@ 1:31:00 "To those who don't believe in rebirth, how do you explain Dependent Origination, when one cycle needs minimum 2, maximum 3 lifetimes?" (from memory) Well, I explain it very easy. The "three lifetimes explanation" actually never made any sense to me at all. Are we talking about geological or human time scale when we talk Dependent Origination? Consider this: Dependent Origination doesn't require 3 lifetimes to complete one cycle; it is lightning fast : when my mind starts burning in hatred or in rage or in jealousy, at that very moment my mind becomes Hell realm. If I act while my mind is in this state, whatever I was until this moment that version of me will cease, disappear, "die", and a new version of me will be born: Demon-me. Everyone around me can witness this death of the old me, and the birth of the Demon-me. When I stop acting as a Demon, my mind will cool down, exit the Hell realm, and the Demon-me will cease - "die". What my next "birth" wil be, that depends on what I do next and how I do it and how that doing will change my mental state. In dependence on that, my next "birth" will be decided. So "death" and "birth" happen all the time in exactly this way - sometimes I am a human, sometimes an animal, other tines a demon or hungry ghost. So, when anger was burning in my mind, I didn't have to wait 50 years to die, enter the coffin, be buried, and only then to be reborn as a Demon - no, it happened straight away with lightning speed. These psychological births and deaths, these are the births and deaths we should concern ourselves with; it is these that we can influence right here and now - not after death, in a thousand next lives. It is here and now that we decide whether we will live our lives as demons, or hungry ghosts, or humans... As for the biological birth and the related death of this organism , those happen once and that's all there is to it. We cannot not be born, and we cannot not die, so why wory about it? Our attention is needed in all the births and deaths we undergo in-between these two terminal points. --- Here are the 8 links of Dependent Origination when Ignorance is in the background: 1,2,3: When a sense organ meets its object, consciousness arises - this 3 are Contact 4: When contact is present, feeling arises 5: When feeling is present, craving arises 6: When craving is present, clinging arises 7: When clinging is present, becoming arises 8: When becoming is present, "birth" of the sensed object as "me, mine" arises. What is really being born is Ignorance, reinforced, and priming the next cycle of Samsara... --- See? Absolutely no need for "rebirth after death" to explain how ignorance coupled with ignorant feelings and craving are keeping us in Samsara through Dependent Origination . 3 of the 12 links are afflictions (ignorance, clinging, craving) 2 of the 12 links are kamma (mental formations, becoming) 7 remaining linksare all suffering (sukha-dukkha) From 3 come 2; from 2 come 7; from 7 come 3 again... Repeating in lightning speed, right in this very lifetime.
It is wonderful to live now when the Buddhist philosophy that was formerly only common among venerable monks and nuns is now shared openly to lay people. Spreading not just the idea that there is a wheel of dharma, but the many subtle philosophical ideas around it. Also wonderful is the ecumenical spirit among monks representing different traditions. I've helped out on technical duties presenting venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi for the Buddhist Global Relief events and then as now it is always a pleasure to hear him speak.
Very clear and an excellent teacher. I really appreciate him so ,much because of his skill and humility. I love to listen to him because I learn so much better.
Thank you, bhante, for clarifying dependent origination, non-self and emptiness. Wonderful to be listening to this talk again a year later. So much wisdom to absorb. Thank you, bhante.
IMHO, Dukkha is not "unsatisfactoriness", satisfactiory or unsatisfactory are feelings - vedana - and vedana is NOT a mark of existence. The Three Marks of Existence are not vedana. Just like how Anicca and Anatta are "facts of life", the way things are, so is the third mark - Dukkha. It's neither satisfactory or unsatisfactory, it is simply the way things are. So then what is Dukkha? Dukkha is the tendency of all assembled causes (therefore of all phenomena) towards falling apart, drifting away from each other. What is concentrated tends to deconcentrate. And what is deconcentrated, evenly distributed in space and time tends to stay that way - unless causes force a concentration. Dukkha is Entropy.
I am familiar with both Ven. Bhante Punnaji's and Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi's explanation. It's a challenge to explain dependent origination at all, let alone to a wide audience. I think they both do wonderful work, yet they bring their own perspectives and choices to the teachings. My sense is that Ven. Punnaji is concerned with a line of reasoning. Ven. Bodhi seeks a global structural representation. He answers one question with specific reference to the kammic perspective of the structure of cause and effect. Just my take, anyway, and benefit from both
Yes there is a type of enlightened Buddha called pacceka Buddha or solitary Buddha who is enlightened but do not have the merits of being a teacher. See to make others especially masses of people listen to you you should possess some kind of pedigree or reputation. If a criminal became enlightened it would be still very hard to convince people with whatever he is teaching because he has lost his relevancy in the society. So therefore some people may just become a Buddha but can’t teach, not because he can’t but more because no one is prepared to listen to him. Also there is a possibility some great teachers may not be enlightened because you can be a scholar with great scripture knowledge and expound the teachings very well intellectually. However, a Buddha is not someone who knows the scriptures but someone who has directly experienced it himself. A scholar can have knowledge but enlightened beings have realized wisdom.
There are at least 5 existing ways so called "Dependent Origination" has been interpreted and explained. Personally I found Ven. Bhante Punnajis explanation unmatched by any other teacher the only problem is that it is incredibly subtle and hard to see and Bhante was quite old when he (thankfully) decided to speak out about it. ua-cam.com/video/zkWPn5malB4/v-deo.html
@Shambhala hi! could you kindly elaborate more on your below sentences ,thank you, 👉👉👉👉" Of course we exist, We just don't exist in the way we apparently do. We apoint the five skandhas as karmical conglomerate. "👈👈👈👈
@Shambhala There is one of the wrong-view called " no cassaṁ, no ca me siyā, nābhavissa, na me bhavissatī’”ti ( I might not be, and it might not be mine. I will not be, and it will not be mine) ☝ ☝this view Buddha said that it's a supremely view of outside Buddhist(not a right view in Buddhist). and this is annihilationists-view (ucchedavādā) the meanig of 👉 ( I might not be, and it might not be mine. I will not be, and it will not be mine) is, we are really not exist at all, whether 5aggregates appear or no more either in this world, in future world or between the worlds. they don't see 5aggregates as selves but futyremore, they seen that they don't exist at all. feeling of " self "...is natural ... " I, We, They... "..in actual is not true - not exist. you may consider look into detail of this type of view.
Oh, I want to battle You, Bikkhu Bodhi in the Dhammapada. Do you know why You should not drink water when You are dieing? Did Buddha prepare you well???
@@y9w1 Because the brain of a dieing person who is already restricting water not even to say about food is lots of hormones just as morphines that are eliminating the body pain. It helps a dieing person to go peaceful and painlessly. So do not try to offer a person water, as he is on his dieing bed and as he refuses it.
@@Koettnylle I understand dieing better. It is actually not allowed to give water to a person who is near death. If Buddhists don't know that, then their education is not complete... But can destroy everything because it is not complete.
@ 1:31:00 "To those who don't believe in rebirth, how do you explain Dependent Origination, when one cycle needs minimum 2, maximum 3 lifetimes?" (from memory)
Well, I explain it very easy.
The "three lifetimes explanation" actually never made any sense to me at all. Are we talking about geological or human time scale when we talk Dependent Origination?
Consider this:
Dependent Origination doesn't require 3 lifetimes to complete one cycle; it is lightning fast : when my mind starts burning in hatred or in rage or in jealousy, at that very moment my mind becomes Hell realm.
If I act while my mind is in this state, whatever I was until this moment that version of me will cease, disappear, "die", and a new version of me will be born: Demon-me. Everyone around me can witness this death of the old me, and the birth of the Demon-me.
When I stop acting as a Demon, my mind will cool down, exit the Hell realm, and the Demon-me will cease - "die". What my next "birth" wil be, that depends on what I do next and how I do it and how that doing will change my mental state. In dependence on that, my next "birth" will be decided.
So "death" and "birth" happen all the time in exactly this way - sometimes I am a human, sometimes an animal, other tines a demon or hungry ghost.
So, when anger was burning in my mind, I didn't have to wait 50 years to die, enter the coffin, be buried, and only then to be reborn as a Demon - no, it happened straight away with lightning speed.
These psychological births and deaths, these are the births and deaths we should concern ourselves with; it is these that we can influence right here and now - not after death, in a thousand next lives. It is here and now that we decide whether we will live our lives as demons, or hungry ghosts, or humans...
As for the biological birth and the related death of this organism , those happen once and that's all there is to it. We cannot not be born, and we cannot not die, so why wory about it? Our attention is needed in all the births and deaths we undergo in-between these two terminal points.
---
Here are the 8 links of Dependent Origination when Ignorance is in the background:
1,2,3: When a sense organ meets its object, consciousness arises - this 3 are Contact
4: When contact is present, feeling arises
5: When feeling is present, craving arises
6: When craving is present, clinging arises
7: When clinging is present, becoming arises
8: When becoming is present, "birth" of the sensed object as "me, mine" arises.
What is really being born is Ignorance, reinforced, and priming the next cycle of Samsara...
---
See? Absolutely no need for "rebirth after death" to explain how ignorance coupled with ignorant feelings and craving are keeping us in Samsara through Dependent Origination .
3 of the 12 links are afflictions (ignorance, clinging, craving)
2 of the 12 links are kamma (mental formations, becoming)
7 remaining linksare all suffering (sukha-dukkha)
From 3 come 2; from 2 come 7; from 7 come 3 again... Repeating in lightning speed, right in this very lifetime.
This talk is so clear and easy to grasp. Thank you so much to Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi and your staff for posting it.
👍👍👍🙏🙏❤️🙏🙏🙏
Emaho!
It is wonderful to live now when the Buddhist philosophy that was formerly only common among venerable monks and nuns is now shared openly to lay people. Spreading not just the idea that there is a wheel of dharma, but the many subtle philosophical ideas around it.
Also wonderful is the ecumenical spirit among monks representing different traditions.
I've helped out on technical duties presenting venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi for the Buddhist Global Relief events and then as now it is always a pleasure to hear him speak.
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Blazing Dhamma from Bhante Bodhi ! For the benefit of all 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
21:18 Theravada vs Mahayana traditional - similar; 58:00 questions about differences; 1:18:54 Theravada - boddhicitta
Very clear and an excellent teacher. I really appreciate him so ,much because of his skill and humility. I love to listen to him because I learn so much better.
Thank you, bhante, for clarifying dependent origination, non-self and emptiness.
Wonderful to be listening to this talk again a year later. So much wisdom to absorb. Thank you, bhante.
Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu … thank you all for this profound yet simply explaining of Paticca Samuppada 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
IMHO, Dukkha is not "unsatisfactoriness", satisfactiory or unsatisfactory are feelings - vedana - and vedana is NOT a mark of existence.
The Three Marks of Existence are not vedana. Just like how Anicca and Anatta are "facts of life", the way things are, so is the third mark - Dukkha. It's neither satisfactory or unsatisfactory, it is simply the way things are.
So then what is Dukkha?
Dukkha is the tendency of all assembled causes (therefore of all phenomena) towards falling apart, drifting away from each other. What is concentrated tends to deconcentrate. And what is deconcentrated, evenly distributed in space and time tends to stay that way - unless causes force a concentration.
Dukkha is Entropy.
As usual Bhante Bodhi does a phenomenal job at teaching a challenging topic.
Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu 🙏
Thank you of Said 😇
I am familiar with both Ven. Bhante Punnaji's and Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi's explanation. It's a challenge to explain dependent origination at all, let alone to a wide audience. I think they both do wonderful work, yet they bring their own perspectives and choices to the teachings. My sense is that Ven. Punnaji is concerned with a line of reasoning. Ven. Bodhi seeks a global structural representation. He answers one question with specific reference to the kammic perspective of the structure of cause and effect. Just my take, anyway, and benefit from both
Great teachers. Enlightening talk by both teachers. I was wondering, how profound the Buddha’s teachings are. 🙏🙏🙏
Sadhu sadhu sadhu
Thank you!
I want to like this video but its at 777 right now and i can't bear to break the symmetry 😊
Clearly still have attachments.
Thank you, bhante, for clarifying dependent origination
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🙏🙏🙏👍 May paying homage to the great Venerable PhraAjahn....❤your Dharma talk is so wonderful worthy benefit 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you, Venerable
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Valuable upload.
thank you for making this available 🙌
Thankyou thankyou
Happy blessings -
I could listen to this all day.
36:12 😳
Can a monk get enlightened without knowing how to teach and can a great teacher of the Dhamma not know how to become enlightened?
Yes there is a type of enlightened Buddha called pacceka Buddha or solitary Buddha who is enlightened but do not have the merits of being a teacher. See to make others especially masses of people listen to you you should possess some kind of pedigree or reputation. If a criminal became enlightened it would be still very hard to convince people with whatever he is teaching because he has lost his relevancy in the society. So therefore some people may just become a Buddha but can’t teach, not because he can’t but more because no one is prepared to listen to him.
Also there is a possibility some great teachers may not be enlightened because you can be a scholar with great scripture knowledge and expound the teachings very well intellectually. However, a Buddha is not someone who knows the scriptures but someone who has directly experienced it himself. A scholar can have knowledge but enlightened beings have realized wisdom.
Wish I could grasp this advance golden dharma.
Shorter, appropriate subtitled version : ua-cam.com/video/cb4cKTsOAY4/v-deo.html
I wonder whether the audience has enough grasp of the English language to follow the presentation... 🤔
Extremely difficult to hear clearly. Attempting to use captioning but haven’t found it as helpful as I’d hoped as captioning isn’t correct ..... :(
Thank you Bhindu 🙏
Vandami bhante ji
Sadhu, Sadhu,Sadhu
Good teaching
58:47
There are at least 5 existing ways so called "Dependent Origination" has been interpreted and explained. Personally I found Ven. Bhante Punnajis explanation unmatched by any other teacher the only problem is that it is incredibly subtle and hard to see and Bhante was quite old when he (thankfully) decided to speak out about it. ua-cam.com/video/zkWPn5malB4/v-deo.html
Have you heard Ajahn Buddhadasa’s explanation?
@SurvivorNow bla bla bla
@SurvivorNow well whatever
@ธรรมวงศ์bartholomew
What the hell are you on about ?
Please take your word salad and poke it where the Sun don't shine
@@SunMoon-op1cc "there is no mind there is only body"....my god theravada has completely degenerated
Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu!
5 aggregates are not " self "
@Shambhala sadhu, that is the right view. without " person who face the suffer(dhukkha) "....then Buddhist is no meaning.
@Shambhala hi! could you kindly elaborate more on your below sentences ,thank you, 👉👉👉👉" Of course we exist, We just don't exist in the way we apparently do. We apoint the five skandhas as karmical conglomerate. "👈👈👈👈
@Shambhala do you meant we as one thing and 5 aggregates as another thing ?
@Shambhala There is one of the wrong-view called
" no cassaṁ, no ca me siyā, nābhavissa, na me bhavissatī’”ti
( I might not be, and it might not be mine. I will not be, and it will not be mine)
☝
☝this view Buddha said that it's a supremely view of outside Buddhist(not a right view in Buddhist).
and this is annihilationists-view (ucchedavādā)
the meanig of 👉
( I might not be, and it might not be mine.
I will not be, and it will not be mine)
is, we are really not exist at all, whether 5aggregates appear or no more either in this world, in future world or between the worlds.
they don't see 5aggregates as selves but futyremore, they seen that they don't exist at all.
feeling of " self "...is natural ... " I, We, They... "..in actual is not true - not exist.
you may consider look into detail of this type of view.
@Shambhala well! Have a nice day, too
What is this teachers name? He looks enlightened
Bhikkhu Bodhi, renowned author of several buddhism books.
this discussion at which location?
May it is in varanasi up India.
Central Institute of Higher Tibetan Studies (CIHTS) in Varanasi, India
can I enroll there to learn Tibetan culture? PS I'm a student
Oh, I want to battle You, Bikkhu Bodhi in the Dhammapada. Do you know why You should not drink water when You are dieing? Did Buddha prepare you well???
?????
@@y9w1 Because the brain of a dieing person who is already restricting water not even to say about food is lots of hormones just as morphines that are eliminating the body pain. It helps a dieing person to go peaceful and painlessly. So do not try to offer a person water, as he is on his dieing bed and as he refuses it.
@@zamfiramiheli4717 Have you won the battle now? What did you win?
@@Koettnylle Yes, I did actually. Bhikkhu Bodhi actually lost this battle. I won respect.
@@Koettnylle I understand dieing better. It is actually not allowed to give water to a person who is near death. If Buddhists don't know that, then their education is not complete... But can destroy everything because it is not complete.