GPU's. I can remember the computer store owner when I bought my cards... "yeah, I want 2 of those Gigabyte 295's please"... "You want what???" ..."2 of 'em please"... "Are you sure???"... "Yeah, 2 of 'em please"
How does the coil whine in SLI sound? Definitely enjoyed the previous coil whine video. Always fun to see setups like this. At the time I had a Q6600 w/ GTX 260 (216) setup and then later picked up another GTX 260 (216) for some SLI goodness at the time!
Fallout 3 is a Great Game but the first 10-20 minutes is like pulling teeth. Not that hard just annoying. So I always Save near the exit & Start from there. You have to sneak into Amata's Room & steal her Dads Passcode from the Dresser. Than make your way to the Overseers Office use the Computer to open the Hatch (you should have the Passcode now) Try not to be seen by Amatas Dad (the Overseer) if you can.
You should've tested with various clocks/power limits in MSI Afterburner. There's a power limiter and temperature limiter. Each 1C limit = 1% power. Maybe good video idea for comparing stock performance/temps versus stock, maybe 85C? And you can (probably know) create a custom fan profile. I sometimes limit my R9 290 to 80C idle, 85C (-10% power) to 95C (stock power) during gaming (physical switch for performance). For Windows 7 and below, don't forget to use WSUS Offline Update (among other important frameworks, plugins, and software on USB before install).
10:55 In Fallout 3, you have to unlock the escape route from the Overseer's terminal in the Overseer's office. You should end up in a tunnel bringing you to the Utility Room and from there you will open out the Vault 101 entrance and leave into the DC Wasteland.
The only time I ever used GPUs in tandem was two ex-display R7 250X 2GB Crossfire'd because I spent way too much on the Intel 4790K I had no budget left for a decent graphics card, it was stupid because it bottlenecked such a brilliant CPU, most of the time I couldn't even get Crossfire working and when I did the performance boost was negligible (I think the second slot on the motherboard was only wired for 4x), it could barely run Saints Row the Third and Skyrim, two games I was really into back then. I upgraded to a GTX 1070 OC a year or two later and it was like night and day. Still using the same CPU with a far better motherboard while swapping out the graphics card every couple of years and it still does everything I want it to.
Such an SLI rig would be better served with something like a 2500k OCed to as close to 5 Ghz as possible as many of these games are very single thread heavy, apart from Crysis also definitely Stalker (tested with FX 8350, so even slightly faster cpu than the one in this video and one thread is pegged to the max all the time) and probably several others.
I specifically remember the pc port of Bioshock having this "no audio" issue, and the solution was something stupid like plugging in a microphone. I'm Serious....
Perfect! A great way to heat my house this coming winter.
Just wait when the 400 series comes out. I heard they can heat the whole neighbourhood.
@@jangelelcangry goody goody gumdrops!
i have a room which is always cold aka my bedroom so i just put a computer in there now it feels like 20 and somtimes 25 depends if i play demanding games it also always good to play with the case off
lol
@@jangelelcangry here you go, 480's in quad SLI: ua-cam.com/video/7V13ZGIZgYY/v-deo.html
Linus Tech Tips: oMg rTX 3090 sLI
PhilsComputerLab: TODAY WE DOING GTX 285 SLI!
I cant stand Linus. All his videos have technology that the average consumer can not afford. He is cocky and arrogant. It shows in his age. He used to to be good at NCIX but now....
Phil is the best. He explains everything I feel he knows more about computers than Linus.
@@Lovesthaduckie Welp, it clearly seems like your dislike of Linus is not substantiated enough. His videos are pretty well made and at the end of the day I don't care if I can afford the tech he showcases since I learn a great bit from watching them and they are just plain fun to watch anyway. Pretty much seems like you don't like his personality and I can understand that he is not to everyone's tastes with regards to that.
@@Lovesthaduckie so you want Linus to only test boring cards like gt 710???
@@gusion9367 test equipment once in a while people can afford. Not something that is not going to cost someone a years salary
🤔 Does Charlie Brown's best friend do have a Tech Tips Channel, I wonder if UA-cam pays him with Peanuts 😉
Imagine if modern GPUs and games were good at GPU scaling.
It would be nice
Imagine a 3500$ PC with a nice SLI setup and with a nice i3-10100 for a cpu....
Imagine if your momma pays the electricity bill
id be happy if atleast the biggest of titles had multigpu support atleast. rdr2, CP2077, the COD br, stuff like that. i understand the smaller titles not having support i guess. but does it really cost THAT much to include support on those billion dollar games?
@@skoopsro7656 developers would have to burn through hours of work, just to code and add bugfixes for those 2% of people who are actually using two gpu's
"We were looking at $800 just for the two graphics cards"
Now $800 won't even buy you one of Nvidia's flagship, while people's purchasing power has remained pretty flat
bUt wiTh InFlAtIoN $800 bAcK tHeN wAs $100,0000,0000,000,0000000000
@@VarietyGamerChannel 800 USD in 2009 is about 970 USD in 2020
Actually if you're considering sli computer prices stayed fairly flat. Sli is pointless these days and the flagships are $600-$700. This is where the value end of high end has been for a long time. Products like the 3090 or 6900XT are dumb, those literally only exist for the companies to compete in charts and so people with more money than sense have something to buy. 6800XT and 3080 are the actual top of the high end consumer gpus. Now the 3080Ti is going to come in and that'll actually be a consumer gpu, but at that price point it'll still probably not make a ton of sense. If you're the type of person to buy top end you need to upgrade every gen or at least every other gen to stay at the top end, generational performance increases of 30-50% are still fairly normal in the GPU market.
Nvidia 3080 about $800 dude. Now these days one gpu powerful then two gpu back then. Nvidia NVlink is a thing like Sli but only for there top teir card such as nvidia 3090.
$800 for a graphicscard back in the late 80ies would have been cheap.
A graphicscard like the Radius Rocket was $3500 back then.
I did a build in 08 with 2x 280s, had them on an evga nforce 780i board with a Q9550. Was going to go 3 way sli but never ended up saving for the third card. Was a monster system back then though, PS3 and 360 were like toys in comparison
*GeForce GTX 285 SLI*
Cyberpunk 2077: "Now this is an Avengers level threat"
I ran dual GTX 285s in SLI back in the day, and I can tell you that it wasn't all roses. Some games ran a lot faster, sure, but there were neverending problems with game compatibility, and microstutter was ever-present. The experience of putting up with that for years made me swear off ever using SLI again. After one of the 285s failed, they sent me a GTX 295 as a warranty replacement, which was a dual-gpu single card running in SLI with itself, and it had all the same problems as the dual 285s did.
Coil whine in SLI, damn....
"90 plus gold" PSU XD
Hehe I know :D
@@philscomputerlab is it even a real spec, or just a sales pitch to sell the PSU's?
@@scottstamm7022 Yea it's just fake marketing
If it's from China than it's actually 70+ lol
@@dhgodzilla1 not sure is it 70+ seems to high for china product.
1600 Watt random Chinese PSU - "Yep, it's sketchy but it's fine"....
Lol I just got my dual 1080 sli setup. Everyone said sli was dead, but I'm glad I didn't listen. It's absolutely amazing, especially for me since I love overclocking and benchmarking.
Thank you. A single GTX285 was able to run Crysis in full HD at nearly 60 Fps. Your benchmark show how insane the SLI was : 90°c, 80% fan speed, and this game does not scale very well.
I admit the GTX285 was a dream card, very expensive but also the most powerful back in 2009 alongside the HD4890 Atomic Edition.
I would like to say thank you for posting the usb driver on your website thats where i found it ,i was working on a dell optiplex g1 with windows 98 and needed my usb stick to work ,i was having a hella time getting it to work untill i found your website with the driver thanks again and have a great day
oh boy we have lived enough to see windows 7 become retro
Great videos as always that satisfy my retro needs! This was my dream as a kid and never got to live it or see it actually being used. Thank you for this. It satisfies my heart watching you work the SLI on these old flagships!
I can't help but feeling that once you move into this era of games, you may as well just run it on a modern system. All these games run fine on a modern PC, and they'll run much better, with higher settings, smoother fps etc.
i feel the same
Some games were not rereleased, are not available on GOG and require mods to work because newer Windows 10 releases have broken Windows 7 and XP backward compatibility.
In fallout 3 you can use console commands to clip through walls or just warp to another location. You can also just download saves online. Better yet play New Vegas. It has basically the same engine but it takes all of 5 minutes to get outside with no fuss.
www.ign.com/wikis/fallout-3/PC_Console_Cheats
fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_3_cell_ID
New Vegas is the Best Fallout. Very enjoyable & you can Mod the hell out of the game to make the Graphics better & add weapons & armor ect
@@dhgodzilla1 New Vegas is only the best Fallout if you're a fucking noob that can't get into Fallout 2.
New Vegas would freeze constantly for me
I had a 2-way GTX 285 SLI setup back in the day. It was great, as long as games were properly supported, but nvidia's SLI support was always wonky. Still have those cards somewhere in my basement, along with an 9800GX2 they replaced.
Oh my, I remember when graphics card had edgy game characters on them😂
They still do. Look for Waifu 5700xt
Its rare now to find them like that last card I had like that was a sapphire toxic radeon 6950 with a dude dressed like an assassin from assassins creed
Those are treasures for cultured men. Just like that one of japanese car modification genre
I remember even the shitty gt520 from our family pc in 2009 had that
I had this setup early 2009. Definitely only needed the 1, but indeed my room was mega toasty. EVGA ftw
Cool)) I would also like to see the Witcher 2, GTA 4 and GTA5))) Like!
he would probably need more than the fx 6300 though in newer games to fully take advantage of an SLI setup
@@yotoprules9361 maybe
Between you and ETA Prime i setup my main pc as a retro pc.It's way overkill but my sisters hard drive blew so my old amd doesn't have a hard drive at the moment.My friend came over last week and we jammed some mame games.I am hooked again cause i grew up with those games.I have been busy whole day setting up and sorting stuff out.
Thank you for including Far Cry 2 and also Mafia 2, some of my all time favourites! I can only imagine how loud these cards were under full load and over 3,000 RPM :-D
Definitely should repaste those cards, and if you can delid them, sand down the bottom of the IHS, and use either Thermogrizzly Kryonaut or Carbonaut.
That thermal solution (sand paper, Thermalgrizzly etc.) would be more expensive than card itself, lol.
Every other PC hardware channel: RX 6900XT VS RTX 3090!!!
PhilsComputerLab: GTX 285 sli?
and yet its phils that i click on
Erh it's a retro HW channel... U new?
@@dallesamllhals9161 It's a joke
@@BenWillock Then why isn't it funny...just makes you sound like a stupid bruh 😂
@@dallesamllhals9161 Maybe it's not funny to you because you're a dumbass with no sense of humour, you ever consider that?
Wow this remind me of my old SLI setup... GTX 260 216 edition in SLI on my Abit FP-IN9 SLI and Q6600
Had 2x275 in SLI for a bit, as a retro rig. Felt pretty impressive. Until I've compared performance to an HD7950... Needless to say, that oven was disassembled shortly after.
Yes they are a novelty, but you can just get a single card that is heaps faster...
The Stalker trilogy are my all time favourite games still playing it today on my old Precision M6300 17" WUXGA laptop (2007) plays perfectly and looks brilliant, great vid, cheers.
I used to run 2x GTX 285 together with a really overclocked Core 2 Quad and 4 Raptor disks in raid 0. What a beast that machine was.
Since I had an unsupported motherboard I used the hypersli tool found at techpowerup, never had any issues with that.
High end cars is a no go just for the noise and heat/power, exept for the older stuff when that wasn't a issue.
Still nice to see what these beasts can do, great video!!
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The Chad UA-cam Channel: _GTX 285 SLI_
Ran sli 280's for a couple of years. Was pretty painless really and they never got that hot. The trick is to keep as much space between the cards as possible and have a fan blowing in between them. Back then cases with a side fan were popular and I had one with a huge 200mm in the side panel.
Great video, one thing I did back in the day around this era was use a dedicated card for Phsyx too, that would be fun! In the day I had multiple GTX 260's, including the core 216, I then treated myself to the GTX295 when it debuted, and ultimately ended up using two GTX260 core 216 double memory editions for 1792mb each, it was a beast of a setup!
This GPU is $40-$60 on Ebay..I bought a 780 Ti (I recommend you give a go) for $80..I do Cad/3D work and needed something that could handle it and allow me to do decent gaming from time to time..my biggest attraction to it was the 2880 cuda cores it possess (significant for what I'm using it for)..it doesn't really start getting passed up until about the Titan black and Titan X..which are followed by the GTX 1080 Ti..but up until then it's really knocking out a lot of GPU's prior..
For the price and performance..It's an absolute beast..has no problems running GTA and Warzone Max setting while holding over 60fps in the most demanding areas in the games..
I'm going to get another one for SLI set up and see what it can do..
On older boards the memory slot arrangement for dual channel as not yet standardized. It may look wrong from a modern perspective, but that doesn't mean it is. If you have no manual, it's simply trial and error, you only need a maximum of 2 attempts to get it right after all.
more sli/crossfire videos ! keep up the good work, great channel :]
I miss when our GPUs had cg girls..... A more civilized age
Use my lightsaber tech noob.
First I've seen of socket AM3 platform gaming performance. FX-6300 gets plenty good marks over on Amazon.com. I'm on AM4 so this was a good demo for me. "The Talos Principle" brings a 2GB GT-640 to its knees at 13-15 fps. Definitely need to put the "X" in "GT" for many a FPS.
I used to own a motherboard like that one :)
Incredibly solid. I ran an AMD FX-8120 with 16GB of memory, clocked to 4.3 GHz on the CPU, and 1866 MHz on the memory, with a 9-10-9-27 timing setup
Didn't really need to give both cards 16x speed, they won't use anywhere near that much bandwidth, however it was nice so that we could see they weren't being held back.
My old 775 Q9650 still has my Zotac Geforce GTX 285 Batman Edition. Lovely card for Win XP. (even for win 7)
I had GTX 280's in SLI on release. 285 was a refresh cash grab, barely any improvement. My 280's still couldn't come close to running Crysis maxed out at my monitors native res (1920x1200). They also struggled a little with TES Oblivion. Good times.
active the secret stairway from the terminal in the office (Fallout 3)
FX 6300 is still my daily driver and It holds up just fine.
That's sad...
@@akkudakkupl why, I kinda like it
Great CPU :D
I remember having a single GTX275. It did a great job for a pretty long time
Now this is a breath of fresh air. A nice retro Nvidia GTX SLI topic instead of the many unobtainable 3000 series Nvidia RTX cards :)
to get outside in fallout3 , open the console and type "COC 00003A35" without quotes, to teleport to Moriarty's saloon in megaton from there you should be able to simply walk outside and explore,
you can also type TGM to turn on god mode. and TCL to enable noclip, you can ALSO try TCAI to turn off combat AI...
if you cannot access the console you need to edit the fallout_prefs.ini and make sure the line bAllowConsole=1 is there.
the fallout_prefs.ini should be in your documents/mygames/fallout3 folder.
Those blower shrouds actually look pretty sleek and clean.
Phil, amazing work you done there, truly exceptional video! I also have just finished building during the weekend my "new" retro PC consisting of: 2600k and 2 GTX285 in SLI! It is a PC I dreamed building it back in 2011 but could not afford it back then and the CPU does not hold back the video cards!
Nice! What motherboard are you using?
@@philscomputerlab I am using Asus P8P67 deluxe that I bought together with the CPU and 4gb of ram - later upgraded to 16gb - back on Sandy Bridge launch day in January 2011 out of my first salary.
I found even with my FX8350 it would max out at ~70-80% but GPU usage would also never get to 100% no matter what resolution or settings I had in games. It's down to delay between cores sharing resources.
Open a game, open task manager, find the process and set affinity manually. Choose every second core (1,3,5,7 OR 0,2,4,6). It makes the FX use 1 core from each of the 4 modules and eliminates any resource sharing issues.
Ah yes, now I can play cyberpunk at 4k 120 seconds per frame
I saw philscomputerlab channel upload new video
*hit like button at 0:01
Intel Fan boys: "FX series was horrible!"
PhilsComputerLab: "So It can handle 3-way SLI and I just started plugging in GPU's paired with my 30 dollar FX cpu powered by this Aliexpress Flux Capacitor"
As for the codemasters games, there are issues with the grid and dirt series where it doesnt properly assign threads to the right cores on amd systems, or incorrectly switches to single or dualcore thread scheduling. You can manually fix this in the correct XML files, but it takes quite a bit of work. Really sloppy that they didn't include proper profiles for the FX series and never fixed this issue.
This old ram sticks look fiiiiire !
The good ole' days .... I use to run 2 BFG GTS 250s in SLI on a MSI 750i SLI mobo until the board shorted out & took out both cards ! MSI would not help out either , saying it was an OEM motherboard . Talk about being pissed off !! Got a Evga 780i 3-Way SLI mobo , an o/clocked Q9550 & 3 Evga GTX 470s in SLI . Now that kept you nice & warm during the winter months ....
I had a Xeon E5450 with the pin swap mod in an EVGA nForce 790i SLI FTW board (accepts DDR3 ram) with 8 GB of g.Skill DDR3 1600 MHz sticks. Had the FSB clock up at 466 MHz (1864 effective) getting the CPU to just shy of 4.2 GHz on water cooling. Paired with a GTX 295 it was pretty capable at the time. Now I want to put it back together and find another GTX 295 to add with the other and see what happens with my old games.
Do we have to get double? Btw I got pci 8400 gs for around 20 $. That will increase the performance of agp board. Agp graphics card is way more expensive. The seller sells those quite understandable prices. Mx 4000 was about double the price, and I chose 8600 gs, i.e. g210. I have 4 of them now. As you said I do not pursuit but those are likely to follow me. But all of them are uniquely different variants of g210.
I'll be interested in seeing a video on getting the SLI patches to work, I'm interested in trying to get it going on my P5Q Pro so I can start comparing Crossfire vs SLI vs single card from a bunch of GPU generations.
Edit: Also, for FO3 the terminal you're looking at right at 11:18 contains an option to open a secret passageway that allows you to escape the Overseers office. :) If you need the terminal password, it's inside a nearby container. For future reference with Fallout games if you're ever stuck somewhere, search around for a terminal or container as that'll usually point the way or give you a required pw/key to open a door or something. Also IMO, I'd try to grab a save from right before the final mission where the BoS with Liberty Prime is fighting the Enclave and make your "benchmark" just playing through that part of the game as it's one of the heaviest bits of gameplay in FO3 and would even manage to put a reasonable load on a monster GPU setup such as this.
My last sli was 7600gt with a athalon 4200+ on a 939 socket.... first build I made with my pizza hut money 🍕
It was amazing in battlefield 2142...
I like this sort of era of hardware as it's easier to find more parts. Looks like heaps of options to change up the system as well. Was cool to see how the SLI changes the game performance! Very cool!
please open the cards and put new fresh thermal paste in them , and check if the temps get better
would make a great bonus tuesday video!
I was thinking of trying 3 GTX 280's on my DFI X58 Lanparty UT and a 980X but the board lacking integrated audio makes that an issue.
this takes me back had gtx280 x2 and fx 8120 in a msi 990fxa gd65 motherboard really enjoyed that setup but despite my sentiment for the fx chips would have to agree that cpu is holding the cards back as i could never get 3dmark scores comparable to other gtx280 even at factory clocks
you need socket 1155 or newer to really take advantage of even 200 series in SLI. AM3 stuff is way to slow. I had fully bought into that platform around all the bulldozer hype back in the day and quickly jump ship to sandy bridge after it flopped. never looked back. the performance gains were incredible. Still have my gigabyte 990fx UD7 board around for benchmarking. I have more 200 series cards than any other generation, able to achieve 90%+ scaling in many tests on intel platforms.
Good old days when GPU temps were higher than GPU usage :)
For Fallout 3 you may need to cap the framerate to 60. The game engine itself bugs out with FPS beyond 60 sometimes so that may be causing you to be unable to exit the starting area.
I really enjoyed this video! My only experience with SLI was with two GTX 460s. You should check that card out. I remember getting good performance out of it even without SLI. I was using mine with a 2600K CPU so the GTX 460 might have been a bit outdated by then but still awesome. They were very good for the price at the time.
I do remember the 460 being a very popular card! I believe I do have one, but it's the lower 7xx MB version, it was somewhat slower.
Love the old flagship builds I still have i7 920 gtx275 and it holds its own but just built I5 10400f Rx5600xt build for $800 and its unbelievable
I'm mulling over trying something similar to this in an X58 mATX build I'm working on. Basically dual HD6950s in crossfire with an OC'd X5675 with DDR#-2400 ram. But that would mean giving up any hardware accelerated audio, so, yeah... Sticking with the Sapphire R9-280X Toxic edition I just got for now (if I can get XP to support it)
Mate, you forgot to remove the location tag from the upload.
Bioshock has an Audio Glitch that is linked to the X Box Controller & has something to do with the Mic Port on it. If you have a Microphone & plug it in before Launching the Game it should Make the Sound Re Appear.
Next Episode: GTX 295 SLI Ultimate 2009 Gaming PC
Imagine if you could still purchase 2 flagship house for $800. I remember buying a 3 gb gtx 580. After my direct cu ii. Both were about $550. I miss those days. We've been hoodwinked. But people love bragging and love buying things they can't afford.
Wow just read that lmao damn auto correct.
I still have my 2x BGF gtx275...asus x58....cool vid.
Definitely use Bioshock in more Windows XP tests. Yeah, it's a little quirky, but it's very scalable! It's also one of the last games, if not THE last with EAX support. (Version 5.0) It's an audio-visual treat for the time, and has an excellent story. My all time favorite game!
Lol you got to love 90+ gold rating on your power supply!
Great video, as always Phil!
TBH: Now I want a *single* GTX 285 for my Phenom X4 9950 "retro" PC.
You do realize a Q6600 will not only be a much cheaper CPU, but likely board as well? On top of performing better?
@@TheBig451 and you do realize that us, retro enthusiasts, don’t really care about that? A few days ago I was using a 486 PC, for cryin’ out loud ! Let me guess, a Ryzen 9 5900X would be better, right? :)) Playing with any kind of hardware regardless of performance is what we do.
I have a 9950 because I happened to find a "New Old Stock" one last year, sealed in its original box. That, combined with the fact that C2Qs are far more common and therefore kinda boring to me, is why I got a Phenom 9950. I like uncommon and "New Old Stock" retro things in particular.
Great content as usual. Still longing for the day when I have proper systems for older OSes. Still hoping to play some games I have on floppy and cd again.
A Xeon x3440 or X3450 on an LGA 1156 mainboard with proper SLI support may also yield better results. Not only that, they are easy to overclock with enough cooling.
Nice video. I love AM3 platform videos. I think that maybe the FX 8350 (4.0Ghz without turbo) would give you the need of IPC that you missed for this SLI project. Thanks a lot for retrieving tuesday videos 👍
I had my dream pc back then. I7 920 oc to 4.4 ghz on a Asus rampage 2 extreme and gtx 285 in 3 way sli.
Today sli is sadly a dead left over from the past. Yeah I miss SLI.
I was on Asus GTX 275 SLI and a i7 920OC'ed for the longest time before upgrading a GTX 970. Thats a huge jump! The 285's should still be plenty powerful just limited in newer features.
SLI was kind of glitchy with multi-card setups. Best "SLI" product I ever used was GTX590 which is one of the best graphics cards I ever bought in the long run (for one it was *stable* and wiped the floors with the competition). Before that I used triple-SLI with 8800GTX cards and had to use water cooling for the cards with a serious radiator and pump or the system just cooked itself up no matter what kind of ventilation was used inside a closed case. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was one of the games that worked with it. SLI was really meant for 2560x1600 back in the days together with 30" monitor.
Great video.
An i7 2600k, especially overclocked should be enough for those gtx 285's in SLI.
What sort of motherboard would you recommend?
@@philscomputerlab Z68 or Z77.
Z77 supports pcie 3.0 if / when you go ivy bridge in the future
I ran 2 x GTX 295's in quad SLI with an i7-920/930 (and later an i7-7700K) for years. With the 930, the CPU was bottlenecking the cards whereby I gained more from overclocking the CPU rather than the GPU's. I can remember the computer store owner when I bought my cards... "yeah, I want 2 of those Gigabyte 295's please"... "You want what???" ..."2 of 'em please"... "Are you sure???"... "Yeah, 2 of 'em please"
Adding a GTS 250 for PhysX would be interesting too.
How does the coil whine in SLI sound? Definitely enjoyed the previous coil whine video.
Always fun to see setups like this. At the time I had a Q6600 w/ GTX 260 (216) setup and then later picked up another GTX 260 (216) for some SLI goodness at the time!
I have 3 cards, these two are silent. It's the third one (featured in a recent video) that is a real screamer :D
Fallout 3 is a Great Game but the first 10-20 minutes is like pulling teeth. Not that hard just annoying. So I always Save near the exit & Start from there. You have to sneak into Amata's Room & steal her Dads Passcode from the Dresser. Than make your way to the Overseers Office use the Computer to open the Hatch (you should have the Passcode now) Try not to be seen by Amatas Dad (the Overseer) if you can.
You should've tested with various clocks/power limits in MSI Afterburner. There's a power limiter and temperature limiter. Each 1C limit = 1% power. Maybe good video idea for comparing stock performance/temps versus stock, maybe 85C? And you can (probably know) create a custom fan profile.
I sometimes limit my R9 290 to 80C idle, 85C (-10% power) to 95C (stock power) during gaming (physical switch for performance).
For Windows 7 and below, don't forget to use WSUS Offline Update (among other important frameworks, plugins, and software on USB before install).
What do you mean this setup won't run Cyberpunk?
What would be the modern equivalent to this setup? A laptop 1050?
I love windows 7 sli builds, wideo worth to look at. really pc enthusistic. thank you
10:55 In Fallout 3, you have to unlock the escape route from the Overseer's terminal in the Overseer's office. You should end up in a tunnel bringing you to the Utility Room and from there you will open out the Vault 101 entrance and leave into the DC Wasteland.
Cool, I've still got two boxed MSI N460GTX cyclone 1GD5 that I used many years ago in sli, was interesting to see this.
The only time I ever used GPUs in tandem was two ex-display R7 250X 2GB Crossfire'd because I spent way too much on the Intel 4790K I had no budget left for a decent graphics card, it was stupid because it bottlenecked such a brilliant CPU, most of the time I couldn't even get Crossfire working and when I did the performance boost was negligible (I think the second slot on the motherboard was only wired for 4x), it could barely run Saints Row the Third and Skyrim, two games I was really into back then. I upgraded to a GTX 1070 OC a year or two later and it was like night and day. Still using the same CPU with a far better motherboard while swapping out the graphics card every couple of years and it still does everything I want it to.
Such an SLI rig would be better served with something like a 2500k OCed to as close to 5 Ghz as possible as many of these games are very single thread heavy, apart from Crysis also definitely Stalker (tested with FX 8350, so even slightly faster cpu than the one in this video and one thread is pegged to the max all the time) and probably several others.
I wish that SLI boards supporting such CPUs would be affordable. But they are not. Even used X58 boards still command like USD 80 or more :(
For Fallout 3 just download a save to starr outside of the bunker. I had one stored on my files just because of this.
I specifically remember the pc port of Bioshock having this "no audio" issue, and the solution was something stupid like plugging in a microphone. I'm Serious....