Making a Homemade CARABINER from Damascus Steel! Part 2
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obviously it goes without saying that Damascus and Aluminium have different tensile strength. So please just be careful on how much fall/sheer pressure is applied when you use it.
Otherwise nice one! have fun!
It’s gonna be a heavy caribeaner…. But unless it totally delaminates the steel will be so much stronger than aluminum.
It'll probably be stronger but I don't see the 2 of them actually using it for proper spelunking.
Steel carabiners would actually be stronger than aluminum ones they would also be a lot heavier so if you’re doing a long climb, where do you need a lot of carabiners for supports it would get really heavy.
Alec, go speak to DMM, based in Llanberis, to see how they forge them en-mass. That would be a cool vid in a similar vein to your visit to Tata steelworks or when you went to your local foundry
That *would* be cool to see! 😄
I was literally going to say the same, it's a fascinating factory and would make an awesome video
So that climbing harness is how Jamie gets such excellent shots o.0
You should look into how carabiners can cut ropes, it's really quite insane to me how little of an edge can result in such a catastrophic failure. Even what would appear to be a smooth edge can be dangerous, even with strong ropes.
NEAT STUFF!
I don't think they'll actually be using it in their kit.
@@graeme.davidson but what's wrong with learning the ropes? (Lmfao)
@@graeme.davidson I agree but it’s still a super cool process. You couldn’t use it in your kit because of the heavy testing and certifications that the come with the commercial
@@neloy4200 I mean, you could use it if you wanted. You just could not sell it without a lot of liability risk. You coukd use whatever the hell you want though. Whether it is smart to use it is a different question and one that involves your own calculation of risk.
I'm SO happy to see you and Jamie living the best of your lives! Man, this whole lore is so wholesome
Please do a DMM factory tour, the hot drop forge their aluminium carabiners and I have now idea how they make their steel ones. It would be fascinating to see your perspective on their manufacturing, plus Jamie would get to make beautiful B roll of North Wales.
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How about risk of delamination in real stressing usage condition in future?
Hownot2 is a youtube channel that breaks carabiners. you should do a collab with them to see how strong your carabiner really is.
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As a tree surgeon I absolutely love to see you making stuff like this! It's very interesting!
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Let me break test it! 😅
Ryan is in the chat everyone!!! He needs a Damascus carabiner to destroy!!!!!!
love the sense of humour with the rope climbing while building/recording.
I am seriously enjoying the videos where you make these every day objects like the lighter and crescent wrench. Its so interesting to see the mechanisms behind the items. Keep up the good work!
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Jamie:
As a rock climber I can say wearing a harness to do normal stuff is normal. Thank you for representing us with the correct amount of stoke.
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Thank you, I'm feeling very down today, so I needed to see you two up in climbing harnesses. You really raised your work to a new level with this.
Oh these puns 🤣
@@cocon16_PW And yet all true statements. 😁(I'm feeling better now. The video helped, but so did telling puns.)
@@Merennulli I regularly suffer with bouts of depression, especially in winter. A friend of mine recently talked me into starting running, using the "Couch to 5K" app. It's really helped with my mental health!
@@ApexHerbivore I have a disability that prevents me from walking very well, but I appreciate it. This was the result of a terrible day at work (former coworker lied about something being ready, I got assigned to deploy it on short notice, and found it's fundamentally designed in a way that could never work, meaning it really needs a total rewrite...in 5 days after he spent months making it a glorified mockup.)
I do have cyclical depression, but it's not tied to seasons and I am thankfully not in the depressed part of the cycle now. I try to keep a distinction between feeling down (bad day sort of thing) and feeling depressed (where it's biological and my circumstances have limited effect on it).
My last cycle was before my injury, and honestly the exercise was of some effect but not much. I normally find social interaction draining, but I find forcing myself to do it when I am in a depressive cycle is the best way to mitigate it.
@@Merennulli I'm sorry to hear about your disability, I shouldn't assume everybody is fully mobile when I make comments like that, my bad.
I struggle with social interaction too, and had a 15 year struggle with alcohol and cannabis which I thought were helping, but were actually making things worse!
Glad you've found something that helps you, sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders in any case, and that's the main thing! All the best to you :)
Nice to see you guys hanging out while you work.
I understand what you mean about being scared of heights. When I was in the Boy Scouts I could never do the climbing more than above a certain amount of height. Although for me the fear was going up not down so if I started high up I could climb down no problem. I did go caving once my last year as a youth but we didn't do much traversing of ropes, just one in order to get around a drop that most people didn't go past.
When I was in Boy Scouts getting the Climbing merit badge the instructor did a demonstration for how strong the ropes. He attached the rope to his harness and suspended himself about a foot off the ground, then cut the sheath around the outside exposing six smaller stranded ropes that braid together into the core. He then cut each strand one by one until he was suspended by only a single core rope. That made me much more confident while climbing because I knew just how overengineered the ropes were which made it easier to just trust them to do the job and focus on the actual climbing.
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Damn he must’ve been on the big bucks, those ropes aren’t cheap
This feels like the start of one of those conversations that goes "Where's Alec?......Oh, he's in the hospital after breaking his legs while testing out home-made carabiner" and all you can think of is Why??
Rappelling has to be one of my favourite things I’ve done
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All the carabiners I owned said drop forged. Squishing it out seems like the right thing to do :)
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That's great, now we need 11 more of those caribiners.
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@@AndrewCartwright304 I have something for you too! Reporting your BS scam crap. Enjoy!
Seeing you strapped up in the air makes me want to see you do a video forging but only in the air no feet on the ground. Makes me imagine a old time skyscraper worker up there working away.
Surprising how much you can get done just Hanging around in the shop!
Jaime will do ANYTHING to get the perfect shot.
The music sounds like an italian folk music version of the 90s Xmen theme.
my two favorite things in one video. love it
Steel carabiners are the go-to for caving. Not sure about Damascus ones. But it's awesome to see.
I was always taught 'thumb on bum' for SRT descents. Better control of the rope generally.
Awesome to see a crossover between two hobbies!
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Thank you for consistently using PPE, so many youtubers just normalise being reckless.
He is planning on going caving with a homemade carabiner that has already proven to have cracks in multiple spots.
That is the definition of reckless, regardless of how much PPE he wears while grinding.
Getting them overalls off once the sparks lodge in the brass!
Can't wait till pt 3
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You should do a collaboration with hownot2!!!!! Pleaseeee im begin you 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Also.. i hope that you dont really mean to try that carabineer in a real life scenario. Those things have manufacturing standards
I’d be interested in seeing some load testing done on it when your all finished.
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Hi Alex! I've been watching your videos for a while now. I remember one of your videos, where you mentioned horseshoeing being part of a blacksmith's workload. I was wondering if you could make horseshoes, and then fit it on a horse. (If no horse, maybe a horseshoe for humans, and then fit it onto a human shoe).
2:27 so thats why hes got a harness
I'd love to see the finished product be tested by someone like Mamut or how not 2
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As always, fun to watch and your vids have superb production values. Fantastic. Remember to account for shock, like if you drop 20 feet suddenly.
You should forge a clamp, you made a vice a long time ago but a table clamp would be a nice single-video project
Ha ha ha! "Single-video" project. Ha ha.
Did I say single video? I meant single-year project, I don’t think it will take more than 52 episodes, unless something goes wrong at the very last moment ofcourse
would love to see you make a golf club iron let's see how the old timers did it
Nice reflex control Jamie to keep hold of the camera and let the towel roll fall.
More times than I care to admit I've dropped something I was holding to catch something tossed to me
Hello from Maine, USA
before using it, get it xrayed and a ultrasound done on the metal work, big ouch if it goes wrong. My climbing gear used to have yearly inspections. A couple of them came back chopped in half.
I have a very silly obsession with D-rings of all kinds. I’m a disabled vet…I have absolutely no use for real climbing gear, but I will find uses for them even if just a fidget object when I’m having increased pain days. I have some that have a cool magnet locking gate that I love the most. I’ve got a couple of those. Then I have another thing that’s made by a company called Kong. Not the dog toy(but they do use one of them in a dog leash) it is a gate that will close onto a carabiner and an arm on each side you have to pull back on to open it and release whatever it has ahold of. That’s probably absolutely trash for a description. I would be lucky to even buy a piece of cutoff Damascus scrap, not a chance I’ll ever have the cash to buy a A. Steele Damascus carabiner.. unless someone liked my idea for The Kingsman mad gadget guy/turn into the bald teacher guy that I posted in the first video making the Damascus. Not that the idea is worth anything to anyone other than a funny action drama in my head. Heck if it is worth something, I could really use a belt sander/grinder…just saying, lol
Alec--I suffer from low-level balance issues, due to a bout with vestibular neuritis a few years back. Part of what I do with my life involves climbing a scaffold (6m) from time to time. Imagine my delight....
You know... When you make the gate... You could make it L shaped to force a front and back section in the closed carabiner... Or by adding a secondary wire gate like in the Beal Orient Express. Should help stop you cross loading the biner when you're moving around at weird angles.
Alec, an engineer should be to quickly calculate the strength of your carabiner to see if it's strong enough or not.
After all, you don't necessarily know if your Damascus billett is as strong (or stronger) than the carabiners material.
The modulus of elasticity of your material has a lot to say in a cross sections strength 😅
For this material, it would be almost impossible to tell, because of the different properties of the two steel and there is no way to know what proportion of each material there is at any given cross sectional area. Its possible to make an estimate by averaging the two materials though.
@@JacktheFireEater bcs you have a life on the line you go safe and take the lowest possible values / worst case scenario, that way it can only be the same or better.
@@I_am_here_to_eat_your_toes Well, yes, but this will already be above the minimum factor of safety just through the design and material. That doesn't tell the yield strength for the carabiner like I think the OP was getting at. Im an engineer, so I agree with you that thats what would be done for the lowest estimate, what I was saying is that there isnt any way to get the exact value and that an average would just be as close as we could get.
@@JacktheFireEater I'm just done my engineering degree, and that crossed my mind. There are tests one can do to determine an approximate strength, it's done with rebar, but it's not accurate.
Averaging would be my go to, but I lack the experience to be more confident in my abilities to say anything else 😅
@@I_am_here_to_eat_your_toes this is also a solution...
Though aren't the carabiners made of aluminum?
In that case steel in general has a modulus of elasticity about 2.5x that of aluminum, which should sort any issues out.
Cool content, cool edit.
Next time maybe make a screw-lock carabiner? Much simpler mechanism
Lets gooo , do more videos 🫡💪🔥❤️💪
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pleas please please Alec, you have to carve the grooves on the sides of the carabiner!! its very structurally important as it is stronger WITH the grooves than without!! this is the reason "I beam" exists and plain beams are basically trash!!!!
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I know you are not done yet with this but you should make a farriers knife next if you want another challenge.
Yooooooooooo finally recognized red as the superior color elli would be proud
Other than taking some Dramamine to get through it, loved it.
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I got excited to see the height gage
If you find any nice rough gems in those caves you should get them cut or better yet learn to cut them and then set them in a sword or dagger.
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Even if tempered back to a spring blue would still be sufficient. May not be necessary but it would minimize any chance of distortion
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Anyone else hearing the 90s X-Men theme in the Spanish guitary song at 4:30? Just me?
Yep. I just posted the same thing.
Id love for you to do a few/ a colab with hownot2, amazing youtuber whim breaktests climbing gear!
Hi from Connecticut, Alec! 🇺🇲
Alec, you MUST test that hook before you even remotely begin to trust it.
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The filming while hanging on the rope looks cool.
Sre you already working as climbing photographer jamie?
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You did a pad style lock, could u do a combonation style lock?
Alec and Jamie, here are two important tips for climbing and repelling: 1) For climbing, make a three or four hoop ladder in your ascender strap. Climb it like a ladder and you will not get as fatigued ascending. Climb the ladder then bring up your harness ascender and sit, elevate your ladder ascender, climb the ladder and repeat. 2) Now on repelling, usd your right hand (assuming that Jamie is also right-handed) to hold the loose rope behind your lower back. This will give you extra braking friction. I've repelled and climbed since the early 1970's. I still have the gear but no longer participate in the activity. When you're young DO IT! because you won't be able to in your later years.
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Try and partner with Petzl or some manufacturer to stress test it the same way that they do theirs.
See if it would be suitable with their standards
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I think those grooves around the carabiner are quite important to it's strength. If I recall correctly from my first year mechanics class, the "I shaped beam" helps against bending forces when keeping it lightweight.
It has a lot more to do with 'lightweight' than strength. A solid bar is always stronger than a solid bar that has material removed. Always.
Red Dykem? On something you trust with your life?!
Did you throw the - I'm assuming aluminum - reference carabiner you set your forging on while it was still red hot away?
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Please make steele branded boiler suits!!!! Would be perfekt for people like mee who just wants to put something on whilst working and then taking that layer of for when you go in the house
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Haha, making things while hanging in SRT kit; not seen that before 😄
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I wonder if there's been any studies on the force required to delaminate Damascus steel. Common sense that it should be less than the typical force to snap the steel, but by how much?
hownot2 is a channel that breaks carabiners they could find out.
@@dumbideas3361 literally everyone else has been saying the same thing for 2 videos. I'm more thinking of strain testing damascus in different orientations and patterns with a standard size billet, and standard metal combos.
i mean a steel carabiner is something of a feat to break even the cheap ones tend to be stronger than the best aluminum ones though i personally wouldn't trust any hollow rings or carabiners to hold my weight
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Okay, you guys win the floor is lava
At about 4:30 I thought that was a spanish guitar rendition of the old X-Men cartoon theme... Showing my age a bit probably
Only very vaguely, and only after you mentioned it, lol.
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You should check the story of Yvon Choinard,founder of Patagonia. He start his career manufacturing carabiner, pitons and hammers for bolting routes, and then created clothing equipment for climbers. Really cool to se climbing becoming more popular 😊
@hownot2 needs to test this one...
next project- Damascus abseiling figure 8!
Is it possible to get an update on the other workshop sometime. Would love to know how it goes there
alec finally using a file!!! *happy noises*
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That's the X-Men Animated series theme at about 4:23
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Spelunking is the term I've heard
Add a knee ascender to your srt kit, then you can use both legs to ascend. Literally walk up the rope using both legs 👍
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Hang in there!
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I wonder how many carabiners they bought for gags while they made the one.
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That flamenco song sounds a bit like a cover of the 1992 Xmen theme song... but in Flamenco...
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Hi Alec. I'm thinking about getting into blacksmithing. I have many questions.
Check out John Salathe ,Yvon Chouinard Steve roper?,pretty sure these guys figured out and were using 4130 or chromoly steel (from Ford axles)properly heat treated to create suitable equipment for the granite cliffs of yosemite,back in late 40s 50s😮
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Strong fingers helps
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so I'm a rope rescue operator in Canada. just wondering if it's different over there but usually we only climb with a minimum of 2 lines. so everything is backed up once.
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I think it depends on the application. I’m part of the mountain rescue in Germany, for complex rescue operations or if we need to get down a long way we use two dyneema ropes for redundancy, but if it’s for example just a rescue in a sport climbing area we use a single rope. Also for normal sport climbing we use single ropes, but on more alpine climbs with the danger of rock fall it is recommended to use two ropes.
Have you thought about sending your finished Carabiner to @HowNOT2 to get it tested (and destroyed) so you know how much it is possible to withstand? After using it of course
Beautiful etch!
if i was counting my life on that carabiner it would be getting it ht'd to at least HRC55. It will still bend but is super tough. no Way id trust a climb with out it.
10/10 would whip
Will you do destructive testing after it's done and the trip is over?
Yes 😁😁
The standard for Carabinas is aluminium alloy, so why not thinner in a much stronger metal?
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The side isn't just a pattern. It's there for structural strength. You might want to consider adding it. Like an "I beam" It's much stronger and less prone to bending.
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This is incorrect, the shape is there for weight saving. An I beam is not as strong as a solid bar the same outside dimension.
@@jstenoien That is incorrect. The shape is engineered that way to prevent bending in specific directions. Yes, some may be for weight, but it is structural as well. Also, an I beam is better than a solid beam for many reasons. But why would they make it "I" shaped and not just a straight beam? To prevent bending in a specific direction and to prevent twisting. Much like you would want a carabiner to be strong for specific types of loads in specific directions. It is structural.
@@jstenoien Weight saving is only one reason. It is also so that it doesn't twist or bend as I stated. It's not solely about strength in one direction. The shape of a carabiner uses this fact. Just like cutting holes through a beam can actually make the beam stronger in specific directions than if it was solid. Basic engineering stuff here.
Anyone else hear the X-men theme at 4:24, or is it just me?
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Great video, but man the audio of the filing was somewhat painful
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Around 4:25 did anyone else hear the opening from X-Men but different and acoustic guitar but just different enough it's not copyrightable?
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When/why did you switch to dykem red? I miss the dykem blue proselytizing lol
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6 months from now this will be a climbing youtube channel I'm calling it now
Honestly it could be half that thickness and still handle a full fall
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Me, Me. I'm a tester for dangerous stuff :D thank you.
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