Saagar is like "Looking at these horrible gas prices hurting people and people struggling everywhere I can see the best way to fix it is to get rid of minorities."
The only positive I see when the far roght takes over is minorities like saagar will realize that no the money was not worth it. Dude sure is not white but he seems to think the far right will over look that.
@@IamBrixTM I feel like he's falling off even on that. His defense against 'presentism' was just him listing off 'bad' or less socially accepted things from his childhood, and somehow trying to equate those to slavery being 'normal' hundreds of years ago.
I'm a duel citizen of the US and Italy It's really depressing to see how most Italians haven't really had the mirror shoved in their faces so to speak like the Germans and the French to a lesser extent. I'm really worried about everything going on in Italy, Poland, Brazil, Hungary, and all over the world rn I hope that the list of countries lead by fascists goes down for once in my lifetime.
Germany will probably fall back into fascism within 10-20 years. It's a neverending cycle. That element never goes away. The German military is brimming with Neo Nazi groups.
@@Ass_of_Amalek It's understandable Orban winning by such a large margin. The voting method has been completely overhauled to favor him. Plus he controls the country's media and discourse. The votes from rural areas are enough to give him a 2/3 majority in parlament, even though it's less than 50% of people. The elections were not fair and there was never a chance to defeat him. Much like Russia.
If Saagar was actually a populist, he would be willing to put aside his political differences with Bernie Sanders and vote for him. Bernie is literally the only candidate trying to do any of the things a populist could claim to believe in, which is how you know Saagar isn't one.
Populism =/= good things. He is 100% a right wing populist. 99.9% of the time, Populism, left or right, only leads to bad shit. But at least the left tries to start with good intentions. But it's a braindead ideology that only leads to destructive mob rule.
He puts aside his differences with non-populist right wingers and votes for them. That's the problem with right wing populists, they're right wingers first.
No, but only because populism is a style of politics and doesn't come with any policy prerequisites. Racism can be populism just as centrist liberalism and socialism can be
I love how a few years ago when Krystal and Saagar were still on Rising, there was a mini-controversy about 'Right-Populists' just being fascists. They were both indigent about that being the case, yet here's a real-life example of it and Saagar's just like, 'Yeah...Based.' Are modern fascists genuinely too stupid to know what their own beliefs are?
Yeah. Nathan Robinson was right. He's made other mistakes, unfortunately, but he was dead on the money with the current wave of "right populism" just being re-branded fascism (at the best, fash-lite or fash-enabling. But the logical conclusion is just straight up fascism.)
@@r-pupz7032 Yep! It's not even a difficult leap to make anyway especially when you look at the 'shining lights' of right populists when Nathan made his article a simple look into what these people believe tells you who and what they are
Fascists don't care that they're self-contradictory, stupid, cliche, boring, and predictable. Never have. They delight in it. They play with words and mock people who care about truth or coherence. The sadism is the main point.
for the italian side, yea, they dumb as rock and whould be the first ones to breack once the executive part of their ruling starts (or never actually reach that point before imploding due to idiocy)
Don’t care for Saagar. The problem is the enabler sitting next to him; allowing his views to have more salience. If she’d actually challenged & not let BP audience be minimum 60% Republicans & Trumpers & 30% DumbDumbLeft & maybe 10% sane left… then Saagar will just be like another dozens & dozens of ReichWing talking heads with no real influence outside their rightwing bubbles. She give him the legitimacy… by barely ever challenging! And even when she’s challenging him; she’s tripping over her words to squeeze out *well I disagree with that* to quickly move on to bashing democrats or “woke establishment”. Detestable stuff.
She actually pushes back a lot and often embarrasses Saager (Vaush covered one of those videos). Unfortunately, it's paywalled (though there is the podcast).
I'd say the BP audience is more like 90% MAGAt fascists at this point. And you're 100% right about Krystal Ball being a sellout hack for platforming their vile BS
Saagar is indeed against student debt cancellation. Apparently his galaxy brain solution to student debt and college grad underemployment is to just destroy all institutions of higher learning. That's not a joke, he literally said that.
Weirdly enough, in italian, "populist" means something different and that very much summarizes Meloni and her kins: someone that gathers political consensus by simply telling people what they want to hear, whether they are going to actually do such things or not (the near totality of times they don't)
@@Ass_of_Amalek it's not a thing vaush only does (as the reacted video showed), I've yet to hear a single american, or even english-speaker, using it differently
@@Ass_of_Amalek 1. I should have specified "before this video". 2. Despite it being used wrong (and me being in favor of correcting who does), if you mean something positive with it you can't be bashed for promoting it.
@@Ass_of_Amalek 1. No: "positive thing" isn't necessarily something popular, so it doesn't follow. 2. Doesn't matter, I wasn't saying "it's good to act populist if you do it for positive things", I said "it's not negative to be in favor of something positive just because you associate to it a negative name"
It means that in basically all European countries, that's how the term is typically understood by most people. I really don't get why Vaush insists that there is such a thing as left wing populism.
@@mazibukomail Shes been less objectionable since the dems won as far as I can tell. Saagar has become insufferable. Krystal being wrong about Trump was hilarious because she was doing that whole liberal Trump isn;t that bad because he isn't hurting me thing.
Same. I really enjoyed the show for the first 8 months or so… Saagar’s mask mandates whining is what got me to unsubscribe and everything I’ve seen since has made me glad I did
@@Ass_of_Amalek when breaking points started i thought it would be less politically biased than rising on gave it a watch for a while. It progressed to Tucker light in short order though
@@pepe2493 Stopping Tucker was never the goal. He can always find some venue to perform his partisan hackery. It was satisfying just to see Stewart abuse Tucker on his own show while Tucker flailed and screeched. Crossfire was canceled not long after Stewart’s appearance.
It's kinda funny to me that populism has a positive connotation in the US, because here in Germany people usually mean it in a negative way. As in "appeal to popular talking points without any real substance behind it or real plans to fix things"
It's the same in Italy, the right won because it is extremely populist, unlike the left which is perceived as elitist and far from the real problems of the people. Very strange.
Yeah, populism here is accepted to basically only be fascism in disguise. That weird idea 'muricans have of "left wing populism" is honestly just not real.
@@judas4544 You dont, there are 6 parties and all of them suck for some reason. Its just very nuanced and complex lesser evil voting AfD - Far Right Populist - Self explainatory and very racist CDU - Christian Conservative - Self explainatory and very corrupt FDP - Right Libertariam - Self explainatory and pretty corrupt SPD - Social Democrat - Unfortunately okay on paper but weak, ineffective in reality and...oh...corrupt Greens - Green Social Democrats - More Populism than substance, like companies way more than a Green Party should The Left - Democratic Socialist - Great Policy, has as many different wings as a biblically accurate angel and they all hate each other, debate over nonsense constantly, biggest figure constantly tries to pull AfD Voters with vaccine and covid conspiracism, Russia and NATO bs etc. As a left wing Person its not fun to watch German politics as our best party for substance is also just the most idiotic party in action
Similar in NZ, I think. Winston Peters and NZ first were and sort of are pretty big centrist/right-wing populists that want to return NZ back to its stage of capitalism back in the 80's. They have some good policy here and there, but they're largely crap.
Clearly, the way to deal with high energy prices is to lower regulations and give MORE control over energy to the people who most want to profit off of it! Right? That makes big-brain sense, right?
Kyle doesn't have many friends on the left since the whole "Jimmy Dore-Ana Kasparian" feud, and he probably doesnt want to ostracize the one woman willing to fuck him.
4:16 the comment section started to give me hope about breaking points until i realized the video was posted on kyle's channel so that's his audience, and not Krystal and Saagar's
@@dansheffield4021 If that is true, there will also be infighting between the "kill immigrants only" and "kill anyone with one singular melanin" sub-groups.
So left wing populism is just democracy done right, and thus using that term for it makes no sense at all. Populism is what right wing populism is, full stop.
No like right wing populism ultimately becomes fascism, left wing populism historically has devolved into authoritarian communism. With doctors and lawyers doing manual farm labor.
@@austingoomba wait, do you want this guy to keep supporting fascist movements? And, which comments are dumb, the pro sager ones or all the other ones against him?
I'm Swedish, I've lived in Italy and I also have a citizenship in Austria, where I fear they will soon also have a far right president. Not looking good. 😔 Cenk made a similar point to Saagar, but a more reasonable one. He pointed out that people are frustrated with the establishment in many countries and that it also manifests in things like the election of Colombia's president. He didn't pretend like Giorgia Meloni is good, which is what Saagar seems to be saying. Recognizing that people vote the way they do because they're angry is not the same thing as saying that those choices are good. It's also a bit of an oversimplification to say that it's all because of economic anxiety and actual injustice. The disinformation from the far right is simply very effective. In Sweden the largest party is still the Social Democrats. We have many things that Americans don't have that keep us relatively safe (universal health care etc.). Some things are getting worse, but it's still one of the best countries to live in. And yet, people are so angry and scared. Why? Because the far right's perspective of crime being the only problem worth caring about and that immigrants are to blame for it has hijacked this past election. The media has been useless in debunking the lies and at the same time, the Sweden Democrats have their own media, which many people consume instead.
He obviously has to know that these are fascist movements, not populism. He's engaging in "political appropriation", for lack of a better term. Trying to rebrand fascism as populism. And, a party with "freedom" in it's name is of course one that will undoubtedly curtail most rights and liberties once in power. For them, Nineteen Eighty-Four is an operating manual, not a cautionary tale.
Saager is desperate to be thought Cool. And for some reason his two ideas of cool are Tucker and BarStool Conservatives. RightWing Polulism eventually reaches the end of the Scooby-Doo Episode where it is unmasked as having been Fascism all along.
Yeah, basically all populism is that. The far right in Europe has basically become entirely populist at this point, and most political theorists/analysts agree that populism is just the new face of fascism.
I never watched The Hill, but I happened upon Breaking Points literally as they left The Hill and in the beginning I thought Saagar said some reasonable things considering he's conservative. But watching hundreds of segments now over the past however long it's been, he is just like every other fascist conservative. He's more well spoken and articulate, but his intelligent linguistics only serve to mask his deep rooted emptiness pertaining to why he's describing why he doesn't like something or think it's bad. Like he says he's against the student debt relief because it a, let's college students who scam the system off the hook, and b, because it lets predatory colleges off the hook. Both are indeed problematic, but to say that are problamatic enough to deny debt relief to all the other students that legitimately need it. As far as student who scam the system getting let off the hook, who cares honestly? The system is built in a way where it needs to be scammed, but it also shares the same principle as like UBI. We are ALL equal and should be considered as such, so even billionaires who dont need that guaranteed $2k a month from UBI should still rightfully get it, because they are citizens of a country where UBI is implemented. Obviously this is a hypothetical. But the same goes for college debt relief. They are all students or were students, and regardless of whether or not their character deems them unworthy of debt relief, they all should get it, because they are all students in a country where debt relief was implemented. Saagar doesn't give a shit about predatory colleges or students who scam the system. It's just an excuse for him to use to deny that relief happens for students that need it, and colleges that are actually decent. The same attitude went into the recent monkeypox thing, where he was complaining that the media was being to woke and that it was actually dangerous not to tell the public that it's spread MAINLY in gay male communities. He, like many other conservatives, acted in the same way that the party did during the AIDS epidemic. Like first of all, it's not a sexually transmitted disease, it's spread through contact with bodily fluids. Even to keep communities of gay men safe, you don't have to say it's transmitted most often in gay communities through sex, because I'm sure gay men are smart enough to know that bodily fluids means sex too, so they are just as informed if you simply mention it's spread through bodily fluids. It serves no practical purpose, and there is no increase in proactive awareness by mentioning it spreads primarily in gay male communities. The ONLY purpose that serves is to demonize LBGTQ members, which Saagar does A LOT in his fight against "woke identity politics", and to make the public look at members of that community with disgust. He didn't actually care that gay men were more statistically at risk, he just wanted a reason to call them out and shame them.
@@jimohara Sure, but you can't expect me to sympathize that much considering they KNOW she has the exact same beliefs as Mussolini, who crippled their country 80 years ago. Knowing that and still choosing her by an overwhelming margin is something that is utterly foolish to excuse or apologize for, even if their socio-economic conditions were fairly poor. Maybe, just maybe, it doesn't always just have to do with that. By that logic, the insane majority of people in Serbia being rabid nationalist fascists can be sympathized with because of their conditions as well. Not a good enough argument.
Back on 2020 Rising, Saagar and Krystal did actually made great points that often break (hehe) from MSM. Especially when they criticize their own parties. But now the bad takes from Saagar are getting more blatant. And the solutions he proposes are just baby brain borderline libertarian ideas.
That’s the point though, it’s not about just disagreeing with msm. If msnbc says 2+2=4 are you going to disagree just because it’s wolf blitzer saying it?? It’s a child’s way of thinking
@@mookiestewart3776 exactly. Saagar has evolved from pointing out hypocrisy within his own ranks to being a professional contrarian. Everyone likes the idea of not changing the clocks every 6 months? "It's terrible, I hate it!!" The general consensus is becoming more and more weed-friendly? "Weed legalization will DeStROy this country!!!" And I am sure If wolf blitzer said 2+2=4 we 100% could see him saying "but is 2+2 REALLY 4??? The brave patriots in the Slovaks-for-christian-supremacy party have a different take on things" the dude will cite literally anyone if they agree with his point and act like it's the indisputable word of God.
I wonder if Germany's "eco-friendly" government hadn't been so idiotic as to decommission their nuclear plants instead of building more (and building more plants is.by far the best way of dealing with nuclear waste, as one plant's waste is another plant's fuel) if they wouldn't stand a better chance of surviving the winter while giving to Putin the sanctions he 120% deserves, though electric heating in the main cities leaving combustion heating to towns and villages where electric heating isn't so available.
That's...really not how nuclear power plants work. You can't just indefinitely keep re-using waste. Also, Germany literally just dealt with the gas prices issue by just completely nationalizing a major gas supplier and tanking the price increase with tax money, idk what you're on about. That move was actually completely based by our government. The issue wasn't decommissioning nuclear plants, the issue was 16 years of conservatives in power who were sabotaging green energy wherever they could.
"Populism" is a pretty amorphous term from what I understand. Generally, though, it isn't defined consequentially, but rather rhetorically. I think Vaush has actually said as much in the past. The defining trait of a populist movement is usually the framing of politics as a conflict between the virtuous "people" and the villainous "elite". In that sense, Fascist movements can definitely be populist. That doesn't mean that they're good, obviously, or even that their policies would actually be good even for the people they claim to be fighting for, but that's not a requirement in order to count as populist according to most of the definitions I've encountered. As for democracy, my experience is that populists often claim to be the most fervent supporters of democracy around. The tricky part is that they often see democracy not in terms of any particular democratic process being followed, but rather simply in terms of the "people" getting what they want through whatever means happens to be the most expedient. A bit like that Luna Oi video Vaush watched recently, that means it's "democratic" even if it happens by bypassing or dismantling democratic institutions.
Fascism is a selective, faux populism. It's the appeal to a mythical "will of the *real* people" which just so happens to be the portion of the population that believes in what the fascist does. See: Trump.
As Vaush was asking what Populism even is. This is a very popular academic definition. Populism (in its widely accepted definition as a thin ideology according to Mudde) has two central features: presenting and pushing the narrative of a “general will of the people” and contrasting the “true peoples” against a corrupt and evil “elite”, highlighting their own outsider status.
@@Cream147player not really. Fascism is an ideology that often occurs together with populism. Populism is more like a shell that one can fill with an existent ideology (e.g. socialism, fascism, nationalism etc.)
Right-wing populism would be someone who promotes normally left-leaning economic policies to help the working class, while simultaneously playing to their fears about immigration and crime, being anti-political correctness, pro-patriotism and so-forth. (I.e. Socialism for "real" Americans, not for the immigrants.) Right-wing views on immigration and crime are some of the few areas where the popular view is with them in most countries. (Not the evidence-based views, but the most commonly held ones.) This is what the Nazi Party did successfully to gain power. Unfortunately many of the examples that Saagar cites are not right-wing populists, because there's no economic policy in there, not even as a carrot to get them elected. They're just regular right-wingers.
Labour leadership recently announced they'd create a nationalised Energy company here in the UK called Great British Energy if they got elected in 2024, huge news honestly. Our Labour party is looking more united than it has done in a long time, maybe even since the founding of the NHS days. Truly historic times
@@KufLMAO no. He wasn’t. He wasn’t charged. HUGE difference. The DOJ said they were unsure how the witnesses would do in front of a jury. “Gaetz CLEARED by DOJ” makes it sound as if they did an investigation and found he committed no crimes. That isn’t even remotely what happened.
Sigh i hate when Vaush watches videos and it is clear that he isn't actually paying attention to the content. He could have made real critiques instead he decided to just be obnoxious.
@@Ass_of_Amalek Probably. I enjoy pretty much all of his content even if i don't really agree with some of his takes. however, when he goes full autistic mode, i just can't.
"What is going on inside their head?" Cuts to either the bts song which sounds like someone saying the n word or the neko-arc whoever saying the word that sounds like the n-word Someone make this please
I might be wrong, but the "populist thing" might be a "generational thing". I mean, where I live (Quebec), we are in an election right now and the parties popularity is divided neatly among generational lines : we have the party that calls itself the "Trump from Quebec" and that runs a campaign against immigration that is mostly popular among the 55 yo and over; we have the "we should have done nothing during the pandemy" party, that is also against immigration, is caracterized as being populist even though it is mostly popular among the 35-54 yo voters; and then, we have the "socialist" party that is mostly popular among the 18-34 yo. Now, the youth is rarely seen as being part of "the people", because people tend to assume that "the norm" corresponds with their friends and family (this is why most people assume that they are part of the middle class) and the people having a platform on TV are rarely a part of "the youth" - best case scenario, they would be amongst the "34-55 yo". In this regard, it is interesting to consider that in Europe, populism is associated with being against the EU since the EU was in part thought as a project to redirect the spirit of the youth post-WW2 towards a project that would serve as a foil to the 3rd r3ich. I kinda sounded all over the place, but I'm not good enough in English to phrase it in a clearer way without writing a whole essay, so if I was unclear I guess it would be simpler to answer it in a case-by-case basis.
It's strange how often people will criticize vaush for platforming rightwingers meanwhile I never see criticism of Krystal for litterally cohosting with a fascist
Add this to the list of people I was wrong about and Vaush was right about as I find myself disparingly more and more aligned with the Vaushites. I really liked Doore untill he started saying down right retarded things about covid and chlorine smell. I liked BJG untill she defended MTG, I never really liked Saagar but didn't think him a proto or quasi fascist but this changes that I didn't mind some people from the greyzone but the Ukraine war has been a mask off moment for them. Clear and convincing evidence has changed my views on certain figures but the pattern is now so strong I'm beginning to wonder if I should even wait for the evidence to emerge on the very few issues I still differ from Vaush or just accept my own retardation. I never liked Hasan or Destiny so at least I have that and Mopehead and Unhrue (or whatever his name is) I always saw as colossal twats so that's also something.
The best way to stay sane is to stay apprehensive of anyone who ever says anything about politics. Be on your toes, and evaluate the level of disagreements you have. Don't autoshun anyone, or outright shun them if it's a few things (with exceptions for very big things) or very minor things. But feel entitled to shut them out if you find their base ideology is too warped from yours that you can't trust them not to manipulate you or drag you down a pipeline Basically treat everyone as sus until proven untrustworthy.
Unruhe is slightly manipulative in dismissing pol-pot as a "US spy" (which is true) instead of a by-product of Maoism (also true), and stans DPRK, but is otherwise an actual Leftist and anti-Fascist. Vaush is less Leftie than Unruhe, comically enough
I think that populism is a word that carries different meanings around the world. Populism (both left-wing and right-wing) in Europe is synonymous to demagogy, and always carries a negative meaning. In the USA it has more of a neutral meaning, from what I'm getting, and refers to anti-establishment political movements.
In the Netherlands we would call far right, an agenda of the people vs the Elite, populist. We would call Trump a populist movement. Because he is against the "Establishment", FOR the people's Unity and love for your own country. So it does sound you have a different definition of populism than the mainststream definition. It is the official term. It's better to use it like that. Or else you could confuse people. Just my take on it. Edit: A comma
The lack of awareness on current affairs by the public is saddening. The ONLY way to bring energy prices down in a timely manner if the complete and utter defeat of Russia.
This is true but only because attempting that will result in the human race being wiped off the face of the planet and there will no longer be any demand for energy.
I simultaneously love and hate how Sagaar pretends to be outraged reading out all the bad things happening when his Tucker Carlson voice is so obviously giddy over it.
There are a staggering amount of people who are willing to surrender everything that the greatest of us fought for because it costs an extra ten bucks to fill up their car.
Populism means claiming to represent the views and tastes of the common people. This can be accurate even when we reckon the plebeians misunderstand their own interests. Indeed, populist is often used to mean demagogue. That’s a rhetorical move that can work to conflate the two, as when the establishment press puts the label on both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. “All this _populism_ is scary, so [Hillary Clinton / Joe Biden] should be the choice for security!”
Okay I think what Europeans mean when they say "populism" is very different to what american leftists mean. When a European says "populism" it means a political stance designed to appeal to worst immediate impulses with the simplest possible answers, and it never ever ever means anything good. When MEPs in the Europarliament sound alarms about the "rise of populism" they always mean the rise of popular fascism In the typical European use of the word, Mussolini 2 is absolutely a populist that fits the common understanding of the word perfectly, and nobody will be under any impression that's a good thing It seems Saagar has exactly one moral statement in his head saying "populism is good" and he will describe all things under the label of "populism" as good because he is dumb and idiot evil
As much as a disappointment this election was, I would like to say something hopeful. Giorgia recieved the vote of 16% of the Italian population, 36% of Italy didn't come to vote and the second and third political parties in Italy are still """""leftist"""". If she manages to work eith the parties of Salvini and Berlusconi they miggt manage to do some harm, but Italian politicians have always been known to do as much as possible to not alienate themselves from other voters. Meloni got elected because her party was never in power, and she disn't get the chance to disappoint the Italian people. Hopefully 5 years from now we'll have lost only some of the progress in civil rights, and we'll vote her out
Not only are different brands fetching different prices for water that has no discernible difference, but people are buying it who have perfectly fine tap water (and could have fine reusable flasks for less than they spend on plastic bottles). It’s a dream racket if you can get into it, but mostly sewn up by the same capitalists who dominate the soda pop market. The bigger a pile of money you’ve got, the less likely it is that you can put it all in the optimally profitable sector. Big oil is the archetypal oligopoly; we used to speak of the Seven Sisters, but today a similar share is probably held by five or maybe even four. The members of the cartel have no vested interest in real competition, as cooperation enables them to maximize profits. This both periodically and occasionally entails price inflation, but normally low prices have encouraged an addiction to oil that bears big spikes in price
Weeeell... Russiagate is a McCarthy-styled conspiracy theory, which is dangerous, since it ignores the real reasons America has an anti-democracy, pro-fascism bent, (which is actually in the rise now), and invents a "foreign factor", similar to what Fascists themselves are doing, ironically enough. Plenty of leftist and black rights movements were raided by FBI the same day as Trump, a lot more violently and with far less evidence of... "Russian Collusion". So wake up and smell the coffee, America was always pro-fascist, no Russian spy will magically make it that way.
BTW, in Sweden the nazi party only ("only") got 20.5% of the vote while the center-left Social Democrats got 30%. The problem is a bunch of centrist parties decided to side with the nazis and that center-right group has like 3 more seats than the center-left block, so they get to try forming a government first. Likely we will go through a number of governments who fail to form a budget because the neither side has a majority.
@@zacheryeckard3051 Which part? His point was inept politicians have made choices that has led to crazy far right ppl winning elections... unless you think saagar supports those far right parties
At least in Europe, the running definition of populism is "the people should be in charge". In Italy, especially, it comes from the disenfranchisement of the population by the government, since in the last decades there has been a dissociation between the perception of the electorial vote and the formation of the government (we don't elect the president directly, only the parliament). This sentiment has been absorbed by the far right and it's been distorted to "our policy is to run with the animal instincts of our people", i.e. anti-immigration, anti-LGBTQIA+, anti-abortion rights, anti-euthanasia policies and nationalism
The withholding of natural diamonds from the market is actually premised on price being shaped by supply and demand, so that was a poor choice of example. There was really no reason to wander away from the subject of gasoline, which is by itself an excellent example of pricing independent of supply. A fit supplementary observation would be that soda pop and even bottled water have been usually selling for a higher price per gallon.
Mitt Romney is no populist. In the 2012 primary, his fellow Republicans so well remarked upon his elitism that the Obama campaign scarcely needed to do anything. (His nomination was the kind of fluke we would avoid with ranked choice voting.)
The parties similar to the Nazi party weren't all that popular... The draws for Nazism were imperialism, antisemitism, nationalism and anti-republicanism... In the 1920s the Nazis focused primarily on antisemitism and imperialism rhetoric and almost no one voted for them... Then they consolidated with various other authoritarian parties (authoritarianism was quite popular still compared to democracy, just people disagreed on what kind of authoritarian they wanted), the stock market crashed hurting the Weimar Republics' reputation and they shifted their rhetoric more towards nationalism and anti-republicanism and that's what basically allowed them to at least get Hitler to chancellor... Hitler then tried boycotting the Jews, but most people were indifferent to them in 1934 and the boycott is largely seen as a failure since very few people participated... Jewish people kept their businesses open and stood outside of it next to Nazi soldiers meant to intimidate them and the Jews just did stuff like wearing iron crosses from WW1 and stuff to show that they were good German citizens, dispelling the myths the Nazis were spreading... And people largely disregarded the boycott... Originally Hitler felt like boycotting was better than vandalism since vandalism might lead to social unrest and other bad stuff, but eventually he'd get around to doing the Krystallnacht... AND the rest of the world saw this... Do you know what they did in response to the Nazis boycotting the Jews? They held multiple rallies at Madison Square Garden that I'm pretty sure were even larger than the rally the Nazis would later do there (like, the crowds wanting to attend one of the boycotting of the Nazis rally could only fit half the people inside of the building)... Historically, antisemitism isn't a persistent thing... Often the Jews just lived fairly normally in like Medieval society for example and it was only during times of something awful happening like a plague or something that people would get angry at the Jews and maybe expel them from the country... Between those events happening though, Jews were largely fairly accepted across Europe... In Austria (a country where 10% of people joined the Nazi party btw, not necessarily due to agreeing with their beliefs but just because it was a socially 'cool' thing to do and people in your club might pressure you to do it because in their eyes it was this cutting edge new movement that was making history...) during the 1900s, 1910s, 1920s you can find from this one organization I heard about which seeks to preserve pre-war Jewish history tons of photos and footage of the Jews just going about their day in society... Just casually living life in their shtetl and stuff... Life was pretty normal... And then even under Nazi Germany, tons of Jews didn't see the Nazis as too dangerous until 1938 (5 years after the Nazis took power) when Krystallnacht happened and synagogues were burned... 1938-1939 was when 2/3 of Jews escaped from Germany... From 1933-very early 1938 though the amount of Jews leaving Germany was about as much as would normally be leaving... People only moved when they saw that things were dangerous and that moment didn't begin until 1938... Anyway, parties similar to the Nazi party were certainly more popular pre-WW2, but definitely not all that popular...
in germany when we call someone a "populist" we dont typically mean someone who advocates for poular policy but someone who expresses popular sentiments a la "everything is shit, government bad, migrants evil" so yes fascists are ( i think neccesarily) populist.
See, I think there are a lot of right wingers who are openly anti-populist. A lot of neocons and libertarians would pretty openly say they're individualist rather than populist before, some still do.
Classic vaush: "I don't like this definition, so I'll just make my own then critique all others as fascists based on that" Ingenious 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️ This is why he sounds like he's trolling
“Right wing populism” reaching it’s natural conclusion
Reaching it is conclusion
Meloni is way more left leaning than the democrats you guys vote.
oh wow right wing populism being just fascism, who could have guessed
@@democrabots right wing populism: reaching it is natural. Conclusion.
@@Ass_of_Amalek what
Saagar is like "Looking at these horrible gas prices hurting people and people struggling everywhere I can see the best way to fix it is to get rid of minorities."
Remove scabs and wages go up. Simple.
or he is pointing out how Europeans are racist and will eventually blame the minorities.
@@eris9659 at least you're honest on what you're about..
The only positive I see when the far roght takes over is minorities like saagar will realize that no the money was not worth it.
Dude sure is not white but he seems to think the far right will over look that.
@@eris9659 do you want to do the jobs immigrants usually do? Because the majority of americans refuse to do them.
Saagar is up there with Bill Maher as one of the most smug, insufferable political commentators out there
And the least talented
Maher is at least a coherent entertainer
@@IamBrixTM I feel like he's falling off even on that. His defense against 'presentism' was just him listing off 'bad' or less socially accepted things from his childhood, and somehow trying to equate those to slavery being 'normal' hundreds of years ago.
@@thechief043 How can millennials and zoomers talk about climate change, when Kim Kardashian's tweets get so many likes?
The Rising/Breaking Points model or brand especially with Saagar and Krystal is smug/insufferable
I'm a duel citizen of the US and Italy It's really depressing to see how most Italians haven't really had the mirror shoved in their faces so to speak like the Germans and the French to a lesser extent. I'm really worried about everything going on in Italy, Poland, Brazil, Hungary, and all over the world rn I hope that the list of countries lead by fascists goes down for once in my lifetime.
Germany will probably fall back into fascism within 10-20 years. It's a neverending cycle. That element never goes away. The German military is brimming with Neo Nazi groups.
@@Ass_of_Amalek It's understandable Orban winning by such a large margin. The voting method has been completely overhauled to favor him. Plus he controls the country's media and discourse. The votes from rural areas are enough to give him a 2/3 majority in parlament, even though it's less than 50% of people.
The elections were not fair and there was never a chance to defeat him. Much like Russia.
@@Ass_of_Amalek That is true.
Haven't you heard? You get out of pocket in Japan and you will be assassinated.
Ah, didn't know duels were still a thing in the colosseum over there
If Saagar was actually a populist, he would be willing to put aside his political differences with Bernie Sanders and vote for him.
Bernie is literally the only candidate trying to do any of the things a populist could claim to believe in, which is how you know Saagar isn't one.
Any sane populist opposes everything Bernie supports. Populism rejects socialism.
Populism =/= good things.
He is 100% a right wing populist.
99.9% of the time, Populism, left or right, only leads to bad shit. But at least the left tries to start with good intentions. But it's a braindead ideology that only leads to destructive mob rule.
Nailed it!
He puts aside his differences with non-populist right wingers and votes for them. That's the problem with right wing populists, they're right wingers first.
No, but only because populism is a style of politics and doesn't come with any policy prerequisites.
Racism can be populism just as centrist liberalism and socialism can be
I love how a few years ago when Krystal and Saagar were still on Rising, there was a mini-controversy about 'Right-Populists' just being fascists. They were both indigent about that being the case, yet here's a real-life example of it and Saagar's just like, 'Yeah...Based.' Are modern fascists genuinely too stupid to know what their own beliefs are?
Yeah. Nathan Robinson was right.
He's made other mistakes, unfortunately, but he was dead on the money with the current wave of "right populism" just being re-branded fascism (at the best, fash-lite or fash-enabling. But the logical conclusion is just straight up fascism.)
@@r-pupz7032 Yep! It's not even a difficult leap to make anyway especially when you look at the 'shining lights' of right populists when Nathan made his article a simple look into what these people believe tells you who and what they are
Fascists don't care that they're self-contradictory, stupid, cliche, boring, and predictable. Never have. They delight in it. They play with words and mock people who care about truth or coherence. The sadism is the main point.
for the italian side, yea, they dumb as rock and whould be the first ones to breack once the executive part of their ruling starts (or never actually reach that point before imploding due to idiocy)
Wikipedia: Finland: Sexual violence: Perpetrators: wow.
BBC Sweden 58% foreigner.
Ukrainian 18 year old Germany.
Taharrush gamea.
Marocchinate.
New years eve Colonge Germany.
Rotherham scandal.
Manchester scandal.
Rochdale scandal.
West Yorkshire scandal.
Newcastle scandal.
Oxford scandal.
Bradford scandal.
Telford scandal.
Aylesbury scandal.
Huddersfield scandal.
Zabihullah Mohmand Montana.
Fort McCoy Afghans.
Somali sweden 9 years old.
Skaf gang australia.
Simon Mol.
Oulu scandal.
Tapanila somali.
Glasgow grooming gang.
Ross Parker.
Kriss Donald.
Lara Logan Egypt.
Temar Bishop.
Morocco beheading.
Greece Ahmed Waqas.
France:
Ndiaga Dieye police attack
Rambouillet police attack
Orthodox priest wounded Lyon
2020 Nice stabbing
Samuel Paty attack
2020 Paris stabbing attack
Colombes police attack
2020 Romans-sur-isère knife attack
Metz police stabbing
2020 Villejuif stabbing
Paris police headquartes stabbing
2019 Lyon bombing
2018 Strasburg attack
Asadollah Asadi
2018 Paris knife attack
Carcassonne and Trèbes attack
2017 Marseille stabbing
2017 Levallois-Perret attack
2017 Notre Dame attack
2017 Orly airport attack
2017 Paris machete attack
2016 Normandy church attack
Nice truck attack
2016 Magnanville stabbing
2016 Paris police station attack
Valence car attack
November 2015 Paris attacks
2015 Thalys train attack
Charlie Hebdo attack
Don’t care for Saagar.
The problem is the enabler sitting next to him; allowing his views to have more salience.
If she’d actually challenged & not let BP audience be minimum 60% Republicans & Trumpers & 30% DumbDumbLeft & maybe 10% sane left… then Saagar will just be like another dozens & dozens of ReichWing talking heads with no real influence outside their rightwing bubbles.
She give him the legitimacy… by barely ever challenging!
And even when she’s challenging him; she’s tripping over her words to squeeze out *well I disagree with that* to quickly move on to bashing democrats or “woke establishment”.
Detestable stuff.
She actually pushes back a lot and often embarrasses Saager (Vaush covered one of those videos).
Unfortunately, it's paywalled (though there is the podcast).
@@alvarovazquez525 when I watched the shows on UA-cam all the stuff wasn't very confrontational. So do they literally paywall any pushback?
I've never seen that happen. Every once in a blue moon she'll speak up, but it's always weak and polite because he's her friend.
Ooooh, “ReichWing”. That’s good, I’m gonna steal that! 😝
I'd say the BP audience is more like 90% MAGAt fascists at this point. And you're 100% right about Krystal Ball being a sellout hack for platforming their vile BS
Saagar is indeed against student debt cancellation. Apparently his galaxy brain solution to student debt and college grad underemployment is to just destroy all institutions of higher learning. That's not a joke, he literally said that.
Yup, he does believe that, what an idiot.
How does student debt cancellation solve anything?
Why cancel college debt when you can cancel college
@@josequilesmacia4978 based
@@jimbob498 you're being ironic right? *right?*
I’m a simple man. I see Vaush dunking on Saagar , I click.
Weirdly enough, in italian, "populist" means something different and that very much summarizes Meloni and her kins: someone that gathers political consensus by simply telling people what they want to hear, whether they are going to actually do such things or not (the near totality of times they don't)
@@CambrianAnomalocaris oh I see, so it doesn't actually mean "someone with policy objectives aimed at a majoritary slice of the population?"
@@Ass_of_Amalek it's not a thing vaush only does (as the reacted video showed), I've yet to hear a single american, or even english-speaker, using it differently
@@Ass_of_Amalek 1. I should have specified "before this video".
2. Despite it being used wrong (and me being in favor of correcting who does), if you mean something positive with it you can't be bashed for promoting it.
@@Ass_of_Amalek 1. No: "positive thing" isn't necessarily something popular, so it doesn't follow.
2. Doesn't matter, I wasn't saying "it's good to act populist if you do it for positive things", I said "it's not negative to be in favor of something positive just because you associate to it a negative name"
It means that in basically all European countries, that's how the term is typically understood by most people.
I really don't get why Vaush insists that there is such a thing as left wing populism.
I'm surprised you haven't done more Breaking Points cringe. Just Saggar segments would fill a stadium
Yup we need more of this.
Definitely need more!
Krystal Ball's where is my coup before the coup is just perfect. Vaush's response was before the coup and he got it right.
KB invited him to KK& Friends and has been soft on Krystal every since
@@mazibukomail Shes been less objectionable since the dems won as far as I can tell. Saagar has become insufferable. Krystal being wrong about Trump was hilarious because she was doing that whole liberal Trump isn;t that bad because he isn't hurting me thing.
He’s just staying in his lane. It’s really no surprise. I can’t believe I use to actually watch Breaking Points.
Same. I really enjoyed the show for the first 8 months or so… Saagar’s mask mandates whining is what got me to unsubscribe and everything I’ve seen since has made me glad I did
@@Ass_of_Amalek when breaking points started i thought it would be less politically biased than rising on gave it a watch for a while. It progressed to Tucker light in short order though
The way it’s been pitched is, left meets right, 50-50 balance. When it skews in favour of the right.
I need someone to go on Breaking Points and do to Saagar and Krystal what Jon Stewart did to Tucker Carlson on Crossfire.
Sure because that stopped Tucker right
@@pepe2493 it did slow him down for a few years and it was entertaining so I'll take it
@@pepe2493 Stopping Tucker was never the goal. He can always find some venue to perform his partisan hackery. It was satisfying just to see Stewart abuse Tucker on his own show while Tucker flailed and screeched. Crossfire was canceled not long after Stewart’s appearance.
Vaush, step right up! 😁
It's kinda funny to me that populism has a positive connotation in the US, because here in Germany people usually mean it in a negative way.
As in "appeal to popular talking points without any real substance behind it or real plans to fix things"
It's the same in Italy, the right won because it is extremely populist, unlike the left which is perceived as elitist and far from the real problems of the people. Very strange.
Yeah, populism here is accepted to basically only be fascism in disguise. That weird idea 'muricans have of "left wing populism" is honestly just not real.
I need to get into German politics
@@judas4544 You dont, there are 6 parties and all of them suck for some reason. Its just very nuanced and complex lesser evil voting
AfD - Far Right Populist - Self explainatory and very racist
CDU - Christian Conservative - Self explainatory and very corrupt
FDP - Right Libertariam - Self explainatory and pretty corrupt
SPD - Social Democrat - Unfortunately okay on paper but weak, ineffective in reality and...oh...corrupt
Greens - Green Social Democrats - More Populism than substance, like companies way more than a Green Party should
The Left - Democratic Socialist - Great Policy, has as many different wings as a biblically accurate angel and they all hate each other, debate over nonsense constantly, biggest figure constantly tries to pull AfD Voters with vaccine and covid conspiracism, Russia and NATO bs etc.
As a left wing Person its not fun to watch German politics as our best party for substance is also just the most idiotic party in action
Similar in NZ, I think. Winston Peters and NZ first were and sort of are pretty big centrist/right-wing populists that want to return NZ back to its stage of capitalism back in the 80's. They have some good policy here and there, but they're largely crap.
Clearly, the way to deal with high energy prices is to lower regulations and give MORE control over energy to the people who most want to profit off of it! Right? That makes big-brain sense, right?
Yep, and to never use government power to control price gouging. That would be CoMmuLisT
Populism!
Lol is that what you think Saagar said?
@@dogeatdog6157 lol, did they say that's what saagar said?
@@scslre Oh i guess you are right, they weren't implying thats what he meant. Thanks.
Saager = Tucker carlson with training wheels.
I wonder if Kyle is just ignoring the fact that his fiancé is friends with a fascist?
Or is Krystal just in denial about Saagar?
Both
100% both. Krystal and Kyle still think Glenn Greenwald has principles.
Wait, they're engaged? Well, they are two dumbass peas in a pod.
Maybe both
Kyle doesn't have many friends on the left since the whole "Jimmy Dore-Ana Kasparian" feud, and he probably doesnt want to ostracize the one woman willing to fuck him.
Fun fact, when you close your eyes and listen to Saagar's voice, you hear Caleb Maupin.
I hear more of someone who is a wannabe Tucker Carlson.
Hence why I call him Tucker Carlson Jr
Maupin gets off on people beating and punishing him for being a bad boy. Saagar gets off on people punishing him for being the child of immigrants.
@@thedarknight307 isn't tucker just a rich Maupin with a suit and a barber always ready?
@@thedarknight307 Indian Tucker Carslon
I apologise on the behalf of the Indian Diaspora for Saagar. Being POC doesn't save all of us from being a Fascist
What “fascism”?
Of course not! Just look at India's current government.
@@jimbob498 ligma fascism
But if you come from the higher, richer, castes you are "Aryan", literally... everybody else is actually the POC🤔🤣
Indians love right wing nationalism just look at the government and the Indian media
4:16 the comment section started to give me hope about breaking points until i realized the video was posted on kyle's channel so that's his audience, and not Krystal and Saagar's
😂😂😂
ngl it amuses me to no end that sagaar plays defense for fascists when he'd be among the first in line for the camps
@@Ass_of_Amalek they may be tokens, but they'll be burnt the moment they deem they've won, they're useless at that point
I honestly see the American version of fascism, when it comes, to be more about nativism than race. Sort of a big tent fascism if you will.
@@dansheffield4021 If that is true, there will also be infighting between the "kill immigrants only" and "kill anyone with one singular melanin" sub-groups.
@@dansheffield4021 now was that an
*innuendo?*
@@Ass_of_Amalek bro I’m half black and they would 100% murder him given the chance . It doesn’t matter how “useful” you think he is to them
Left-wing populism is doing what the people want; right-wing populism is telling the people what they want.
Well by that definition that makes Vaush a rightwing populist.
So left wing populism is just democracy done right, and thus using that term for it makes no sense at all. Populism is what right wing populism is, full stop.
No like right wing populism ultimately becomes fascism, left wing populism historically has devolved into authoritarian communism. With doctors and lawyers doing manual farm labor.
I love how Sagars entire first point boils down to “going against Russian imperialism leads to higher energy costs” lmao fucking insane
Don’t worry he will hit many new lows even worse than this in the upcoming years
@@austingoomba wait, do you want this guy to keep supporting fascist movements? And, which comments are dumb, the pro sager ones or all the other ones against him?
Like we have years left 😩😔
@@judas4544 good point actually
Hey look its Tucker Carlson Jr, who Krystal has zero spine to challenge on.
@@Ass_of_Amalek yep
I haven't seen Breaking Points in a long time. I just noticed Saagar has totally adopted Tucker Carlson's cadence. Like purposefully...
He does sound like him 😄 The inflections and shit.
Fascism Part 2: Electric Bugaloo
I AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐
Electric Fasciloo
Eclectic Wehraboo
I'm Swedish, I've lived in Italy and I also have a citizenship in Austria, where I fear they will soon also have a far right president. Not looking good. 😔
Cenk made a similar point to Saagar, but a more reasonable one. He pointed out that people are frustrated with the establishment in many countries and that it also manifests in things like the election of Colombia's president. He didn't pretend like Giorgia Meloni is good, which is what Saagar seems to be saying.
Recognizing that people vote the way they do because they're angry is not the same thing as saying that those choices are good.
It's also a bit of an oversimplification to say that it's all because of economic anxiety and actual injustice. The disinformation from the far right is simply very effective.
In Sweden the largest party is still the Social Democrats. We have many things that Americans don't have that keep us relatively safe (universal health care etc.). Some things are getting worse, but it's still one of the best countries to live in. And yet, people are so angry and scared. Why? Because the far right's perspective of crime being the only problem worth caring about and that immigrants are to blame for it has hijacked this past election. The media has been useless in debunking the lies and at the same time, the Sweden Democrats have their own media, which many people consume instead.
He obviously has to know that these are fascist movements, not populism. He's engaging in "political appropriation", for lack of a better term. Trying to rebrand fascism as populism. And, a party with "freedom" in it's name is of course one that will undoubtedly curtail most rights and liberties once in power. For them, Nineteen Eighty-Four is an operating manual, not a cautionary tale.
Populism is inherently a fascist style of politics, idk what to tell you. There's no "positive" way of doing populism.
I said it once and I'll say it again.
The US did not fight Fascists in WWII, they fought Foreigners.
Saagar and Crystal are such hacks...
I AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐
Kyle is marrying that hack so that makes him half hack.
Krystal did well holding her own on Bill Maher, but she doesn't want to cut ties with Saagar after they bonded during their time on The Hill.
It would be an extremely bad look if even the ones that were supposed to get along couldn't do it.
@@saintkupo Kyle was actively trying to convince people not to vote in the 2016 election after Bernie lost so i'd say Kyle is also a complete hack
Saager is desperate to be thought Cool. And for some reason his two ideas of cool are Tucker and BarStool Conservatives.
RightWing Polulism eventually reaches the end of the Scooby-Doo Episode where it is unmasked as having been Fascism all along.
Yeah, basically all populism is that. The far right in Europe has basically become entirely populist at this point, and most political theorists/analysts agree that populism is just the new face of fascism.
I never watched The Hill, but I happened upon Breaking Points literally as they left The Hill and in the beginning I thought Saagar said some reasonable things considering he's conservative. But watching hundreds of segments now over the past however long it's been, he is just like every other fascist conservative. He's more well spoken and articulate, but his intelligent linguistics only serve to mask his deep rooted emptiness pertaining to why he's describing why he doesn't like something or think it's bad. Like he says he's against the student debt relief because it a, let's college students who scam the system off the hook, and b, because it lets predatory colleges off the hook. Both are indeed problematic, but to say that are problamatic enough to deny debt relief to all the other students that legitimately need it.
As far as student who scam the system getting let off the hook, who cares honestly? The system is built in a way where it needs to be scammed, but it also shares the same principle as like UBI. We are ALL equal and should be considered as such, so even billionaires who dont need that guaranteed $2k a month from UBI should still rightfully get it, because they are citizens of a country where UBI is implemented. Obviously this is a hypothetical. But the same goes for college debt relief. They are all students or were students, and regardless of whether or not their character deems them unworthy of debt relief, they all should get it, because they are all students in a country where debt relief was implemented.
Saagar doesn't give a shit about predatory colleges or students who scam the system. It's just an excuse for him to use to deny that relief happens for students that need it, and colleges that are actually decent.
The same attitude went into the recent monkeypox thing, where he was complaining that the media was being to woke and that it was actually dangerous not to tell the public that it's spread MAINLY in gay male communities. He, like many other conservatives, acted in the same way that the party did during the AIDS epidemic. Like first of all, it's not a sexually transmitted disease, it's spread through contact with bodily fluids.
Even to keep communities of gay men safe, you don't have to say it's transmitted most often in gay communities through sex, because I'm sure gay men are smart enough to know that bodily fluids means sex too, so they are just as informed if you simply mention it's spread through bodily fluids. It serves no practical purpose, and there is no increase in proactive awareness by mentioning it spreads primarily in gay male communities. The ONLY purpose that serves is to demonize LBGTQ members, which Saagar does A LOT in his fight against "woke identity politics", and to make the public look at members of that community with disgust. He didn't actually care that gay men were more statistically at risk, he just wanted a reason to call them out and shame them.
giving that Sagar was slobbing on the knobs of the black rifle coffee guys a few months this is not surprising
Saagar, a con, loves Miss Mussolini? Wow! That's so crazy, dude!
@@jimohara No shit. They have the same beliefs, too. Many of them do anyway...
@@jimohara Yeah, and that kinda says a lot about their learning from history. That is to say, they learned nothing.
@@jimohara Sure, but you can't expect me to sympathize that much considering they KNOW she has the exact same beliefs as Mussolini, who crippled their country 80 years ago. Knowing that and still choosing her by an overwhelming margin is something that is utterly foolish to excuse or apologize for, even if their socio-economic conditions were fairly poor. Maybe, just maybe, it doesn't always just have to do with that. By that logic, the insane majority of people in Serbia being rabid nationalist fascists can be sympathized with because of their conditions as well. Not a good enough argument.
WSJ today: The new PM is not actually a Fascist. -Two Far Right Italian Academics
Well, if they said it it must be true.
Mussolini didn’t collaborate with Nazis. He literally came up with the term to describe his movement.
If it's any consolation, if Italian politics up to this point are anything to go by, she'll be gone in two years or less.
Back on 2020 Rising, Saagar and Krystal did actually made great points that often break (hehe) from MSM. Especially when they criticize their own parties. But now the bad takes from Saagar are getting more blatant. And the solutions he proposes are just baby brain borderline libertarian ideas.
That’s the point though, it’s not about just disagreeing with msm. If msnbc says 2+2=4 are you going to disagree just because it’s wolf blitzer saying it?? It’s a child’s way of thinking
@@mookiestewart3776 exactly. Saagar has evolved from pointing out hypocrisy within his own ranks to being a professional contrarian. Everyone likes the idea of not changing the clocks every 6 months? "It's terrible, I hate it!!" The general consensus is becoming more and more weed-friendly? "Weed legalization will DeStROy this country!!!" And I am sure If wolf blitzer said 2+2=4 we 100% could see him saying "but is 2+2 REALLY 4??? The brave patriots in the Slovaks-for-christian-supremacy party have a different take on things" the dude will cite literally anyone if they agree with his point and act like it's the indisputable word of God.
Lol nope, they were always pretty shit
Saagar is awful, but Krystals willingness to just let him go unopposed is even worse.
Who can seriously sit there and watch krystal and sagar read from cue cards ?
**Munches on some popcorn while Saagar’s anon alt account ree’s and cries in the replies here 🍿 **
The fact that Kyle and Krystal continue to associate with this degenerate destroys any charitability I could extend to them.
you are just full of blind h8
Pepe the frog turned into a real person and changed his name to Soggy 😮
Fraagar
Vaush should debate Saagar
even his tie is crooked
I wonder if Germany's "eco-friendly" government hadn't been so idiotic as to decommission their nuclear plants instead of building more (and building more plants is.by far the best way of dealing with nuclear waste, as one plant's waste is another plant's fuel) if they wouldn't stand a better chance of surviving the winter while giving to Putin the sanctions he 120% deserves, though electric heating in the main cities leaving combustion heating to towns and villages where electric heating isn't so available.
That's...really not how nuclear power plants work. You can't just indefinitely keep re-using waste.
Also, Germany literally just dealt with the gas prices issue by just completely nationalizing a major gas supplier and tanking the price increase with tax money, idk what you're on about. That move was actually completely based by our government.
The issue wasn't decommissioning nuclear plants, the issue was 16 years of conservatives in power who were sabotaging green energy wherever they could.
"Populism" is a pretty amorphous term from what I understand. Generally, though, it isn't defined consequentially, but rather rhetorically. I think Vaush has actually said as much in the past. The defining trait of a populist movement is usually the framing of politics as a conflict between the virtuous "people" and the villainous "elite". In that sense, Fascist movements can definitely be populist. That doesn't mean that they're good, obviously, or even that their policies would actually be good even for the people they claim to be fighting for, but that's not a requirement in order to count as populist according to most of the definitions I've encountered.
As for democracy, my experience is that populists often claim to be the most fervent supporters of democracy around. The tricky part is that they often see democracy not in terms of any particular democratic process being followed, but rather simply in terms of the "people" getting what they want through whatever means happens to be the most expedient. A bit like that Luna Oi video Vaush watched recently, that means it's "democratic" even if it happens by bypassing or dismantling democratic institutions.
"Those fuckers are taking our shit!"
-the essence of politics
Fascism is a selective, faux populism.
It's the appeal to a mythical "will of the *real* people" which just so happens to be the portion of the population that believes in what the fascist does. See: Trump.
As Vaush was asking what Populism even is. This is a very popular academic definition.
Populism (in its widely accepted definition as a thin ideology according to Mudde) has two central features: presenting and pushing the narrative of a “general will of the people” and contrasting the “true peoples” against a corrupt and evil “elite”, highlighting their own outsider status.
That definition is literally fascism.
@@Cream147player not really. Fascism is an ideology that often occurs together with populism. Populism is more like a shell that one can fill with an existent ideology (e.g. socialism, fascism, nationalism etc.)
Right-wing populism would be someone who promotes normally left-leaning economic policies to help the working class, while simultaneously playing to their fears about immigration and crime, being anti-political correctness, pro-patriotism and so-forth. (I.e. Socialism for "real" Americans, not for the immigrants.) Right-wing views on immigration and crime are some of the few areas where the popular view is with them in most countries. (Not the evidence-based views, but the most commonly held ones.) This is what the Nazi Party did successfully to gain power.
Unfortunately many of the examples that Saagar cites are not right-wing populists, because there's no economic policy in there, not even as a carrot to get them elected. They're just regular right-wingers.
October 2nd is the elections in Brazil. As an Argentinian, I'm very concerned about what may happen then. They do have a bigger army after all...
Isn't this just every take from Saagar?
Labour leadership recently announced they'd create a nationalised Energy company here in the UK called Great British Energy if they got elected in 2024, huge news honestly. Our Labour party is looking more united than it has done in a long time, maybe even since the founding of the NHS days. Truly historic times
I hate how Vaush doesn't call out KB anymore
Yeah but Kyle might give him the Will Smith slap lol
The last headline I saw from Breaking Points was “Gaetz Cleared by DOJ”
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@@KufLMAO no. He wasn’t. He wasn’t charged. HUGE difference.
The DOJ said they were unsure how the witnesses would do in front of a jury. “Gaetz CLEARED by DOJ” makes it sound as if they did an investigation and found he committed no crimes. That isn’t even remotely what happened.
@@KG9551 spot on. critical thinking skills are MIA in america.
Sigh i hate when Vaush watches videos and it is clear that he isn't actually paying attention to the content. He could have made real critiques instead he decided to just be obnoxious.
@@Ass_of_Amalek Probably. I enjoy pretty much all of his content even if i don't really agree with some of his takes. however, when he goes full autistic mode, i just can't.
"What is going on inside their head?"
Cuts to either the bts song which sounds like someone saying the n word or the neko-arc whoever saying the word that sounds like the n-word
Someone make this please
At you play melty blood?
Someone tried to use "she's actually just a typical european conservative" as though fascism being the standard position makes it okay lmao
I've heard that one too oddly, and that's not good, this can't be the norm
@@Ass_of_Amalek You know her positions are public, right? She's absolutely fascist.
I might be wrong, but the "populist thing" might be a "generational thing". I mean, where I live (Quebec), we are in an election right now and the parties popularity is divided neatly among generational lines : we have the party that calls itself the "Trump from Quebec" and that runs a campaign against immigration that is mostly popular among the 55 yo and over; we have the "we should have done nothing during the pandemy" party, that is also against immigration, is caracterized as being populist even though it is mostly popular among the 35-54 yo voters; and then, we have the "socialist" party that is mostly popular among the 18-34 yo. Now, the youth is rarely seen as being part of "the people", because people tend to assume that "the norm" corresponds with their friends and family (this is why most people assume that they are part of the middle class) and the people having a platform on TV are rarely a part of "the youth" - best case scenario, they would be amongst the "34-55 yo". In this regard, it is interesting to consider that in Europe, populism is associated with being against the EU since the EU was in part thought as a project to redirect the spirit of the youth post-WW2 towards a project that would serve as a foil to the 3rd r3ich.
I kinda sounded all over the place, but I'm not good enough in English to phrase it in a clearer way without writing a whole essay, so if I was unclear I guess it would be simpler to answer it in a case-by-case basis.
It's strange how often people will criticize vaush for platforming rightwingers meanwhile I never see criticism of Krystal for litterally cohosting with a fascist
Add this to the list of people I was wrong about and Vaush was right about as I find myself disparingly more and more aligned with the Vaushites.
I really liked Doore untill he started saying down right retarded things about covid and chlorine smell. I liked BJG untill she defended MTG, I never really liked Saagar but didn't think him a proto or quasi fascist but this changes that I didn't mind some people from the greyzone but the Ukraine war has been a mask off moment for them.
Clear and convincing evidence has changed my views on certain figures but the pattern is now so strong I'm beginning to wonder if I should even wait for the evidence to emerge on the very few issues I still differ from Vaush or just accept my own retardation.
I never liked Hasan or Destiny so at least I have that and Mopehead and Unhrue (or whatever his name is) I always saw as colossal twats so that's also something.
The best way to stay sane is to stay apprehensive of anyone who ever says anything about politics. Be on your toes, and evaluate the level of disagreements you have. Don't autoshun anyone, or outright shun them if it's a few things (with exceptions for very big things) or very minor things. But feel entitled to shut them out if you find their base ideology is too warped from yours that you can't trust them not to manipulate you or drag you down a pipeline
Basically treat everyone as sus until proven untrustworthy.
Unruhe is slightly manipulative in dismissing pol-pot as a "US spy" (which is true) instead of a by-product of Maoism (also true), and stans DPRK, but is otherwise an actual Leftist and anti-Fascist. Vaush is less Leftie than Unruhe, comically enough
Saagar tries to be Tucker so bad
I think that populism is a word that carries different meanings around the world. Populism (both left-wing and right-wing) in Europe is synonymous to demagogy, and always carries a negative meaning. In the USA it has more of a neutral meaning, from what I'm getting, and refers to anti-establishment political movements.
I will never stop kicking myself for ever having been a fan of Krystal Ball
I wish he had the courage to come on and debate you. But he isn’t, soooooo…. 🤷♂️
Saager debate a twitch streamer? Why? What do children know about politics?
@@jimbob498 true. Saagar either doesn’t know politics or he’s willingly lying. Good point. *Nodders*
In the Netherlands we would call far right, an agenda of the people vs the Elite, populist. We would call Trump a populist movement. Because he is against the "Establishment", FOR the people's Unity and love for your own country.
So it does sound you have a different definition of populism than the mainststream definition. It is the official term. It's better to use it like that. Or else you could confuse people.
Just my take on it.
Edit: A comma
The lack of awareness on current affairs by the public is saddening. The ONLY way to bring energy prices down in a timely manner if the complete and utter defeat of Russia.
This is true but only because attempting that will result in the human race being wiped off the face of the planet and there will no longer be any demand for energy.
I simultaneously love and hate how Sagaar pretends to be outraged reading out all the bad things happening when his Tucker Carlson voice is so obviously giddy over it.
Tucker is a mentor of his after all 😀
Meloni would deport the SHIT out of anyone that looked like Saagar.
There are a staggering amount of people who are willing to surrender everything that the greatest of us fought for because it costs an extra ten bucks to fill up their car.
Populism means claiming to represent the views and tastes of the common people. This can be accurate even when we reckon the plebeians misunderstand their own interests.
Indeed, populist is often used to mean demagogue. That’s a rhetorical move that can work to conflate the two, as when the establishment press puts the label on both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
“All this _populism_ is scary, so [Hillary Clinton / Joe Biden] should be the choice for security!”
Okay I think what Europeans mean when they say "populism" is very different to what american leftists mean.
When a European says "populism" it means a political stance designed to appeal to worst immediate impulses with the simplest possible answers, and it never ever ever means anything good. When MEPs in the Europarliament sound alarms about the "rise of populism" they always mean the rise of popular fascism
In the typical European use of the word, Mussolini 2 is absolutely a populist that fits the common understanding of the word perfectly, and nobody will be under any impression that's a good thing
It seems Saagar has exactly one moral statement in his head saying "populism is good" and he will describe all things under the label of "populism" as good because he is dumb and idiot evil
"... the former USSR country ..." - Slovakia was never part of the USSR - you should ignore everything this guy says
As much as a disappointment this election was, I would like to say something hopeful. Giorgia recieved the vote of 16% of the Italian population, 36% of Italy didn't come to vote and the second and third political parties in Italy are still """""leftist"""". If she manages to work eith the parties of Salvini and Berlusconi they miggt manage to do some harm, but Italian politicians have always been known to do as much as possible to not alienate themselves from other voters. Meloni got elected because her party was never in power, and she disn't get the chance to disappoint the Italian people. Hopefully 5 years from now we'll have lost only some of the progress in civil rights, and we'll vote her out
I crap in jars, it's for sale.
Not only are different brands fetching different prices for water that has no discernible difference, but people are buying it who have perfectly fine tap water (and could have fine reusable flasks for less than they spend on plastic bottles).
It’s a dream racket if you can get into it, but mostly sewn up by the same capitalists who dominate the soda pop market. The bigger a pile of money you’ve got, the less likely it is that you can put it all in the optimally profitable sector.
Big oil is the archetypal oligopoly; we used to speak of the Seven Sisters, but today a similar share is probably held by five or maybe even four. The members of the cartel have no vested interest in real competition, as cooperation enables them to maximize profits. This both periodically and occasionally entails price inflation, but normally low prices have encouraged an addiction to oil that bears big spikes in price
Calling Mussolini a "nazi collaborator" is an interesting way to put it...
Personally I'd have gone with something more like "big papa nazi" tbh...
Populism is when you do a Fascism and racism
yeah, it actually is.
Do a video about Matt Taibbi saying "Russiagate" was more destructive than Jan 6 and Katie Halper and Mate nodding along.
Weeeell... Russiagate is a McCarthy-styled conspiracy theory, which is dangerous, since it ignores the real reasons America has an anti-democracy, pro-fascism bent, (which is actually in the rise now), and invents a "foreign factor", similar to what Fascists themselves are doing, ironically enough. Plenty of leftist and black rights movements were raided by FBI the same day as Trump, a lot more violently and with far less evidence of... "Russian Collusion". So wake up and smell the coffee, America was always pro-fascist, no Russian spy will magically make it that way.
Who does Saagar think is going into the chambers first? Has he seen his own skin tone?
BTW, in Sweden the nazi party only ("only") got 20.5% of the vote while the center-left Social Democrats got 30%. The problem is a bunch of centrist parties decided to side with the nazis and that center-right group has like 3 more seats than the center-left block, so they get to try forming a government first. Likely we will go through a number of governments who fail to form a budget because the neither side has a majority.
Saagar is often just a more subtle Tucker Carlson.
Vaush needs to talk about Ecosia they are a search engine that plants trees
Ecosia has existed for more than a decade, almost everyone I've met knows about it.
At what point did saagar lend his support to the NEWS he was reporting on?
His framing.
@@zacheryeckard3051 Which part? His point was inept politicians have made choices that has led to crazy far right ppl winning elections... unless you think saagar supports those far right parties
As Indians, we do not claim Saagar.
So you're saying I can turn people into diamonds?! Cha-ching!!!
"When people get pissed off, crazy things happen."
Haha, those fascists, so cuh-rayzayyyyy, amirite guys? I mean, WOW what a bunch of go-getters, huh?
At least in Europe, the running definition of populism is "the people should be in charge". In Italy, especially, it comes from the disenfranchisement of the population by the government, since in the last decades there has been a dissociation between the perception of the electorial vote and the formation of the government (we don't elect the president directly, only the parliament). This sentiment has been absorbed by the far right and it's been distorted to "our policy is to run with the animal instincts of our people", i.e. anti-immigration, anti-LGBTQIA+, anti-abortion rights, anti-euthanasia policies and nationalism
Saagar is trying SO HARD to be Tucker Carlson.
The withholding of natural diamonds from the market is actually premised on price being shaped by supply and demand, so that was a poor choice of example.
There was really no reason to wander away from the subject of gasoline, which is by itself an excellent example of pricing independent of supply. A fit supplementary observation would be that soda pop and even bottled water have been usually selling for a higher price per gallon.
actual slovakian here and it feels so fucking weird to see someone make fanfiction about your country l
Trey Gowdy looks like Judge Doom from Roger Rabbit
Mitt Romney is no populist. In the 2012 primary, his fellow Republicans so well remarked upon his elitism that the Obama campaign scarcely needed to do anything. (His nomination was the kind of fluke we would avoid with ranked choice voting.)
"Czechia" and can't tell apart French from Italian neither 😵💫
Protest in Brussels was left wing though, that's why they are wearing green and red, the right colours in Belgium are yellow and black
Someone hasn't taken their lithium
Vaush vs Saagar actual debate when? He's one of the least crazy folks on the modern right. I'd love to see Vaush actually go in on him. Or Sam Seder.
The parties similar to the Nazi party weren't all that popular... The draws for Nazism were imperialism, antisemitism, nationalism and anti-republicanism... In the 1920s the Nazis focused primarily on antisemitism and imperialism rhetoric and almost no one voted for them... Then they consolidated with various other authoritarian parties (authoritarianism was quite popular still compared to democracy, just people disagreed on what kind of authoritarian they wanted), the stock market crashed hurting the Weimar Republics' reputation and they shifted their rhetoric more towards nationalism and anti-republicanism and that's what basically allowed them to at least get Hitler to chancellor... Hitler then tried boycotting the Jews, but most people were indifferent to them in 1934 and the boycott is largely seen as a failure since very few people participated... Jewish people kept their businesses open and stood outside of it next to Nazi soldiers meant to intimidate them and the Jews just did stuff like wearing iron crosses from WW1 and stuff to show that they were good German citizens, dispelling the myths the Nazis were spreading... And people largely disregarded the boycott... Originally Hitler felt like boycotting was better than vandalism since vandalism might lead to social unrest and other bad stuff, but eventually he'd get around to doing the Krystallnacht... AND the rest of the world saw this... Do you know what they did in response to the Nazis boycotting the Jews? They held multiple rallies at Madison Square Garden that I'm pretty sure were even larger than the rally the Nazis would later do there (like, the crowds wanting to attend one of the boycotting of the Nazis rally could only fit half the people inside of the building)...
Historically, antisemitism isn't a persistent thing... Often the Jews just lived fairly normally in like Medieval society for example and it was only during times of something awful happening like a plague or something that people would get angry at the Jews and maybe expel them from the country... Between those events happening though, Jews were largely fairly accepted across Europe... In Austria (a country where 10% of people joined the Nazi party btw, not necessarily due to agreeing with their beliefs but just because it was a socially 'cool' thing to do and people in your club might pressure you to do it because in their eyes it was this cutting edge new movement that was making history...) during the 1900s, 1910s, 1920s you can find from this one organization I heard about which seeks to preserve pre-war Jewish history tons of photos and footage of the Jews just going about their day in society... Just casually living life in their shtetl and stuff... Life was pretty normal...
And then even under Nazi Germany, tons of Jews didn't see the Nazis as too dangerous until 1938 (5 years after the Nazis took power) when Krystallnacht happened and synagogues were burned... 1938-1939 was when 2/3 of Jews escaped from Germany... From 1933-very early 1938 though the amount of Jews leaving Germany was about as much as would normally be leaving... People only moved when they saw that things were dangerous and that moment didn't begin until 1938...
Anyway, parties similar to the Nazi party were certainly more popular pre-WW2, but definitely not all that popular...
in germany when we call someone a "populist" we dont typically mean someone who advocates for poular policy but someone who expresses popular sentiments a la "everything is shit, government bad, migrants evil" so yes fascists are ( i think neccesarily) populist.
See, I think there are a lot of right wingers who are openly anti-populist. A lot of neocons and libertarians would pretty openly say they're individualist rather than populist before, some still do.
Classic vaush: "I don't like this definition, so I'll just make my own then critique all others as fascists based on that"
Ingenious 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
This is why he sounds like he's trolling