it never ceases to amaze me how Americans view the rest of the world as theirs in which no other country can make solid relations unless through America.
America, land of the brave and the free: free to drop their bombs all over, brave to kill those who cannot fight back. America, the bully with the catapult.
"When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible." - Jomo Kenyatta (1st President of Kenya)
+Ten4Ten4 And Jomo Kenyatta himself did the same to his fellow Kenyans by appropriating the most valuable lands across the country rendering people landless and squatters in their own country.
yep. and as far as who was in each country first the colonialists like to pick lint balls nomadic and natural flowing regional kingdoms had to change traditions settle and latinize names of the people, countries, languages, meanwhile sitting back and laughing most African countries were invaded by foreigners and that's a fact their is no sub humans Africa was colonized infiltrated in major huge huge huge wars by many people who came all at once for the resources.
@@DOMiNOUKAE colonization has remained largely a western strategy throughout history ... It is extremely shameless of you to accuse China, when western countries are the ones controling African resources and giving nothing back for generations. Just stop your shameless hypocrisy now and tell your government to stop looting Africa and Asia
The "God" that the Western colonizers brought to Africa has been one of the biggest poisons holding Africa back. The colonizers used the lie of religion to oppress all of Africa. Religion is evil. Please stop believing in god, believe in humans and a united, peaceful future.
What would the Americans say if a Chinese does a talk about the US in Africa? What America did in Africa except building military bases and supplying weapons, also support dictators
manny mo why is everyone so obsessed with what the US will say about this? I think it's great okay. I'm American and I think the loans they are giving Africa is wonderful. They should teach them the Chinese language like the Americans and British taught them English
@ Ann Young : You better fuck off, America need Africa, Africans don’t need Americans. Ship back our brothers and sisters with reparations and I will feel GOOD, the land of USA was built on bloodbath, USA is a fraud of fraud of all nations in the world, your wages from TMH is awaiting you. Your forefathers has corrupted everything on this planet even including human genetics 🧬. Africans learnt English and French because we had no choice, it was imposed on us with gun pointed on our head. Look around the whole world, museums and monument being built around the world and tell me where civilisation originated from. You mother fucker. Being sarcastic that the Chinese should teach Africans their language. Tell me what race first had a system called education? Your fucking forefathers the so called Greeks, the mother of the whole Europeans/ western civilisation had their education in Egypt 🇪🇬. The last time I checked on the globe was yesterday 03-08-2019 and Egypt was still on the north eastern of Africa continent.
Well, China has begun its feelers on central and south Americas. God bless Latin America and China. Read Isaiah Chapter 49 to know more. God has abandoned USA.
1. Ever since Chairman Moa's time, China has been helping African countries. At that time, China was not seeking their votes in UN or WTO. They came to make friends first, and then those friends returned China's help with their votes many years later. 2. Today, what China has been doing is to help African countries stand up on their own. They build development projects in exchange for their natural resources, but at fair market value, not by stealing or robbing or colonization. Through trading with China, Africans are getting dignity, which they never had when dealing with the westerners. They get to prosper with their resources, as they should, instead of just reaching their hands out palm up. 3. The westerners do not need to fear that China's influence will rise or call it a "debt trap." I am sure China will welcome wholeheartedly that the westerners help African countries the way they do: help them prosper by creating jobs and building infrastructures, and not interfering nor influencing their politics so they can have a stable society they need to develop.
I think everybody here got it wrong. Professor Brautigam was praising China for its smart investment and really helped to lift a lot of Africans out of poverty. She criticized the NGO, the aid from the Western country, while praising China built the infrastructures helping Africa to set up its industry, People! you have to listen well, put on subtitles if you cannot understand.
You are absolutely right. She was praising China like most speakers, almost all of them Africans too. There are obviously some listeners who have already formed an opinion that anything an American speaker says must be anti-China! The trouble is that many people don't take the trouble listen to what is being said.
"If you want to rise out of poverty, you first have to build roads." Chinese proverbs While the West funds NGOs and if that doesn't work goes to war. There you go.
Ten4Ten4 withe peoples thank we are black American tommorro there net tommorro another place my freand we black Africa are part of China, withe woman we cell you, too bad you hard is the problems you head too much .
It might also have been helpful to have highlighted China's diplomatic and materials support to liberation movements against European colonial governments and subsequent military dictatorships that were supported by the US.
Yes, China has been doing in Africa for a very long time; yet, Africans never complained about this country. I have seen huge structures made by Chinese in Africa: One example: Stadiums in Kigali, Rwanda and Kinshasa, DRC Also, DRC has their "Palais du Peuple" that was built during the Zaire era. Now, let me tell you, I haven't come across such a "honest" intelllectual in a long time. Thank you Madam! I will buy your book. Also, if you have time, please, take a look at " Quand la Chine s'eveillera...le monde tremblera". By Alain Peyrefitte. Paris, 1973. I am pretty sure you already read it! I read it in my high school years. So it seems true that China is rising; it's the " Dragon" is shaking things around!
"Africans are also concerned." Did you ask us the Africans? No we are used to competing with others. We've been competing with Europeans since independence, namely the Portuguese, English and Italians. Who do you think were the small traders in our business districts? Hell, we were not even granted permits to set up shops even in the rare instances when an African had the money.
@@o-654 you misunderstood my point. I guess you already know I am Chinese. those west media said we Chinese people hated our government, but actually most of us like our government. they just put their words in our mouth. same thing happened here.
Is is good that your nightmare and criticism has happend now CHINA IN AFRICA ...Yesssss. it is a lot or huge better than AMERICA IN AFRICA, because if that happened, on this time 2018. will see somerhing similar like AMERICA IN IRAQ or AMERICA IN AFGANISTAN.... dont think so??
Everything that is said here is accurate. These are well researched materials. I do admire the lecturer's "intellectual honesty" and her 'fluid' entire analysis towards the China-Africa economic relationship. I see Africa rising soon as some glitches (such as corruption) are eradicated; that may take NGOs and other unnecessary organizations to close, as one of the prerequisites. Thank you Madam!
That Once Upon a Time story twist at the beginning was quite a hook. Looking forward to more content about China without all the prejudice and propaganda.
Yeah. I didn’t know that. It tells me that what China is offering Africa, it had found good enough for themselves. Not a lot of countries can, hand on heart, say the same.
I absolutely loved the connection with Ming dynasty. I am pro China development but even I had a lot of misunderstanding until I listened to professor Thank you
Good for you 😁Everything we ever need or want to know can never be taught in a classroom. An intelligent person such as yourself, commits their self to life long learning and can develop expertise in many areas.
Fairly Detailed presentation (in how she touched on most of the prevailing issues on China’s presence in Africa) on China’s commercial and economic interests in Africa but I disagree totally with her take on corruption and its impact. On the political front, better job could have been done in capturing some of the intricacies and dynamics that often eludes most us who are often sympathetic to a lot of the good economic and commercial work being done by China in Africa and as such allow that bias to get the best of us. One thing most concerning is that at times these loans secured by the wagering of some of these African nations resources, often are lost to corruption or fail to affect the needed change through mismanagement, waste, embezzlement and misappropriation of public funds. This is why I was surprised when she asserted that corruption is not or has not been a problem to Africa’s advancement. It makes one wonder how thorough some of the conclusions made here are. However, some valid and verifiable facts were made.Great job.
Deborah Brautigam's writing is embedded in excellent researched ma terials that penetrated the domination of western colonial imperial control of the economy of Africa. Her inclusion of the cross-cultural East - West cultural practices is evident of the amazing peripheral scope of her books... a must buy for understanding 'Africa's perception of the competition to influence Africa today. 1:02
China does not intefere with the domestic politics of sovereignties. Within the exercise of her own right in the China Aid for Africa since the early 60s of Mao Tse Tung's time, China works with a balancing format for China is steeped in the cultivation of an egalitarian society. But regime change of any kind where respect for sovereignty is honoured, interferences in changing the politics and cultural norms are strictly HANDS-OFF where China's concerned. That's why China is Free of religion, beliefs, ideology, gender bias etc.
Good stuff starting from 47:34. Start from there and you will have a totally different picture of what Deborah is talking about. Very interesting and illuminating stuff.
How many africans participated in this conference? As an African, I am afraid to know that important issues on the continent have been analyzed by Americans, Europeans and Asians. If I “thought again”, my conclusion would be that all of you are not interested in helping Africa achieve better solutions and results, but in your own interests.
very comprehensive and non-MSM style "china/chinese" lecture. Still great after 6 years and enlightening. A comment on her answer to charity and missionaries. Although missionaries built schools and hospitals, the major different between that and Chinese built schools and hospitals, is that missionaries built for religion, and Chinese build schools for schools, build hospitals for hospitals.
It is a wonderful speech, just wonderful.👍 But the click, click, and click noises are from the two mics that keep knocking at each other every time when professor Bräutigam moves. The host could have done something about it during such a long, very informative, and very educative speech. 👎
For my asian opinion, westerns are mostly misunderstand and underestimate chinese. Western knowledge and paradigm can not be applied with chinese philosophy.
This was a wonderful lecture and I love the reliance on economic statistical data. There seems to be a disconnect between the American government and the expertise available in our great educational institutions.
yes, americans has the best institutes, the best scientists, the best media, the best everything except stupid politicians. It is maybe due to clever politicians must follow majority ordinary people. Unfortunately. eslites are only minority and fools are majority.
Since Africa is beginning to look 'delicious', I am beginning to wonder if China would be willing to assist Africa when it comes to "IMPROVING AFRICA'S MILITARY" 👍
They should if only they know what's good for them. It's only obvious that the West would do what it does best - direct aggression if aggression by proxy fails, and then it'll be in China's interest that we should be able to defend ourselves.
Sorry, Deborah, for my previous comments. I wrote it before I i HEARD THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION. Now, I realise that you gave the most comprehensive and complete picture of the realities. Understanding these chinese subtleties about how they conduct their businesses will help the US fashion better policies.
My parents who were very rich had an ivory Buddha in the hallway of their penthouse in Geneva. It was very old and incredibly beautiful. My mother, who was a Protestant used to sit in front of it for hours in the evening and I asked her what she was doing. She said it was obvious this Buddha had been carved with great love and that sitting in front of it and staring at the Buddhas face gave her a feeling of peace. She was a farm girl born in Yorkshire. 阿弥陀佛
Please allow me to try to explain this from understanding as a Chinese. US has been in dominant position in global economic for so long, that she takes resources, and production from other developing countries. What US is doing is printing currency in order to sustain such position and structure. Any country or economic entity(including European Union) try to challenge it, will receive different kinds of punishments, including starting wars for no-reason, and Hollywood doing the best to beautify it, condemnation based on economics, customs and ideology, for which we didn't talk and focus on for decades. But as a rapidly developing country, China, is able to and probably the only one who's able to bring second choice to the rest of the world, we call it multi-polarism. Based on our tradition and culture as an ancient civilization, we are not interested in taking over the world at all. Please let more people to realize it, stop hegemonism, give every country freedom in choosing their economic development, political structure. Especially give developing countries a chance to break such food-chain economic structure by allowing the existence of second choice.
years ago coming out of south tip of sahara on my bicyles and there were three parallal n-s lines i saw and cound't forget. along the left side of newly paved road there was a transmission line that was under construction. on the other was the oil-pipe line. i knew the road and the transmission line were financed and build by the chinese. 2 years ago a friend in germany told me she went to tanzania to help out an european couple working for a ngo. the couple lived in a fortified house in a village and told her "its dangerous out there and do not go out of the house". so nothing did she.
in the Cairo conference prior to the end of the second world war, it was a period where it was semi-determinative that Germany has exhausted any potential path to a military victory, at the time, the US promised China the return of Taiwan. Then the US went back on their word, which outraged the Chinese for a while until they realised that the US never really cared and broke their promises all the time. Like the Iran nuclear deal, or the various UN Resolutions regarding Israel, or the Paris Accord. There is really no point to expect America to have honour as they merely used it as a way to get countries to lower their guard.
There has been a quantum shift in China's stance on the environment and damaging trade in things such as ivory. They have banned both trade and import of the latter and the market price has dropped 70%. Their business practices are much more aligned to UN SDG'S.
The sharing from Dr Deborah Brautigam is very informative and enlightening. Thanks for your valuable times sharing it to the world. This is the best sharing I ever heard 🤗
@@ItopaAl He refers to the fact that some people in China don't like this China-Africa relationship and wanted the Chinese government to invest in Africa or sponsor Africans to study in China. He said thiese Arican haters in China should watch this video and think about Mao's great vision.
@Emma Munro 300 years of colonialism by the west resulted in nothing but looting, apartheid, and abject poverty when they finished with the looting. You talk about low wages. Do you expect western wages? Who will ultimately pay back the cost of the high debt? Indebtedness? Who is risking a lot of money, the borrower or the lender? Think about it.
@@emmamunro9386 Corporations in the US are making record profits. Are American workers benefitting from this? America thrives on debt. Keep your aid we want development.
But that’s the point though. If you think deeply about it, the reason why they keep doing it for decades even though it doesn’t work to spur development, and how hard it is to actually get the funds pledged under climate agreements etc that would go to SDG positive development and renewable energy, you gotta seriously consider the possibility that dependency is, in fact, the purpose.
I believe Miss Broutigam this time; the first time that I came across her talks on China, she made it her main theme to make jokes on China.. I was so surprised when she appeared on Naidoo's "HEAT" just a couple of weeks ago. In her early days she made it her main point that China exaggerates her size and importance of her contributions. Our Chinese people do not try tocourt world admiration, we do what we do for our own benefit. China does not need world admiration. This time around I can say for sure that Miss Broutigam speaks from her own experiences....she is cleansed of thaat annoying American hubris !
The Chinese probably don't disclose much of their aid amount because they don't want to talk about it. They want others, most probably the recipients to talk about it. They don't want to brag.
When zheng ho a chinese eunuch general led an armada the size of which is bigger than that of the european's ships to explore the world. They reached various countries in africa but went there not to colonize but to trade. When they went home to china they brought with them goods traded from the various nations and a giraffe for their emperor. With the powerful fleet he brought along he could have defeated some of those small african tribes and enslaves them and brought some as tribute to the emperor but they didnt as the speaker pointed it out. Now when 1.2million more or less chinese stayed in several african nations bring no arms but their knowledge and money to invest, the westerns accused them of colonizing africa in mind. They should be ashamed and reflect who are the real african colonizers
We all have to admit: China Propaganda is still ZERO. WESTERN PROPAGANDA is way way sophisticated. Western media are capable to make lies become truths
That's why in 2022 they are the most hated continent in africa, we don't have a soothing history with them, they better know their place or we will show them were to seat in the dark.
US help Africa countries improve human right standards so that people there can over throw their government to have better human rights and die in the process to have better human rights.
When listening to this lecture one wonders the openly neglecting the fact that Europe has had colonies and still under colonial influences on all aspects. China coming to the Modern threatening commercial aspect to USA has played very important part was through Kissingers PING-PONG diplomacy. Contemporary History should trustworthy for the White eurocentric colonial mighty might should meet Africans Africa with RESPECT which the Chinese fo
Since the policy of the US doesn't believe in diplomatic engagement with each & single nation in Africa. Dealing only with so called anchor states that mean ignores the sovereignty of the rest nations. China follows the International rules of respecting each and single sovereign country on dealing business while the westerns punishing multiple countries across the continent denying them from integrating the global economic. What do those countries can do other than welcome China? As the conflict in Africa? It's engineers are always the same people.
Just look at what happened when Dubai got to host the World Trade Expo. Although not in Africa, the organisers billed it as the ‘first to be held in a MENA (Middle East and North Africa) region’. It was also the first World Trade Expo that actually invited every country on earth, ie actually a *World* trade expo. Not only that every country no matter how small had its own pavilion and could host potential trade promotions independently without sharing with regional neighbours, the African Union had a pavilion separately just like the EU. At no point before this had any organiser probably even thought to do it. This is the way we want to treat each other, in the non-first world, only that most of us aren’t in a position to afford to. But we agree that this is what we wish. I’m not convinced that the developed world sees it as the table stakes that we do.
This is the most comprehensive treatment I've seen - which is heartening. Picking a side and polarising the issue requires ignoring facts. The US needs to compete for benefit from Africa, by win-win benefit to Africa. Good to expose that the US is and has been doing what people 'blame' China for. ...And, Africa needs to get its act together too, African politicians and elite are selling out their people, and the mafia/nepotistic culture is at fault (veyond 'education'). I trust the 'Thousand Talents' project is not involved here. Politics for dominance lets the whole world loose. (Chinese roads built in Africa are so poor, they last only 6 months)
@HMSBlackPrince What kind of maintenance is needed for a high volume motorway of tarr on 1 foot of compacted soil and gravel? My guess is a redo... They promissed tarr highways, but not the specifications.
At 46:00 or so she talks about Hong Kong, and it's interesting. This must be why there's so much drama around whether or not Hong Kong is independent or China controls it. Billions of dollars move through there - it's about who gets to control this really strategically crucial bottleneck for capital flows.
@HMSBlackPrince gotcha! Informative comment, thank you. Yeah I'm always looking for the underlying economic mechanisms for why geopolitics happens the way it does.
from my obseravtions after watching both the contents and the comments section of hundreds of videos about China, Internet really has created a very divided world, from both pro and anti sides, people are really equally extreme, ranting and bashing anything that disobey their belief. I'm just a college graduate, i deeply know that i'm no where close to be able to speak for anybody or on anything, but i think the least and best i can do is to observe and analyze then i can summarize some characteristics profile that help me better understand netizens from all kinds of social and political backgrounds. I think to understand the world, we can always start from observation.
This is a US propaganda video; very subtly putting down China and glamourising US: 1. While the world is admiring what China's unique win-win approach helping Africa with its infrastructure projects, she pointed out China learnt it from receiving similar aids from Japan; a country beaten and surrendered to the US. 2. She then pointed out China used African countries to get things its way with world organisations, like their votes on WTO. 3. She went on and said the money US gave to Africa are humanitarian aids, unconditional charities; while the money from China are loans.
China was emerging from conflict? More like it was emerging from nearly a century of colonization, exploitation and underdevelopment (I'm using that last term as a verb), at the hands of the Western Powers. The fact that this woman reads "Foreign Affairs," tells you all that you need to know about her jumping-off point. Then she talks about Chinese goods flooding markets. Yeah, American companies would rather Africa remain underdeveloped so that American companies could flood African markets with their overproduced goods.
And overpriced too, considering they come to Africa and cart off our resources for a song after devaluating our currencies and fixing it so that we will never repay our debts.
Does anyone know where we can have access to all of these charts that were used in the presentation? Looks like very valuable information that's presented clearly.
If we checked all historical documents, and look at the rise and fall of African and Chinese Empires, there has never been a war between the Africans and the Chinese. As a matter of fact, all they were recorded doing was entertainment, business and education.
No food coming out of Africa to China? Pakistanis were pressured to hand a rice growing swat of land so that China can grow rice for the Chinese, (for example). According to South Asia news
missionaries...ask the late Jomo kenyatta. they came with the bible told us to close our eyes and pray. when we opened our eyes we had the bible and they had the land.
If I told you that most aid to Africa from China was for humanitarian and education development, while aid from US/EU is for infrastructure to better exploit resources, would you be surprised? You should be, because the fact is just the opposite, and if you thought otherwise, your prejudice exposes an irrational hostiliy to Europeans and their diaspora.
If the Europeans did not create the humanitarian crisis in the first place there wouldn't be a need for humanitarian aid. Times have changed. We are in the business of developing Africa so we are chosing to do our business with those that do not patronize us with their great white hope mentality.
Well, since Europe had already done the second one during the colonial period, and China had built the Zambia-Tanzania railway which didn’t route resources to China, it’s hard to say. The Colonial Age European infrastructure is one reason why intra-Africa trade is much less than trade between African countries to non-Africa. The existing infrastructure was built to route the resources out of the continent, not trade within the continent, so the former remains a lot cheaper than the latter, at least until some of these Chinese funded infrastructure will be completed.
it never ceases to amaze me how Americans view the rest of the world as theirs in which no other country can make solid relations unless through America.
America, land of the brave and the free: free to drop their bombs all over, brave to kill those who cannot fight back. America, the bully with the catapult.
@juscurious the appropriate use of "catapult" is obvious - it is a metaphor. And the reference is to how Americans seek to destroy other countries.
@juscurious The only big war America had was with itself, called the Civil War. The rest were with small, weak, peasant countries.
They'll have a tough time adapting to the future changes.
The US has no right to dictate to the rest of the world. The US is without a doubt the world's biggest bully.
"When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible." - Jomo Kenyatta (1st President of Kenya)
+Ten4Ten4 And Jomo Kenyatta himself did the same to his fellow Kenyans by appropriating the most valuable lands across the country rendering people landless and squatters in their own country.
lol lol lol
yep. and as far as who was in each country first the colonialists like to pick lint balls nomadic and natural flowing regional kingdoms had to change traditions settle and latinize names of the people, countries, languages, meanwhile sitting back and laughing most African countries were invaded by foreigners and that's a fact their is no sub humans Africa was colonized infiltrated in major huge huge huge wars by many people who came all at once for the resources.
Humor at its best
LENNY FEY guess what tho hes black not white see how that shit works white boy!!!!!!
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
+Young Alexander Lao-Tzu say.
Then someone will come and say this is an environmental issue.
@@sirkeg1 丢人不？老师是没有教你文言文咋滴
At last some one is offering a helping hand to Africa and treats Africa with respect.
no Chinese talk about help China talk about business and that what African people want
god bless Africa and China
9opop Chinese will colonize you and be the new Europeans over you. your foolish
@@DOMiNOUKAE think using your brain instead of your ass
@@DOMiNOUKAE colonization has remained largely a western strategy throughout history ... It is extremely shameless of you to accuse China, when western countries are the ones controling African resources and giving nothing back for generations. Just stop your shameless hypocrisy now and tell your government to stop looting Africa and Asia
The "God" that the Western colonizers brought to Africa has been one of the biggest poisons holding Africa back. The colonizers used the lie of religion to oppress all of Africa. Religion is evil. Please stop believing in god, believe in humans and a united, peaceful future.
@@DOMiNOUKAE so did they do it yet? ah they should like the west just ame in to rob then
What would the Americans say if a Chinese does a talk about the US in Africa? What America did in Africa except building military bases and supplying weapons, also support dictators
manny mo why is everyone so obsessed with what the US will say about this? I think it's great okay. I'm American and I think the loans they are giving Africa is wonderful. They should teach them the Chinese language like the Americans and British taught them English
@ Ann Young : You better fuck off, America need Africa, Africans don’t need Americans. Ship back our brothers and sisters with reparations and I will feel GOOD, the land of USA was built on bloodbath, USA is a fraud of fraud of all nations in the world, your wages from TMH is awaiting you. Your forefathers has corrupted everything on this planet even including human genetics 🧬. Africans learnt English and French because we had no choice, it was imposed on us with gun pointed on our head. Look around the whole world, museums and monument being built around the world and tell me where civilisation originated from. You mother fucker. Being sarcastic that the Chinese should teach Africans their language. Tell me what race first had a system called education? Your fucking forefathers the so called Greeks, the mother of the whole Europeans/ western civilisation had their education in Egypt 🇪🇬. The last time I checked on the globe was yesterday 03-08-2019 and Egypt was still on the north eastern of Africa continent.
@@annyoung7853 We are choosing to learn to speak Chinese since that's who we do business with. GTFOH
@@annyoung7853 guess you just got schooled..
@@annyoung7853 Give a man fish and he won't be hungry for a day. Teach him how to fish and he won't be hungry anymore.
I hope china one day can invest in latin America since usa has look down on us but love the resource that they might have
Angie M. It would be a lot harder for China to do that because US sees Latin America as its backyard.
Angie M. ..there ain't no 'latin' America,. !! ,you didn't buy any land in America
Well, China has begun its feelers on central and south Americas.
God bless Latin America and China. Read Isaiah Chapter 49 to know more. God has abandoned USA.
"too far away from the God, too close to the US" XD
Please be careful in what you wish for cause next step will be Latin America turn into a colony of the CCP THEN SURPRISE ANOTHER VENEZUELA
1. Ever since Chairman Moa's time, China has been helping African countries. At that time, China was not seeking their votes in UN or WTO. They came to make friends first, and then those friends returned China's help with their votes many years later.
2. Today, what China has been doing is to help African countries stand up on their own. They build development projects in exchange for their natural resources, but at fair market value, not by stealing or robbing or colonization. Through trading with China, Africans are getting dignity, which they never had when dealing with the westerners. They get to prosper with their resources, as they should, instead of just reaching their hands out palm up.
3. The westerners do not need to fear that China's influence will rise or call it a "debt trap." I am sure China will welcome wholeheartedly that the westerners help African countries the way they do: help them prosper by creating jobs and building infrastructures, and not interfering nor influencing their politics so they can have a stable society they need to develop.
forget about the western propaganda ,we africans appreciate china presence in africa and our eyes are shine
I think everybody here got it wrong. Professor Brautigam was praising China for its smart investment and really helped to lift a lot of Africans out of poverty. She criticized the NGO, the aid from the Western country, while praising China built the infrastructures helping Africa to set up its industry, People! you have to listen well, put on subtitles if you cannot understand.
You are absolutely right. She was praising China like most speakers, almost all of them Africans too. There are obviously some listeners who have already formed an opinion that anything an American speaker says must be anti-China! The trouble is that many people don't take the trouble listen to what is being said.
"If you want to rise out of poverty, you first have to build roads." Chinese proverbs
While the West funds NGOs and if that doesn't work goes to war. There you go.
tyjghjghhh you don't k ow much about the west. We give more aid than any other
***** "If you want to know the end look at the beginning." African proverb
+tyjghjghhh Boy, you are a real violent and rude son of gun ... My goodness.
Ten4Ten4 withe peoples thank we are black American tommorro there net tommorro another place my freand we black Africa are part of China, withe woman we cell you, too bad you hard is the problems you head too much .
@@cicero1178 not true...you still owe the UN
It might also have been helpful to have highlighted China's diplomatic and materials support to liberation movements against European colonial governments and subsequent military dictatorships that were supported by the US.
China and Africa forever!
- a white boi.
What's wrong with moving some of your lower end manufacturing to other countries. Hasn't the US been doing that for decades?
She didn't say it was wrong. In fact, I guess she was saying the opposite
@@smendes2004 mayb its her tone of her voice, when she mentions that.
It takes time to raise training and education in a workforce of a society.
The African people and their govement are able to tell what is good for them.
Just tell that's it.
should we study how did west "helped" africa?
I think you mean, how the West "help themselves" on Africa 😁
Slavery, then Charity.
Yes, China has been doing in Africa for a very long time; yet, Africans never complained about this country. I have seen huge structures made by Chinese in Africa: One example: Stadiums in Kigali, Rwanda and Kinshasa, DRC Also, DRC has their "Palais du Peuple" that was built during the Zaire era.
Now, let me tell you, I haven't come across such a "honest" intelllectual in a long time. Thank you Madam!
I will buy your book. Also, if you have time, please, take a look at " Quand la Chine s'eveillera...le monde tremblera".
By Alain Peyrefitte. Paris, 1973. I am pretty sure you already read it! I read it in my high school years.
So it seems true that China is rising; it's the " Dragon" is shaking things around!
"Africans are also concerned." Did you ask us the Africans? No we are used to competing with others. We've been competing with Europeans since independence, namely the Portuguese, English and Italians. Who do you think were the small traders in our business districts? Hell, we were not even granted permits to set up shops even in the rare instances when an African had the money.
lol. now u know how we Chinese people feel about those westerners.
@@o-654 you misunderstood my point. I guess you already know I am Chinese. those west media said we Chinese people hated our government, but actually most of us like our government. they just put their words in our mouth. same thing happened here.
@ta ta I feel she was trying to be "fair" with what China has done for Africa, but not giving China enough credits she deserves
Deborah is an eloquent, fact-base, and elegant speaker! Love your work.
Is is good that your nightmare and criticism has happend now CHINA IN AFRICA ...Yesssss.
it is a lot or huge better than AMERICA IN AFRICA, because if that happened, on this time 2018. will see somerhing similar like AMERICA IN IRAQ or AMERICA IN AFGANISTAN.... dont think so??
Everything that is said here is accurate. These are well researched materials.
I do admire the lecturer's "intellectual honesty" and her 'fluid' entire analysis towards the China-Africa economic relationship.
I see Africa rising soon as some glitches (such as corruption) are eradicated; that may take NGOs and other unnecessary organizations to close, as one of the prerequisites.
Thank you Madam!
To the U.S., according to Trump, Africa is a "SHITHOLE." To China, Africa is the "FUTURE." This says it ALL!
That Once Upon a Time story twist at the beginning was quite a hook. Looking forward to more content about China without all the prejudice and propaganda.
Yeah. I didn’t know that. It tells me that what China is offering Africa, it had found good enough for themselves. Not a lot of countries can, hand on heart, say the same.
I absolutely loved the connection with Ming dynasty. I am pro China development but even I had a lot of misunderstanding until I listened to professor
Thank you
Fascinating talk. Very informational. Fair evaluation of China's role in Africa rather than fear-mongering. Thank you!
I never finished school but understood her lecture all because I did some research.Thank you.
Good for you 😁Everything we ever need or want to know can never be taught in a classroom. An intelligent person such as yourself, commits their self to life long learning and can develop expertise in many areas.
We WANT China, Russia and even North Korea
Fairly Detailed presentation (in how she touched on most of the prevailing issues on China’s presence in Africa) on China’s commercial and economic interests in Africa but I disagree totally with her take on corruption and its impact. On the political front, better job could have been done in capturing some of the intricacies and dynamics that often eludes most us who are often sympathetic to a lot of the good economic and commercial work being done by China in Africa and as such allow that bias to get the best of us. One thing most concerning is that at times these loans secured by the wagering of some of these African nations resources, often are lost to corruption or fail to affect the needed change through mismanagement, waste, embezzlement and misappropriation of public funds. This is why I was surprised when she asserted that corruption is not or has not been a problem to Africa’s advancement. It makes one wonder how thorough some of the conclusions made here are. However, some valid and verifiable facts were made.Great job.
Deborah Brautigam's writing is embedded in excellent researched ma terials that penetrated the domination of western colonial imperial control of the economy
of Africa. Her inclusion of the cross-cultural East - West cultural practices is evident of the amazing peripheral scope of her books... a must buy for understanding 'Africa's
perception of the competition to influence Africa today. 1:02
China does not intefere with the domestic politics of sovereignties.
Within the exercise of her own right in the China Aid for Africa since the early 60s of Mao Tse Tung's time, China works with a balancing format for China is steeped in the cultivation of an egalitarian society.
But regime change of any kind where respect for sovereignty is
honoured, interferences in changing the politics and cultural norms are strictly HANDS-OFF where China's concerned. That's why China is Free of religion, beliefs,
ideology, gender bias etc.
Good stuff starting from 47:34. Start from there and you will have a totally different picture of what Deborah is talking about. Very interesting and illuminating stuff.
She said very simple things:
_ feed
_ clothe
_ shelter
The people
....
Not with one man one vote
Democracy
Since when was America’s decades old imperialistic oppression ever about altruism? Wtf bull**** is that? Lmao
That has always been America's narrative, take it with a grain of salt.
How many africans participated in this conference?
As an African, I am afraid to know that important issues on the continent have been analyzed by Americans, Europeans and Asians.
If I “thought again”, my conclusion would be that all of you are not interested in helping Africa achieve better solutions and results, but in your own interests.
This speech was uploaded 7 years ago, when there were still sanity left in US.
very comprehensive and non-MSM style "china/chinese" lecture. Still great after 6 years and enlightening. A comment on her answer to charity and missionaries. Although missionaries built schools and hospitals, the major different between that and Chinese built schools and hospitals, is that missionaries built for religion, and Chinese build schools for schools, build hospitals for hospitals.
It is a wonderful speech, just wonderful.👍 But the click, click, and click noises are from the two mics that keep knocking at each other every time when professor Bräutigam moves. The host could have done something about it during such a long, very informative, and very educative speech. 👎
Appreciate her insightful lecture !
why is there critic about china in africa from who is it
2% loans unmanageable? China has forced noone. The people that agree to work with belt and road are not stupid, this is their choice and stop hating
For my asian opinion, westerns are mostly misunderstand and underestimate chinese. Western knowledge and paradigm can not be applied with chinese philosophy.
Totally agree! Different mind sets
An interesting lecture. Thank you. I'm curious to know what IS the "West's aid architecture"?!
One word answer: PROPAGANDA.
@@JoseJBronze propaganda, devaluation, assassinations, schism in the polity and war if all else fails.
Slavery, then Charity
This was a wonderful lecture and I love the reliance on economic statistical data. There seems to be a disconnect between the American government and the expertise available in our great educational institutions.
yes, americans has the best institutes, the best scientists, the best media, the best everything except stupid politicians. It is maybe due to clever politicians must follow majority ordinary people. Unfortunately. eslites are only minority and fools are majority.
What if US in Africa? Is it ok? US wants hegemony. Is ot fair?
Since Africa is beginning to look 'delicious', I am beginning to wonder if China would be willing to assist Africa when it comes to "IMPROVING AFRICA'S MILITARY" 👍
China's already doing that. I forgot which country it was, but it adopted the Chinese military doctrine and has won numerous wars already.
@@jayliu6076 Thank you for that uplifting information 👍
@James Registe in that case, I am hoping that China embraces Africa as if Africa has been a long lost brother for centuries.
They should if only they know what's good for them. It's only obvious that the West would do what it does best - direct aggression if aggression by proxy fails, and then it'll be in China's interest that we should be able to defend ourselves.
@@ItopaAl Good point 👍
Sorry, Deborah, for my previous comments. I wrote it before I i HEARD THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION. Now, I realise that you gave the most comprehensive and complete picture of the realities. Understanding these chinese subtleties about how they conduct their businesses will help the US fashion better policies.
VERY INFORMATIVE. THANKS, MOST CHARMING LADY PROFESSOR. APPRECIATION FROM THE PHILIPPINES.
My parents who were very rich had an ivory Buddha in the hallway of their penthouse in Geneva. It was very old and incredibly beautiful. My mother, who was a Protestant used to sit in front of it for hours in the evening and I asked her what she was doing. She said it was obvious this Buddha had been carved with great love and that sitting in front of it and staring at the Buddhas face gave her a feeling of peace. She was a farm girl born in Yorkshire. 阿弥陀佛
JoachimderZweite Elephants had been killed for these kind of beautiful handcarved products, sad! 阿弥陀佛
Neo Iam Maybe that elephant died of old age.
More credit? Anytime someone volunteers to give you something and hardly knows you, you should question their motive.
Please allow me to try to explain this from understanding as a Chinese. US has been in dominant position in global economic for so long, that she takes resources, and production from other developing countries. What US is doing is printing currency in order to sustain such position and structure.
Any country or economic entity(including European Union) try to challenge it, will receive different kinds of punishments, including starting wars for no-reason, and Hollywood doing the best to beautify it, condemnation based on economics, customs and ideology, for which we didn't talk and focus on for decades. But as a rapidly developing country, China, is able to and probably the only one who's able to bring second choice to the rest of the world, we call it multi-polarism. Based on our tradition and culture as an ancient civilization, we are not interested in taking over the world at all.
Please let more people to realize it, stop hegemonism, give every country freedom in choosing their economic development, political structure. Especially give developing countries a chance to break such food-chain economic structure by allowing the existence of second choice.
There should be a podcast called Multipolarism. Maybe if we goog le on that, we'll find one & he'll tell truth!!
years ago coming out of south tip of sahara on my bicyles and there were three parallal n-s lines i saw and cound't forget. along the left side of newly paved road there was a transmission line that was under construction. on the other was the oil-pipe line. i knew the road and the transmission line were financed and build by the chinese. 2 years ago a friend in germany told me she went to tanzania to help out an european couple working for a ngo. the couple lived in a fortified house in a village and told her "its dangerous out there and do not go out of the house". so nothing did she.
in the Cairo conference prior to the end of the second world war, it was a period where it was semi-determinative that Germany has exhausted any potential path to a military victory, at the time, the US promised China the return of Taiwan. Then the US went back on their word, which outraged the Chinese for a while until they realised that the US never really cared and broke their promises all the time. Like the Iran nuclear deal, or the various UN Resolutions regarding Israel, or the Paris Accord. There is really no point to expect America to have honour as they merely used it as a way to get countries to lower their guard.
There has been a quantum shift in China's stance on the environment and damaging trade in things such as ivory. They have banned both trade and import of the latter and the market price has dropped 70%. Their business practices are much more aligned to UN SDG'S.
The sharing from Dr Deborah Brautigam is very informative and enlightening. Thanks for your valuable times sharing it to the world. This is the best sharing I ever heard 🤗
国内的喷子真应该看看这个视频，看看毛泽东的远见
I don't know what it says but since it's in Chinese I figure I'm going to like it anyway. So done with the West!
don't do it
@@ItopaAl He refers to the fact that some people in China don't like this China-Africa relationship and wanted the Chinese government to invest in Africa or sponsor Africans to study in China. He said thiese Arican haters in China should watch this video and think about Mao's great vision.
Missionaries have done a wonderful job.........mmmmh
What Brautigam said about aid and the (false) good intentions of the west: VERY true. aid doesn't bring development, it brings dependency.
But likewise, so does making unequal business partnerships, paying low wages, and creating indebtedness.
@Emma Munro
300 years of colonialism by the west resulted in nothing but looting, apartheid, and abject poverty when they finished with the looting.
You talk about low wages. Do you expect western wages? Who will ultimately pay back the cost of the high debt?
Indebtedness? Who is risking a lot of money, the borrower or the lender? Think about it.
@@emmamunro9386 Corporations in the US are making record profits. Are American workers benefitting from this? America thrives on debt. Keep your aid we want development.
But that’s the point though. If you think deeply about it, the reason why they keep doing it for decades even though it doesn’t work to spur development, and how hard it is to actually get the funds pledged under climate agreements etc that would go to SDG positive development and renewable energy, you gotta seriously consider the possibility that dependency is, in fact, the purpose.
I believe Miss Broutigam this time; the first time that I came across her talks on China, she made it her main theme to make jokes on China.. I was so surprised when she appeared on Naidoo's "HEAT" just a couple of weeks ago. In her early days she made it her main point that China exaggerates her size and importance of her contributions. Our Chinese people do not try tocourt world admiration, we do what we do for our own benefit. China does not need world admiration. This time around I can say for sure that Miss Broutigam speaks from her own experiences....she is cleansed of thaat annoying American hubris !
I respect her understanding of the issue she speaks of. The bias of the western view on Africa and China is illuminating.
Silly us and european crippled their business in Africa
The Chinese probably don't disclose much of their aid amount because they don't want to talk about it. They want others, most probably the recipients to talk about it. They don't want to brag.
Wow what a great lecture I learned soo much from her.
57 MINS BRILLIANT VIEW
China's role in Africa isn't perfect, but they have shamed us in terms of diplomacy.
not sure but I do believe you because u are fair pls explain fairly for we do not understand
she is a wise lady , she did a good objective research .
Very good overview on Chinese involvement in Africa
Africa never needed help but business partners. China you're most welcome for business..pamoja twende mbele🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪
When zheng ho a chinese eunuch general led an armada the size of which is bigger than that of the european's ships to explore the world. They reached various countries in africa but went there not to colonize but to trade. When they went home to china they brought with them goods traded from the various nations and a giraffe for their emperor. With the powerful fleet he brought along he could have defeated some of those small african tribes and enslaves them and brought some as tribute to the emperor but they didnt as the speaker pointed it out. Now when 1.2million more or less chinese stayed in several african nations bring no arms but their knowledge and money to invest, the westerns accused them of colonizing africa in mind. They should be ashamed and reflect who are the real african colonizers
We all have to admit: China Propaganda is still ZERO.
WESTERN PROPAGANDA is way way sophisticated. Western media are capable to make lies become truths
That's why in 2022 they are the most hated continent in africa, we don't have a soothing history with them, they better know their place or we will show them were to seat in the dark.
Even you said Taiwan was China 🇨🇳
China and Taiwan both agree it is one country. They only disagree who is in charge .
Can you tell who funded your research?
US help Africa countries improve human right standards so that people there can over throw their government to have better human rights and die in the process to have better human rights.
When listening to this lecture one wonders the openly neglecting the fact that Europe has had colonies and still under colonial influences on all aspects. China coming to the Modern threatening commercial aspect to USA has played very important part was through Kissingers PING-PONG diplomacy. Contemporary History should trustworthy for the White eurocentric colonial mighty might should meet Africans Africa with RESPECT which the Chinese fo
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Well done...very realistic and truthful presentation . Well researched. Non biased. She should be offering her services at the White House.
Very informative, instructive and educational.
I Only blame AFRICA leader for not building the living of it Citizens, wake up and free your self from mental slavery AFRICA
China does not have the historic baggage that the Western countries have
African Continent do not need any type of intervention from outside.
Since the policy of the US doesn't believe in diplomatic engagement with each & single nation in Africa. Dealing only with so called anchor states that mean ignores the sovereignty of the rest nations. China follows the International rules of respecting each and single sovereign country on dealing business while the westerns punishing multiple countries across the continent denying them from integrating the global economic. What do those countries can do other than welcome China? As the conflict in Africa? It's engineers are always the same people.
Just look at what happened when Dubai got to host the World Trade Expo. Although not in Africa, the organisers billed it as the ‘first to be held in a MENA (Middle East and North Africa) region’. It was also the first World Trade Expo that actually invited every country on earth, ie actually a *World* trade expo. Not only that every country no matter how small had its own pavilion and could host potential trade promotions independently without sharing with regional neighbours, the African Union had a pavilion separately just like the EU. At no point before this had any organiser probably even thought to do it. This is the way we want to treat each other, in the non-first world, only that most of us aren’t in a position to afford to. But we agree that this is what we wish. I’m not convinced that the developed world sees it as the table stakes that we do.
Important research doc. Bravo 👏.
Very informative.
This is the most comprehensive treatment I've seen - which is heartening. Picking a side and polarising the issue requires ignoring facts. The US needs to compete for benefit from Africa, by win-win benefit to Africa. Good to expose that the US is and has been doing what people 'blame' China for.
...And, Africa needs to get its act together too, African politicians and elite are selling out their people, and the mafia/nepotistic culture is at fault (veyond 'education').
I trust the 'Thousand Talents' project is not involved here. Politics for dominance lets the whole world loose. (Chinese roads built in Africa are so poor, they last only 6 months)
@HMSBlackPrince What kind of maintenance is needed for a high volume motorway of tarr on 1 foot of compacted soil and gravel? My guess is a redo... They promissed tarr highways, but not the specifications.
At 46:00 or so she talks about Hong Kong, and it's interesting. This must be why there's so much drama around whether or not Hong Kong is independent or China controls it. Billions of dollars move through there - it's about who gets to control this really strategically crucial bottleneck for capital flows.
@HMSBlackPrince gotcha! Informative comment, thank you. Yeah I'm always looking for the underlying economic mechanisms for why geopolitics happens the way it does.
Very good points about What China has done in Africa.
Thanks Deborah for telling the facts.
from my obseravtions after watching both the contents and the comments section of hundreds of videos about China, Internet really has created a very divided world, from both pro and anti sides, people are really equally extreme, ranting and bashing anything that disobey their belief. I'm just a college graduate, i deeply know that i'm no where close to be able to speak for anybody or on anything, but i think the least and best i can do is to observe and analyze then i can summarize some characteristics profile that help me better understand netizens from all kinds of social and political backgrounds. I think to understand the world, we can always start from observation.
This is a US propaganda video; very subtly putting down China and glamourising US:
1. While the world is admiring what China's unique win-win approach helping Africa with its infrastructure projects, she pointed out China learnt it from receiving similar aids from Japan; a country beaten and surrendered to the US.
2. She then pointed out China used African countries to get things its way with world organisations, like their votes on WTO.
3. She went on and said the money US gave to Africa are humanitarian aids, unconditional charities; while the money from China are loans.
Fair and realistic analyse of the situation
China was emerging from conflict? More like it was emerging from nearly a century of colonization, exploitation and underdevelopment (I'm using that last term as a verb), at the hands of the Western Powers.
The fact that this woman reads "Foreign Affairs," tells you all that you need to know about her jumping-off point. Then she talks about Chinese goods flooding markets. Yeah, American companies would rather Africa remain underdeveloped so that American companies could flood African markets with their overproduced goods.
And overpriced too, considering they come to Africa and cart off our resources for a song after devaluating our currencies and fixing it so that we will never repay our debts.
pls understand
Very good talk.
May God bless the China and Africa union.
Does anyone know where we can have access to all of these charts that were used in the presentation? Looks like very valuable information that's presented clearly.
Thank you that's a lot of insights. Amazing presentation very informative!
I agree with marcia
If we checked all historical documents, and look at the rise and fall of African and Chinese Empires, there has never been a war between the Africans and the Chinese.
As a matter of fact, all they were recorded doing was entertainment, business and education.
Haha the secret of our race is discovered by you ~ we also like growing vegetables 🤣
fuck aid let the people stand on their own feet hard work is the only way
No food coming out of Africa to China? Pakistanis were pressured to hand a rice growing swat of land so that China can grow rice for the Chinese, (for example). According to South Asia news
missionaries...ask the late Jomo kenyatta. they came with the bible told us to close our eyes and pray. when we opened our eyes we had the bible and they had the land.
Fred Schwentafsky Then they left and your still poor. Ha ha ha.
Better be poor but free we enjoy our poverty
@@proudkuffar9890 You are a fool. You came here to troll and not to gain information and knowledge. Grow up!!!!
Western missionary the most dangerous lol
If I told you that most aid to Africa from China was for humanitarian and education development, while aid from US/EU is for infrastructure to better exploit resources, would you be surprised? You should be, because the fact is just the opposite, and if you thought otherwise, your prejudice exposes an irrational hostiliy to Europeans and their diaspora.
***** yeah but its different times so get with it or sit down
If the Europeans did not create the humanitarian crisis in the first place there wouldn't be a need for humanitarian aid. Times have changed. We are in the business of developing Africa so we are chosing to do our business with those that do not patronize us with their great white hope mentality.
Well, since Europe had already done the second one during the colonial period, and China had built the Zambia-Tanzania railway which didn’t route resources to China, it’s hard to say. The Colonial Age European infrastructure is one reason why intra-Africa trade is much less than trade between African countries to non-Africa. The existing infrastructure was built to route the resources out of the continent, not trade within the continent, so the former remains a lot cheaper than the latter, at least until some of these Chinese funded infrastructure will be completed.
Any countries can help Africa too
china is keeping cost down through automation
Now end of US and Europeans Era. And start of Asian Era. And would come later African Era.Every dog has a day.