Edmund Fitzgerald, on the way down, from the SS Schoonmaker

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  • @Darkside-sj3mo
    @Darkside-sj3mo 11 місяців тому +145

    Former great lakes sailor here, most likely nobody survived the trip to the bottom. In the bow, any water tight spaces were so distorted upon impact with the bottom, that they filled with water pretty quickly. The bow imploded, and all structures were bent past being efective in keeping water out, not to mention the force of the impact, and the sudden pressure change from surface to lake bottom. In the stern, most crew members were killed during the roll, especially in the engine room, as its all steel, with plenty of heavy loose objects flying around. IF someone were to survive the roll, the rush of water that occurred upon hitting the lake bottom for the same reasons as the bow, pressure change, cabins crushed, etc. The lights most likely were off before she hit bottom, due to the steam turbine being inverted, the rush of water into the stack and ventilation, among other things. Its also highly likely that an explosion occured from the near freezing water hitting the hot boilers and other machinery. The ster would show little evidence of this explosion, as it occured in a very structurally spound enclosed engineroom. While this may seem terrible, i find peace in these pieces of information, because a sudden death beats suffering for god knows how long in the dark. Ive sailed aboard boats that were built in the same decade as the fitz, and were even closer in design to the fitz.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +25

      Wow...thanks for this information. I definitely learned some things from you. Geez...even to delay death until they hit the bottom is too long. Thanks for your very-well thought out comments...so appreciated. Stop by anytime. Merry Christmas...HMM

    • @Darkside-sj3mo
      @Darkside-sj3mo 11 місяців тому +10

      @@HistoryMysteryMan MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    • @jordanjohnson7285
      @jordanjohnson7285 11 місяців тому +9

      There’s a chance they survived. There was a man off the coast of Africa who survived for 3 days on the bottom of the ocean. He was 100 feet down.

    • @Darkside-sj3mo
      @Darkside-sj3mo 11 місяців тому

      @jordanjohnson7285 I'm aware of that sinking, it was much less violent in nature, and a smaller more modern vessel than the Fitz, a lot more likely to remain air tight. The force of the fitzgeralds sinking compromised every structure.

    • @tompelley8217
      @tompelley8217 11 місяців тому +7

      @@jordanjohnson7285 if I'm not mistaken he was actually about 200 ft down. Divers found him while surveying the wreck three days later.

  • @georgeadams8230
    @georgeadams8230 11 місяців тому +39

    Great video. Its terrifying to think those men might not have died quickly but knew what was happening, rest in peace.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +10

      It certainly is...and how terrified they would have been. I can't imagine. To the 29 men...may they rest in peace. Thanks George. HMM

  • @30AndHatingIt
    @30AndHatingIt 11 місяців тому +27

    My grandfather was a First Mate on these freighters in the Kinsman fleet for over 30 years. They went out the night the Fitz went down but hugged the shoreline. He died in 99, the song played at his funeral. His last ship, the Kinsman Independent, is still out there under the name Ojibway. I hope to take a ride on it someday and see his old cabin. He was a great man and arguably the most popular guy in the fleet. I went on a Facebook group hoping to maybe find one person who might have remembered him… and one of the very first posts I saw was a photo of him that they were sharing!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +6

      Whoa! Now this so cool. Thanks for sharing these stories here. I hope you get your ride sometime soon. Your grandfather would have been a great interview. Thanks for watching...HMM

    • @30AndHatingIt
      @30AndHatingIt 11 місяців тому +5

      @@HistoryMysteryMan He was a legend out there, but at home in a sleepy little rural town south of Buffalo, he was just a great grandpa to me. I wish I could share pictures on UA-cam! Someone from a newspaper in Wisconsin actually wants to write an article on him! Anyway, thanks for the videos. Take care!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +3

      "A legend out there, but at home...just a grandpa to me." I love that!@@30AndHatingIt

  • @Kaiserzeit1871
    @Kaiserzeit1871 10 місяців тому +12

    Very interesting. I would never have thought that these ships were so luxuriously equipped. The Schoonmaker is an impressive piece of history.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +2

      Sure is...thanks for taking the time to watch. HMM

  • @mustangmike4078
    @mustangmike4078 11 місяців тому +18

    Great job HMM! Love the museum and especially the Schoonmaker. It's so cool that visiting never gets old to me. I'd like to look in to volunteering time and services at the museum sometime. I've been claiming to be a proud Toledoan all my life. Toledo has everything you need. It's not too big nor too small. To all the people I've heard piss and moan over the years I say if you think the grass is greener elsewhere then by all means go right ahead. I'll be just fine and dandy right here.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      I'm with you mustangmike...I love Toledo; it's my hometown. Kinda like a big small town. We have the Maumee, the Great Lakes and so much more. I know our tour guide was completely volunteer, as are many of the guides at the museum. Thanks again, my friend...HMM

  • @adriannegrillo8394
    @adriannegrillo8394 11 місяців тому +18

    Beautiful job showing and explaining. It makes me sad to this day the events that took place that awful day!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +3

      I know...it's so sad. But we need to remember the men. Thanks for your support...HMM

  • @apancher
    @apancher 11 місяців тому +42

    God, I never thought about the fact that the crew of the Fitzgerald were probably in their cabins, and had time to think about what was happening. That had to be horrifying.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +10

      Beyond terrifying...it's hard to think about. Thanks for watching...HMM

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +4

      Oh that's terrible. I can't imagine how terrifying.@bjmicha3

    • @jessicahitchens6926
      @jessicahitchens6926 11 місяців тому +4

      That's just speculation. I don't buy Pearl Harbour as a surprise attack either.

    • @brentmiller3951
      @brentmiller3951 11 місяців тому +2

      They made it almost 3 weeks and they could hear them tapping as on the hull .

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Whoa!@@brentmiller3951

  • @garymckee8857
    @garymckee8857 11 місяців тому +11

    These ships are fascinating and thanks for the video 🙂

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      You're welcome Gary...thanks for taking the time to watch. HMM

  • @vikingmike8139
    @vikingmike8139 10 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for this lovely 'tag along' on a wonderful day in Toledo Ohio. Cheers!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      You're welcome...glad you could join us! Thanks...HMM

    • @vikingmike8139
      @vikingmike8139 10 місяців тому +1

      @@HistoryMysteryMan I have never been to Toledo Ohio. But after [your] very personal tour, very cool BTW, I think a trip out that way is in a future plan of the making. And afterwards, a nice burger and fries at that restaurant in the video sounds good also. Cheers! 😊

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      Tony Packos! The newly renovated riverfront at the National Museum of the Great Lakes is amazing to go with everything! Thanks again...HMM@@vikingmike8139

    • @vikingmike8139
      @vikingmike8139 10 місяців тому +1

      @@HistoryMysteryMan Cheers! 🍔🍟🌮🍧😊

  • @selftappersantractorflappe5026
    @selftappersantractorflappe5026 11 місяців тому +9

    I loved the video and information keeping history alive! Only trouble I had was the Fitzgeralds hatch clamps were in fact different, but glad they have tours and people interested in the history!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Duly noted; thanks for sharing your input here! HMM

  • @robertayers9424
    @robertayers9424 11 місяців тому +5

    Excellent insight and information. Thanks for taking us along on the tour. I enjoyed both versions of the video and am glad you didn't remove the bell at the end. Thanks again!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      Thanks Robert...appreciate that. I hated taking the old video down because I lost all the credit and comments but I think it was the right thing to do. Merry Christmas! HMM

  • @greggrauscher34
    @greggrauscher34 5 місяців тому +2

    I watched this video in the winter, but decided to watch it again because I will be visiting the National Museum of the Great Lakes in August and wanted to get a bit of preview. I can't wait to be on board the Schoonmaker. It's such a beautiful ship and the restoration and the subsequent upkeep look really good. It was interesting how the tour guide discussed the similarities with the Fitz. When I see the Frontenac I always think about the similarities she shares with the Fitz, most notably they are almost identical in length.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for checking back in with this video. That's huge when someone takes the time to rewatch! HMM

  • @ctg6734
    @ctg6734 11 місяців тому +5

    I think that is what spooks me the most about the Fitz's sinking, imagining what the final moments of the men in the stern section as it went down was like.

  • @bradystalbaum2392
    @bradystalbaum2392 11 місяців тому +5

    Wow that’s awesome! Thanks for sharing, I’m going to put that in my list of places to visit.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Brady...and yes, please come see the museum! HMM

  • @RAV1953
    @RAV1953 11 місяців тому +2

    WOW!! Thank you HMM, another "home run" video!!

  • @ScreamingSVTcobra03
    @ScreamingSVTcobra03 11 місяців тому +3

    I plan on getting here in spring . Great video

  • @aaronbinner3727
    @aaronbinner3727 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for a great video! I want to visit that ship soon!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      You're welcome Aaron; thanks for watching...HMM

  • @hollywheeler2925
    @hollywheeler2925 11 місяців тому +3

    I love waking up in the morning and seeing that you have posted another one of your amazing videos I fix me a cup of coffee and settle down for another awesome day with you Thank You So Much For All You Do On All These Interesting Videos Please Keep Up The Amazing Work Thank You Again 💯💯💯!!!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      You are so welcome Holly...so many thanks! That's a huge compliment for me...for you to share your coffee with me and my videos. Totally honored! HMM

  • @danielmcfadden1
    @danielmcfadden1 11 місяців тому +3

    Very nice tour and video! I got excited when I heard the name Snyder and the Shenango Furnace, I grew up in Sharpsville, PA…. I’ve recently been studying up on all the history of the blast furnaces and steel mills in our area…. Sharpsville, Sharon, Farrell and Youngstown area….Thank you for your work and this amazing video!!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      You're welcome Daniel; I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. I appreciate you. HMM

  • @tmayer0009
    @tmayer0009 11 місяців тому +2

    I have to go back to see the whole ship again. Thanks History Mystery Man for taking the bell sound out, even though it was a cool sound like the ship was talking!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      You're welcome! I hated deleting the video because I lost all the credit and comments, but I think it was the right thing to do. Thanks for your feedback. HMM

  • @ericferguson22ef
    @ericferguson22ef 11 місяців тому +2

    My dad was just talking about visiting this freighter earlier this week. Lol. Thanks HMM.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      You're always welcome Eric...stop by anytime. Thanks for your support...HMM

  • @waynestock2006
    @waynestock2006 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video. The wind in the background is eerie; love it! I'm going to have to take a vacation to Toledo and check this out!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely...come to Toledo! You'll love it! HMM

  • @levelmemes3625
    @levelmemes3625 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for your teams work on these videos.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Only wish I had a team. It's all me, soup to nuts. Thanks for your support, and Happy New Year! HMM

    • @levelmemes3625
      @levelmemes3625 11 місяців тому +1

      @HistoryMysteryMan Thank you. Your work means a lot and is much appreciated for the communities and humanity. My apologies. Thank you for your work and everyone who are in these videos. I'm all for understanding: ships, planes, and automobiles. Shipwrecks, plane wrecks, seas, lakes, rivers, and oceans. Lake michigan triangle with the loss of an airplane. My condolences to all who were lost from shipwrecks and other wrecks. Happy New Year and holidays to you. Thank you.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      No apologies necessary. I really appreciate you; thanks for being here. HMM@@levelmemes3625

  • @LyleJr
    @LyleJr 11 місяців тому +4

    Just took the tour of the schoonmaker and museum for the first time this last summer

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      It's a super-cool tour; glad you could make it happen. Thanks...HMM

  • @kathleen5678
    @kathleen5678 9 місяців тому +1

    Can’t wait to see everything at the museum.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  9 місяців тому +1

      Yeah...you'll love it. Also, spend some time and walk though the newly-renovated park where the Museum sits...along the Maumee River. You won't be disappointed. Thanks for your support, Kathleen! HMM

  • @ericpieper1704
    @ericpieper1704 11 місяців тому +6

    The Great Lakes Museum is a must see if you are interested in the lakes and the history of them etc.

  • @ohnoohyeah3205
    @ohnoohyeah3205 11 місяців тому +2

    Always fascinating stuff, thank you! I'll honk again for Christmas en route from Benson, NC to St. Clair Shores, MI. Merry Christmas!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the salute...I remember us going through this exchange last year. Merry Christmas my friend; thanks for coming back. HMM

  • @keithbaker1635
    @keithbaker1635 11 місяців тому +8

    Unfortunately, water would have gotten, in through the ventilation system, through the air ducts and, also in the windlass room. Because the anchor haws pipes are NOT water tight, so we can pack the openings and put the covers on over the hole but it's open at the top for the chain to fit though. Here on my boat the Arthur M. Anderson, we get water up the haws pipes all the time if it's a heavy sea, But! We do have drains in the far back corners that drain right out over the side through the deck. So if their surfing down the lake and that bow keeps getting pushed down in the water, it'll shoot water up those drains and haws pipes, if it doesn't have a chance to drain back out it will flood the windlass room and down the stairs into the laundry room. So it would have been beneficial to have had someone who sailed these boats to have been on all of the dives, that way we would have known where to check and look to see if inner doors and hatch openings to the lower inside decks were closed. If they weren't then that would have added to the bown riding low in the water too

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 11 місяців тому +4

      It certainly didn't help with the water rushing in the haws pipes. I remember on the Joesph Franze, how much water would come in during rough Seas. The Fitzgerald was in much more heavy seas
      than we were, so, add the extra water up forward, Ballast Tanks compromised and a snow squall to boot! The cards were stacked against her!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +3

      Interesting insight Keith; thanks for sharing your thoughts here. Do you know where the Anderson will lay-up for the winter? Can I get aboard?

    • @TillerG7
      @TillerG7 8 місяців тому +1

      @@HistoryMysteryManI think the Anderson lays up in Duluth, MN during the winter months. A buddy of mine is a charter fishing Capt in Duluth and also works at the Port Authority. I’ll ask him for ya and report back when I find out.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  8 місяців тому

      @@TillerG7 Thanks...I believe the Anderson is laying up in Superior, Wis. this year. HMM

    • @philipkilcrease3521
      @philipkilcrease3521 23 дні тому

      @@keithbaker1635 question from Florida, are the ballast tanks always empty when returning with cargo holds full? Or are there circumstances where the cargo may shift that require ballast to level the ship?

  • @countryracer69
    @countryracer69 11 місяців тому +10

    I gotta go to Toledo right after Christmas. I wish I had to time to do that tour. Man I felt like there was probably certain smells that couldn't translate to video. Thanks for further fueling my obsession with the Edmond Fitzgerald

    • @gregorylyon1004
      @gregorylyon1004 11 місяців тому +4

      I could easily write an essay on the Fitzgerald. That boat had no chance of survival in that storm in my opinion. Too many things went wrong. That's why it's on the bottom of Lake Superior

    • @patrickwatrin5093
      @patrickwatrin5093 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@gregorylyon1004 do you think she scraped bottom on six fathom shoals?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      You're welcome! And thanks for your support! HMM

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Yes I do believe she went aground at six fathom shoals...thanks. HMM

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      If you write your essay, I'll read it! Thanks again...HMM

  • @geralderdek282
    @geralderdek282 11 місяців тому +3

    I've been very enlightened by your video as I always thought those freighters were dirty grimey places to live and work on. Never knew they could be so elegant inside, especially for the officers!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +3

      No doubt. The work that went into building those old freighters was second to none...the woodwork, the artists that did the work...it really is amazing. Thanks Gerald...HMM

  • @gregwhite7957
    @gregwhite7957 11 місяців тому +4

    Thanks for another informational video HMM. How terrible that must of been for the crew. God bless. Merry Christmas everyone. Take care and stay safe.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Thanks again, Greg. A safe and Merry Christmas to you and yours...HMM

  • @marioparedes4936
    @marioparedes4936 9 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video, working on push boats on the gulf coast the woodwork is beautiful, the newer boats that I've been on don't have that, and the tribute to the crewmembers is respectful, on my bucket list to visit this museum

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  9 місяців тому

      Awesome...ever work with Captain Randy Williams? I love those old push boats. If things go well, I'm going to take a ride on the Mississippi this year with Captain Randy...thanks! HMM

  • @CurtisAClark
    @CurtisAClark 11 місяців тому +3

    Beautiful boat!

  • @keystonepirate2534
    @keystonepirate2534 11 місяців тому +1

    These are great! Thank you

  • @OrbitFallenAngel
    @OrbitFallenAngel 11 місяців тому +3

    That's beyond horrifying to think that the men aboard the Big Fitz plausibly suffered before they died...😞
    I have always been fascinated by the story about the Big Fitz...idk why??
    It's such a tragic story that resonates with anyone who hears about it!!
    Thank you for sharing this!!
    I would love to do a tour at the Great Lakes Museum!!! ❤❤❤

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Well, thanks for taking the time to watch. Once you get hooked on the story of the Mighty Fitz, it's forever. Stop by anytime...Happy New Year! HMM

  • @ricksadler797
    @ricksadler797 11 місяців тому +2

    Awesome video thank you ❤

  • @bobsmyth9776
    @bobsmyth9776 11 місяців тому +2

    Thank You

  • @zesty2023
    @zesty2023 10 місяців тому +1

    That guy was a great tour guide, you guys are lucky.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      For sure...he was awesome...really enjoyed it. Thanks! HMM

  • @DF-ee8vt
    @DF-ee8vt 11 місяців тому +6

    The Edmund Fitzgerald, at 730ft in length, was 200ft longer than the depth of the water(530ft) in which it sank!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah...that's a super interesting side bar; thanks for sharing that here. HMM

  • @anonymous.nobody
    @anonymous.nobody 11 місяців тому +4

    My dad was an officer on the Coast Guard Woodrush that went out after them, as a result I have always been interested in the Fitz.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      That's super interesting; thanks for sharing your story here. Is you dad still alive? Thanks...HMM

    • @anonymous.nobody
      @anonymous.nobody 11 місяців тому +2

      @@HistoryMysteryMan No, he died about 9 years ago. When I was a kid I saw the Coast Guard report that he had which was one of the reasons for my interest, along with my dad.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Man that's super cool...that you got to see that report. RIP to your father...Merry Christmas.@@anonymous.nobody

    • @anonymous.nobody
      @anonymous.nobody 11 місяців тому +2

      @@HistoryMysteryMan Wishing you a Merry Christmas.

  • @jameshaxby5434
    @jameshaxby5434 11 місяців тому +2

    I've heard there is a second procedure where they are supposed to go below while in port and look for daylight coming through gaps that form over time, and take sledge hammers and pound them back into shape where there are gaps from bending of the hatches.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Interesting info...thanks for sharing it here. HMM

  • @lloydshultz9645
    @lloydshultz9645 11 місяців тому +1

    I was there in July 2022 my family and I had a great time touring the museum and both boats.. 13:12

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Awesome...thanks for visiting Lloyd...come back soon! Tell your family the History Mystery Man said hey! HMM

  • @stevebillo1723
    @stevebillo1723 11 місяців тому +3

    I was on lake Superior it is cold water and there is a roaring Erie noise .it is alive and does what it wants.

  • @secretsofthepastsparahisto2993
    @secretsofthepastsparahisto2993 11 місяців тому +3

    Hello from Windsor Ontario Canada great video brother I was born in 79 I heard the talk around the table as a kid in the 80s about the Edmund Fitzgerald that and the Titanic is what got me facinated with ships and boats and shipwrecks that and the fact I grew up on lake Erie and lake Superior . In the new year I hope too go too mariners church in Detroit , the national great lakes museum and the other great lakes museum and do a documentary about the Mighty Fitz from her beginnings too her tragic end and the other Shipwrecks that lay at the bottom of our great lakes just too name just one of the videoes amongst many I will do . There is an old saying the lakes are oceans disguised as lakes .

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts here...good to hear from you from Windsor. Many mariners believe the Great Lakes are worse than the oceans because the Lakes are defined by tighter boundaries which turns the waves into vicious chops that beat the tar out of you...it doesn't roll like the ocean does. I too am planning an expedition in 2024 to include the Mariners Church in Detroit, Whitefish Point, Duluth and Superior. Thanks for supporting my channel...HMM

    • @secretsofthepastsparahisto2993
      @secretsofthepastsparahisto2993 11 місяців тому +1

      You are welcome thank you for relighting that flame in me for the Mighty Fitz if you want I would love too accompany you on that expedition .@@HistoryMysteryMan

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Up for consideration! Thanks...HMM@@secretsofthepastsparahisto2993

  • @BillAlexander-cv6oj
    @BillAlexander-cv6oj 11 місяців тому +6

    Somewhere on the Museum Ground is a Stanchion from the Barge Maida, That My Grand Father Capt James Alexander was the Master of and The Constitution..saw it on a video...Have many Pictures of the Same..Great Place to Visit....

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      That's super awesome. I'll bet you have some great stories to tell about your grandfather...feel free to share them here. Thanks for watching...HMM

    • @BillAlexander-cv6oj
      @BillAlexander-cv6oj 11 місяців тому +2

      will have to get in touch with my Nephew. he has a collection of all the Pictures Regarding all of the Ships he sailed on, My great uncle was a Master on The Canadian SS Alexander Leslie, along with My Maternal Uncle who was the engineer, I have a lot of stories related to My Grand Father 5 Uncles that sailed and My Father will contact you soon..

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      I'd love to hear your stories...and I'd love to see your pics too! Thanks again, Bill...HMM@@BillAlexander-cv6oj

  • @astark7439
    @astark7439 11 місяців тому +1

    Much better this is a great video thank you.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      You're welcome; thanks for taking the time to watch! HMM

  • @OLDFARTRACINGOFR330-vt9bx
    @OLDFARTRACINGOFR330-vt9bx 11 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the video
    Additionally: there many more maritime museums throughout the Great Lakes : growing up around these vessels as a kid was amazing able run around and mtg several guys seeing these videos brings back so many memories :
    A couple my favorite ones : downtown Cleveland
    Vermilion , Fairport harbor
    Obviously my home town Toledo
    Many stories from my grandfather ::;:❤
    Long live Cleveland Cliffs

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      So many thanks. I worked on the Cuyahoga River for three years...I love Cleveland...still go there a lot. The Schoonmaker spent much of its life as the Willis B. Boyer, which was a Cleveland Cliffs boat I believe. Thanks for your support. HMM

  • @Ohiotrucker1
    @Ohiotrucker1 11 місяців тому +6

    Fun Fact HMM the Schoonmaker is the only surviving boat that was in The White Hurricane of 1913. (To my knowledge.)

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +3

      Man I didn't know that. Thanks for that info! Captain Darrell and I are wanting to do some video on the Storm of 1913...so thanks! HMM

    • @Ohiotrucker1
      @Ohiotrucker1 11 місяців тому +3

      @HistoryMysteryMan No problem, and I last checked. She is the last ship to survive into present day.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      Super interesting...thanks again.@@Ohiotrucker1

  • @JackForbes-sh4cc
    @JackForbes-sh4cc 11 місяців тому +2

    My grandpa worked the ore freighters his whole career. He had some stories of frightening adventures and he was unbeatable at any card game. I wish I had taken the time to actually record some of his stories.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Cool stuff Jack; thanks for sharing your stories here. I can't tell you how many times I wished I had recorded the stories from those who have passed. HMM

  • @BobDennison
    @BobDennison 17 днів тому +2

    nice

  • @jamesteddy1379
    @jamesteddy1379 11 місяців тому +3

    Maybe there was an air pocket in the engine room and that's partially why the stern is upside down, because of the air in the top/bottom.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Now there's a point of view I had never thought about...in fact, first I've heard of this possibility from anyone. Bravo for coming up with this...thanks! HMM

  • @louislepage5111
    @louislepage5111 11 місяців тому +3

    Great content, the rule about the survival suits is noble but I was always under the impression that the ship went down so fast that nobody had time to put one on 😮

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      And I believe you're exactly right on that. If there was never a distress call, which there wasn't, they didn't have to time to say goodbye to one another, let along anyone else. Thanks for chiming in! HMM

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 11 місяців тому +2

      They didn't have survival suits yet. It was after the Fitz went down, they made it mandatory.

  • @tomsisk6811
    @tomsisk6811 11 місяців тому +3

    Nice ! 👍

  • @shaun1912
    @shaun1912 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for posting. I'm from Australia so very unlikely I'll ever get to see in person

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      You're welcome Shaun...and thanks for being here, all the way from down under yonder! HMM

  • @loki7441
    @loki7441 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for posting the video. I will now have a more vivid image of the ship as I listen to Gordon Lightfoot. I have had an interest in the Edmund Fitzgerald since I first heard the song. Back then there was no internet to help with research of the mystery.
    I'm sure old Gord has met with those brave souls on the other side now that he's passed on. He said the tale fascinated him as he was a sailor himself. He had several sailing boats in his life time. She was a big ship, bigger than I imagined. People forget how big the Great Lakes are. Most people who never venture out in a boat for leisure or otherwise underestimate the power of the sea and those lakes are inland seas.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      Very well said; thanks for sharing your thoughts here. The Great Lakes are truly magical...and yes, they are inland seas that can batter the heck out of you. Thanks for taking the time to watch...stop by anytime. RIP Gordon Lightfoot and the 29 brave men on the Mighty Fitz. HMM

  • @guodzillakaiju5683
    @guodzillakaiju5683 11 місяців тому +3

    Visited the "Schoonmaker" in the summer of '22. Don't forget about the pilothouse of the "St. Mary's Challenger," another survivor of the White Hurricane of 1913, and (launched in 1906) even older than the "Schoonmaker."

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks! The St. Mary's Challenger...is that the pilot house that sits next to the Tug Ohio down there? HMM

    • @guodzillakaiju5683
      @guodzillakaiju5683 11 місяців тому +1

      @HistoryMysteryMan
      Yes it is! She's had a very long history. It's a shame she was cut down into a barge.

  • @jasonhumphry5836
    @jasonhumphry5836 11 місяців тому +1

    Excellent video

  • @bluerazor7049
    @bluerazor7049 11 місяців тому +3

    A fun fact. Three of the former Shenango fleet ships exist, the Schoonmaker, the original William P. Snyder, now the barge St. Marys Challenger and the Shenango II, now the Hon. James. L. Oberstar.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      Super interesting info...didn't know that. Thanks for sharing that here. HMM

    • @bluerazor7049
      @bluerazor7049 11 місяців тому +1

      @@HistoryMysteryMan No problem, the Shenango Furnace fleet had six ships in total!
      -William P. Snyder.
      -Shenango.
      -Col. James M. Schoonmaker.
      -William P. Snyder Jr.
      -Wilpen.
      -Shenango II.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      I didn't know that...thanks!@@bluerazor7049

  • @gregorylyon1004
    @gregorylyon1004 11 місяців тому +4

    I could easily write an essay on the Fitzgerald. In my opinion, that boat had absolutely no chance of survival in that storm.

    • @1234clarknj
      @1234clarknj 11 місяців тому +2

      It would be nice the hear your thoughts and theories. I was in the Sault Ste. Marie, ON that night and WHAT A STORM!!!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      It would be interesting to hear what you remember about the storm...thanks! HMM

    • @1234clarknj
      @1234clarknj 11 місяців тому +1

      I lived in Sault Ste. Marie, ON and on Nov 10th 1975 I was at high school at basketball practice scheduled 6-9pm. About 7 or 7:30 the gymnasium roof was creaking very loudly. Our coach cancelled practice.
      I called home for a ride from phone in hallway remember 10 cents for a call)😂
      No answer at my house so a teammate offered me a ride home. The winds and rain were crazy. Winds were coming from due west. I got out of his van at his house and I lived for east. I started home running and almost fell over as my legs almost couldn’t keep me up. It felt like I was there in about 10s. It was just over 100 yards from his place to mine and I was wind assisted. I said to my brother I might have set a world record. He liked listening on his scanner and was it was battery operated and we lost power. We were listening to police reports etc. We didn’t know what was happening.
      I remember waking the next day hearing they found life rings and life raft if I recall. Super sad time for the city. Lots of interest in Great Lakes shipping due to the Soo Locks.
      I will never forget that night and those brave sailers. 🙏😢

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Wow! Fascinating story...thanks for sharing it here. 10 cents for a phone call...that's hysterical. I'm going to visit Sault Ste. Marie in 2024 on my trip to Whitefish Point. What a night that must of have been for you...only to wake up to the news of what happened out there. Thanks again...HMM@@1234clarknj

  • @shawndavis8438
    @shawndavis8438 11 місяців тому +6

    Thank you for sharing this. I could only imagine how scary it would have been to be down there when the ship sank. It goes to show how much the Fitzgerald was in bad shape. They really abused it to the point where it couldn't take it anymore. Its a lesson in knowing how to take care of things so they will last as long as humanly possible. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Thanks again, Shawn...always appreciated. As Capt. Darrell said, "they rode her hard and put her away wet." Merry Christmas!

  • @GriffinDidur
    @GriffinDidur 11 місяців тому +2

    Great video, one question, where did you find the pictures of Fitzgerald like at 10:22 and 10:28? Ive looked everywhere but haven't found any pics of those rooms? Thanks

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Thank you. Got them from someone who once worked on the Fitz.

  • @davidsides7253
    @davidsides7253 11 місяців тому +2

    Remember sitting at the table just after blowing out my birthday candles when the news about Edmund Fitzgerald sinking came on. My dad looked at me and said, hell of a thing to remember on your birthday. 😔

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Wow! Now that's a powerful memory; thanks for sharing it here, David. HMM

  • @georgeolson3996
    @georgeolson3996 4 місяці тому +1

    I was in Duluth working as a TV News Cameraman with the Fitzgerald sank. Two reports from ships that came into Duluth. 1 a Salty that had seen the storms of the North Sea in winter said that the waves were more violent because of the short reach. There were times when the Bow and Stern were in the waves and there was almost no water under the middle of the boat. Then moments later the Bow and Stern were out of the water and water the wave Crest was sloshing over the rails amidship. The other report was from a Laker that had the railing in front of the pilot house bent towards the windows from a High Wave. They felt lucky it had not smashed the windows.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  4 місяці тому

      Super interesting information; thanks for sharing it here. Those ocean salty Captains quickly gain a new level of respect for sailing on the Great Lakes. Thanks for watching, George. HMM

  • @debrapompey7299
    @debrapompey7299 11 місяців тому +3

    Still heartbreaking after all these years😢

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      It sure is Debra. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. HMM

  • @darlenejohnson8864
    @darlenejohnson8864 11 місяців тому +1

    Love your videos. Fascinated with the Fitz. Sad these men died. They had families and dreams. Good job telling the story.😊

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Thanks Darlene...so appreciated. Stop by anytime...HMM

  • @AvengerII
    @AvengerII 11 місяців тому +3

    Nice looking ship!
    IS this the ship the living nephew, the ex-Lakes captain whose uncle died on the Fitz, said was haunted?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      No...that was the SS Middletown. Thanks...HMM

  • @towdjumper5
    @towdjumper5 9 місяців тому +1

    Great stuff. Sad ending for a great crew and ship.

  • @Chewie1212
    @Chewie1212 10 місяців тому +1

    I’ve seen that ship docked I don’t know how many times going through Toledo, never knew it’s a museum. I’m going to have to stop next time

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      Yeah...it's well worth your time. There is also lots to see inside the museum too. Thanks for watching...HMM

  • @jamesmccarthy5086
    @jamesmccarthy5086 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for sharing this! I’ve never been out there but this I’ll definitely have to add to my bucket list. I visited the Valley Camp about 10 years ago probably, back then I was just a kid and didn’t recognize the significance of the Fitzgerald as much as I do now. I don’t remember it too well but I hope to go back to it one day. Have you ever been to the Valley Camp?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      I have not been to Valley Camp and know nothing about it...

    • @jamesmccarthy5086
      @jamesmccarthy5086 10 місяців тому

      @@HistoryMysteryMan I don’t know much about it either but it is 6 years younger than the Schoonmaker and is in Sault St Marie. My favorite part of the ship is that it has the lifeboats of the Fitzgerald and it felt so surreal to be in there. I hope I can go back to the ship one day. Just to see the Lifeboats again would be something. I can’t remember what else they had there but it was something. I hope you can visit it, you’d love it!

  • @CaptainRon1913
    @CaptainRon1913 9 місяців тому +2

    Strange to think that the Fitzgerald's bow could have hit the bottom while the stern was still on the surface. Sank in 530ft of water, and was 730ft long

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  9 місяців тому +1

      And many estimates, based on the damage we know about, has her traveling at nearly 40mph when she hit bottom. A jolt like that over her compromised hull could have easily snapped her in two. Thanks for watching...HMM

    • @philipkilcrease3521
      @philipkilcrease3521 23 дні тому

      And if one 30 foot wave drove the bow down to bottom, the second could have slapped the stern and added to the separation of the stern?

  • @PBRSUPERSTAR
    @PBRSUPERSTAR 11 місяців тому +2

    Crazy to think that they were built 45 years or so apart and almost identical

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      I know...never really thought about that...super interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. HMM

  • @davidcampbell1899
    @davidcampbell1899 10 місяців тому +2

    You can thank Gordon Lightfoot, for his song and keeping the memory of the Edmund Fitzgerald alive. If it was not for his song, no one would know about the ship wreck. So you can thank a CANADAIN for keeping the memory alive!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      No doubt...Lightfoot shared the story of the Mighty Fitz with the world...and always grateful for his contributions. Although I wouldn't say "no one". As a Great Lakes mariner, this story resonates deeply with me, even without the song. Thanks. Go Lions. HMM

  • @shanejoseph1700
    @shanejoseph1700 11 місяців тому +4

    Thats terrifying that some of them may have survived a short time in a air pocket

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      Beyond terrifying. Thanks Shane...for sharing your thoughts here. HMM

  • @buckcrowell8916
    @buckcrowell8916 11 місяців тому +1

    I got them same flooring tiles in my house.

  • @C77-C77
    @C77-C77 8 місяців тому +1

    I think what contributes the most to the interest and mystery surrounding the Fitz is that the sinking left no survivors to tell the tale. When you have first hand accounts, it allows the story to be put to rest easier. There was not even a mayday call by the captain, and even though she was seen by those on the Anderson one minute and gone the next, reported missing and had coast guard assets out there looking and reported by news media as missing presumed lost pretty quickly, and eyes on the wreck via submersible surprisingly fast for the time period and the way she was found torn apart, the cause of it all, although I think the bottoming out on shoal/taking on water/bow pushed down by huge wave/plunged and broke apart when striking bottom is most likely, will never be truly known and eternally be debated. Has had me hooked for a long time.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  8 місяців тому +1

      For sure..we'll never know for sure what happened, whether dives are permitted or not. And yes...the eternal debate carries on. This is why it'd be so challenging to make a movie of the Mighty Fitz, because nobody knows what really happened...I mean, how would you end the story? Thanks for your support...HMM

  • @photonotavailable7936
    @photonotavailable7936 11 місяців тому +2

    Outro music 👍

  • @georgepaiva7496
    @georgepaiva7496 10 місяців тому +1

    Even though the crew passed away physically they live on forever in every one’s memory

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      Very true...and that's a good thing. We'll keep working to keep their memories alive...thanks George. HMM

  • @Boisey3007
    @Boisey3007 9 місяців тому +1

    Need to make a note that the Fitz's clamps were a different style clamp compared to the Schoonmaker.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  9 місяців тому

      Got it...thanks for that. Same concept though...batten down the hatches or else. HMM

  • @bobvalentine8927
    @bobvalentine8927 11 місяців тому +2

    I love your videos very interesting

  • @robwiggins6319
    @robwiggins6319 11 місяців тому +4

    I would love to tour that but Ohio is a long way off.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому

      It's be worth it. Where you from? Thanks for watching...HMM

    • @robwiggins6319
      @robwiggins6319 11 місяців тому +1

      @@HistoryMysteryMan south Mississippi, I’ve seen a lot as a kid but parents are gone so I don’t get to travel like I used too

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +2

      Mississippi...how cool. You stop by this chat room anytime...thanks for your support. HMM@@robwiggins6319

  • @BonnieDragonKat
    @BonnieDragonKat 11 місяців тому +2

    The crews of the fleet used to eat at Pacos while the ships were being loaded and unloaded.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely...all the mariners loved Packos! Thanks for watching...HMM

  • @jamesteddy1379
    @jamesteddy1379 11 місяців тому +1

    Just a thought !

  • @fredcloud9668
    @fredcloud9668 10 місяців тому +1

    Where did they find that guide ?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      He's an unpaid volunteer...grateful for that. HMM

  • @christadych5668
    @christadych5668 11 місяців тому +2

    I wonder if everyone got blown out of the bow

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +3

      Good question. We know that the pilot house is empty so more than likely (for those who were in the pilot house) they were thrust back down the inside steps to the area below...and are still there. For those already tucked inside their watertight cabins in the bow area, I believe they are still in their cabins...their eternal mausoleums.

  • @seamanns
    @seamanns 10 місяців тому +1

    Very good video.i sailed the great lakes for 30 years on the canadian side.some if what you say is true. During summer we only put the corner vlamps on sometimes one or 2 in the middle. That was from june till anytime in September, after that all clamps on. As for the rooms,i never hot bunked but on some boats i shared a room and ithers i had my iwn room but shared a bathroom in between. The whole crew rooms you couldnt access from the outside to each room,you had to walk indide and fown the hall. The fitz was the sameway. No sonar wouldnt have helped him dince he didnt really know whete he was at with no radar and very limited visibility. As far as people alive.ill say no. The bow part with the windows blown out,water would rush in but from bow to stern on noth sides of the ship would have been the crew tunnels.they would use in bad weather to ho back for supper or anything.water would have rushed in there and flooded the bow fast . Either way in the bow they were dead by the time they hit the bottom. Same as the stern . If it broke apart on the surface,the stern could have stayed afloat for a few seconds longer but the rush of water from the tunnels then if the steam engines didnt explod when the cold water hit them. Remember the engineers turned iff the boilers on the titanic so they eouldnt explode.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      Very interesting commentary; thanks for sharing it here. Your points make a lot of sense. HMM

  • @joeanderson9852
    @joeanderson9852 11 місяців тому +3

    🙏🙏

  • @charlesmcgraw7832
    @charlesmcgraw7832 11 місяців тому +2

    I just watched..

  • @charlesmiddleton3247
    @charlesmiddleton3247 10 місяців тому +1

    I have a black and white Polaroid picture of the Edmund Fitzgerald, (circ. 1950's) that I had found in my late uncle's picture album that I received from my mother many years ago. My uncle had been in tool and die I believe at one time. The ship is on dry-dock and doesn't look totally complete, but its name is clearly visible. I would like to donate it to some museum, so, if anyone has any suggestions, please leave a comment. Namaste. From a Vietnam Era Marine Corps veteran.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      First of all, thanks for your service...so much respect. I'm sure the National Museum of the Great Lakes in Toledo would be interested in the photo; I can assure you that I am. I'd love to see a copy of the photo...thanks, Charles. HMM

    • @charlesmiddleton3247
      @charlesmiddleton3247 10 місяців тому +1

      @@HistoryMysteryMan I just want to thank you for such a wonderful and informative video and narration. Grew up near downriver Detroit and so many memories of seeing the Fitzgerald and other Lakers. Upon going thru the album years ago, I was caught off-guard and totally surprised when I saw the name of this fateful ship and her crew. The picture is presently at My Son's home, as I live 3 hours away, but will make a Spring run there and contact you and send a pic. I use to sail on Lake Erie back in the 80's with a sailing crew and have great memories of the Lakers. I will definitely visit and give it to the museum. Namaste. Semper Fi!

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      You're welcome; thanks for taking an interest in what we're doing. Great place to grow up...downriver Detroit...sure wish we were watching the Lions in the Super Bowl. I'd be grateful to see that pic...thanks sir! HMM@@charlesmiddleton3247

  • @VOOODOOO37
    @VOOODOOO37 10 місяців тому +1

    Any Fitz crew holed up in a cabin or the engine room would know the ship was underwater quickly due to lack of pitching and rolling motions, once the ship was submerged.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      Can't imagine the the fear in those sailors when she went under. Thanks...HMM

  • @jimflys2
    @jimflys2 11 місяців тому +3

    H man, this is reall cool. You would be the guy that would be able to tell me....something I have never heard anyone talk about.
    The Fitz. Look at the underwater pics. The sun sheild over the windows of the pilothouse, they are all bent pretty badly. This didn't happen from hitting the bottom. Why are they bent? Nose diving as Cooper and other have speculated, does not seem to be logical to me especially if they were already low in thd water. Huge waves might have done it. But they were running with the waves.
    Really it can only be from nose diving or huge waves smashing down on her.
    What does Captain Ned, or whatever his name is, think? How about you?

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Super interesting thoughts...and thanks for sharing them here. It is widely understood that the pilot house visor got all wrinkled up when it made contact with the bottom...and many believe it was traveling at possibly 30-35mph when she landed. But you got me thinking; that's for sure...but I just can't see anything else that would bend the visor other than crashing into the bottom...but I'm open for thought on this. Captain Darrell thinks the visor bent when it landed. Thanks for chiming in...HMM

    • @darrellwalton938
      @darrellwalton938 11 місяців тому +3

      My Dad had it nailed. She lost positive bouncy and nose dived at a pretty good angle. Had she gone straight down, the visor would be bent up. Nose dive, Rouge wave, 3 Sisters. Only the crew in the Pilot House know for sure. And some day so will we.

    • @jimflys2
      @jimflys2 11 місяців тому +2

      @darrellwalton938 good thoughts Darrell. Love your style by the way.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Darrell is the best...thanks! HMM @@jimflys2

  • @valentinesmith2424
    @valentinesmith2424 10 місяців тому +2

    The ship lost it vent stacks on the bow. Letting water in with ever wave. Look up the ships last call. That's what he told them.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      Understood. It wasn't the "last" call from/to the Fitz but that call you spoke of did come in...earlier in the day. Thanks...HMM

  • @stijnVDA1994
    @stijnVDA1994 10 місяців тому +1

    Neat name, schoonmaker is outside of a last name like here is a job wich translates to cleaner in dutch

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      That's interesting! Thanks for sharing it here! HMM

  • @realfunny7
    @realfunny7 10 місяців тому +1

    i started dating a girl in June of 1976 - in Nov. there was a program about the Fitzgerald & that is when she told me her & her girlfriend were guests on it - must be with her girlfriends parents too because her dad was a Dr. here in Lorain Ohio

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      That's super interesting. Is that gal still around? She would be an interesting interview...thanks. HMM

    • @realfunny7
      @realfunny7 10 місяців тому

      @@HistoryMysteryMan sad to say things did not work out - she met another - got married - he passed on - then she did also about a year or so ago - but thanks for the reply

  • @realfunny7
    @realfunny7 10 місяців тому

    i do think where ever a crewman was at - they were either knockout or killed before it went down from beating they took by the waves - some i think some are still inside somewhere - that's why no dives are allowed anymore since one man was spotted on the lake floor wearing a life jacket

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому +1

      10-4. I would venture to say that they're all still inside, with the exception of one (that we know of). Bodies were never recovered which means they're still on the ship. Had they remained on the surface, some of the bodies would have washed ashore eventually at Whitefish. Thanks for watching...HMM

  • @dejulesb974
    @dejulesb974 10 місяців тому +1

    It's difficult to comprehend that this ship was built at the same time as the Titanic.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  10 місяців тому

      I know...that's what I thought! And we can all still go aboard and enjoy her. Thanks...HMM

  • @firecriss1392
    @firecriss1392 9 місяців тому +1

    "When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck ......."

  • @kimfleury
    @kimfleury 7 місяців тому +1

    Beautiful ship. Separate dining quarters for officers and crew isn't even a thing on the new ships built for Canada Steamship Lines. Even the PRT still has the Captain's dining room, although the Captain and officers only dine in it when there are guests. Things are much more egalitarian nowadays.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  6 місяців тому

      So the newer egalitarian thing...is that a good thing?

  • @LHOH197
    @LHOH197 2 місяці тому +1

    And yet diving on the Fitz is still prohibited I'm with captain Darrell why is it you can dive on all these other sunken shipwrecks like the Bradley and the morrell but the Fitz is off limits very odd I'd say

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  2 місяці тому

      Good question. The Canadian government has officially ruled the Fitz off-limits. I don't see that changing, but never say never. Thanks for your interest...HMM

  • @Dannyedelman4231
    @Dannyedelman4231 11 місяців тому +2

    The SS Valley camp is basically a clone of the schoonmaker, and the fitz

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for that info, Danny...I'll have to check the SS Valley Camp out! HMM

    • @Dannyedelman4231
      @Dannyedelman4231 8 годин тому

      ​@HistoryMysteryMan, the valley camp has the edmund fitzgerald lifeboat number 1 and 2 or what's left of lifeboat 2

  • @AArdW01f
    @AArdW01f 15 днів тому +1

    The pressure would have killed them by about 150ft i reckon. I know theres first hand accounts of folks hearing an explosion from the titanic shortly after she left the surface. That noise was less likely the boilers and more likely the remaining air in the stern exploding outward circa 150 to 200ft (if memory serves).
    I cannot imagine how horrifying it was but it would have been quick.
    RIP to these brave 29

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  14 днів тому

      We hope it was quick. So...is your opinion that some of the water tight compartments -- bunks/quarters and such -- could not have stayed water tight on the bottom of Superior? Thanks...HMM

    • @AArdW01f
      @AArdW01f 14 днів тому +1

      ​​@@HistoryMysteryMan
      Theoretically parts of the bowels of the ship may have somehow stayed water tight but I think its extremely unlikely. Purpose built submarine from this era of construction were not generally looking to exceed this depth by much (boleo and gatto class submarines would be nearing their limit and the early nautilus class could do it). A rusted hulk built for the surface probably wouldn't fair well but I cannot conclusively say there could be a part where significantly compressed air wouldn't have somehow pooled during the shifting of the vessel to the bottom.
      I do think the immediate 33 atmosphere pressure differential would have blown out every organ with an airpocket causing nearly instant fatal damage to any souls who took the ride.
      Ear drums and lungs violently imploding etc.
      We descend slowly as we dive to allow these force to equalize naturally with our pressurized gas.
      En example:
      When my dad was at Duke University in the 70s the had a hyperbaric chamber in the medical school and they were working with navy divers to do research on long term exposure to being held under deep pressure. The guys would go live in there for a week or two at a time and they would crank it up to simulate serious depth.
      They had an airlock they could pass things through (food etc). One of the cool things you could do supposedly was take a normal Styrofoam cup and put it in the airlock and pressurize it to their level and it would come into the chamber smaller than a shot glass.
      Essentially this would have happened violently from such rapid pressure increase.
      The Kursk (Russian submarine) went down in similar depths with all hands onboard. Many did survive that (fairly modern submarine for the purpose of this conversation). Those poor men did survive for quite awhile before ... if memory serves some spark of something lit one of the gases in the vessel and basically burned all the oxygen out of the enviroment. Extremely grim stuff.
      I wouldn't consider myself any manner of expert but I would very very strongly doubt Fitz at launch would have held air that deep let alone on the night she broke apart.
      The way Fitz went down is one of the more horrifying wreck scenarios I can imagine though. It's hard to fathom the horrible noises that must have been created.

    • @HistoryMysteryMan
      @HistoryMysteryMan  13 днів тому

      @@AArdW01f Thanks for this detailed explanation of your thoughts. No matter when the crew passed over, I pray it was fast without prolonged suffering. Thanks again...I appreciate your expertise and willingness to share here. HMM