When needing to get the asap past the backup knot, is it ok to add another alpine butterfly in the backup line, connect a cows tail into it, then move the asap below the alpines , remove cows tail and continue descending? Cheers
If you have 2 x ID/Rig then why the need for a re-anchor? Why not just use both descenders and switch the back up when you get to each knot, release one descender and simply move it past the knot. Then switch over on the second knot, that way you get to keep all your equipment.
Nothing wrong with the method you describe but it can cause rope stretch issues if there's a lot of rope above you, also people sometimes forget to swap the back-up over. I know some people don't like leaving gear using the re-anchor method but I can say I worry too much about it.
Is it possible when you get down to the knot on the working line that you clip an extra backup ontop the descender, then clip an extra descender to where you have backup, and continue descender from there... instead of using a toothed ascender as an anchor point. Then when you reach the 2nd knot (where the former backup has been, and the descender is now), you can switch over again? Also, can you also use a non-toothed camming device (ie. Camp Goblin, Petzl Rescucender, Beal Monitor, etc.) as an anchor point in lieu of the hand ascender?
Great video, just a quick question, a few people are 50/50 on the hand jammer to re anchor? is it ok for a toothed device 2 person load? i did it on my 3 and no questions asked like. keep up the videos they're great mate
Two people on the hand ascender does concern some people. The Petzl rep has confirmed they are fine with it as the 140kg marked on the Ascension is a nominal value to do with the EN standard, not an absolute max. The tech tips on the Petzl website also show the Ascension used as an attachment point when doing a counterbalance rescue from the Croll. This also loads the ascender with the weight of two people, so bearing all this in mind I'd say it's fine.
@@independentropes4922 yeah cheers i agree, theres so many grey areas in rope access, great video's man keep em up they are mint and priceless as references
@@independentropes4922 hey great video :) I cant really find the tech tip you are talking about, just one in combination with a JAG -System where not the full 2 person load is in the ascender. Also the german FISAT now says its not ok to do a counterbalance with the ascension. Could you give us an update on that? :) Thanks
@@MrChecker7000 Hi, here's the link to the tech tip I mention that shows the hand ascender for a counter balance www.petzl.com/GB/en/Professional/Release-and-evacuation-of-a-victim-on-a-CROLL?ActivityName=On-site-rescue. I'm not in a position to comment on FISAT but if Petzl are okay with it I'm happy to use it this way. Hope this helps.
I think sometimes people lose sight of the point of the exercise. The main issue is getting the casualty down, does it matter if you leave gear behind? Not as far as I'm concerned. If you leave the casualty's ascender you still have your own if you did need one for some reason.
By far the best rope access videos on yt. Great job Ally 👍🏻
You make it look simple and smooth.
Another great solution to a somewhat complex issue. Great example of another technique,
thank you, Jim.
When needing to get the asap past the backup knot, is it ok to add another alpine butterfly in the backup line, connect a cows tail into it, then move the asap below the alpines , remove cows tail and continue descending? Cheers
No problem using an additional alpine as a point of contact to pass the knot, the method shown in the video is one of many acceptable options.
@@independentropes4922 thanks
If you have 2 x ID/Rig then why the need for a re-anchor? Why not just use both descenders and switch the back up when you get to each knot, release one descender and simply move it past the knot. Then switch over on the second knot, that way you get to keep all your equipment.
Nothing wrong with the method you describe but it can cause rope stretch issues if there's a lot of rope above you, also people sometimes forget to swap the back-up over. I know some people don't like leaving gear using the re-anchor method but I can say I worry too much about it.
@@independentropes4922 Thanks for the reply mucker. Great videos. 👊
Is it possible when you get down to the knot on the working line that you clip an extra backup ontop the descender, then clip an extra descender to where you have backup, and continue descender from there... instead of using a toothed ascender as an anchor point. Then when you reach the 2nd knot (where the former backup has been, and the descender is now), you can switch over again?
Also, can you also use a non-toothed camming device (ie. Camp Goblin, Petzl Rescucender, Beal Monitor, etc.) as an anchor point in lieu of the hand ascender?
Audio could be better...
Echo... Really annoying click-cluck sounds. Anyway though, thanks for sharing!
Great video, just a quick question, a few people are 50/50 on the hand jammer to re anchor? is it ok for a toothed device 2 person load? i did it on my 3 and no questions asked like.
keep up the videos they're great mate
Two people on the hand ascender does concern some people. The Petzl rep has confirmed they are fine with it as the 140kg marked on the Ascension is a nominal value to do with the EN standard, not an absolute max. The tech tips on the Petzl website also show the Ascension used as an attachment point when doing a counterbalance rescue from the Croll. This also loads the ascender with the weight of two people, so bearing all this in mind I'd say it's fine.
@@independentropes4922 yeah cheers i agree, theres so many grey areas in rope access, great video's man keep em up they are mint and priceless as references
@@independentropes4922 hey great video :)
I cant really find the tech tip you are talking about, just one in combination with a JAG -System where not the full 2 person load is in the ascender. Also the german FISAT now says its not ok to do a counterbalance with the ascension. Could you give us an update on that? :)
Thanks
@@MrChecker7000 Hi, here's the link to the tech tip I mention that shows the hand ascender for a counter balance www.petzl.com/GB/en/Professional/Release-and-evacuation-of-a-victim-on-a-CROLL?ActivityName=On-site-rescue. I'm not in a position to comment on FISAT but if Petzl are okay with it I'm happy to use it this way. Hope this helps.
I have had assessor that’s said I cannot leave gear behind
I think sometimes people lose sight of the point of the exercise. The main issue is getting the casualty down, does it matter if you leave gear behind? Not as far as I'm concerned. If you leave the casualty's ascender you still have your own if you did need one for some reason.