How to capture DV & HDV video tapes on a Windows 11 PC using FireWire to Thunderbolt 3/USB-C
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- In this video I show the best way to capture your old mini DV camcorder tapes using a PC running the latest version of Windows 11 (22H2) using the adapters required to go from FireWire (i.Link, IEEE 1394, etc) to Thunderbolt 3 or (USB-C plug). Below are time stamps and links to the hardware and software you'll need.
Note if you have a brand new computer with an Intel 10th gen processor or newer or have Thunderbolt 4, please see my updated video here: • How to use legacy Fire...
Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:26 - Hardware setup
2:10 - Software setup
5:01 - Capture procedure - DV
5:56 - Capture procedure - HDV
6:27 - Optional final steps
6:42 - Problem troubleshooting
7:27 - Wrap up
7:55 - End
Links to the items mentioned in the video:
Apple Thunderbolt 3 and 4 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 1 and 2 Adapter:
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Apple Thunderbolt 1 and 2 to FireWire 800 adapter: (if unavailable, watch • How to use FireWire WI... for more info)
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FireWire 800 to 400 mini plug cable:
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FireWire 400 to 800 cable:
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FireWire 400 to 800 adapter:
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FireWire 400 mini to 400 mini cable:
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FireWire 400 mini to 400 full size adapter:
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Have a desktop with a PCI/PCIe card slot, or a laptop with a ExpressCard/PCMCIA card slot:
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Laptops with Thunderbolt/FireWire:
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Software Mentioned:
WinDV: www.videohelp.com/software/WinDV
HDV Split: www.videohelp.com/software/HD...
K-Lite Codec Pack Basic: codecguide.com/download_k-lit...
Handbreak: handbrake.fr/
Other videos that may help you:
How to connect a FireWire Audio Interface to a Mac or PC with Thunderbolt 3/USB-C
• How to connect a FireW...
How to connect FireWire devices into new Mac's with Thunderbolt 3/USB-C
• How to connect FireWir...
How to connect FireWire devices to a new M1 Mac with Apple Silicon
• How to connect FireWir...
How to use legacy FireWire and Thunderbolt devices on new PC's with Thunderbolt 4
• How to use legacy Fire...
Troubleshooting
If you are having issues with your PC connecting to the device, there are a few things you can try:
1. Ensure your PC has a Thunderbolt port (not just a USB-C/charging port). Visit the support page of your computer (support.dell.com, support.lenovo.com, etc) and verify that your drivers are up to date. Sometimes the Thunderbolt driver is separate and needs to be installed manually. Also check that your BIOS is up to date. If you're getting blue screens when you plug in, this is the solution.
2. Check the settings in your BIOS as there may be a setting in there to allow data over the Thunderbolt port. Here is an example link that shows the settings: www.dell.com/support/article/... There is also usually an app within Windows called the "Thunderbolt(TM) Software " and make sure it is set to "Always Allow" like this: www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-...
3. If your camcorder still does not communicate, then you may need to install a driver, although this is extremely rare. Here is a good webpage that may help you troubleshoot FireWire specific drivers: www.studio1productions.com/Ar... Additionally if you installed a special FireWire driver you may want to uninstall it and try the built in Windows driver as that may be all you need. You can also try installing a legacy FireWire driver by following these directions: www.startech.com/en-us/faq/fi...
4. Here is a good guide from Sony which has a few other troubleshooting steps: www.sony.co.uk/electronics/su... - Наука та технологія
Update: if you have a brand new computer with an Intel 10th gen processor or newer or have Thunderbolt 4, please see my updated video here: ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html and in case you missed the video description, here are the links to what you'll need:
Apple Thunderbolt 3 and 4 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 1 and 2 Adapter: amzn.to/3SqHGPb
Apple Thunderbolt 1 and 2 to FireWire 800 adapter: amzn.to/3UyFYwY
FireWire 800 to 400 mini plug cable: amzn.to/3xMclOZ
FireWire 400 to 800 cable: amzn.to/3xKbazE
FireWire 400 to 800 adapter: amzn.to/3xLlw2i
FireWire 400 mini to 400 mini cable: amzn.to/3LCxAIF
FireWire 400 mini to 400 full size adapter: amzn.to/3LxJgg1
Have a desktop with a PCI/PCIe card slot, or a laptop with a ExpressCard/PCMCIA card slot: amzn.to/3BAf5A5
Laptops with Thunderbolt/FireWire: amzn.to/3dBGXfo
Other items I recommend: www.amazon.com/shop/scottschramm
Software Mentioned:
WinDV: www.videohelp.com/software/WinDV
HDV Split: www.videohelp.com/software/HDVSplit
K-Lite Codec Pack Basic: codecguide.com/download_k-lite_codec_pack_basic.htm
Handbreak: handbrake.fr/
Other videos that may help you:
How to connect a FireWire Audio Interface to a Mac or PC with Thunderbolt 3/USB-C: ua-cam.com/video/0EhzlqH9fMo/v-deo.html
How to connect FireWire devices into new Mac's with Thunderbolt 3/USB-C: ua-cam.com/video/UW2Bbn_OjNA/v-deo.html
How to connect FireWire devices to a new M1 Mac with Apple Silicon: ua-cam.com/video/x5ISyI3VcWo/v-deo.html
How to use legacy FireWire and Thunderbolt devices on new PC's with Thunderbolt 4: ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html
Troubleshooting
If you are having issues with your PC connecting to the device, there are a few things you can try:
1. Ensure your PC has a Thunderbolt port (not just a USB-C/charging port). Visit the support page of your computer (support.dell.com, support.lenovo.com, etc) and verify that your drivers are up to date. Sometimes the Thunderbolt driver is separate and needs to be installed manually. Also check that your BIOS is up to date. If you're getting blue screens when you plug in, this is the solution.
2. Check the settings in your BIOS as there may be a setting in there to allow data over the Thunderbolt port. Here is an example link that shows the settings: www.dell.com/support/article/en-us/sln305418/restructuring-of-usb-and-thunderbolt-settings-on-new-bios-version?lang=en There is also usually an app within Windows called the "Thunderbolt(TM) Software " and make sure it is set to "Always Allow" like this: www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-3-devices-in-windows-10-platform/
3. If your camcorder still does not communicate, then you may need to install a driver, although this is extremely rare. Here is a good webpage that may help you troubleshoot FireWire specific drivers: www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Firewire-1.htm Additionally if you installed a special FireWire driver you may want to uninstall it and try the built in Windows driver as that may be all you need. You can also try installing a legacy FireWire driver by following these directions: www.startech.com/en-us/faq/firewire-cards-windows-legacy-driver-swap
4. Here is a good guide from Sony which has a few other troubleshooting steps: www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/camcorders-tape-camcorders/dcr-hc44e/articles/00235677
I have 100 old tapes I needed to capture, some of which are DV and some HDV. I thought I was out of luck until I found your video, which pulled it all together for me. Thanks so much!
Hi - I assume your not using a 12th Gen Cpu or windows 11 pro. I have at least 100 various tapes. hi-8 & hdv & a lot of mini DV tapes converted from the old standard 8 and super 8 cine film. Hence my spanking brand new pc with 14tb Hard drives on the bench doing nothing. If I dont sort this out soon will have to buy a secong hand win 7 or so PC. just to import AVI files
Thanks in advance for any info waht you did or used. gpop
Thank you for taking the time to make this video, it's really helped out a lot!
Thank you for making this, I can now restore my family videos. I had a faulty 1394 firewire cable, but knowing what programs to run and how to connect to the computer helped alot.
Very clear and concise. Good job.
What a brilliant and helpful man and video. 10/10 for thoroughness! A joy to watch. First class assistance, thank you.
Wow, such a perfectly executed video tutorial. Now I'll be able to get those videos off my Sony DV tapes. Subbed and liked...
Everything worked exactly as described. I only needed to add an IEEE 1394 Controller driver to my LG laptop. Excellent!!!
Greg - I have an LG laptop. Do you have Windows 11? Which driver did you install and how did you do it?
This process worked perfectly, thanks for the great documentation.
Could you share what kind of laptop you were using?
Amazing video!!! Finally got my firewire card installed to capture video from my old Vixia HV40 Camcorder, intending to capture using Adobe Premiere 2024, only to discover they have deleted all capturing from the program! Adobe help was no help. Searched youtube and google a lot before finding this video. Having the firewire card I was able to skip through all of those wire connections. HV Split 0.77 Beta worked great. The video was still too large at that point for Premiere Pro to do anything with. Ran it through Handbrake 1.7.3 and it compressed it way down. Now it imported and worked in Premiere Pro just fine, but there was no longer any point to that, lol. Awesome stuff!
Great video Scott, well covered, thank you.
You are VERY thorough! You're easy to understand; you annunciate your words; you are an excellent teacher, and watching your video did not feel like a chore. Thanks for such a well thought-out tutorial. Also, thank you for going the extra mile by providing all of the info that may be needed if things don't go as planned with installation of software. That was very thoughtful of you.
I appreciate your kind words! Happy to help!
Thank you very much for this!
Hi Scott! Good news and an update on getting WinDV to work on a Dell Laptop (G7700) running Windows 11, i7 CPU. It would not work using the Gen 3 Thunderbolt port on the laptop, so I purchased the DELL Thunderbolt Docking Station model WD22TB4. I connected the Apple Dongles directly into the new Docking Station TB port, connected the TB Docking station to the TB port on the laptop and gave it a try. IT WORKED! I am now transferring mini tapes as I author this update. I hope this helps others. The laptop is running Intel generation 10 CPU. Next, I am going to see if I can get it to work on my new ASUS Z690 Motherboard desktop running Intel i7 generation 12 CPU.
Thanks for the update. This confirms the process I documented in my newer video for 10th and 11th gen is working. I expect if you try the same with your 12th gen, it will not work.
Update Scott! I decided to try an old DELL XPS i5 desktop that I upgraded the OS from Win 7 to 10. I added a firewire port expansion card and everything worked using Firewire cable from Sony 4 pin to Firewire expansion card. I successfully used the Sony DV camera and WinDv program with zero issues. Slow, very slow for a 1 hour tape, but that was to be expected using this method. I am going to try my newer win 11 Dell Laptop as soon as the TB DS arrives this Thursday, I will let you know how it works.
Awesome, I'm glad you finally got a working solution! Thanks for sharing!
Just to add, the process works the same for Hi8 tapes. Despite the name, WinDV has no issues with Hi8.
THANK YOU A LOT
I have been having trouble getting hdvsplit.exe working on my win10 laptop via firewire to my Sony HDV camcorder, and thanks to your video, I realized that I didn't have k-lite on it. I usually have that installed on my other machines, but until now, i never realized that hdvsplit.exe requires it to "See" the camera! thank you!
Scott, I think my problem may be with something that is not showing up in the WinDV program. I have deleted the original WinDV program from downloads and did a NEW download of Peter's WinDV 1,2,3 Zip. I unzipped the program, hit OPEN, and the program screen opens. I have nothing showing in Capt.file: box, so I typed in C:\users\User\Desktop\DVCapture. BUT, I never get the second screen to pop up which says SAVE AS, so the program may not be starting without that input???? Thoughts?
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the contribution!
Thank you so much. I have a Dell PC with Thunderbolt 3 and Windows 10. In my case i needed to install a legacy FireWire driver in order to work. Maybe it will help somebody.
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I stumbled upon your older video on alternative ears tips for the AirPods Pro 1st generation and was wondering if they will fit the 2nd generation Air Pods Pro?
I am working on a video right now talking about ear tips for the new AirPods Pro 2nd gen. The good news is anything for the first gen should fit the second gen just fine.
@@ScottSchramm dam now I gotta wait for this video haha
Which one's should I get right now in the meantime?
Thank you, the cable stuff I found really helpful. Any recommendations for paid-for software for those of us that are security paranoid? I was looking at Pinnacle Studio and I have an old 10.5 version, but it's unclear if this is supported in newer versions. I heard Adobe Premiere supports importing as well, but that's an arm and a leg. It's the K-Lite codecs making me nervous. Thanks again for a great video. UA-cam content creators always amaze me!
I don't have experience with paid video editors but I would imagine that most of them would work for editing MPEG2. Most won't support capturing video from tape though so you will still need WinDV or HDV Split for that. Just do the capture, and then you can import them into your movie editor and they should play there. You could also immediately convert them to MP4 using Handbreak or another format converter.
@@ScottSchramm yes, makes sense. It would probably be too risky to trans-code on the fly.
All, I did the trial for Pinnacle Studio 26 (free for 15 days) and it has a nice interface to import. My camera is a Canon MiniDV device. Their specs claim "DV" and "HDV". I can't claim compatibility for other devices or the higher definition format, but I have no reason others couldn't succeed. In my case this is the way I'm going for software since it has some additional features including the ability to segment output MPEG2 clips if there's enough of a gap and the remote controls work for my camera where WinDV's didn't. Also, since I have other family members using this, I wanted something that had decent support, updates and this didn't require me to install K-LITE or other codecs which had me a bit concerned. I know not everyone has money to fling around, but this seems to work for me and gives other advanced video editing features without having to pay for Adobe Premiere. I haven't tried re-importing the MPEG2 to see how it handles MP4, but I can confirm Handbrake (recommended by the author for this video) re-encoded it nicely. If this sounds like an ad, it's not. I don't work for Pinnacle, Corel and I don't work in this space. I'm just really happy with what I tried (at least so far) and passing it along in case others are interested in a similar software.
@@briankneebone9543 Glad you found something that meets your needs.
Hi Scott, thank you for the information and the helpful videos. I browsed through the previous comments and didn't find the question I had. Is it possible to go from Thunderbolt to HDMI?
I have a Dell laptop that only has USB or HDMI.
I tried to use a 2019 Mac Book Pro running Ventura 13.6.3 with the Intel chip and it didn't recognize the Sony DCR TRV525. It recognized the Thunderbolt 2-3 and the Thunderbolt to Firewire but not the Sony camcorder or the mini DV to Firewire. Are you aware of any problems with this Mac trying to transfer videos?
Thank you very much.
You can't go Thunderbolt to HDMI for this use case. For your Mac, follow this video: ua-cam.com/video/P5PdxKTmL0I/v-deo.html
Hi Scott, thanks a lot for this video, it did the trick for me but I have weird recurring issue: on several of the miniDV tapes I'm transferring, the first captured video clip has no audio, even though I can clearly heard sound when it's playing on the camcorder as it is being read. If I have several different clips on the tape, all the next ones have audio and no issue, but the first one does not. I'm not sure if it happens for all the tapes, as I did not check the first few tapes I worked on. Any ideas ? By the way, I found that in WinDV, if you check the box left to the Capture button, the camcorder will automatically start when you click the button. Noe need to lauch the tape playback manually. Thanks again,
Hmm I have not heard of that issue before. The only workaround I can think of is to record a quick 5 second clip of something new at the start of the tape, and then maybe the audio will work on the original first clip since it would be now be the second clip. Of course you will loose that first few seconds as it will have overwritten the tape, but at least you have will sound for the rest of the clip
Scott-thanks for the video. My Windows laptop has a USB C but I do not think its a thunderbolt. It has a lightning symbol but looks more like the charging symbol. Is there a way to go from my mini dv camera to USB-C? I know you can do it analog (component or composite) but I want to try and keep the higher quality video. Thanks!
It needs to be thunderbolt or it won’t work.
Handbrake is good, but seems it will only convert your digital .avi to .mp4 after you've already captured. Do you know a way to capture firewire 1394 directly into .mp4 instead of .avi?
There is no way to capture it directly to MP4 because it requires transcoding and no software does that in real time. Instead you are better off capturing everything and then batch converting it all at once. If you have a lot and your PC isn’t very fast you can queue it up for overnight.
Hi Scott. I've tried both WinDV and HDV Split and both say "Camera is not detected/connected". Before I go out and buy more cables in case these ones are bunk, are there any software issues I can troubleshoot? I'm running Windows 11 Home. Thanks!
What processor does your computer have? There seems to be a known issue with 12th gen Intel processors.
Here is an updated video: ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html
Recently purchased new windows laptop as recommended that needed intel core i7, 1TB etc. It does not have thunderbolt. Is there a better way of capturing video from my Panasonic NV-GS15 camcorder rather than clear click video2digital converter 2.0. It will then be edited either capcut or cliphamp or if you know better?
You can use a device like that but you won’t get the full quality.
Many thank for the video, my problem is that I don't have a Thunder Bolt Port on my computer, is there another way to do this operation.
You'll need a different laptop, or a desktop where you can install a PCIe card.
Hi Scott, thanks for the very clear Video. I have a Lenovo Laptop V15 G2 ALC (Windows 11) which has a USB C port. I am trying to download Video from a SonyTRV DC355E which has a DV out port, I am using the exact Dongle and Cable as shown in the video. No matter what I do I cannot get WinDV to see the Camera. Have youi any suggestions? I would be most grateful Best Regards, Peter Webb
It doesn’t work with with USB-C, you need Thunderbolt.
Scott - just discovered and played your video. Very helpful. I have an old Canon ZR200 with a video on minitape I want to transfer to my Dell XPS 13 9370. But I just discovered the Apple thunderbolt cables will not work with my Dell laptop. Since your latest update is about 9 months ago - any additional updates, i.e. other cables that will work with nonApple devices?
Nope, unfortunately I haven’t found any workarounds for newer generation laptops. I’m working on a new video now about how to find and use old systems.
thank you, you reply is much appreciated. I think what I may do is seek out a service. I discovered that I had a video recorded with my mom and self on it - she passed away some years ago - and I want to preserve it. A service may be the easiest for me at this point. thanks again, Marlene @@ScottSchramm
Hi Scott If your laptop (PC) don't have Thunderbolt, and only USB-C, is it still possible to transfer data from the camera to the laptop? Can a regular USB-C transfer data in both directions? I was reading the manual on HP elitebook 735g6 and I couldn't find any information if the USB-C connector also works in both direction, as an input device of data? Thanks for a great video.
This process will NOT work with USB-C, it needs to be Thunderbolt.
@@ScottSchramm Thanks for replying! Is there any other solution since iI don't have a Thunderbolt?
I also found an old pc laptop with MS Vista that has a Firewire 1394. If the laptop stiil works can I then transfer direct from the Canon mv830i to the 1394 firewall on my old laptop pc?
@@privat986 Yes, use the old laptop. You'll only need a 4 pin to 4 pin or 4 pin to 6 pin FireWire cable. Links in my video description.
I am having trouble copying from my Panasonic NV-GS15 camcorder to my laptop. The recordings were recorded in HD in 2007 when copying using clear click video2dgital to USB. recordings are so poor - wanted to edit and view them on bit screen tv for elderly parents 😢. Any suggestions
Don't use "clear click video2digital to USB" and follow the process in this video to transfer the video using FireWire and HDVsplit
Do you know if this will also work to export Digital-8 viideo via the DV link? I bought one of the last Sony Digital8 cameras that has a DV 1394 mini output. Model number DCR-TRV480E.
Thank you for the video, this is just what I was looking for, thank you for taking the time to do such a simple to follow breakdown.
Yes, this same process will work with Digital 8. But not all Hi8 will support it because Hi8 is analog. Most Digital 8 is backwards compatible so you should be good.
@@ScottSchramm thank you for the reply, i'm going to give it a test. I'm curious if the camera I own converts video8 from analog to digital as part of the process. I'll give it a punt. I also bought an Elgato to, so i'm covered both ways (that is if I can get the Elgato to work on Wimdows 11. I hear its hit and miss.) i'll let you know the outcome.
This information has been great! I also have a HP Spectre x360 and VX2000 (along with a Hi8 device), but when I connect the Thunderbolt adapters...as soon as the Thunderbolt to Firewire one connects to the Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter, a BSOD occurs with a "tbtbusdrv.sys" system thread not handled error. All my drivers are up-to-date but now I'm stuck. Any suggestions? Thunderbolt software doesn't show first adapter is connected either. Thanks!
Try uninstalling the Thunderbolt/FireWire drivers or downgrading to a previous version. HP is responsible for providing a version of the driver that works with their systems.
@@ScottSchramm One more question if I may...when connecting the Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter am I supposed to see it being recognized by Windows 11? As of now...when I connect it, I don't see anything that indicates it's being recognized. I'm wondering since I bought an open-box adapter, if that may be the culprit.
@@djcentinno I'm 99% sure that only the Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter will show up in Device Manager and the Thunderbolt 3 to 2 does not show up.
Good..what is the model of Lenovo thinkpad that you use in this video?..Many thanks
T490 - it's visible on the bottom right corner of the screen.
Hello! Love your video, but my computer does not have a thunderbolt port. :( is there another way I can do this without the videocapture device? Or do you have another video you could recommend to me that could help me? I'm afraid I'm a little lost
I do have a USB C port, is there any way I could still digitize my videos?
There is no other way. You need a laptop with Thunderbolt or a desktop with an open PCIe card slot. Also watch the end of my latest video:
ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html
@ScottSchramm Using an 8th Gen Win 11 laptop with Thunderbolt 3, the Thundebolt app detects the Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter but WinDV says "No Device Found". Looking at Device Manager I do not see an IEEE Device. The camera is a Canon ZR200. Do I need to install Firewire drivers separately?
You do not need to install any drivers for FireWire, they are built into Windows. If nothing comes up in the IEEE section, that means it's not detecting the camcorder. But since you see Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter, then we know those adapters work. That means the problem is either the FireWire cable or the camcorder.
@@ScottSchramm figured it out, the camcorder has to be in playback mode for windows to detect and add IEEE1394 Host Contorller
been looking at cap cards in all flavors, but roundabout reviews and abit lost. noticed camera has a digital output thingy, any way to do it direct to usb 3? surely thats enough bandwith?
It's not about bandwidth, the two formats are incompatible which each other. You with need Thunderbolt or a desktop with a PCIe card slot. Check out my latest video here: ua-cam.com/video/LXXSZdOZb-k/v-deo.html
my laptop has usb c port but it doesn’t have the thunderbolt sign, will it still work ? if not what can i use to get it in the right plug in ?
It won't work. You need Thunderbolt. There is no other way.
I have a hp z440 and I installed a 1343b card. I use windows 10 and it sees my vixia hv40 but there are no drivers. My laptop has usb3 and usb/c and I upgraded to win11. Its a 8th gen i7 hp envy . Should I install Virtual Machine and add win7 to see my camera or do you know of other options?
You shouldn't need to install any special drivers. Check device manager. It also shouldn't be an OS issue, so I wouldn't bother installing a VM because passing though the connection is can be an issue on it's own.
@@ScottSchramm It saw the device but would not install drivers. I installed a driver program and it worked. Now I can capture in premiere pro.
@@ScottSchramm it is called Snappy Driver Installer. It did not install a hv40 driver but a canon dv camera driver. Device manager would not find anything nor windows installer. I even looked on the drive I used to use that it worked on(win 7 64b). Did not find anything. So now I am good. There is no preview in the capture windows in HDV but there is in DV mode. Still I can view the lcd screen. Eventually Win 10 will not be supported and I will have to get a system with win11. I have the hv40 for HDV and the Panasonic dv2000 vtr forr DV as a back up to save my camera hours.
Is it possible to convert from the Thunderbolt to USB and then plug it into the computer if I don't have a Thunderbolt port? Would it work?
That won’t work
for the thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adapter all I can find online is ones that say monitor only? would that be ok to use?
No that won't work. You need to use the Apple one I have linked in my video description.
Could you please help me? I have a MSI GT72 6QD with everything updated and installed as per your guides but I can´t still see it in either WinDV or HDVSplit. 1394_OHCI_LegacyDriver installed... I don´t know what else to do... I followed all your troubleshooting but still nothing. This laptop has Thunderbol 3.
Your laptop does have Thunderbolt 3, and your processor is Intel 6th gen with is good. My guess is the issue with permissions or your drivers. Look for the Intel Thunderbolt app and make sure the permissions are to set to allow the connection. You may also need to check in the bios. If that is all good then try uninstalling the legacy driver, reboot, and and let Windows install its own built in driver. One of those things should fix it.
Hi my friend, your video was very helpful, I have a focusrite pro 14, but I have not been able to connect my interface doing everything you show in the video, I have added an adapter from usb 3.0 to type c port since my laptop does not come with type c port, but nothing works. when I connect everything I get a message that says the following. "the functionality of the thunderbolt device may be limited". can you help me?
Your message doesn’t make sense. The interface you have uses FireWire and you mentioned your laptop doesn’t have USB-C but you got an error message about the thunderbolt being limited, even though thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C plug. And you said convert it to USB 3.0 which isn’t possible so either you are mixing up the ports or your laptop isn’t supported.
@@ScottSchramm yes i use this Syntech USB C Female to USB Male Adapter Pack of 3 [Aluminum Shell, High Stability] Type C Charger Cable Power Converter
@@christianangulo3440 That isn’t going to work. Thunderbolt and USB-C are backwards compatible with USB-A devices but the adapters you bought will not make Thunderbolt work with USB-A. There are ZERO possible ways to make Thunderbolt or FireWire work with a USB-A port.
Does it work on the new iPad Pro? Since it has Thuderbolt port and maybe I can capture the video with iMovie?
I tried it on a 12.9” Pro with Thunderbolt and unfortunately it did not work.
Thank you for giving me hope, but I haven’t been able to get this to work. I have an LG gram with Windows 11, Thunderbolt 4 and a Panasonic NV-GS300 mini DV recorder. I bought the cables. I followed your process. I did wonder if I just need an IEEE 1394 controller driver?
Is your processor an Intel 12th gen? There was someone else here in the comments (or maybe on one of my other videos) that reported they also could not get it to work with their 12th gen system and apparently they did research and found it wasn't compatible. I haven't been able to find any evidence of this, but I am tying to get my hands on one of these systems to see if I can validate and figure out the issue.
@@ScottSchramm Thanks for replying. Yes, I have just checked. My system has an Intel 12th gen processor.
Here is an updated video about 12th gen: ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html
Are you able to help me out? i have a dell xps 15 9500 operating with i7 10th gen. im unsure if this method will work for me if i dont have a firewire drive? When i go into device manager I dont see it
You won’t see FireWire listed in device manager until you have the adapters connected and a FireWire deceive plugged into it.
@@ScottSchramm thanks for your reply. I plugged in both adapters with firewire 800 to 400 cable that connects to my sony handycam station but my dell is not not recognising the camera when i try capture on the windv software? how do i know if my laptop has a firewire card and what do i need to do to get this to work? thank you
@@a1tomy I just noticed you said you have a 10th gen, please watch this updated video:
ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html
Hi! Thanks for sharing this info! I decided to buy a new windows thunderbolt powered laptop after watching your videos, since I have a lot of firewire800 devices I still use and didn't want to buy a mac computer. I've been trying to follow your instructions in a 2022 dell xps laptop to connect some firewire 800 audio devices, but simply connecting the thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adapter shows a problem in device manager (tried every combination of thunderbolt settings in the BIOS already). Thunderbolt control center doesn't seem to be included in the software shipped with the laptop, and trying to install a copy from Intel''s website fails with a cryptic "Error 0x80070643: Failed to install MSI package" in the install logs. I've read some windows updates have broken thunderbolt for some people, so I'm curious if this setup is still working for you (are your ports thunderbolt4/USB4?).
Thanks!
What generation of processor does your laptop have? There seems to be an issue with 12th gen not working.
@@ScottSchramm yep, 12th generation... 😭
@@carlosruiz5987 That's the issue then. I'm trying to find a workaround for those processors but no luck yet. Subscribe and ring the bell if you want to be notified when I release an updated video!
Here is an updated video about 12th gen: ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html
You have put together a set of incredible and thoroughly thought out videos on this topic that I subscribed to your channel. Unfortunately so far it hasn't worked with my very new laptop running Windows 11 and using 13th generation Intel chip which you mentioned in a previous video I need 11th generation or less. I have two older laptops running Windows 7 Professional (but these don't need the special cables. They both accept firewire connections). So my question if you can help me answer it is. How can I capture uncompressed AVI using firewire? I have searched high and low to no avail. I'm in the business of media conversion and I have one client that will give me her business (and it's a very good paying job) if I can capture her videos to uncompressed AVI for preservation purposes. She originally wanted me to capture using the FFV1 codec with a Matroska (MKV) container but could not find any help on that topic but she would settle for uncompressed AVI. Please help!!! I hate to lose this job. Thanks in advance.
The process I show using WinDV or HDVSplit captures lossless. You can then use handbreak, FFmpeg, etc to convert to AVI if thats the format you need.
As soon as I plug the thunderbolt into my computer with the camera connected and turned on my laptop goes into a reboot loop until I unplug the camera. I checked all of the troubleshooting options you showed with no success. Any tips on what to try next are greatly appreciated!
That’s a driver issue.
@@ScottSchramm any pointers on what driver I haven't been able to find any fixes that worked for the drivers
@@turtlewav Either update the driver with whatever the manufacture has or uninstall it and revert back to the default drivers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your mini dv camera is the Canon Vivia HV40 correct? For those who have this camera it has an HDMI port. You could save yourself the time and captured video through there and save time and money with all the extra steps you outlined. But for those who don't have this camera, the steps you outlined are good.
Yes if the camera has HDMI, you can get a USB capture device for that HDMI connection but it's best to capture the raw data from the tape in original quality rather then capturing the playback of the video stream. The capture card will either be capturing at a higher bitrate then the video was recording in (wasting space) or most likely a lower bitrate which will cause a reduction in quality.
@@ScottSchramm You are correct in that method. I was thinking using my elgato 4k capture card but not everyone has a capture card. So your right. I'm glad someone is showing the correct way, I was pulling out my hair with other content creators telling people to use external RCA capture cards, specifically the one you X'd out in your video.
Hey! Is there any similar method without Thunderbolt 3, so with just a USB-C on my mainboard?
No, but watch this: ua-cam.com/video/LXXSZdOZb-k/v-deo.html
You are correct Scott regarding my Sony Camera, it is a Handicam, digital not HD as the manual shows because the manual covers 3 models and my model is NOT an HD. So, I do have the WinDV software loaded on the Laptop because as you stated the 12th gen Intel on my new Desktop will not work. On the Laptop the Camera is seen in Device manager and says it is working OK, the software program opens OK, in the lower box it says it is capturing, but it is not. The screen in WinDV is black and the counter is not moving. I am so close to this working but cannot find the problem. Any ideas Scott?
I have similar problems as has 12th gen cpu. Gone round in circles for months- see on the web Studio 1 productions- seems plausible solution- so following that am getting or trying to get a firewire card with the VIA chipset VT6315 not the Ti chipset. ? LinksTec 4 Port not cheap. Only need 1 port to get DV AVI onto PC. GPOP
@@gpop9878 My IEEE firewire expansion card has the TI chipset, it worked fine for me.
@@graywolf1911Many thanks for quick reply. Nice to know it works on Windows 11 with card having Ti chipset I assume without any problems ie dropped frames etc. So going back to Win-DV just for the Hi-8 video tapes. Ive tried HDV split for the hdv video tapes. Win-DV comes with only a basic note with no actual instructions but obviously I selected the Type 2 setting for audio also. So not messed with other settings as assume they are all default although do not want tape split. Just a full 1:1 copy of the tape to the pc hard drive for editing much later. I do not think this is anything to do with the problem but many have reported the many are unable to update windows 11 to 22H2 ive tried twice. Then its gone not offered again untill some weeks later. Still waiting for it to appear where ive been told to unplug all printers scanners etc. ? Also its been mentioned windows does not like it during the update if you have some Apps disabled ?. ie Cortana, Edge, xbox etc seems suspicious to me. If true would be sort of be blackmail to enable them. Any way just thought it might be applicable. What settings and or order did you do to get import of AVI files to the SSD withWin-dv which I installed first- then connected the firewire cable only using the 400 port. ( some say dont use 800) My Davice manager : IEEE1394 host controllers: shows :Texas instruments 1394 OCHI Compliant Host Controller.
Updating driver always states best driver installed. If choosing Let me pick from a list .I see the texas controller and just 1394 OHCI Compliant Host controller.
Both are digitally signed. Is there a better driver specifically for the Ti chipset. So now holding off buying a LinkTek Via chipset firewire card if there is a possibility my Ti card will work which was not cheap.
Sorry this is a BIT LONG.
gpop
Hi Do I have to have thunderbolt connection? or will this work with usb3?
You need Thunderbolt. It will not work with any USB
Is that a card connection I can install on a pc with Windows 11? I appreciate your help with these VHS-c transfer to my pc!@@ScottSchramm
Hi Scott - Great tutorial video. I just bought the cables in your links that I need to download HDV from a Canon HV30 camcorder that looks almost identical to yours in the video. I am waiting on the cables to arrive but thought that I would install the required software to be ready to go when the cables arrive. When I tried to run Handbrake, a pop up told me that I need ".NET Desktop Runtime" to run the application. Is that expected? I am running Windows 11 Pro. Would appreciate your opinion on that pop-up. Thanks.
Never mind - I reread the installation screen for Handbrake and it clearly states the .NET Desktop Runtime requirement. Thanks.
hi did you get it to work - is handbrake better than win-dv /hdv split or stoik. what firewire card do you have ie with Ti schipset or the Via chipset. thanks for any help.
@@gpop9878 I never got this specific setup to work - I went back to my desktop that had an actual video card installed and an older version of Roxio software that allowed me to capture video directly from my Canon HV30. Then just had to transfer video to Handbrake for compression. Handbrake (from what I can see in using it) is only a transcoder to convert video format to MP4. Sorry I cannot help you further. Maybe Scott has some information to share.
@@gregoryfata2463 Thanks for very quick reply. Im lost at moment- Im going to buy another firewire card ( with a via chipset not the Ti chipset) Studio 1 productions recommends but dont think is on y.outub as I found on the web by chance seems very plausible solution. Yes im trying to avoid compression at least till editing stage. Your right I think I used Handrake to convert a video that would not play on PC.
It appears WIN -DV is for the HI-8 Video tapes and HDV-split or STOIK for the HDV video tapes. Wrongly thinking my new Win 11 pro PC exceeding all the requirements would be a breeze. What a potch as have not been able to get device manager to recognise my canon HV 40 or the Sony hi-8 cam
Ive even tried adobe- as Pinnacle not supporting firewire import - nor does adobe it appears but that could be the Ti chipset firewire card which was not cheap. six months and counting.Its lloks like im going to have to find an old pc just to import the avi files. Ridiculous really. Do I blame Intel / microsoft or both.Gpop
What if it's not digital video or hd? Like Hi8 cassettes, analog, does this video still apply?
If the camcorder has FireWire then this video is the best method. But usually analog Hi8 camcorder don’t have FireWire and will only have Yellow/White/Red jacks and in that case you’ll need to use one of those analog capture devices.
Oh okay, like a Canopus ADVC-100. thanks
Hi I am having problems in WinDV. I'm getting Error: device not found. any ideas?
Something wrong with the cables or adapters. Without any details about your setup, I can't help you.
Hi, how capture in sony vegas ?
Sorry, I don't have any experience with Sony Vegas, but I found these directions online:
1. From the File menu, choose Capture Video (or click the Capture Video button on the Project Media window).
2. A dialog is displayed to allow you to choose how you want to capture video.
3. Select the DV radio button if you want to capture DV or Video for Windows clips using the video capture application specified on the Video tab of the Preferences dialog.
4. Select the HDV or SDI radio button if you want to capture SDI/HDV clips using the internal video capture application.
5. If you always capture from the same device, select the Always use the selected method check box, and you won’t be prompted to choose a capture method again. You can change the method later using the Video tab of the Preferences dialog.
6. Click the OK button to start the selected video capture application.
7. Capture your video
8. Click here to learn how to capture DV clips with Sony Video Capture.
9. Click here to learn how to capture HDV clips.
10. Click here to learn how to capture clips from a tape deck via an SDI (serial digital interface) card.
11. When you’re finished capturing, your video is added to the Project Media list.
Ive got Panasonic NV-DV2000 DV PLAYER and Id like to transfer tapes to Imac. But my Imac cant see dv player...why? can you help me please. Thanks
I’ve never tried a deck like that but I would assume it should work the same way as a camcorder. How do you have it connected? What software have you tried?
@@ScottSchramm Hi.Should be the same as a camcorder but my I mac cant see player :( I have try so many times with prope cables. I have used Adobe premier pro 2022, Final Cut Pro and I move.No Luck :(
@@mycomments7764 Try a different computer or try using a regular camcorder.
I’m still confused as to how I get it from FireWire out the camcorder to just a normal usb 3 port?
You can't, it's not possible.
Hi, thanks for sharing this video. Unfrotunately on my pc does not work. I have bought Lenovo Legion 5 with thunderbolt 4, run on windows 11. I would like to connect my interface Audio with firewire plug. I have both adapters, and plugged - Thnuderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 -> Thunderbolt 2 -> Firewire, but windows nothing found. Once connect that only with one adapter Thunderbolt 2 -> Firewire on My Mac it does work. Any idea? shall I install firewire driver for widnows 11 ( there are nothing on the internet).
What generation of processor does your laptop have? There seems to be something different about Intel 12th Gen not supporting legacy Thunderbolt peripherals, so that could be the reason. I am working on a workaround for those and will release another video soon about it.
@@ScottSchramm exact Intel I7 12700H, Lenovo Legion 5 model 15IAH7H. Hopefully you will find the solution.
Hi, hope you're good. Any updates regarding thunderbolt FW connection with 12th gen of Intel?
@@tobiaszkantoryt no updates. I’ve been sick the last few days so I haven’t really been working on it but it’s still on my todo list. So far I haven’t found a solution and it’s possible there may not be a way anymore.
Thank you for the reply. Wish you quickly go back to health. Take care man :)
This is very helpful, thank you but I am struggling to find Thunderbolt to Firewire 800 adapter. They are out of stock everywhere? What's the alternative? Is there any way to get this working? I have thunderbolt 3 on my laptop.
Unfortunately the Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter was recently discontinued. I made an updated video here with a few options: ua-cam.com/video/LXXSZdOZb-k/v-deo.html
Now I understand why it's so difficult to buy, thanks!@@ScottSchramm
Hi@@ScottSchramm I managed to get all the adapters needed, the genuine apple adaptors and iLink cable, however, when I plug everything into my laptop I get the following message: USB or Thunderbolt device functionality might be limited. Do you know how do i solve this problem? So far, I've installed new BIOS and enabled all thunderbolt options in Bios and have updated all the recommended drivers, including audio and graphics. I have Windows 10 and my camcorder is Sony DCR-TRV285E but the laptop doesn't detect it. Any ideas? Any help would be greatly appreciated, so far you've been amazing, thanks!
@@petrakravos8998 what kind of laptop are you using? what software are you using to do the capture? do you see the firewire connection in the device manager?
I am using Dell XPS 15 and the software you recommended - WinDV. How do I see the firewire connection in the device manager? I looked at all the options but I cannot see anything with IEEE 1394 in it. However, I found Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter and it's says it's working properly.@@ScottSchramm
Does this work with connecting the camera via an hdmi cable? It says Camcorder is not recognized or connected
If your camcorder has an HDMI port then you need an HDMI capture card.
@@ScottSchramm thank you. I think the issue was that the hdmi port in my laptop is an out and not in
@@mariomadrid8951 laptops do not have HDMI inputs. Only outputs.
Hey bud out of curiosity, i have a Sony DCR-HC51, will this be compatible on windows, because it is not compatible with Mac IOS.
That is a standard miniDV camcorder and will work with both Windows and Mac.
@@ScottSchramm I am not certain if my computer is compatible with this method, i have a 2022 ASUS TUF DASH F15 laptop that is advertised with a Thunderbolt 4 port, but there are no Thunderbolt drivers for me to download through the support page, yet the same model from 2021 has Thunderbolt drivers, not sure what to do.
@@ViktorOSFM The Thunderbolt driver may be apart of the chipset drivers since they are both Intel. If still not working, contact ASUS for support as they should be able to provide the driver if it did not come pre-installed on the laptop.
@@ScottSchramm curiously, i reverted back to Windows 10 to see if i could get the device to work, however the drivers would appear in System Devices, but nothing would happen upon plugging it in, i've plugged it into multiple other laptops with thunderbolt 3 and the MiniDV camera was picked up just like in your guide! But it does not work on either Windows 10 or Windows 11 on my laptop, so i am now curious, is it thunderbolt 4 laptops that do not pick up the device or if there is a issue with my thunderbolt 4 input. Sorry for the continued questions, just not sure what to try anymore!
Many thanks.
@@ViktorOSFM If you got it to work on other systems then we know your camcorder, cables, and dongles are all good. It sounds like there is something wrong with your new laptop as Thunderbolt 4 is backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 so I would suggest calling ASUS for support.
You should do a video for those who do not have Thunderbolt on their laptops. I haven´t one on my laptop. It is quite rare to have Thunderbolt on your Win laptop.
Thanks for the suggestion. I really don't believe in using the analog outputs and a USB capture card because going from digital to analog and back to digital again is going to result is a poor quality transfer. My recommendation is for people to get the right equipment and do the transfer properly rather then saying "good enough" with other solutions. Thunderbolt has been very common on business-grade laptops since 2016 and is becoming more popular on even consumer grade systems over the last few years. Another option is for people with a desktop, you can buy a PCIe card which is probably the cheaper option and isn't too hard to install.
@@ScottSchramm I have a Firewire card on my desktop, also a Blackmagic PCI card. I´d love to get one for my laptop, but unfortunately, there is no Thunderbolt or Firewire possibility in my laptop even though it is a very good one.
My laptop has a port with a thunderbolt symbol, but the manual calls it 'SuperSpeed' - is this the same?
SuperSpeed refers to USB 3.0 which is not the same as Thunderbolt. The icon you are referencing may be to indicate that the port offers power/charging to other devices. The only other way to confirm is to look in your Device Manager and see if a Thunderbolt controller is listed. If you don't see anything in there that says Thunderbolt, then you don't have Thunderbolt and this process won't work.
Scott, will this work? Have your tried it and have info? 1. Use a Pinnacle 510-USB or 710-USB box (or similar-shaped device) to transfer DV or HDV. These boxes ingest DV through Firewire and convert it to a USB "signal" that WinDV/Scenalyzer or HDVSplit (as applicable) will read as DV. Don't ask me how they do it!
I do recall reading about that Pinnacle device and I believe they are applying some compression in order to make the video work over USB. It's probably doing something similar to how USB webcams work. They are extremely rare at this point so I didn't bother mentioning it in the video.
hello scott when i plug my adapter into my pc it says my device is not recognized, I have a dell g5 Pc and a dvx100 A mini dv
Make sure you are plugging it into a Thunderbolt port and not just USB-C
@@ScottSchramm ok thanks but if I just have a USB-c ss on my pc?
@@Dmiler4380 it won’t work with USB-C. It needs to be Thunderbolt.
If Adobe Premiere is installed, does it need codes?
Adobe no longer supports mini DV capture. But you can use the free software shown in my video and then once it’s captured, import it into Adobe for editing.
the amazon link for the firewire to thunderbold are unavailable. maybe you want to sell yours to me?
I just checked and they are showing in stock for me.
Is it true that HDV Split only plays tapes? I want to record live from the old camera. What will do that?
Correct, I think HDV Split will only capture tapes and not capture live but I believe you can use something like OBS to capture live as it should create a "source" for the camcorder. I remember testing this at one point and the gotcha is there won't be sound. You'll need a 3.5mm AUX/headphone cable to go between the camcorder and the audio input on your PC. You may need a USB sound card like this one in order to capture the sound: amzn.to/46MzNLt
Gadgets like MCE QuickStream or DataVideo DN-200, 300, 400 would record live via firewire, so why not a PC with some software? Which software?
@@ScottSchramm
Sorry I do not have an answer for you.
Great info, thank you! I purchased the cables, but so far no luck. I have an HP EliteBook x360 1040 G8 Notebook (windows 10 21H2). It has two usb-c type ports which show the thunderbolt symbol next to them on side of laptop. The manual describes these as "USB-C 3.1 Gen 1 (Thunderbolt). Device manager shows a Thunderbolt driver 1.41.1325.0 HP Support Software/Drivers site shows (after detecting my PC) available driver: Intel Thunderbolt 3 DCH driver 86 Rev.A. Is it possible to make this work on my PC? Thanks again for the excellent and detailed video!
It sounds like you have everything you need and it should work. Check the troubleshooting section I have in the video description. You may need to find or install the "Intel Thunderbolt app" on your PC to "allow" the connection.
@@ScottSchramm Ok thank you, I was afraid that my laptop may have some older version of Thunderbolt which may not work for this purpose. When I search for apps by keyword "thunderbolt" nothing comes up. So it seems I am missing the app?
@@mrtexikaner Try searching the "Microsoft Store" for it. This link may take you there: apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/thunderbolt-control-center/9N6F0JV38PH1?hl=en-us&gl=us
@@ScottSchramm Thank you, I was able to install the TB software. It shows my two ports but nothing connected. My Sony DCR-TRV38 has some settings in menus which I have played around with, but no luck. WinDV shows "Error: Can't find DV output pin". I plan to check my BIOS settings next.
@@ScottSchramm the bios on my HP is password locked (by my employer) and so I am switching gears to try and use my daughters Apple 2020 MacBook Pro (It has two Thunderbolt / USB 4 ports with support for: Charging, DisplayPort Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40 Gbps). Can you please advise whether the same cable adapters would work? And what software you would recommend for the MacBook (codec, video capture, converting to Mp4, etc)? Thanks again for all the help!
if the system does not have an LSI 1394 controller, then it will not be in the Device Menager. I have a Gigabyte Aorus 15P laptop, with a Thunderbolt™ 4 controller, in the USB Type-C form factor on board.
But, so far I have not been able to tame the Panasonic NV-MX500 miniDV camera to Thunderbolt™ 4. Although I have exactly the same set of cables from Apple as yours, which I bought on Amazon (not on Aliexpress). But, I haven't checked the Bios yet. But Thunderbolt Center doesn’t see anything.
If you have Thunderbolt 4 then your processor might be too new. Check out my newer video here: ua-cam.com/video/u3OIcw4QH1w/v-deo.html
@@ScottSchramm Thanks for the tip. Yes, my laptop has a Gigabyte Aorus 15P, 11th Gen processor. All that remains is to buy a suitable Thunderbolt 3 Docking Station.
Codecs should only be needed for playback or editing/converting, For ingest HDVSplit and Sclive or WinDV don't need any codecs to transfer DV/HDV to hard drive.
You are correct. I recommended installing the codec first so that the video preview function during capture would work.
@@ScottSchramm In your future videos please do refer to Sclive, It has more features and more stable streams compared to WinDV based on my personal experience.
@@Capturing-Memories I'll take a look at it. Thanks.
Does this work with an m1 pro macbook?
Yes! See this video here: ua-cam.com/video/x5ISyI3VcWo/v-deo.html and if you have issues, see this one here: ua-cam.com/video/P5PdxKTmL0I/v-deo.html
Is there a way to do this on mac?
ua-cam.com/video/P5PdxKTmL0I/v-deo.html
is there any adapter from usb-c to thunderbolt😢
No, USB-C will not work, you need Thunderbolt
This video is my call to give up on getting any of my camcorder recordings onto a laptop. I've got a list of reasons as well.
1. I have a Panasonic NV-GS27, which can only have stuff transfered via thunderbolt, and despite having 3 laptops (2 older ones and one new one.) None of them have thunderbolt plug-ins. Any decently working laptop, used or not with the plug-ins I need, already costs over 100€.
2. All the cables and adapters needed are extremely expensive combined. Even if I would buy cheaper ones. Which ads another few hundred bucks.
Heck, I'm a student with no time for an after-school job or anything. And even if I were to save my money, it would take forever. All I wanted to do was to just transfer those few minutes of old recordings onto my laptop, but no. I can't do that.
I just don't wanna lose them or anything, sure; they're on a tape, but I just wanna look at them from a bigger screen, and have them saved on another device. There's recordings on there from when I was only 1 year old, recordings from family gatherings, and recordings with me and my mom. They're sacred memories, that'll be stuck on a tape forever, until one day, many years down the line I might eventually get what I need.
At least I can still view those videos from the camcorder itself.
Your best bet would either be an old desktop and a PCIe card as shown in this video: ua-cam.com/video/LXXSZdOZb-k/v-deo.html
Or send your tapes to a conversion service and have someone else do it.
@ScottSchramm Oh yeah- that's actually a good idea!
I should've thought of that haha! I'll look into the video, and if it's not really my thing I'll probably send off the tapes. Thanks so much!!
Ok. How can I do this at a modern Windows 11 laptop?
This is a modern Windows 11 laptop in the video. Unless you are referring to a system with an Intel 12th gen processor. In that case, there seems to be no solution due to limitations created by Intel. I’m in the process of making a video about that.
I use to be able to do this before my Laptop updated to Windows 11. I used the other video. Anyway, I found this video for Windows 11. However, HDVSplit is not recognizing my device. I'm not sure what else to do. I've updated the sfotware, installed the codec,etc.
What kind of laptop? What kind of camcorder? How are you connecting them?
@@ScottSchramm HP Spectre x360, Windows 11 (22H2)
Sony Digital Handycam DCR-VX2000 NTSC
I connected it exactly like you explained. The only 2 apple products I own are those two apple connectors. It worked a year ago and I think my computer updated since then.
Was that specific enough?
@@GlobeTigerFootball Check the "Intel Thunderbolt" app on your computer. My guess the update might have changed the setting to not allow new devices and you might need to "approve" the connection to change it to always allow new devices.
@@ScottSchramm This worked! Thank you!
Sorry but Can I use the mini usb to thunderbolt cable ?
No. The USB is only for pictures, not video.
I have purchased all cables but my pc does not recognise the input ?
Follow the troubleshooting in my video description
Hi will this work with a desktop computer windows 11
Yes, if your desktop has a FireWire card or Thunderbolt, it will work.
@@ScottSchramm it has a usb 3.2 port would that be the same as a thunderbolt??
@@ppports8196 No
@@ScottSchramm damn
so a USB-c (SS) socket wont work? thats faster than firewire 400??
It's faster but won't work. Different protocols. Not about speed.
@@ScottSchramm OK no worries, I found this: "USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 (support data transfer, Power Delivery and DisplayPort 1.4" could that work?
@@aaronfitzgerald9109 No. Needs to be Thunderbolt or it won't work.
I can't get this working! I have tried everything that I know and what was shown. I checked in BIOS on my Dell 7700 Laptop for Thunderbolt settings, all is ON and correct. Yet, my WinDV screen is black, no video even though Device manager sees the camcorder, says it is working, the WinDV screen says "capturing" but where is it?
Hmm it seems you have connection, the only thing I can think of is trying a different software. I have not used these, but I have heard from others they work: www.scenalyzer.com/ and www.noeld.com/programs.asp?cat=video#amcap
@@ScottSchramm Good evening, Scott, first, thank you for replying, I know that you are ONE BUSY GUY with all that you do, and it is GREATLY appreciated by me and MANY others. I have heard about the program called scenalyzer, but not the second one. I am going to take your advice and try the first one to see if that works. It really puzzles me WHY the WinDV doesn't seem to work. It says it is "capturing", but where is it going. I did notice in the file name box, it tried to place it in downloads, but that should not matter I don't think, it should capture anyways no matter where it tries to place the captured video, correct? And, if you find out anything regarding why WinDV may have troubles with Windows 11, please let me know, I am still puzzled by this, it works for some people with windows 11 and not MY windows 11? Or, MY Dell G7700? WHY?
@@ScottSchramm I just tried both programs, both had problems, didn't even get to first base. Got further with WinDV. I am ready to tear what little hair I have OUT, and suggestions other than contacting Dell Tech?
@@graywolf1911 sorry to hear it's still not working. For WinDV, it seems weird that it says its capturing but you don't see any preview. Make sure you have a file name entered. Also click the config button and it looks like there are two types. Mine is defaulted to type-2 AVI but try the type 1 and see if that makes any difference for you.
@@ScottSchramm Good evening Scott, I had checked the config button yesterday out of curiosity, mine is set to type- 2 AVI, I will try type 1. Also, I am not sure about the file name box. I entered "Sony DVR Tape 1" , is this sufficient? This is one area where I had confusion, I watched your video and paused it a couple of times, but I am not sure I have this correct; can you list the procedure?
what if i do not have a thunder bolt?
Watch the whole video where I explain other options.
The Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter has been discontinued. They are currently selling for $70+ on eBay. I guess I'll have to go the AV route.
Don't do that. Watch this updated video: ua-cam.com/video/LXXSZdOZb-k/v-deo.html
I need help! I don't have a thunderbolt, thee is something I can do, for don't waist mi video
Check out my latest video: ua-cam.com/video/LXXSZdOZb-k/v-deo.html
Anyone has a 12th gen Intel laptop cpu with thunderbolt 4 controller could confirm this work?
There seems to be a known issue about it not working with Intel 12th gen. I am working on a new video about it so stay tuned.
@@ScottSchramm thanks man 👍👍👍
@@ScottSchramm Thanks Scott. Digging out my miniDV equipment to do some editing now that I'm retired. I have a Dell Precision 5470, 12th Gen. Core I7-12800H... same problem as as all the 12th gen folks. Seems like it was so much easier with a Matrox controller, SCSI drives (which never dropped frames BTW), and Premiere Pro (multiple earlier generations). Relieved that others experiencing this problem; thought I was losing my touch.
@@ScottSchramm Hi great video. Bought an expensive video editing pc fitted with a Lycom PE-107. 400/800 firewire card that does not work so far.
So also same question as policeman0077 RE: known issue with 12th gen. I also have a 12th gen i7-12700k.
Even if I chuck out the new firewire card what Thunderbolt 4 and cables do I actually need using a Canon HDV 40
and Sony Hi-8 camcorders with DV ports to USB-C thunderbolt connection do I need.. Its odd my USB-C wont work as faster than firewire 400 even 800 but seems to point at lack of support from windows 11. I have two firewire cables 400 and 800- but I also read reports dont use the 800.
I am also told my editing sofware pinnacle ultimate also does not support the import of AVI FILES. Triple whammy. so need to purchase more software that still allows AVI import. Ok I see HDV SPLIT and win dv mentioned will try that but is academic if win 11 has issues that are not resolved.
So in having spent so much is it possible to confirm exactly what I now need given the above and assuming the known problem with 12th gen is going to be fixed. Also many are reporting the WIN11 update 22/H wont install as in my case and I only mention this in case this update is essential to importing AVI or the intel 12th gen issue The failed 22H2 update simply states try again but after three attempts microsoft takes it off the table and is not displayed again on the updates. Some on the web state you have to wait till 22/H appears again in the future..
Really appreciate any help in the above as this is the best video ive looked at.
UPDATE Ive been told the firewire card could be stopping the 22h2 update. will uninstrall and try again as the update suddendly has become available again after a couple of weeks.
Rob
@@gpop9878 Hmm, I am surprised to hear that your PCIe FireWire card did not work. I thought they may have still worked since connecting it through Thunderbolt is definitely not working with 12gen Intel processors. I would not recommend buying the cables and adapters in my video description (right below the video player you will need to click on "show more" to expand it) because that method is proven not to work a this point and it's unclear if there will be any kind of fix or update to bring back that support since this seems to be a limitation by Intel. As for a path forward on your system, I would suggest looking into what processors your motherboard supports and seeing if you can buy an 11th gen processor and using that as I haven't heard of any compatibility issues on 11th gen and older. As far as your Windows 11 update issues, I am not sure, I have not had that issue. You may need to reinstall the OS which would not be a bad idea if you do change out your processor. Good luck!
The apple FireWire convertor seems to no longer be made and prices have gone up.
Sorry to hear that. I am working on a new video to talk about options without the adapters.
My 15+ year old desktop computer (2.8ghz quad core AMD Phenom II CPU) that I built has firewire port built onto the motherboard I noticed today (as well as another desktop I built same year but different motherboard manufacturer - Asrock and Gigabyte). Been so long, I couldn't remember if firewire port was only on my pinnacle A/V board (which stopped working is my recollection, so I removed it eons ago). Much rather use my new laptop (and not be reliant on my old PC) but I think I'll use the old PC....could buy a desktop and a firewire card if I really needed the capability in future.
@@ericsnyder6763 Best way now is to use the old PC for capture, put it on a flash drive, then transfer to new new computer for editing.
I wonder whether there is anybody in the UK who doesn't need Thunderbolt to Firewire 800 adapter anymore and are willing to sell it to me?
Your best bet might be eBay if you want to go that route.
thanks yes I am trying!@@ScottSchramm
I have DV tapes not HD
There are usb firewire changers not needed adapter
I also need to capture entire content meaning we cant just copy we need to play entire content to PC
The USB FireWire adapters you are referencing DO NOT WORK but you are welcome to waste your time and money on them if you wish. Also, since these tapes are a linear format and not a digital "file", you need to play and capture the tape in real time. There is no way around that.
@@ScottSchramm i had firewire controller but i wad using pinmacle instant copy that times
I still have few tapes which i havebt captured to mpg + i need to check my camcorder too .
Can't I just use a USB-A to Firewire 4 Pin?
No, it doesn’t work.
@@ScottSchramm Damn
@@ScottSchramm So you tried it already? or you know that USB-A just can't do it?
@@alexgagulax2866 If you don't believe me, look up the reviews for FireWire to USB cables and you'll see nothing but poor reviews and people explaining that they do not work. You're also welcome to waste your time and money to try one to see for yourself.
@@ScottSchramm k
And if you want to do this way faster and easier... get a Mac. And I'm a Windows guy saying this, lol.
You don’t need a MacBook, I used an old laptop with windows 7 and FireWire, cost next to nothing. Plugged the camera in and it just worked.
@@TheWretchedWorld Good point. There are definitely some old Windows laptops with firewire ports on them. What software did you use to capture the video?
@@drinkinslim windows movie maker lol, all I did was plug the camera into the laptop no faffing about. Allowed me to save the video as is.
did not help
Without any more info, I can’t help you.
Hi ! Wonderful video!!! I have a Sony Handycam DCR-TRV camera, it fortunately has a direct USB output I believe, but I was wondering if the process would be any different with this cable? I will try to replicate everything in the video anyway, but it would be of great help if you had any idea on how to transfer the footage from a Sony Handycam DCR-TRV miniDV tape into my computer. Cheers!
The USB port is for photo transfer and does not work for video. You'll need to follow the process show in this video (or any of my other recent videos) to use Thunderbolt or FireWire to capture the video. The process is not any different for your camcorder.