Why does Ace always have the same expression on his face? I swear this dude is just going through the motions at this point in life. I would never pay to see this crap.
10k volts he sounds like its the first time playing along with a song he didnt know how to play and is way behind the band. But this is classic Ace, going through the motions of car crash,super loose and sloppy but endearing. 😂
@@gnarshred1239 😂. It's like when you are a six pack in and pickup the guitar and start jamming to tracks you never tried playing beforen with tabs. But that's the product here and it's hilarious and entertaining as shit.
Vocals and playing needs a lil polishing, but considering hes pushing 73 yrs old and killed half his brain cells in the70s i got huge respect 🙌🙌 hes a ripper for sure 👍
for god sake hang it up! i keep opening these thinking it cant get worse. how can you screw up communication break down and how many more times. been playing rock n roll all night for forty years and cant remember it. i love ace but there's no defending this its beyond terrible. watch the band they're. trying to cover the best they can. the solo sounded like a bad day at guitar center. if you think he can still play find a guitar teacher who s never heard of kiss and play this for him. hell tell you the truth. hes a legendary guitarist that had great stage presence and his leads were great 25 years ago. he cant play or sing anymore make all the excuses you want this is proof
This is only my opinion. I'd call this an average performance that feels more like a rehearsal masquerading as a 1st show of a tour. It feels like these paid guns are doing everything they can to make Ace's songs work. I give them credit for keeping it afloat. But...boy. I come from a school of thought where the legend in the center (whos "still got it", as they enter their twilight) anchors the tune with... lets call it "weathered mastery" and the people around him take it to another level. It seems to me Ace's ethos is true to his live show- lazy, flashy, and fun. He gets the crowd into it, he highlights the night with hits and his brand new single, but musically, he's all over the place and vocally, I'm sorry, but I just don't believe his words nor his pitches. I get it. Rock n' roll doesn't need to be precise. It should be a little rough around the edges. That what keeps it exciting, when it almost goes off the rails and it feels like something's being said. But I also think you should continue to hone your craft and hopefully keep trying to reach for something new, with a wisdom and focus you can only achieve by challenging yourself. Perhaps he has in ways I'm not hip to. It doesn't reflect so in this one. What I feel from this show is a guy who's charming, care-free, and has made some positive changes for himself, but hasnt been sharpening his sword in the process. I think its important to have both. I'll admit I'm a little biased, but I think everyone can agree, theres more work to be done. And I have to say this- I've listened to his interviews these past few years and feel hes been more focused on being a victim, then taking ownership for his ability. I can understand his frustration, but not how he expresses it. I guess I had hoped he'd reach the opposite perspective, finding humility and taking ownership such as bands like Metallica, The Mars Volta or Blink 182 have. Oh well. I still adore the "Detroit Rock City" duel guitar solos. - Thanks for posting this concert man!
Ace should work on his craft more but he's to busy shopping for Boars Head Roast Beef and Pumpkin pie at the store. Lol You think for a first show , he'd have better bandmates and sing better.Sad all the hype over this New album and this stage performance is horrible and sloppy ! Shame on Ace , he could do so much better to improve and make this tour better.Sorry but I'm just saying how I feel.I love ❤️ Ace but this concert stank.Sorry but thats how I feel.Lets all pray 🙏 Ace steps up his game for this tour.
10000 volts isn't terrible . He can pull off vocals good enough in the studio. It gets worse and worse live. Poor Ace and Poor Paul. It's hard to listen to. But unlike Paul. Ace definitely reads these comments ...love ya Ace Mick was right "What a drag it is getting old"
@@AlmostReady504Dude, 10,000 volts was a train wreck. Its pretty obvious they didn't spend much time rehearsing it. Shit they didn't even know how to end it. Not every song needs a crescendo ending.
Wow...that sounded like what I would hear from some local band at a county fair....100,000 Volts is a great studio song, sounded like total garbage live...that should tell you something.
Yeah there is no way that is Ace playing on the studio version, gotta be a session guitarist, and the vocals on the studio version are heavily altered.
@@rodbelding9523No, I'm sure he's playing on it, but it was probably heavily cut and edited. The solo was probably about 5 solos that had the best bits comped into 1. I've worked with Pro Tools, and it's amazing what you can do
Not understanding why the songs sound slow and sluggish. The timing is horribly inaccurate - did the drummer even listen to the source material? Maybe it's the drum triggers? The guitarists keep looking at the drummer who's literally staring off playing whatever he wants. Not that it could really help the cringe guitar player standing in front of Ace mouthing the words to the songs.
As a drummer, I can tell you: the drummer is playing quarter notes on his high hat on almost every song. Peter Criss almost always played 8th notes on the high hat, and slightly ahead of the beat, which gives the songs a bit of urgency. That's exactly why most of them are dragging. If you listen to the studio version of "Shock Me," the tempo is just about the same as it is here
I was at this show. The band was tight! I think the best quote I heard was from one of the tech crew that I know there. She said, "Sound check was incredible.....and then Ace showed up".
Man, I was there and, the guy played his ass off it was very entertaining and, he was very pleasant and polite especially to the two little girls by the stage but, his band can sing very well, Ace can still play at 72 and, he admitted that his voice wasn’t the best
Just saw him 30 miss awaz from me in anderson indiana at a legendary old old theater he was very very good a legend everyone was singing along aswell as 3 people crowd surfed (that I saw might of been more) but opening band I wasnt a fan of there music but have major respect as they were very personal throwing picks and pins making sure everyone that was within 8 rows got them and they shook and highfived everyone but ace was 10 times better then I was imagining he worked hard and I dont think he deserves the hate everyone has given him recently and I didnt know he was playing every night he played your show and played here in anderson indiana a daz after to 1200 people
@@JamesK-i9eDon't show your ignorance. There are PLENTY of rockers that are in their 70's, that are still brilliant. Tommy Shaw (Styx), Glen Hughes, Paul Rodgers (Bad Co), Alice Cooper, Joe Lynn Turner, Derek St. Holmes (Ted Nugent band) Roger Daltry, Jack Blades, John Waite, Sammy Hagar, Tom Johnston.(Doobie Brothers) and a ton more!!!! These guys also "PREPARE" before they go out and perform. This was awful! When Ace did sing, he sounded deeper and sang into the mic 30-50% of the time. He couldn't replicate anywhere near the good studio sound of 10,000 volts. An absolute train wreck. And a sad way to represent a song that has so much buzz. Very unfortunate!! Especially after ALL the hype and praise we've been hearing on Ace's upcoming album. The only "something" that Ace is doing here is embarrassing himself. And you probably realize that too!!
Did they even rehearse 10000!?!? Omg ... its like Ace is a last minute fill in singer in a cover band and does not quite no the material. Grear studio magic by Steve Brown
Jesus I know, he needs to not play it live or not sing it. He can't play it and sing it at the same time or maybe can't sing at all.. The worst I have ever heard him.
I love Ace but this is getting ridiculous with everyone saying he's been off the road or his voice wasn't good that night. It's called Practice. Does he not have any band rehearsal before going out to play these dates? If he does, then it truly is over.
His previous tours were fine.. this gig!!! 😮Ace obviously is pissed or high or both!!! 17 years sober?????? His ex mate on UA-cam said if you believe that then 😂😂😂😂😂😂 he’s drinking unfortunately he will be lucky to see the end of the tour out at this rate!
Ace is surrounded by total "yes men." Nobody has the balls to tell him, "Hey Ace, maybe you should practice a bit before embarking on a tour, taking people's hard-earned money yet sounding like you haven't picked up a guitar in 30 years." I don't understand how his band can hold a straight face after this embarrassment.
@@jimbo0411since it was the first time he ever played 10,000 Volts, what are you comparing it to? Or are you saying it's the worst you've ever heard him period?
@@steviesteve8462 72 or not, he’s charging people money to see this garbage. Good for him I suppose that he’s still able to tap into people’s nostalgia for the original Kiss lineup
I seen this guy back in 1975 with KISS and had a smile on my face the entire time, now 49 years later i am practically in tears! I actually feel embarrased for him! This is tragic in every way imaginable! This was not just a "Off night" by any means and clearly it is waaayyy past that time where you just hang it up and accept who you once were.
Absolutely agree here! He's cleaned up his performance for sure. I didn't see your post when I posted my comments above this morning. Also responded to another question about how much Ace makes per show, net worth, etc.
yet according to Steve Brown in the WDHA radio interview he said Ace can sing very well and is very good at singing in key. He also claims no autotune was used on 10kv.
What a shame, sad for the people who paid for that sh.1t show, can you imagine Tommy playing that setlist, i know i know he isn't the original but he will do it like a champ, not missing a note and singing as someone with the entire brain still functional
i’m sorry and I hate to criticize, but when he was doing that guitar solo by himself, that was absolutely horrible I’ve seen 13-year-olds playing at a guitar competition that sounded better and had more feeling and articulation with their solos, that was the epitome of just phoning it in, I know he’s in his mid-70s or whatever but you can at least practice before you go out there and embarrass yourself, can’t believe people actually paid to see that I hate to say it but now I can see why Paul and Gene did not want him playing with them on the last kiss show
Ace needs to invest in some headsets. The kind that let everyone onstage hear what is going on straight off the soundboard. That way they can all tell where they're at and get in harmony. He likes to go out with just guitars amps and mics and play loud like a garage band. It's fun but the results vary. Back in the 70's, that's how everybody did it. Find some real 70's recordings of Kiss live that haven't been doctored and you'll see what I mean!
@@garyhill2740 he needs inner ear monitors with a click track and hearing aids when he's offstage...he doesn't care, he's just there to collect a bag of cash so the IRS can't tax him! I've worked for Ace a few years back and been a fan since 1976, I'm over him and his I'm only here for the money attitude! It's WAY beyond time to practice your craft, show up for soundcheck and rehearse.
@@gregjohnson298So the rhythm guitars in the 70s on the tracks of Paul, Demon and Peter were played by Stanley alone? Considering that their live shows in the 70s sounded decent, is it strange, because Ace's guitar sounded louder than Paul's guitar in the live shows?
Not a horrible job on Shock Me. But after watching this, I can totally understand why Paul Stanley would call a reunion with Ace....'Piss'. Too many years of frying his brain.
Is it me or am I imagining things? The way Ace came out almost reminded me of a little kid interrupting his nap time. He basically has a bored look on him. You would think a performer who has a pretty good following and a well known name and background to boot would be more excited.
One thing i think we can all agree on about Ace: hes probably not holed up in his studio practicing. Anyone want to guess how much hes making per show? I don't have any idea
Hey! According to his management group, his booking fee in 2023/2024 is between $25K-39K. That's simply the fee to book a show where Ace would be the headlining act. My source is CTI (Celebrity Talent Int'l) and they're pretty accurate with their numbers. They also do not negotiate for acts who pledge their profits from a show to charity - as CTI requires a payor contract so they get paid comp per performance. As for what he actually makes per show, those estimates appear to vary greatly. Some sources estimate Frehley earns between $150K-$300K per show. I'm 99.95% sure that's fairly inaccurate. The venues he's booked the last 5-10 years do not support the size crowds to support those figures. Other sources who also debunk the above numbers argue it's more in the $50-$75K range per show. This seems a bit more in line with the industry and his status to draw crowds. Depending on the source, his total net worth sits at between $12-$15 Million. The above per show figures may not include additional income from album sales, royalties, and merchandise associated with KISS and his solo projects. PS- Knowing he has a fairly small, but experienced, road crew and of course he has to pay his band.. my personally opinion is he's making somewhere between $75K-$125K per show - all in. He pays his crew and band, pays the cut to the promoter (based on door draw) and venue expenses. Plus travel, food, hotel, etc.. which can be a business write off at year-end for tax purposes. I think my number is ok and solid - but still probably just my best guess with my past network experience covering production over the years.
@rdgSWwot I'd be surprised if it's that much. Im thinking more like 25K if its a flat fee, or MAYBE a 60/40 split with Ace getting the 60 and the venue getting the 40. I looked up the capacity of this venue, and it's 428. Either he's making way less, or the ticket prices would have to be astronomical for the promoters to make money. I don't think his net worth is over a million. He owes the IRS 200K and can't pay.
@@JokersWild70 I agree it’s nothing like they report. And he does owe the IRS.. they’re holding his passport thus no European shows yet. I’d add that your net worth applies across your income holdings. So it could be over $1M or even $12M but that doesn’t necessarily mean you have that as disposable income or even profit. Knowing him, he’s blown through most of it. He’s basically a working musician now.
One other comment I want to make about this is that if this video was not chopped up and only certain songs were played I am disappointed.This is Ace's concert not kiss. Ace is playing nothing but a lot of kiss songs instead of his songs and if that's all ace is doing is promoting old kiss music instead of his new album there's no way I want to put any money towards seeing him I really just want to see him and him playing his music maybe dabble in just a little of the past but just him singing lead on the songs that he sang while with kiss.
Shock Me is at the same tempo as the original, buuuuut...Peter played it better than this drummer. Peter was not a technical drummer, but his drumming did fit the records KI$$ made in the 70's. He does have one thing that cant be taught, and thats a swing in his playing. Ringo has it, Charlie Watts and (on some LZ songs) John Bonham had it, and Phil Rudd of AC/DC has it in spades. The songs sound lifeless here. The drummer needs to be playing 8th notes on the high hat, not quarter notes, like he is on the first two songs. Thats why they sound like shit and are dragging. Did these guys really even bother to learn the basic structures of the songs? Guy on the blue Firebird seems like he knows the songs
Drummer here and I agree…Peter had a swing and a swagger on the drums. Eddie Kramer confirmed that Peter was the only member with no over dubs on Alive. The drumming on that album has such a great feel.
The drummer does a good job, don't blame him, but indeed peter , was a drummer that gave kiss a unique vibe, no matter the stupid bad mouthing over the years..
@@constantinosxenos5567 OK, but he's NOT doing a good job on those songs. "Shock Me" and "Rocket Ride" were dragging big time, and he's the reason why. Some of the others he did better on
I had just posted above the same thing! The drummer is hacking away on the hi hat and quite frankly sounds like a cover band drummer. Anyone who has ever been in a cover band knows that you want to try to get the song to sound like the record because everyone will compare you to the record even though of course you are not the real band but musicians do a thing called "bastardizing" a song. You play the song pretty damn close, take some short cuts, maybe not note for note but do a great job that passes because you are in a cover band. This guy is playing with a legend, a guy who did play the song on the record and played it thousands of times live. Simple thing like playing 8th notes on a closed hi hat would have made Shock Me, Rocket Ride, and Detroit Rock City sound 10x better.
Get rid of that drummer he was playing a half step behind throughout rocket ride, playing it too slow compared to the original. His faces that he's making he's acting like he's playing something hard when it's a simple beat simple song to play. I love the original KISS and ACE BUT I WOULDN'T GO TO SEE HIM. HE LACKS ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM WITH HIS GUITAR PLAYING AND HIS VOCALS.
It's his brain, not working even at a 10% any longer, Paul lost his voice but could still deliver a show (although lypsyncing) and Gene will show why not being an addict is the right way of living this year with his solo shows
So happy to see this concert. Ace is Mr Rock n Roll and now I got the feelings that we had when we heard Kiss in the 70th, that real hard Rock n Roll. That amazing sound and hard style. Great band!
Found out about the show way too late and couldn't get tix. And only live about 20 miles from the venue. Def appreciate this posting. Yeah it's sloppy and we've all seen better, but gotta love Ace. All in all not too bad anyway.
IMPORTANT - Let's get something crystal clear. I gave ACE a hard time on UA-cam over the years. I wish he would have kept his sh!t together and created more music with Kiss. But at the end of the day, this man is my guitar hero. There is no KISS without ACE. Hope to see him on tour soon.
@@rioriggs3568 IF you watched this performance of ACE and are honest with yourself you would have no choice but to know that for a absolute fact! The train not only past but it no longer even runs!
This is great! In a world where a majority of artists are using autotune and/or prerecorded tracks and faking it, this 70+ year old player is still kicking ass raw and live. A few rough edges? He could tighten it up a bit. Whatever. Sounds great to me. Especially for an audience recording. (This isn't a "soundboard" folks.) Would love to have been there. Rock on, Ace! Can't wait for the new record!
50 years of performing, drugs, alcohol and being CONSTANTLY shit on by Gene and Paul, has taken its toll. I still dig him though. Ace made KISS. And Gene and Paul should be kissing his ass. Ace has put out album after album over the years, and KISS has been constantly "retiring" like old whores. I've always loved Ace, but I wouldn't go see this show, sadly. Also $1,000.00 to sign my Gibson Les Paul is a Gene Simmons move. Even the "cheap" package of $500.00 is ridiculous. But hey, get it if you can Ace. This show is 100% Ace. Not singing into the mic about 60% of the time, semi-killer on the guitar, sounding like it's the 3rd time ever that they've all played it together. Thank you Neal for posting this. Saved me about $2,000 in travel, (flight, hotel), tickets, VIP signing, etc.
"I'm having trouble finding some energy" Man I love Ace, but this is painful, zero stage presence , hoping this was a one off and he was drunk.Wow I just watched the rest of it and got to his solo,,,did he kill a cat? He has to be buttered to play this bad.
Pretty sad... Never really was an Ace fan, even though I did like him WAY back in the beginning of KISS. He's sadly got MUCH worse + his ongoing whining about what happened. I mean, I just wish him the best & hope he stays away from everything that got him in the shitter to begin with. Yet one would think he's have a better performance considering..I had to give up 18 minutes in. I just felt like I was watching/listening to a band that was just beginning not someone that's done it for half a century. Sorry ACE
I'm embarrassed FOR him, he's pathetic. If a recent KISS performance were this bad, you folks would be crucifying Gene and Paul. Please be objective and admit Ace should call it quits
Yikes. I grew up listening to Ace and while he was never the greatest singer/guitar player, he just oozed coolness. Yeah, that's gone lol. This is painful to watch. He HAS to stop. There's no shame in getting old.
What a dissapointment to the hard worker who spends money for a shit show....He dont care....just give me your money....shame on him.....sounds like shit....for a guy thats got a big mouth....sad!
30 min from my house. I've seen Ace dozens of times but at this point in his career it's...not good. If I were given tickets for free I still wouldn't go. My Ace memories need to stay on the good side of nightmare.
The most bored person who is taking peoples hard earn money alive...i wouldnt give him a dime..he should open up for Coey Feldman..actually if i was Corey no thx..retire ace..fyi his new record..didnt write 1 tune..except for some old recorded shtt ..retire please..u are embarrassing yourself..imho
he's been off the road for a few weeks LMFAO He just played a gig in Vegas in Dec and before that a summer tour that wrapped up in Aug/Sept and he's been working on an album! Quit making excuses for him, Keith Richards is nearly a decade older and done more drugs than Ace and plays flawlessly! This is due to Ace just doesn't give a F*CK!
I love you Ace......please STOP this live MADNESS!!!!! Absoulutly embarrassing........please...STOP!!!!!!
Totally Agree, this is GOD AWFUL!
AGREE!!! How can anyone say different? This was disgustingly bad on ACE's part! The band was fine but his playing was absolute Garbage!
Es su vida tocar
I was in the 2nd row too , Great show , THANKS FOR POSTING🤘
Why does Ace always have the same expression on his face? I swear this dude is just going through the motions at this point in life. I would never pay to see this crap.
He is going through the motions. Only reason he's still touring is because he's a couple hundred grand in debt, he admitted that last week.
This is awesome
10k volts he sounds like its the first time playing along with a song he didnt know how to play and is way behind the band.
But this is classic Ace, going through the motions of car crash,super loose and sloppy but endearing. 😂
He deliberately does not practice with his band , he just expects them to show up and everyone play it off the cuff which is insanity
@@gnarshred1239 😂. It's like when you are a six pack in and pickup the guitar and start jamming to tracks you never tried playing beforen with tabs. But that's the product here and it's hilarious and entertaining as shit.
I feel sorry for Ace. 🤷♂️
Paul was right, Ace don't like to rehearse anything.
It does not take a genius to see Ace never picks up a guitar when he is off stage. He playing level is so bad i cannot even rate it.
@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 It's called mailing it in. Fans are hardcore though, so he's got that.
Vocals and playing needs a lil polishing, but considering hes pushing 73 yrs old and killed half his brain cells in the70s i got huge respect 🙌🙌 hes a ripper for sure 👍
for god sake hang it up! i keep opening these thinking it cant get worse. how can you screw up communication break down and how many more times. been playing rock n roll all night for forty years and cant remember it. i love ace but there's no defending this its beyond terrible. watch the band they're. trying to cover the best they can. the solo sounded like a bad day at guitar center. if you think he can still play find a guitar teacher who s never heard of kiss and play this for him. hell tell you the truth. hes a legendary guitarist that had great stage presence and his leads were great 25 years ago. he cant play or sing anymore make all the excuses you want this is proof
Brutally bad.
This is only my opinion.
I'd call this an average performance that feels more like a rehearsal masquerading as a 1st show of a tour. It feels like these paid guns are doing everything they can to make Ace's songs work. I give them credit for keeping it afloat.
But...boy. I come from a school of thought where the legend in the center (whos "still got it", as they enter their twilight) anchors the tune with... lets call it "weathered mastery" and the people around him take it to another level.
It seems to me Ace's ethos is true to his live show- lazy, flashy, and fun. He gets the crowd into it, he highlights the night with hits and his brand new single, but musically, he's all over the place and vocally, I'm sorry, but I just don't believe his words nor his pitches.
I get it. Rock n' roll doesn't need to be precise. It should be a little rough around the edges. That what keeps it exciting, when it almost goes off the rails and it feels like something's being said.
But I also think you should continue to hone your craft and hopefully keep trying to reach for something new, with a wisdom and focus you can only achieve by challenging yourself. Perhaps he has in ways I'm not hip to. It doesn't reflect so in this one.
What I feel from this show is a guy who's charming, care-free, and has made some positive changes for himself, but hasnt been sharpening his sword in the process. I think its important to have both.
I'll admit I'm a little biased, but I think everyone can agree, theres more work to be done.
And I have to say this- I've listened to his interviews these past few years and feel hes been more focused on being a victim, then taking ownership for his ability. I can understand his frustration, but not how he expresses it. I guess I had hoped he'd reach the opposite perspective, finding humility and taking ownership such as bands like Metallica, The Mars Volta or Blink 182 have. Oh well. I still adore the "Detroit Rock City" duel guitar solos.
- Thanks for posting this concert man!
Well said.
Ace should work on his craft more but he's to busy shopping for Boars Head Roast Beef and Pumpkin pie at the store. Lol You think for a first show , he'd have better bandmates and sing better.Sad all the hype over this New album and this stage performance is horrible and sloppy ! Shame on Ace , he could do so much better to improve and make this tour better.Sorry but I'm just saying how I feel.I love ❤️ Ace but this concert stank.Sorry but thats how I feel.Lets all pray 🙏 Ace steps up his game for this tour.
10000 volts isn't terrible .
He can pull off vocals good enough in the studio. It gets worse and worse live. Poor Ace and Poor Paul. It's hard to listen to. But unlike Paul.
Ace definitely reads these comments ...love ya Ace
Mick was right
"What a drag it is getting old"
@@AlmostReady504Dude, 10,000 volts was a train wreck. Its pretty obvious they didn't spend much time rehearsing it. Shit they didn't even know how to end it. Not every song needs a crescendo ending.
What a load of crap. He gets worse every show he plays.
Wow...that sounded like what I would hear from some local band at a county fair....100,000 Volts is a great studio song, sounded like total garbage live...that should tell you something.
Yeah there is no way that is Ace playing on the studio version, gotta be a session guitarist, and the vocals on the studio version are heavily altered.
tells me auto tune was used and Steve Brown played lead
@@rodbelding9523No, I'm sure he's playing on it, but it was probably heavily cut and edited. The solo was probably about 5 solos that had the best bits comped into 1. I've worked with Pro Tools, and it's amazing what you can do
The studio can make anyone sound good,live is where the frauds are exposed.
My God please stop.
Ace has a kick ass band behind him and Ace is just Ace and always has been.
Wrong, he has gotten progressively worse and lazy
@@tt55899I'm going to be lazy as F if I make it to 72 years old
@giraffesareselfish9563 yeah but you're not gonna be charging people money to come see you perform
@tt55899 Yes I will, and just like with Ace they have to option to not pay.
@giraffesareselfish9563 for the first part ...yeah ok and the second part...a lot of stupid people then
Not understanding why the songs sound slow and sluggish.
The timing is horribly inaccurate - did the drummer even listen to the source material? Maybe it's the drum triggers?
The guitarists keep looking at the drummer who's literally staring off playing whatever he wants. Not that it could really help the cringe guitar player standing in front of Ace mouthing the words to the songs.
As a drummer, I can tell you: the drummer is playing quarter notes on his high hat on almost every song. Peter Criss almost always played 8th notes on the high hat, and slightly ahead of the beat, which gives the songs a bit of urgency. That's exactly why most of them are dragging. If you listen to the studio version of "Shock Me," the tempo is just about the same as it is here
@@JokersWild70 peter criss rules
I was at this show. The band was tight! I think the best quote I heard was from one of the tech crew that I know there. She said, "Sound check was incredible.....and then Ace showed up".
😅
So was this the whole show? Cold Gin and Parasite would've been nice.
This band is tighter than shit and all members have charisma!
@@steviesteve8462 Yeah the band is fine but ACE is a trainwreck on stage! He barely can even play simple bar chords anymore! This was embarassing af!
I'd pay a couple hundred bucks to play my backyard party.
50 bucks tops.
At least it only lasted 45 minuets to give the poeple that were there a chance to go see a show somewhere else.
Yeah I bet they were lined up around the corner to see The Tommy Thayer Band.
@@giraffesareselfish9563rather see him than this shitshow. Quit living in the past and wake up. This guy is COOKED
Man, I was there and, the guy played his ass off it was very entertaining and, he was very pleasant and polite especially to the two little girls by the stage but, his band can sing very well, Ace can still play at 72 and, he admitted that his voice wasn’t the best
Just saw him 30 miss awaz from me in anderson indiana at a legendary old old theater he was very very good a legend everyone was singing along aswell as 3 people crowd surfed (that I saw might of been more) but opening band I wasnt a fan of there music but have major respect as they were very personal throwing picks and pins making sure everyone that was within 8 rows got them and they shook and highfived everyone but ace was 10 times better then I was imagining he worked hard and I dont think he deserves the hate everyone has given him recently and I didnt know he was playing every night he played your show and played here in anderson indiana a daz after to 1200 people
@@ralfcoykendall1063 word salad LMFAO
Dude with the blue Firebird is going "look at how many of these grandmas want me!!!"
@@JokersWild70 🤣😂🤣😂
@@ralfcoykendall1063 HUH? Not quite sure what you're saying.
Not good
Can't stand it can you that a 72 year old man is doing something you only wish you could do.
@@JamesK-i9e I don't think anyone is wishing to be tone deaf and embarrass one self night after night
@@JamesK-i9eDon't show your ignorance. There are PLENTY of rockers that are in their 70's, that are still brilliant. Tommy Shaw (Styx), Glen Hughes, Paul Rodgers (Bad Co), Alice Cooper, Joe Lynn Turner, Derek St. Holmes (Ted Nugent band) Roger Daltry, Jack Blades, John Waite, Sammy Hagar, Tom Johnston.(Doobie Brothers) and a ton more!!!! These guys also "PREPARE" before they go out and perform.
This was awful! When Ace did sing, he sounded deeper and sang into the mic 30-50% of the time. He couldn't replicate anywhere near the good studio sound of 10,000 volts. An absolute train wreck. And a sad way to represent a song that has so much buzz. Very unfortunate!! Especially after ALL the hype and praise we've been hearing on Ace's upcoming album.
The only "something" that Ace is doing here is embarrassing himself. And you probably realize that too!!
Aces voice is in a constant state of slur.i wish it wasn't the case but his timing and effort are really poor.
The feedback and Ace hitting the E flat chord instead of the D is just awful. Get it together man
He clearly only picks up a guitar when there's a paycheck involved.
Did they even rehearse 10000!?!? Omg ... its like Ace is a last minute fill in singer in a cover band and does not quite no the material. Grear studio magic by Steve Brown
Shock Me solo was fairly decent, if he keeps up on that 2024 resolution of practicing guitar more he might be a little better by the end of the year
Agreed --Shock Me solo was pretty good
Only problem is that wasn't a real resolution, his girlfriend runs his social media and she posts nonsense constantly.
And people wonder why he wasn't on the last dates of the end of the road tour...ha ha Tommy Thayer for the win !!!
10kV was a total mess
Slow motion Ace.
Jesus I know, he needs to not play it live or not sing it. He can't play it and sing it at the same time or maybe can't sing at all.. The worst I have ever heard him.
Musically I liked it better than the studio version, hopefully Ace will get better once they play it a few times.
What a train wreck he can't be serious 😮
This whole show was a total mess. He HAS TO stop. There's no shame in getting old
Drummer is a beast, this band really carries him, no matter how hard he works at dragging all the songs.
I think that's Scottie Coogan. He was with Ace for a while, then Ace fired his band, and now Scottie is back with him, I think.
He also tours with Stephen Pearcy. He's an absolute machine.
the beast couldn’t hold the tempo on Rocket Ride to save his life. That was brutal.
WTF!!!ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING 😳
Not sure what’s worse. Ace or Vinnie. This is fuckin horrible.
I love Ace but this is getting ridiculous with everyone saying he's been off the road or his voice wasn't good that night. It's called Practice. Does he not have any band rehearsal before going out to play these dates? If he does, then it truly is over.
I'm sure the band rehearses but Ace is above that,he a rock god lol
Seems drunk again, I hope he does not. I hope it is just a matter of age
He wasn't drunk. I spoke with him backstage immediately after this show. He's just getting older and doesn't move very fast these days.
His previous tours were fine.. this gig!!! 😮Ace obviously is pissed or high or both!!! 17 years sober?????? His ex mate on UA-cam said if you believe that then 😂😂😂😂😂😂 he’s drinking unfortunately he will be lucky to see the end of the tour out at this rate!
God he's even worse than he was this past summer! Didn't think it could be possible?!?!?!
Rocket ride is awful. He doesn't care. I'd rather watch Ritchie play and sing all the songs
Ace is surrounded by total "yes men." Nobody has the balls to tell him, "Hey Ace, maybe you should practice a bit before embarking on a tour, taking people's hard-earned money yet sounding like you haven't picked up a guitar in 30 years." I don't understand how his band can hold a straight face after this embarrassment.
On point
I'm a fan but damn! Maybe he got stoned before he went on .
If you did coke and pills for 25 years your brain would be a little slow too
@@bobbymartin7455 no excuse, if he can't keep up don't take peoples money and stop boasting about how good you are daily on social media!
@@bobbymartin7455 doesn’t mean he can’t practice guitar
..if you don't like ace's playing or singing you do it your self instead then.. :)
not much of a challenge there to sound better than that.. 😅 worst i have ever heard him on 10K volts
@@jimbo0411since it was the first time he ever played 10,000 Volts, what are you comparing it to? Or are you saying it's the worst you've ever heard him period?
@@jimbo0411 ..how sad for you then.. :)
It’s over. It seems nobody in the band enjoy it anymore.
So amateurish. Embarrassing. I LOVE Ace but this is bad
If you harness the energy of Ace's vocals you can toast a piece of bread. Very lightly.
Love that
He sang that last line of Rocket Ride pretty good 😆
HAHAHA that was brilliant! 👍
Let's see you perform at his age. 72 years old! What do you think?
@@steviesteve8462 72 or not, he’s charging people money to see this garbage. Good for him I suppose that he’s still able to tap into people’s nostalgia for the original Kiss lineup
Painful to watch...
He should use an avatar instead
Ace, go home and behave yourself.. its waay past ur bedtime ffs 😂😂😂
I seen this guy back in 1975 with KISS and had a smile on my face the entire time, now 49 years later i am practically in tears! I actually feel embarrased for him!
This is tragic in every way imaginable! This was not just a "Off night" by any means and clearly it is waaayyy past that time where you just hang it up and accept who you once were.
Ace isn’t even playing the main riff on 10,000 volts , he probably doesn’t play it on the recording?
agree, he doubt if he even wrote it at all. AI probably sung it.
@@jimbo0411it's a Steve Brown record with electric and space references peppered in.
The other guitarist is playing some of the solos too, its sad
Ace could never really sing, but it's good to see him playing better than last year.
Absolutely agree here! He's cleaned up his performance for sure. I didn't see your post when I posted my comments above this morning. Also responded to another question about how much Ace makes per show, net worth, etc.
Absolutely. He sounds good.
yet according to Steve Brown in the WDHA radio interview he said Ace can sing very well and is very good at singing in key. He also claims no autotune was used on 10kv.
@@mikekatz7980 studio vs live has always been different, he sounds great on records.
@@gregdunn6040 I think your missing the point, but all good.
What a shame, sad for the people who paid for that sh.1t show, can you imagine Tommy playing that setlist, i know i know he isn't the original but he will do it like a champ, not missing a note and singing as someone with the entire brain still functional
Garage band at best
i’m sorry and I hate to criticize, but when he was doing that guitar solo by himself, that was absolutely horrible I’ve seen 13-year-olds playing at a guitar competition that sounded better and had more feeling and articulation with their solos, that was the epitome of just phoning it in, I know he’s in his mid-70s or whatever but you can at least practice before you go out there and embarrass yourself, can’t believe people actually paid to see that I hate to say it but now I can see why Paul and Gene did not want him playing with them on the last kiss show
Why are the house lights on the whole show? Looks like a high school talent show. Lighting guy fell sleep.
cause he’s old and probably can’t see that great
Poor Ace. Having to play in a place like Frankfort and people expect a noteworthy performance 😂
Weekend At Bernie's.
Ace really just needs to not sing, his voice is painful to listen to. I'm sure it's not hard to hire a good singer.
they all sound off key and cringe AF, amateur hour
Stop listening if you don't like it and stop clicking on any of his videos. Wait! You are just here to bitch, nevermind! haha
Want to hear Ace sing good? Listen to the records. Lol
Ace needs to invest in some headsets. The kind that let everyone onstage hear what is going on straight off the soundboard. That way they can all tell where they're at and get in harmony.
He likes to go out with just guitars amps and mics and play loud like a garage band. It's fun but the results vary.
Back in the 70's, that's how everybody did it. Find some real 70's recordings of Kiss live that haven't been doctored and you'll see what I mean!
@@garyhill2740 he needs inner ear monitors with a click track and hearing aids when he's offstage...he doesn't care, he's just there to collect a bag of cash so the IRS can't tax him! I've worked for Ace a few years back and been a fan since 1976, I'm over him and his I'm only here for the money attitude! It's WAY beyond time to practice your craft, show up for soundcheck and rehearse.
Ace was so lost in 10,000 volts did he even play on that single?
Of course not,he didn't play on most of the Kiss material either,you just saw why.This is a rock star not a musician.
@@gregjohnson298So the rhythm guitars in the 70s on the tracks of Paul, Demon and Peter were played by Stanley alone? Considering that their live shows in the 70s sounded decent, is it strange, because Ace's guitar sounded louder than Paul's guitar in the live shows?
Not a horrible job on Shock Me. But after watching this, I can totally understand why Paul Stanley would call a reunion with Ace....'Piss'. Too many years of frying his brain.
Ace wearing a shirt with Gene and Paul's face on it..
Is he ok ?
You spell the way he sings. Are you OK?
@@giraffesareselfish9563 Haha ! You got me !! Good catch !! I love good humour ! 🙃
@lousekoya1803 glad you have a sense of humor my friend. I owe you a beer.
@@giraffesareselfish9563 Any time ! Let me know if you ever come near Montreal ! 😉
Is it me or am I imagining things? The way Ace came out almost reminded me of a little kid interrupting his nap time. He basically has a bored look on him. You would think a performer who has a pretty good following and a well known name and background to boot would be more excited.
I'm just hoping he not using anything the enhance that ;boredom if you know what I mean?
Probably needs the dollars 💸 💵 💲
@@maria-lena5919 IF he needed money he could sell one of his many vintage guitars. He owns a 59 Les Paul valued at over $500K!!!
Tax man show it pays to pay your taxes or get caught
One thing i think we can all agree on about Ace: hes probably not holed up in his studio practicing. Anyone want to guess how much hes making per show? I don't have any idea
Hey! According to his management group, his booking fee in 2023/2024 is between $25K-39K. That's simply the fee to book a show where Ace would be the headlining act. My source is CTI (Celebrity Talent Int'l) and they're pretty accurate with their numbers. They also do not negotiate for acts who pledge their profits from a show to charity - as CTI requires a payor contract so they get paid comp per performance.
As for what he actually makes per show, those estimates appear to vary greatly. Some sources estimate Frehley earns between $150K-$300K per show. I'm 99.95% sure that's fairly inaccurate. The venues he's booked the last 5-10 years do not support the size crowds to support those figures. Other sources who also debunk the above numbers argue it's more in the $50-$75K range per show. This seems a bit more in line with the industry and his status to draw crowds. Depending on the source, his total net worth sits at between $12-$15 Million. The above per show figures may not include additional income from album sales, royalties, and merchandise associated with KISS and his solo projects.
PS- Knowing he has a fairly small, but experienced, road crew and of course he has to pay his band.. my personally opinion is he's making somewhere between $75K-$125K per show - all in. He pays his crew and band, pays the cut to the promoter (based on door draw) and venue expenses. Plus travel, food, hotel, etc.. which can be a business write off at year-end for tax purposes. I think my number is ok and solid - but still probably just my best guess with my past network experience covering production over the years.
@rdgSWwot I'd be surprised if it's that much. Im thinking more like 25K if its a flat fee, or MAYBE a 60/40 split with Ace getting the 60 and the venue getting the 40. I looked up the capacity of this venue, and it's 428. Either he's making way less, or the ticket prices would have to be astronomical for the promoters to make money. I don't think his net worth is over a million. He owes the IRS 200K and can't pay.
@@JokersWild70 I agree it’s nothing like they report. And he does owe the IRS.. they’re holding his passport thus no European shows yet. I’d add that your net worth applies across your income holdings. So it could be over $1M or even $12M but that doesn’t necessarily mean you have that as disposable income or even profit. Knowing him, he’s blown through most of it. He’s basically a working musician now.
Do you know how much money Gene and Paul milked from their "Fans" for crap since the original KISS broke up?
@@JokersWild70 Fk the IRS,,,,,,they are owned by England and their building has been CLOSED since 2019,,,,,,,Trump fkd them Up and he is just starting
One other comment I want to make about this is that if this video was not chopped up and only certain songs were played I am disappointed.This is Ace's concert not kiss. Ace is playing nothing but a lot of kiss songs instead of his songs and if that's all ace is doing is promoting old kiss music instead of his new album there's no way I want to put any money towards seeing him I really just want to see him and him playing his music maybe dabble in just a little of the past but just him singing lead on the songs that he sang while with kiss.
Shock Me is at the same tempo as the original, buuuuut...Peter played it better than this drummer. Peter was not a technical drummer, but his drumming did fit the records KI$$ made in the 70's. He does have one thing that cant be taught, and thats a swing in his playing. Ringo has it, Charlie Watts and (on some LZ songs) John Bonham had it, and Phil Rudd of AC/DC has it in spades. The songs sound lifeless here. The drummer needs to be playing 8th notes on the high hat, not quarter notes, like he is on the first two songs. Thats why they sound like shit and are dragging. Did these guys really even bother to learn the basic structures of the songs? Guy on the blue Firebird seems like he knows the songs
Drummer here and I agree…Peter had a swing and a swagger on the drums. Eddie Kramer confirmed that Peter was the only member with no over dubs on Alive. The drumming on that album has such a great feel.
The drummer does a good job, don't blame him, but indeed peter , was a drummer that gave kiss a unique vibe, no matter the stupid bad mouthing over the years..
@@constantinosxenos5567 OK, but he's NOT doing a good job on those songs. "Shock Me" and "Rocket Ride" were dragging big time, and he's the reason why. Some of the others he did better on
I had just posted above the same thing! The drummer is hacking away on the hi hat and quite frankly sounds like a cover band drummer. Anyone who has ever been in a cover band knows that you want to try to get the song to sound like the record because everyone will compare you to the record even though of course you are not the real band but musicians do a thing called "bastardizing" a song. You play the song pretty damn close, take some short cuts, maybe not note for note but do a great job that passes because you are in a cover band. This guy is playing with a legend, a guy who did play the song on the record and played it thousands of times live. Simple thing like playing 8th notes on a closed hi hat would have made Shock Me, Rocket Ride, and Detroit Rock City sound 10x better.
I've been a HUGE fan of Kiss and Ace since 1976. This is sad.....😪
Agree 👍 🙆♂️
SAD? NO more like TRAGIC and Pathetic!
They should not play 10000 volts live, to be kind or practice it like a LOT.. He can't sing it and play at the same time.
Get rid of that drummer he was playing a half step behind throughout rocket ride, playing it too slow compared to the original. His faces that he's making he's acting like he's playing something hard when it's a simple beat simple song to play. I love the original KISS and ACE BUT I WOULDN'T GO TO SEE HIM. HE LACKS ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM WITH HIS GUITAR PLAYING AND HIS VOCALS.
He was lost often, especially detroit rock city. Had to call out solo in rock n roll all night, to cue himself in. Lost in that song as well. Wow
when the first verse kicks in at the beginning of the song he looks so lost and then tries to slide his finger up to the right front fret
It's his brain, not working even at a 10% any longer, Paul lost his voice but could still deliver a show (although lypsyncing) and Gene will show why not being an addict is the right way of living this year with his solo shows
So happy to see this concert. Ace is Mr Rock n Roll and now I got the feelings that we had when we heard Kiss in the 70th, that real hard Rock n Roll. That amazing sound and hard style. Great band!
9:33 10,000-volts live
10000 volts was rough
Love Ace, but this sounds tired
Found out about the show way too late and couldn't get tix. And only live about 20 miles from the venue. Def appreciate this posting. Yeah it's sloppy and we've all seen better, but gotta love Ace. All in all not too bad anyway.
IMPORTANT - Let's get something crystal clear. I gave ACE a hard time on UA-cam over the years. I wish he would have kept his sh!t together and created more music with Kiss. But at the end of the day, this man is my guitar hero. There is no KISS without ACE. Hope to see him on tour soon.
Waste of money
@@whataboutrob442 The more I watch him live, the more I realize the train has past!
@@rioriggs3568 IF you watched this performance of ACE and are honest with yourself you would have no choice but to know that for a absolute
fact! The train not only past but it no longer even runs!
I think the train hit him.. and then backed up and hit him again.
This is what
Drunk AND Desperate For Money
looks and sounds like.
😂10000 volts is Rock Bottom😅😅
This is great!
In a world where a majority of artists are using autotune and/or prerecorded tracks and faking it, this 70+ year old player is still kicking ass raw and live.
A few rough edges? He could tighten it up a bit. Whatever. Sounds great to me. Especially for an audience recording. (This isn't a "soundboard" folks.)
Would love to have been there.
Rock on, Ace! Can't wait for the new record!
Keep supporting KRAP
Agree
Fuck excuses it's downright crap. If you saw this in a pub you'd cringe. Hasn't he got enuf money left to pay for his drugs.
GREAT comment below! Yaeh... that was the problem.... LOVE KISS TO DEATH, but those 2guys really machine-gunned their feet... OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Getting worse every year
I absolutely love Ace, I have since 76... But he is 10,000 times toast at this point. Hang it up and ride into the sunset brother. Legend forever!!!
50 years of performing, drugs, alcohol and being CONSTANTLY shit on by Gene and Paul, has taken its toll. I still dig him though. Ace made KISS. And Gene and Paul should be kissing his ass. Ace has put out album after album over the years, and KISS has been constantly "retiring" like old whores. I've always loved Ace, but I wouldn't go see this show, sadly. Also $1,000.00 to sign my Gibson Les Paul is a Gene Simmons move. Even the "cheap" package of $500.00 is ridiculous. But hey, get it if you can Ace. This show is 100% Ace. Not singing into the mic about 60% of the time, semi-killer on the guitar, sounding like it's the 3rd time ever that they've all played it together. Thank you Neal for posting this. Saved me about $2,000 in travel, (flight, hotel), tickets, VIP signing, etc.
Opening with Shock Me then right into Rocket Ride? FIRE!!!
Ace, deixe de preguiça e solta essa pôrra dessa voz no tempo certo. O pessoal da mesa de som, melhore o retorno pra ele, pôrra!
"I'm having trouble finding some energy" Man I love Ace, but this is painful, zero stage presence , hoping this was a one off and he was drunk.Wow I just watched the rest of it and got to his solo,,,did he kill a cat? He has to be buttered to play this bad.
Pretty sad... Never really was an Ace fan, even though I did like him WAY back in the beginning of KISS. He's sadly got MUCH worse + his ongoing whining about what happened. I mean, I just wish him the best & hope he stays away from everything that got him in the shitter to begin with. Yet one would think he's have a better performance considering..I had to give up 18 minutes in. I just felt like I was watching/listening to a band that was just beginning not someone that's done it for half a century. Sorry ACE
I'm embarrassed FOR him, he's pathetic. If a recent KISS performance were this bad, you folks would be crucifying Gene and Paul. Please be objective and admit Ace should call it quits
Ace saunters out. He fist bumps his band and says "nice to meet you", even though they've been on the road for 6 weeks.
Yikes. I grew up listening to Ace and while he was never the greatest singer/guitar player, he just oozed coolness. Yeah, that's gone lol. This is painful to watch. He HAS to stop. There's no shame in getting old.
What a dissapointment to the hard worker who spends money for a shit show....He dont care....just give me your money....shame on him.....sounds like shit....for a guy thats got a big mouth....sad!
Age, Drugs, Alcohol all play a role here. Not the way it used to be. I love ACE but, everything is completely different. 🙈🙉🙊
30 min from my house. I've seen Ace dozens of times but at this point in his career it's...not good. If I were given tickets for free I still wouldn't go. My Ace memories need to stay on the good side of nightmare.
The most bored person who is taking peoples hard earn money alive...i wouldnt give him a dime..he should open up for Coey Feldman..actually if i was Corey no thx..retire ace..fyi his new record..didnt write 1 tune..except for some old recorded shtt ..retire please..u are embarrassing yourself..imho
Good Lord... is that a wig?
No, he's 72 years old and has a full head of hair. He uses a shampoo and conditioner in one.
yes a wig
Rocket Ride was horrible. The drummer couldn’t hold tempo and the whole chorus slowed down. He needs to call it quits at this point
Even if his vocals are a mess he at least improved his guitar playing.Great Album btw!
Oh boy the singing 🥵🫢🫣
you mean the talking. Ace never sang lyrics, he just speaks them.
Yeah the singing is really bad, It is almost as horrible as his guitar playing! I know kids that have been playing 2 months that can play better.
He cant sing, cant play.. Unplug Ace and save your reputation for gods sake!
HE HAS BEEN OFF THE ROAD FOR A WHILE and he is 72 folks
he's been off the road for a few weeks LMFAO He just played a gig in Vegas in Dec and before that a summer tour that wrapped up in Aug/Sept and he's been working on an album! Quit making excuses for him, Keith Richards is nearly a decade older and done more drugs than Ace and plays flawlessly! This is due to Ace just doesn't give a F*CK!
That is beyond awful. How embarrassing for that band to have to stand up there with that. Jesus.
Ace fingers are so quick the guitar actually starts smoking. I bet Ace could play with teeth like Hendrix but dont want to come over has too flashy
_Weekend At Frehley’s_
And Ace’s band just takes the money, no matter how bad the show is !!
Should they not get paid?
@@giraffesareselfish9563 obviously they should, money is more important than self respect !
@@IanConnaghandon't blame the band for Ace's performance.
Lot of hater's you can clearly see is playing the songs solos fills and all. It's sad someone of his stature has so many hater's
Ace ... crank your guitar ... great solo on Shock me ... and I love your shirts