I would disagree. The first ship should house a nuclear power plant with the most power available for work on moon. Second ship should house water and air systems with backup equipment for all life requirements. Then lay a ship down to house humans. Connect Power, Air and water to that ship. Then send housing cubes that interconnects together on deliverys. Build a space condo system.
Musk is all about removing the unnecessary part. I don't understand why the Moonbase Starships are not designed to land on their sides. Seems like a lot of unnecessary steps: 1. Land standing up. 2. Complicated unloading. 3. Complicated repositioning. Why not just land on its side from the beginning.
@@dougfaulkner367 NASA investigated Landing the large rockets on their side early in the 1960s. It turns out that the most efficient way to do it is to use a dedicated Lander designed specifically for landing on the lunar surface. This SpaceX plan is just a return to the original Concepts from Apollo in the early 1960s
I understand your reasoning. Everything in engineering it a trade-off. Landing on the side will require: 1. Special engines used only once for this purpose, 2. All the supporting infrastructure for this - e.g., gimbals for thrust vectoring, additional turbo-pumps, fuel tanks designed for both horizontal and vertical use, extra horizontal sensors to control landing 3. New software and landing procedures that cannot be fully tested on Earth (wrong gravity), 4. Significant structural changes to rocket to support side-ways deceleration and landing (legs needed) 5. Preparation for 'foundation' (i.e., site preparation) must occur while the vehicle is 'in the way' Landing on the end will require: 1. Specialized machinery to excavate/create anchor points. 2. Specialized machinery to lower the vehicle. 3. Specialized structural attachment points on the vehicle for the lowering cable. (Perhaps already in place since 'standard' SS is designed to be caught.) Did I leave out anything significant? Overall, the mass/complexity seems to favor vertical landing.
They need 20 starships to build a base on the moon. They need a lot of food and water, space to grow food indoor, a lot of equipment to generate power.
@ you don't need 20 starships to deliver supplies. Since the starship is designed to be fully reusable, you can have one starship deliver supplies from earth to lunar surface multiple times. So instead of costings billions it will only cost millions.
Failure to protect the entire site from meteors is foolish. First put excavators to work to prepare for underground construction. Place the excavated material to shield the site. Never disregard "Murphy's law," if it can go wrong it will go wrong." Therefore the wish forsee every coming happenstance good or bad, and make accommodations accordingly.
Imagery is rather misleading. For space flight and upright positioning, the imagery is correct. However, were the Starship to be lowered to a horizontal position, the habitat would not be round as pictured because the vessel is now like a pipe lying down. Imagery needs to take this into account to be visually correct.
They need 20 Starships to establish a base on the Moon. They’ll require a large supply of food and water, space for indoor farming, and plenty of equipment to generate power.
How do you recycle 6 raptor engines wieghing 10.5 tons on earth ? Where is the reusability of all this engine mass ? Putting this 10.5 tons of mass per Starship on the Moon to good use is a challenge.
Space X is building a Shuttle not a starship. I'm designing something 3D printed in weightless environment. Mostly carbon fiber nanotube grown in weightless environment.
Since human breathing doent change the amount of nitrogen in the breathing gas significantly.... it'll not need a huge substitution of this component. ;)
@@MisterFlagg if you're on the moon and only have 18% (the oxygen part) of the air you need to breathe , where are you getting the nitrogen from? Or are we expected to breathe pure oxygen?
No one is doing squat without copper. Not on the moon, not on Mars. Copper is the lifeblood of our technology. You'd better be taking copper wire of all gauges or this is all a joke.
These are great ideas.. but you haven't seen ANY designs for bulldozers or backhoes or cranes.. none. You can render all you want but untill CASE, or Catipiller or Hauus start being brought in.. your not going to move metic tons of dirt and rock with tiny drones skimming a landing pad or 3d printing burms.. you NEED real construction equipment compactors, graders,.. with real people operating it remotely or otherwise.. real people. You can do it in a single day.. not years with tiny robots. I will take this seriously when they start thinking practically.. if we are going to go.. go with a full plan.. go to stay. Everytime I see "space construction equipment" I always think of "Armageddon" NASA built what they think should do the job.. instead of just going to the people who actually do the job.. all these fancy tin spinners go out the window when you ding your blade into a iron asteroid chunk..30billion space erector set nasa dirt mover tinker toy is destroyed..
I would disagree. The first ship should house a nuclear power plant with the most power available for work on moon. Second ship should house water and air systems with backup equipment for all life requirements. Then lay a ship down to house humans. Connect Power, Air and water to that ship. Then send housing cubes that interconnects together on deliverys. Build a space condo system.
Cool video Kevin 👍
Thanks
Musk is all about removing the unnecessary part. I don't understand why the Moonbase Starships are not designed to land on their sides. Seems like a lot of unnecessary steps:
1. Land standing up.
2. Complicated unloading.
3. Complicated repositioning.
Why not just land on its side from the beginning.
@@dougfaulkner367 NASA investigated Landing the large rockets on their side early in the 1960s. It turns out that the most efficient way to do it is to use a dedicated Lander designed specifically for landing on the lunar surface. This SpaceX plan is just a return to the original Concepts from Apollo in the early 1960s
I understand your reasoning. Everything in engineering it a trade-off.
Landing on the side will require:
1. Special engines used only once for this purpose,
2. All the supporting infrastructure for this - e.g., gimbals for thrust vectoring, additional turbo-pumps, fuel tanks designed for both horizontal and vertical use, extra horizontal sensors to control landing
3. New software and landing procedures that cannot be fully tested on Earth (wrong gravity),
4. Significant structural changes to rocket to support side-ways deceleration and landing (legs needed)
5. Preparation for 'foundation' (i.e., site preparation) must occur while the vehicle is 'in the way'
Landing on the end will require:
1. Specialized machinery to excavate/create anchor points.
2. Specialized machinery to lower the vehicle.
3. Specialized structural attachment points on the vehicle for the lowering cable. (Perhaps already in place since 'standard' SS is designed to be caught.)
Did I leave out anything significant?
Overall, the mass/complexity seems to favor vertical landing.
Excellent video, thanks
They need 20 starships to build a base on the moon. They need a lot of food and water, space to grow food indoor, a lot of equipment to generate power.
or just use use 1 starship 20 times
@@popthiccle1158 or 1/2 a Starship 40 times.
What?
What do you mean that's not how it works? 🙀
@ you don't need 20 starships to deliver supplies. Since the starship is designed to be fully reusable, you can have one starship deliver supplies from earth to lunar surface multiple times. So instead of costings billions it will only cost millions.
Kevin is back ! you sound all better now ! Happy Sunday !
Thanks for your support 👍
SpaceX should build a full size HLS mock-up both vertical and horizontal models to showcase what the interiors would look like for the moon mission.😊
I can't wait to see this...
Somebody watching??💙💙💙💙💙
Failure to protect the entire site from meteors is foolish. First put excavators to work to prepare for underground construction. Place the excavated material to shield the site. Never disregard "Murphy's law," if it can go wrong it will go wrong." Therefore the wish forsee every coming happenstance good or bad, and make accommodations accordingly.
All these problems could be solved if we just build the USS Enterprise!
Imagery is rather misleading. For space flight and upright positioning, the imagery is correct. However, were the Starship to be lowered to a horizontal position, the habitat would not be round as pictured because the vessel is now like a pipe lying down. Imagery needs to take this into account to be visually correct.
Have you ever tried to land a super tall rocket like Starship in KSP? Good luck with that.
But they still need heat shield for when they go out in space right?
They need 20 Starships to establish a base on the Moon. They’ll require a large supply of food and water, space for indoor farming, and plenty of equipment to generate power.
For energy they will use mini nuclear reactors.
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HAIL ELON MUSK !!!
Elon, may I have the window seat please...🇺🇸
I want to go and "Stay"...🇺🇸
Why aren’t the cleaning of the fuel tanks idea used in the building of the new space station One or two starships and you have a new space station!
Didn't you do a similar video a few weeks ago? Why repeat content?
How do you recycle 6 raptor engines wieghing 10.5 tons on earth ?
Where is the reusability of all this engine mass ?
Putting this 10.5 tons of mass per Starship on the Moon to good use is a challenge.
Why didn't you see any micrometeorite strikes during the first moon landing?
because they are extremely tiny so its going to be almost impossible for them to get hit
As great as this is it feels to me to be about 15 years away to be honest.
Will they dismount the solar panels on the SS before burying it ?
What a waste if not !
Space X is building a Shuttle not a starship.
I'm designing something 3D printed in weightless environment. Mostly carbon fiber nanotube grown in weightless environment.
It’s name is Starship lmao
Just another repeat!
Earth's air is 78% nitrogen. Where are you going to get that?
Since human breathing doent change the amount of nitrogen in the breathing gas significantly.... it'll not need a huge substitution of this component. ;)
@@MisterFlagg if you're on the moon and only have 18% (the oxygen part) of the air you need to breathe , where are you getting the nitrogen from? Or are we expected to breathe pure oxygen?
No one is doing squat without copper. Not on the moon, not on Mars. Copper is the lifeblood of our technology. You'd better be taking copper wire of all gauges or this is all a joke.
that 100 ton payload will come in handy for this
@@SDYellow I think unless we find Cu in situ, all the industry that is needed aint gonna happen.
All this seems too much trouble to do...
Science fiction.
These are great ideas.. but you haven't seen ANY designs for bulldozers or backhoes or cranes.. none. You can render all you want but untill CASE, or Catipiller or Hauus start being brought in.. your not going to move metic tons of dirt and rock with tiny drones skimming a landing pad or 3d printing burms.. you NEED real construction equipment compactors, graders,.. with real people operating it remotely or otherwise.. real people. You can do it in a single day.. not years with tiny robots.
I will take this seriously when they start thinking practically.. if we are going to go.. go with a full plan.. go to stay.
Everytime I see "space construction equipment" I always think of "Armageddon" NASA built what they think should do the job.. instead of just going to the people who actually do the job.. all these fancy tin spinners go out the window when you ding your blade into a iron asteroid chunk..30billion space erector set nasa dirt mover tinker toy is destroyed..
Yeah
That is the landing position of the starship on the moon." The moon is a distraction" Elon Musk. What a joke
No.
I am a land lover. And horticulturalist.
Space is for Spock.
This guy has such a weak, beta, live in my parent’s basement voice.
And he probably has more money and has accomplished way more in his life than you ever will😂😉