Radeon R7 240 and Windows XP Retro Games
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If you guys would like to know a cheap version of the R7 240 for retro games, keep an eye out for the OEM versions, the HD 8570. They can be found for low prices on the used market because they come packaged in Dells and the like. They're typically only 1GB instead of 2Gb or 4GB, but for most retro games that's plenty.
I acctualy use an R5 240 as a secondary card, and you'd be surprised what one of these little cards can do. Especially in older titles with the low power envelope it has. Nice to see this holds true in older games... If you can get one cheap enough.
Ive got the DDR3 Variant, and its not too much worse in all honesty.
wow! funny to see you here!
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All graphic cards need to be made with eMMC memory and have all drivers integrated, and a back plate, and the DVI or VGA needs to be removable, because only the HDMI is important, and with a ram slot in the back to add more ram
any benchmarks with 360 era games?
So i have two options 1.)i3 9100F+R7 240 2gb or i5 4590+R9 380x 4gig whic setup should i buy also i will be upgrading to a Gtx 1070 a month or two later also would like to add i play games from 2000 to 2013 not much new titles.
@PhilsComputerLab excellent content, as always. Thanks for taking the time to go through retro gaming. I can play games like Fallout 3 on my newer system, by enabling compatibility, but I'd love to build the ultimate retro pc to play other favorites like 4x4Evo. Keep up the good work because every video helps us build pc's for the games that we want to play from yesteryear. You are truly a archivist for pc gaming, and to show us how to play earlier games through the compatibility with hardware/software. I don't know why you don't have over a million subscribers. Cheers from Arkansas, U.S.
Thank you for the support!
I use an R7 240 in a budget build I put together, mostly for software testing. 5350 AMD APU, 4GB RAM, R7 240, An ASUS Xonar sound card and a 240GB+500GB SSD and HDD respectively, in a rather nice Fractal case. The idea was to have a system that was more like our customer systems in terms of performance metric as a system I could occasionally run our software on to test, as opposed to our development systems which can be used to test but don't represent our typical customer configuration.
Not a bad use for this card :)
Would like to see a follow up video about why modern Amd cards are better for retro xp gaming vs nvidia. Not that I have a bias, would just like to hear the reasoning and see a side by side comparison to help make some decisions regarding an xp build I'm looking into.
Yup that's the plan!
If you already have to "hack" the AMD driver installation, would the equivalent Nvidia one be the same or easier?
I've got a retro rig with a Core 2 Duo E8400 and a Nvidia GTX 650ti running Windows XP without any problems. The drivers do install fine.
I'd opt for a core 2 duo if I were building this from the ground up. My platform will be an i5 2500k system that I will dual boot with xp and win7 (already checked and my mobo does have full xp support). It's way more powerful than what I need, but it's just laying around collecting dust so I might as well put it to use.
Well a 2500K or 2600K paired with a GTX 780 Ti would be the fastest still supported under XP.
But SandyBridge is a nice used budget option today, so they are sought after outside of XP gaming.
Core 2's on the other hand got a nice balance between price and power draw and are widely available. Only issue is finding good boards for a good price.
Besides that there are few games that scale above 2 cores and got issues with more recent systems.
To be fair that's awesome. Such a small card, easily available, silent, no extra power needed (handy for older builds with smaller PSU's). Usually I'm very against using a modern card in a retro rig, I like to keep everything period based, but this is a great idea!
Another reason to look at this for a retrogaming rig, you can get one of those old Dell or HP towers you find ex lease and they will fit and work without much hassle. The cases are usually too short in length to fit a decent card so one of these will be fine and the fact there is no extra power need is a real bonus!
Old HP tower and one of these will be a decent XP retro rig.
I know this video is 5 years old, but I want to thank you for the solution because of this missing driver problem. I searched 3 days to install the right driver for this card (i am using the passive cooled XFX version), but I wasn't able to on Windows XP. SDI really helped here! Again, thank you Phil!
This is exactly what i feel about gpu's that no one wants. give them a go with retro system if you cant find an actual older gpu ;-) A cheap modern card might be more useful for more suited tasks. i m very curious how it would perform on even older games that you show in your video, just for fun.
Maybe things are different now but it used to be that .NET 2.0 was a prerequisite for ATI drivers on Windows XP, and this was a major cause of driver installs failing.
They didn't state this anywhere when you downloaded the drivers, nor did they package the drivers with an installer.
That's not quite correct. .NET is required to launch the Catalyst Control Center. But anyway, I had .NET installed already as I know about this requirement.
The driver from AMD's site for the card for XP wasn't signed -- the message in the installer log as well as the pop-up when he used the 3rd party 'driver installer' gave it away.
I suspect if Phil tries to manually install it through Device Manager it will work just fine. (point it at C:\AMD\Support\DRIVER-PACKAGE-NAME\Packages\Drivers\Display)
PhilsComputerLab i saw you struggling on another video also when installing videodrivers but i can only say that it works most of the time when i try to install drivers in safe mode. Have you tried that?
Exactly why I was thinking of getting a R7 series card for my XP GOG/Steam PC. Still supports Windows XP and has HDMI. In my research, R9 270X was the highest you can go in XP, although at quite an overkill boost. You can go as far as a 260X but anything in the threes doesn't work.
HA! Shots fired...can't wait.
Yea can't wait to make that video :D
A.K.A. Server 2003 x64 in XP clothing. As it was with Windows 2000 Pro, I used WinXP x64 with more success than I thought I would have but ultimately, it was not worth it.
Besides, I try to stay away from modded/hacked drivers unless there is a compelling reason to.
How do you think a R9 280 would fare?
Cant believe youtube wasn't showing you under recommended or subscribed, ive been subscribed!
Yea YT is a bit wonky it seems.
I have the single slot 2GB DDR3 variant of the R7 240 from Sapphire I bought a few years ago to upgrade from the awful Geforce 210 and it was the first graphics card I bought. Looking back at it, it was a bit of a lousy purchase considering the price/performance value but to be fair, pretty much all computer shops in where I live didn't have any mid-range graphics cards available at the time so I didn't have access to better options and it wasn't until pretty recently that stores started stocking mid-range and the occasional high-end cards though most are from NVIDIA and rarely from AMD likely due to the mining craze. For one thing, it was a lot faster than the Geforce 210 so it served me well for a few years until I upgraded to a 1050Ti. I still have my R7 240 currently used in my Linux box.
Thanks for sharing your story!
first graphics card i bought myself was HD7770 1ghz edition from gigabyte, second - R9 270 from gigabyte, third one - R9 290x windforce edition from gigabyte, and fourth one which i use now gtx 1080 xtreme gaming edition from gigabyte
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Man, your in my head phil lol, Last night i put together a DDR 2 build, Just for retro gaming with win 7, 4gb Ram, im actually using my old R7 350 Gigabyte Ultra, on my old Acer Aspire lol, with the Athlon 2 64bit 3800+ lol but IT WORKS SO WELL !!! lol LOVE THIS COVER of the card , Great Content
I'm really looking forward to seeing more from you with regards to AMD/ATI and Windows XP Cards -- especially with regards to compatibility with temperamental games that have missing , corrupted textures or other glitches on more modern cards. This is particularly interesting to me because the BEST Windows XP cards out there from NVIDIA are not going to last as they're almost all from the bumpgate era. My beautiful 275 GTX CO-OP Edition card that came with Arkham Asylum and has the Joker on the cover-plate recently bit the dust. Very disappointing. It had a second GPU (250) on the card for dedicated PhysX.
I think compatibility with games is a massive undertaking that we can only tackle together as a community. There really isn't much information out there. There is only so much I can do. But I will look at something else in a video soon that might make people choose Radeon for their XP retro projects.
I have a R7 240 with 1 GB
On a Pentium D, Windows 7 and a 4:3 monitor.. it actually can run modern games such as Rust well (on low settings, but not the LOWEST settings)
I use a half height, single slot 1GB DDR5 Geforce GT 730 in a mini itx windows xp retro gaming PC the size of a shoebox. To be honest I paid like half of this price for it and it does just fine in anything I wish to run in WinXP. 4GB video memory is a complete gimmick on this one!
I still think it is better to buy a higher end graphics card from a couple of years ago than spend the same money on a new card at the bottom end of the market. You will almost always get better gaming support and performance.
Careful, though.. not all 775-chipsets support Memory Remapping, making 4GB GPU's a problem with a 32-bit OS and a Max of 4GB addressable memory space!
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You're thinking of CPU RAM. This, however, is GPU RAM, and graphics cards have their own built-in BIOS that adresses its memory. At least to my knowledge.
If those 4GB of video memory are of any use is a very different question.
To the operating system and drivers it's still addressable memory than needs to be mapped to an address range.. and systems without remapping or Physical Address Extension support will still only be able to address a total of 4096MB of it :(
Put 4GB DDR2 in such a system with a 2GB GPU, and you'll find a 32-bit Windows 7's Task Manager reporting 4GB RAM with (2.0GB Usable) next to it. Swap out that GPU for one with less memory and the "usable" amount of Ram increases. Same goes for some RAID-controllers.
PAE on the software/cpu side or chipset/BIOS level remapping resolves this issue. it's not about what type of memory it is or where, it's a literal 32-bit address space limit.
(also, in Linux you actually have an option to mount GPU memory and use it for storage. not recommended but address space limitation is a problem without the common workarounds)
ijustwrestledabear some boards try to cache vram addresses onto the CPUs memory address space. Same with sound cards. Not a problem in a 64-bit os environment, but definitely a problem in a 32-bit one.
Would be nice to have a great Win XP PC. I most of the time played games on Win 2000 and XP when i was younger.
Yea they are slowly becoming more popular, not quite retro yet, but I like to push the limits a bit :D
[OD]Maggy Yeah it would be nice to have a Win XP machine.I have a PC that I got for free from one of my dad's friends,but I'll have to replace the ground wires on the PSU because they are corroded,buy some RAM and see if I can fix the graphics card.
I use a GT 740 as a secondary GPU in my system and in my multiboot configuration I'm running Windows XP alongside some modern OSs--I chose the GT 740 because I found a single slot version of it that was pretty cheap and I did want some power in that package to hopefully force good AA in those older games, but also really needed it to be single slot to make room for other expansion in my PC.
Even after overclocking, it's _still_ not enough to allow AA on some more demanding games like FEAR, Hitman: Blood Money, and Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory at 1600x1200 without dropping well below 60 fps. I'm not too sure I'll ever find a more powerful single slot card than that at a reasonable price anymore though while also fulfilling the "official XP support" requirement!
AA is a totally different animal. Like AMD cards can do SSAA, that just kills the performance. There are plenty of fast GPUs available, but when it comes to being small and power efficient, something like a 750 might be worth looking at. This is definitely on the cards!
Thanks for the thoughts and for reading my comment in the first place. Would be a pretty interesting video for sure to users with low profile needs.
Unfortunately, all of the SFF/LP/single slot 750s are very sought after in my region (U.S.) and the prices are far higher than even MSRP for when the 750 was new(!) Only the 730 and 710 can be found for reasonable prices, and I'm guessing there's some AMD cards that would be a better choice at that point (probably this one, for example, if there's a single slot version). I used to use a GTX 750, and it did perform a bit better--still choked a bit on Mass Effect (no AA ~45 fps), but I never even OC'd it. In the end, I needed a smaller card to make room for a Sound Blaster, which is why I got the 740.
The good news is, I'm actually pretty satisfied with my 740 after the overclock--I'm not a huge stickler for AA--I just figured it and my 750 before it would make these old games scream and was surprised to find out otherwise.
Well, if your games run on Windows 7 at least, maybe with some modding, nothing beats the GTX 1050 Ti. It's the best low profile card. But no XP drivers. But the games you mentioned, I believe they all run fine under Windows 7.
I'm sure all those games run perfectly under Windows 10 even. My aim was to have a reference point for absolute confidence that I'm hearing EAX the way it was intended, as ALchemy, while _very_ good, is not 100% perfect in my experience--even when you have a true X-Fi. If not for that, then I'd just blast my GTX 1070 at them. : )
I can totally relate to that. The challenge you are facing is that of power efficiency. Older cards are not as efficient, modern cards are, but lack Windows XP compatibility. So you might be forced to go with a standard ATX case to use full height cards, that will open a ton of options. All things I want to look into at some point! Just got to find the time :D
A comparison to other videocards would have been nice. Like a 7850. It might be interesting to know when newer graphics cards start to fail at windows xp
There are lots of existing videos, but the test system I used is brand new, so for this video it was all I could put together. But now we got the results, so it will go in future graphs :D
Hey Phil, I like your videos, however this one I like a lot more simply because I can associate with it. I purchased a MSI R7 240 GPU from Newegg a while back. It was a 2gb Gddr5 variant with a 800mhz core clock and 1150 memory clock. It's a nifty card, and even though the initial model of the r7 240 was just a super budget ddr3 card, these other variants are ones people should look out for.
That's great to hear! I will look at more budget cards in the near future :D
I love these real cheap, budget GPUs since they use minimal power and have more than enough power under the hood for DX9 games.
One thing I did notice with these newer cards, especially radeon cards, that on Windows XP you have to manually install the drivers from the device manager, since the latest drivers aren't signed for it.
I ran into the same issue and show this in the video :) I see, so you can just install it though device manager, well that's easy enough.
There are a few things that I like with AMD cards regarding retrogaming, like the support for supersampling antialiasing in the drivers. I found that multi-sampling (MSAA) wasn't working very well with older games, sometimes creating artifacts and messing with 2D stuff on screen. Supersampling has better compatibility than MSAA and it doesn't mess with the UI unlike VSR/DSR (the tiny and unreadable UI syndrome).
Funny to see those issues with the card.
Got my R7 250X running just fine under XP with the 14.4 from the AMD website.
Maybe an unknown vendor ID, not sure what's going on.
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I had a MSI Z77A G43 and a R9 290x, later a Vega 64. The Intel USB extensible 3.0 host driver from the MSI website blocking the installation from the AMD drivers. That took me 2 days of my life.
I just upgraded my WinXP-Win10 dual purpose rig to an R9 280x, the pack 2 drivers you mentioned installed no problem for me. That was a VTX brand :-)
Interesting, that card doesn't seem to be on the "supported list" of the 14.4 driver. It tops out with the 270x. 280x sounds quite powerful?
Yeah I was a bit concerned about that but the 280x is supposed to be a rebadged higher clocked 7970 which had full XP support, so I went for it using the R9 270x driver and it installed and seems to be work just fine :-)
Nice!
Ran 3dmark01 for funsies, with an i5 2500k @ 4.0GHz I got a 3dmark01 score of 73139. I remember running it back in the day getting 18,000 and thinking I was on top of the world with my super expensive rig!
Oh, sometimes Phil, in order for a driver to install, it sometimes gets stuck disabling the display driver to uninstall it, if you're using HDMI. I don't know if you tried that, I just paused the video to comment, but, I've had that issue on a few PC's, and unplugging HDMI while uninstalling the gpu driver worked. Like as soon as it starts to uninstall, unplug the hdmi/displayport wait like 3 or so minutes and plug it back in, should work.
I used DVI in this case.
Would those 'little things' include higher/no framerate limit in VGA/Mode-X for stuff like Quake benchmarks, full dynamic range color output out of the box (compared to a 16-16-16 dark gray as NVIDIA's default darkest possible colour), better scaling options, etc.?
The color range can actually be set inside the control panel.
Works great in qemu virtual machine manager. No noticable loss in performance from bare metal
Damn I just bought a R7 450 with similar memory (basically a 4GB GDDR5 128bit HD7750 with a 125MHz overclock to the core). I expect it to crush these older games when paired with the Ryzen 3 1200 I'm going to use it with
but the 14.4 driver have really poor opengl performance with lack of extension limit and odd issues with gta iv, so you have to elaborate that magazine you unloaded. For nvidia 368 and up to gtx 9xx cards supported on XP, the opposite is mostly the case from what ive seen. I'm really curious to what amd does you talk about, looking forward to that video
Yea the way it's looking, it will likely be next week!
I do a lot of retro console emulation (mostly PS1 & PS2) and AMD cards have almost always been a bane because of the lousy OpenGL support and performance with AMD/ATI. Even with current AMD cards Nvidia still outperforms AMD in OpenGL. PCL is focused on PC retro gaming so it doesn't matter too much in this environment.
Great video, it help me a lot, but I am also having trouble with my Yeston radeon R7 240, I would like to know if you had installed the last version of the driver or it just run well in the version 14.4 because I installed my drivers by the amd and it is not working, version 18.5.
for older OSes i generally go with nvidia because they generally provide drivers for a longer time.
I am positively surprised, not too many AMD / Nvidia fanboy type comments, which is awesome to see.
AMD is not very good at supporting old hardware and OSes.
i use AMD GPUs(R7 260X and R9 280) in my "modern" computers,
but for old computers it is nvidia or S3 paired with Intel CPUs.
i used to swear by intel and nvidia hardware... during the worst years of both brands.
Lol, Crysis is still a slayer.
Yup, still is.
For the "9x/XP" era of games that interests me i use either a Voodoo, a TNT2 or a GF3. Almost everything after that will also run fine on modern hardware, maybe a little patch to make then core-affine, but they will run. And as Clint already mentioned in his rather large video, if an older game refuses to run under Windows 10 on your fat gaming rig, try running it with Wine under Linux. ;)
For me, I like to make use of EAX, and avoid ALchemy when possible, so I run 'em under Windows XP as long as the EAX support is there and not wrapped anyway (eg. STALKER wraps it so there's no benefit in running that under XP). If it wasn't for that, I probably would run most of them under Windows 10 as well.
I had the XFX R7 250 (1G) served me well until it just gave up one day, it was the Low Profile version Core Edition, might have been over worked in a hot SFF case :) , nice video Phil.
I'm only starting to look at these Radeon cards. The model numbers confused me a bit, especially all the rebranding going on, but we will get there :D
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My gut says that I agree with you ("fine wine" and non-performance crippling newer drivers like Nvidia,) but I'd love to hear your reasons for saying that. Better compatibility?
Yea I can't wait to make that video :D
PhilsComputerLab I look forward to it, thank you. :-)
I gotta hold onto my GTX 770s... since they still support XP.
Looks like my old 7850 works better for XP and retro games :)
If you use a desktop the amount of power used doesn't matter unless you have one of those crappy PSU's the mainstream manufacturers like to dump on people who don't know better. The amount of money you save on the electricity bills is next to nothing (around £4 for a year) so it is not worth worrying about.
> 7850
> old
I'm running a 7850 here to this day.
Old here means 386 and 486 anyway :P
11c per kw bro!
The problem isn't paying for electricity. It's the extra capacity required from the PSU. Decent low-capacity PSU's are pretty cheap, but decent mid-high capacity ones are not. The money saved by going with a cheap older card might not be worth it if you need to buy a new PSU to power it.
I still have a family PC that uses a 7870, and it can still play modern games at playable framerate. Weird things, AMD cards. They may not be the fastest, but they some how maintain FPS beyond their time at a level inconsistent with their maximum performance.
If you're making a video about retro gaming on Nvidia vs AMD maybe include NFS Porsche? I remember way back not understanding why it kept crashing until I found out it has an issue with Nvidia cards on a map. AMD/ATI works fine.
So NFS Porsche is more a Windows 98 game. I believe it has issues with a fast CPU, but there might be a community based patch to resolve this. I did do a video ages ago with a Pentium III and a GeForce 2 type card.
It's not a so bad card per-se, for the cost of a brand new "AAA" PC game you get 4 gigs of G-DDR 5, 128-bit bus and 320 GCN cores with DX12 + Vulkan compatability, but it's still better to add a bit more and get atleast the RX 550 which is more modern and a better performer, not only in older titles but newer games too. Even a "tuned up" R7 240 will not far exceed the performance of several integrated graphics chips.
Yes the RX 550 makes a lot more sense with modern titles, but it isn't XP compatible. That's really the focus here, I wouldn't have reviewed the card for any other reason :)
Ah, I missed that part, interesting.
oh, sure! Yeston!
never heard of it.
The problem is the last drivers released for the R7 240 on WinXP were in October 2013. Only a few months after the card released, meaning the drivers are literally terrible. I got better performance on my XP machine with an OEM HD 7470 :(
It is sad when you can't find the correct drivers from the manufactures website, especially when it is a current product! A bit like my experience so far with Longhorn and nvidia. Might have to try your snappy driver finder program for Longhorn.
Yea it's the second time I'm running into this issue, really odd.
That's what I did to my Dell slim tower pc, I put r7 250 in it and call it Retro xp gaming machine, although r7 250 cost me only 25 gbp.
AMD's non-inclusion of the VCE on anything lower than the 250X is a really dealbreaker for me.
I guess that's one way to offload defective higher end chips...
Great video BTW :)
Great video, Phil!
Thanks!
The problem with an R7 240, and you did touch on this, is that it's still an R7 240. For the same $65 it costs right now from Gearbest, you could come within $5 of a GT 1030. If you go used, the market opens up even more. A GDDR5 HD 6670, which will net you about the same performance as an R7 240, costs about half of what this R7 240 does on eBay (and that eBay price seems high, actually).
Point being, the problem you run into with low-end cards is that the performance you get is not even close to worth the price you pay. For XP gaming in particular, there really is no reason to spend more than $30 on a used card. Nothing brand new is going to be worth the price of admission for what you're asking of it when there are thousands upon thousands of HD 6000 and GTX 200 series cards out there for $20-30.
Props for pointing out that the 4GB of VRAM is a gimmick, though, and I don't mean to knock the video at all. I believe firmly in steering people away from buying low-end hardware in general, because the compromises in quality and performance are too great. Now, the second I find an RX 550 for $50, that might all change in an instant...
Yea I agree with most of the points. Here in Australia, used cards are a bit more expensive than in the US, and shipping alone is usually another 15 to 25 Australian dollars, whereas this R7 comes with free shipping, which is nice for people like me living in remote areas :D I picked this card specifically because it still has XP compatibility.
Phil can you try and get an ASL 1050ti Battleflag Edition? That card is my new White Whale! Its a single slot, low profile 1050ti !!!!!!!
Interesting, never heard or seen such this model so far.
I'll link it on Retro PC Gaming Facebook here in a sec.
I'd get a model with no more than 2GB though since it's not really fast enough to use 4GB, but it's a nice little card for older games.
An interesting comparison for xp gaming would be with a 8800GTS if you can find one (in lower resolutions than 1080p obviously)
Will you ever cover windows vista retro gaming?
I'm sure we'll check it out at some point.
I know the R7-240 is not a powerhouse, but 4GB GDDR5 is pretty sweet! I but you could run Oblivion on Max will all the graphical mods! One advantage to this card is its low power consumption. Around 30W if I remember correctly.
I'm using a GTX 750 Ti in my XP retro PC. Runs Crisis and FEAR great, but my monitor is limited to 1280x1024. I wonder how it would compare to the R7 240 at 1080p?
I think the 750 destroys it :D
Yes i know that this is the wrong video, but this is a bit more recent.
Its about my HP Elite Compaq 8200 SFF, do you remember Phil? when i asked where the sata power cable is, yeh its me again.
I just bought a 256gb ssd from samsung and wanted to add it to my pc so i have 506 gb total storage (with 250gb hdd).
But i havent done this i my whole entire life, so can you please explain to me how i migrate everything to the ssd, and then wipe the hdd for spare storage, what software i need to use, and how do i set the ssd to my main boot drive, as i said earlier ive never done this before so can i please get clear inscructions on how to do it, it will be really appreciated.
Thanks!
Just search for "disc cloning". Personally though I would re-install Windows onto the SSD.
Yeah just install windows to the SSD. It basically makes having an SSD pointless if you don't.
I’d think about it, but if i install it on my ssd and just copy my files over from my hdd and then wipe that, would that work? And i have Some games on it so how do i copy the whole drive to the ssd except for Windows? Because i have only used 200gb on the hdd so it would fit just fine on the ssd and then all the new games would Go to the hdd
Yeah just install windows on the SSD and transfer your files over. Re-install every other program too. Everything you don't re-install will not give you the benefits of the SSD. I know someone who did a disc clone onto his SSD and he got zero performance gain. It was like he did nothing, he got no performance boost. The only way to get boosted performance out of your SSD is to re-install all your programs on it.
Im going to try the clone first, and if the performance difference is none or very minimal im going to do a fresh install, thanks for the help!
around the time they went from hd 7xxx to r5/r7 etc, their drivers went downhill for my hd 6850
I'm only starting to work with Radeon cards, mostly got GeForce cards, but this one worked out quite well.
PhilsComputerLab it's good to have some driver updating utility at hand like that one you used in the video.
Yea it's the best one so far. 100% free and no limitations, also it's very fast and I've used it on quite a few machines with no issues. Just don't install any USB wireless input device drivers, that has gone wrong with me in the past :D
ProfesyonelCaylak same for the 6970, which now artifacts like mad on batman arkham knight
My thoughts about this gpu? I want to play nfs u2
So tested the full copy of that game, it runs much better! Basically 120 FPS locked :)
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There is some widescreen patches for that, im using Intel GMA 4500M graphics with Royal BNA Drivers, and can run the game at a custom high, at 1280x720 with above 32fps at all times! I have a Intel Pentium T4400 @2.2GHZ is well, the old need for speeds run on basically anything.
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Hey Phil is the R9 270x the fastest card for XP?
I think so, at least that's what the driver selecting tool on the AMD website shows. What does your research say?
Apparently NVidia has XP drivers for the Titan Z(Titan, 780Ti, etc), if that works, then that should be the fastest card that will run in XP.
PhilsComputerLab yeah same here r9 270x fastest.
How about a HD 7970? it has XP drivers and is immensely faster than a R9 270X
magottyk, 46% faster is “immensely faster” now? I don’t think most gamers would agree with that.
what was the testing system you used (CPU, Ram etc...)?
It's mentioned in the video, but it's an Intel Q35 motherboard, E8600 Core 2 Duo CPU, 4 GB RAM and a 500 GB HDD.
thank you man!
It would be really cool if you would also benchmark the video cards with GNU/Linux.
I wouldn't even know where to start.
I own a Dell Optiplex 9010 and 990 I upgraded both of them from the 7470 and 6450's to the r5 240, essentially same card, probably binned. While not exceptionally powerful for modern games, both Mint Linux and Windows xp perform exceptionally well with these higher end i5 office computers. Best of all, they're small. My 990 is a SFF loaded with an i5 2500 and an r5 240. It's a croch rocket for classic gaming, especially at 720p. Yeah, it's no match for my modern i7 XPS tower, but that's not the point and certainly my 64-bit OS isn't going to run on it them older games. Plus I only paid $10 bucks for the video card to start with. Did I mention these things over clock well? Yeah sure this isn't going to reach the levels of a Geforce 1030, but good luck getting that to work with your older games. Sure there's probably faster cards that will work with Windows xp, but most of them are not just used but probably abused. These cards likely just sat in an office pushing Word documents. Thus could possibly be a great value used. I think I have all of $70 bucks invested in my Optiplex 990, $25 for the cpu, another $10 for the video card and another $25 for the '20 Dell professional display. All used of course. But it works, and works well. Small investment for a fun hobby.
Can you recommend the best drivers to use for a Radeon hd 2400 Pro agp? The drivers on AMD’s website don’t work for XP(cause system to be unbootable) and the Windows 7 drivers crash and restart randomly.
AGP? Look for "AGP Hotfix driver"
Jay Arre agp or pci-e?
I guess you've already tried Catalyst 13.9?
Try an older driver, Sometimes the newest available isn't the best. That was quite common with ATi/AMD cards back then.
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Think it was 13.9 for 7 and 14.4 for xp.
Great Video! I use a R7 250 for Windows XP retro gaming because it is small enough to fit in the sff dell PC that I have.
Nice!
any advice on a cheap image scanner?
The 1gb gddr5 model performs better, so if you find a r7 240 1gb gddr5 used it might be worth it depending on the price
Interesting, is it clocked faster or something?
no, i was thinking that is was the 4gb ddr3 model which was commonly available in the US and EU, but this one from asia really has 4gb of gddr5, but they arent common here, but if you find a 1gb gddr5 version of the r7 240 it might be a good card to buy used if the price is good, like 30 euros or so
I would have though an old terascale GPU would be better if you can get your hands on a good one, terascale starts with the HD 2000 series but the 4000 series cards have the best configs in terms of stream processors TMU's and ROPs.
This r7 240 has 320:20:8 shaders:TMU's:ROPs and a HD4850 has 800:40:16, so based on that the 4850 should produce slightly better performance and have far better compatibility in terms of retro OS's, why 4GB? it's totally meaningless in that any game that can use that amount will not perform very well on this GPU and 4850's did come with up to 2GB GDDR5 and interestingly enough it was just a smidgen below 4000MHz on the 4850, which is what this Yeston card is reported to have.
Then if you look at terascale 2 that also should have better compatibility than GCN1 cards, I have a 6770 with 1GB GDDR5 with an 800:40:16 with 3400MHz memory and about 100 watts (needs 6 pin) that I only replaced because when I went to an AM3+ board there were legacy compatibility issues with the UEFI and so I got me a r7 260X that I was regrettably forced to buy (any excuse would have done), but the thing was rock solid in any BIOS board as with my AM2+ systems and if I tried hard enough I could have solved the legacy issue I'm sure (was forced to used the old trusty HD2600 pro for a couple of weeks).
$86 for a low end GCN1 with too much memory or look on ebay for a HD series card with 1-2GB of memory which you should be able to pick up for $20-$30. I know what I would be looking for.
The only advantage I can see is the low power of the R7 240, at 35W it doesn't need a power connector but then neither does a 7750 (512:32:16) which also comes up to 4GB (ddr3 I believe) and 2GB with DDR5.
People should never buy such cards new from the store, eBay and local places (Craigslist, forums with lots of members and sales sections) would have a lot of such video cards for sale at much better prices.
They're relatively safe "used" purchases since the processors on these video cards are not powerful enough to make the cards attractive for mining or for intensive applications that would have made these cards run at hot temperatures for long periods of times and at the same time they're cheap enough it's not worth for a seller to scam you by selling you a non functioning video card.
how about the legend Ati HD 6670 1GB gddr5, its very good for xp retro games, emulator pcsx2 run great on thats gpu ,
Should be a decent GPU for XP gaming!
I love that card!! It's my old card that I swapped out for an RX470 in my current rig. I had the 6670 for about five years. It's great, just my one's single smallish fan is loud.
no issues using 4gb gpu on windows xp 32bit?
Nope, didn't have any issues.
enigma776 this is because the 4GBs of memory on the gpu are managed by the gpu itself and the video driver. That 4GB limit only applies to the systems main memory.
I wouldn't expect that the entire contents of Video Memory are mapped as hardware addresses. I''d think Only the Video Card BIOS routines are mapped into and 'consume' hardware addresses. Graphics Memory is written to through DMA transfers handled by the GART, so only a smaller hardware I/O range determined by the graphics card/driver for communicating with the Memory management DMA on the graphics card needs to consume hardware address space, so the effect on consumer versions of 32-bit windows which artificially limit the address space to 4GB is not very substantial.
256mb are actually adressed, im not 100% sure but i found that information some time ago where i read about Adress Spaces in windows 32 bit systems. i could be wrong so please doublecheck.
Should i get a r7 350 2gb? Its 50$ and i game on intel hd .-.
Would you be able to know where I can locate drivers for a R7 240 2gb? I have a new windows XP system with SP3 but I can't seem to find the right drivers for the system.
Yes AMD stuffed this one up. There are 3 driver packs for XP. And they won't install directly, you need to run the installer to unpack the driver, I think it goes to C:\AMD and then install through device manager. Then run the installer again to install the Catalyst Control Centre. Good luck, hope this helps.
@@philscomputerlab Ah weird, thanks for the info! Are these on AMDs site?
@@philscomputerlab Actually I give up, this is way too convoluted haha. I'm just going to pick up a cheap Nvidia card off ebay.
Ah that sucks, wish I can help better. But yes the Nvidia drivers will work easier, the installer will work fine.
@@philscomputerlab well on a plus side, this super helped me. I'm trying to figure out this exact problem...which is really dumb.
Thanks for letting me know how to get the drivers installed.
Pricing is way off for the uk the rx 550 is 90£ (150aud) so honestly i'd take a shot at this card..no real deals for low end cards here at least that I can find..only the top end gets quite the discounts
Yea AMD has some weird pricing in many regions.
Wait, it has more memory than a R7 260X? I always thought the R7 240 had 1 gig max at gddr5 speeds.
You're from Australia? lol I always thought you're german because you sound like you have an german accent
I think that he might even be a german-brazilian.
Well, he lives in Australia. That doesn''t say anything about his origin.
He's Austrian-Australian.
I would like you to make a video testing more demanding games
More demanding than Crysis?
Personally , I don't like the 240 series... it's wasn't up for most game (except you use it on low resolution) and this one needs double pci-e to install the card.....??
Yop my gpu for that time been been x1650 512mb
great vid! yea i hate how people would just wanna throw low end cards under tha bus when they can do great with tasks like an XP retro gaming machine
Thank you, I like to see the positives in most parts. There is always something you can use it for.
its surprisingly great card for it price, i use it on my system...
Is a 750ti definitely overkill for XP then?
I still got to test it, but, well, no such thing as overkill?
oh no i kept reading the title as r9 270
F.E.A.R. Is only 45 fps? That's strange! I clearly remember having constant 60 fps using Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 1Gb. Intel Core 2 Duo E8400/4Gb DDR2/Sapphire Radeon HD 5770/Creative X-FI Xtreme Gamer. I very love this game, so I completed it many times (actually on every PC rig which I had). Maybe I'm wrong about constant 60 fps with Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 with all ultra and 1920x1080, but I have a clear remembers of that. Tomorrow I will get this PC from the closet and will run a game to make sure. After that I'll write fps of that.
I'm not sure if I put it in the graph, but I had soft shadows enabled. It is much more demanding.
I haven't done extremely extensive benching or testing here, but on my old GTX 750 and the final driver revision, it couldn't quite handle Mass Effect maxed out, 1600x1200, no AA--it would net about 45 fps average. FEAR does about the same with similar settings on a OC'd GT 740 with every advanced option enabled, Hitman: Blood Money almost breaks 60 fps, but struggles in spots, and Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory nets about 45 fps average as well. This performance is about what I get when tested under Windows 8.1 as well, so I don't think it's a misconfiguration in XP.
HAHA, "SHOTS FIRED" that's great.... If you're running Windows XP, and the system has 4 GB of RAM and the video card has 4GB of RAM how much of the system memory is actually usable and how much of the VRAM is usable? Or do you use Windows XP x64??? Thanks
Enough to run Crysis? I don't get the question.
plz make video on r9 280x and shows the fps on triple a titles games....
Plz send me that card...
I had the same driver problem with my hd 4650 agp card ...
Yea got to find a more permanent fix. I don't remember having these issues 2 or so years ago.
As Windows XP is limited to addressing 4GB of memory, I wonder how it addresses memory on this test. My old XP the with 4GB of ram and a 512MB video card would only address 3.5GB system memory in XP back in the late 2000s.
Good question, all I know is that it works just fine :D But yea, maybe some motherboards will have issues. When the GPU has more memory than the system...
It has to do with the memory addressing. 32bit CPUs by nature of their architecture only have addresses for 4GB, so operating systems written in 32bit also have the limitation. Windows would allocate it's addresses in a certain way, but you couldn't have all 4GB running on the card, because then windows wouldn't be able to talk to the system memory, as it wouldn't have addresses of the GPU had consumed them all for its memory.
I have a couple of athlon x4s with older motherboard that should be windows XP compatible. I might try it with one of my cards and see how it goes.
what would be a nvidia equivalent to this card? (with windows xp support)
Around a GT 630 or 640 maybe?
thanks!
45 fps on fear ha thats discraceful for a game more than a decade ago Have you got soft shadwos enabled i get 250fps on fear at 4k gtx 970
I will review a faster Radeon card soon, also from Yeston, similar price and ready to buy new :D
Well, a GTX 970 is 800% faster than an R7 240 so 🤷🏻♂️
Meh my window a xp PC's are still running agp. Was hoping for a 4gb agp win xp card
But why?
I NEED MORE VRAM
MOOOOOOORRRRRREE
have the Rapphire Radeon R7 260X 2gb OC Version
GTX 750 or 750 Ti also works in XP. And those are way faster and cost less than 80 dollars used. And the drivers are easier to install
My R7 240 uses DDR3 memory, are you sure that yours uses GDDR5?
Yup this one is a bit special.
yass! a amd gpu. awesome to see it
Yea I want to do more stuff with AMD. Got another card incoming, a little bit more modern :D Guess what it is?
PhilsComputerLab a RX 460
I'm the same person that suggested it And you said that you'll be buying a chinese one
Captainshovel lol OK. Yea it's the 560D.
HE PUT THE GOD DAMN GRAPHICS CARD IN SOME PANTS FOR THE GOD DAMN THYMBNAIL THUS IS THE CONTENT I CAME HERE FOR. SORRY FOR CAPS MY KEYBOARD IS BROKEN AND I DON'T WANT TO HOLD SHIFT
Welcome to my world and why i hate AMD drivers so much. EVERYTHING installs, but not the ACTUAL DRIVER
had more problems with nvidia where it didnt even detected the card even while windows showd it already. both nvidia and amd do have their problems though. with newer drivers this didnt happen anymore.