What an excellent selection. I was curious if many of these boats were currently available at $50,000 or less. I used a worldwide search on Yachtworld at put the upper price at $60,000 with the idea you could bargain the price down close to $50,000. This is what I found: Cal 40 NA (not available), Valiant 40 NA, Tayana 37 7 from $35-59K, Moody 37 1, Hans Christian 38T 1 @ $29k (project boat) 1 @ $59K, Island Packet 38 NA, Hallberg Rassy 35 1, Alberg 37 1, Contest 38 1 (Project), Nada 1 @$59K. So it is possible to find a decent blue water boat for $50,000. However, if you open the purse up to $80,000 there are so many more to select from. Interesting video and hopefully it will inspire others to join the fleet and seek adventure and freedom.
Capt James, it so great to see you back Sailing Zingaro with dear Anna. Please keeping the videos coming. I know it is a lot of work putting them together and posting for viewing. It is always good to see your smiling face and superb attitude educating us all that appreciate your presences on youtube. now a top 10 for 50-100k is needed Big fan Jim Rodgers
Nicely done James, great to have someone who actually knows what he’s talking about doing these videos. I’m waiting for the ultimate cruising boat video though, the one with boats none of us can afford! For me it’s the Bluewater 56 that’s the dream boat, the only one I would swap Fair Isle for. We should do a test together, I’m sure we can get Kyle to lend us one for a week or two!
Everyone does this for under 50K stuff, and I do appreciate it. But would love to see something like this in the 200K to 400K range. And the debate on the newer hull style in contrast to the 90 to 2000 hull styles Like the Cabo’s, Tayanas Taswell , Oysters etc.
You missed the Cape George 36. The Cape George 36 is the boat that won the Golden Globe Around the World Race in 2022 with South African Kirsten Neuschafer aboard her Cape George 36 ‘Minnehaha’.
@@jhenderson1644 Yes, I owned hull #13, a 1974, that I paid $15K for and put about $35K into a refit, sailed and lived aboard for 10 years and sold her in 2019 for $50K. So there are some out there.
Recently picked up a Moody 425 to live the dream! Glad to see u selected a moody for circumnavigation. Currently sailing New England to FL and hope to cross the pond this spring or next. It has not disappointed. What’s your thoughts on Moody 425 for circumnavigation?
@ Did Partial refit over summer. Launched in November. Currently in Myrtle Beach enroute to FL. Some crew, more solo sailing. Everyday is challenging, but having an adventure of a lifetime!
Hi James- As to older boats and insurance... will marina's that require insurance allow a boat to enter with liability insurance only- and not comprehensive? And will insurance companies insure liability only on a older boat without insuring the boat itself...? Thanks!
It’s different all the time. Some places require you ta contact the insurance company and add the marina on the policy. Policy changes from marina to marina.
Robert Perry has said he personally is not "into" canoe sterns but client demands get satisfied. So, I think the Passport 40 is a much nicer boat than the Valiant primarily because of the stern. Also the interior of the Passport has old world charm that makes one want to start singing old sailor songs.
Very nice list, HC38 for me personally.. I also would of added the S&S, but they start getting expensive over 36ft. Plenty of amazing wooden boats in Canada, I ended up with a real beauty built in Copenhagen, she has sailed around the world many times, and we sailed her from Vancouver to Australia :-) Sold her recently and now shopping for another!!!!
Hey James, I have really been enjoying the series you have been doing. Any chance you can give some insight on some good Caribbean cruising boats? I have no desire to do any Bluewater sailing at the moment but would love some good info on boats that are less likely to run aground while sailing near the crunchy bits.
Hi James, great summery and good explained based on the ratio parameters. Maybe there will be a second part focusing on handling and comfort. Thanks a lot, Daniel
We Humbly submit a Cabo Rico 38 , a Bayfield 36 or even our yacht a Downeaster 38 as additions to this awesome list ! Our DownEaster 38 ( one of 200 built in California 1974-1981 ) cutter is a proven circumnavigator , with it's heavy displacement full encapsulated keel also available in 32' model and ketch rig. With a few suggested upgrades for heavy Bluewater ( replace the old weak HUGE saloon windows for one ! ) cruising as well as standard refitting like for any older boat ( all rigging , chainplates , thruhulls / seacocks , etc , etc ) the Downeaster is a real "sleeper" amongst all those more well known respected brands . There are DownEaster's in Australia , Europe , Fiji , Central America and throughout the USA - many available in various states of seaworthiness from Free to $50k. Like a Hallberg- Rassy the Downeaster is reminisce in design and ambience of those romantic sailing days of ole . We also love the nearly 7ft headroom in the saloon for us tall sailors ! We are 18months into our refit to circumnavigate which allows us to learn our boat inside & out as we refit and spend all that money a bit a time to make ready ! For many reasons we attest that a 38ft is the perfect size ( with our bowsprit counted we are a 41' ) for ease of handling by 1 or 2 , lower slip fee / hauling / maintenance cost while still affording ample elbow room under deck for up to six good friends !
@@philipmayo4865 I have an acquaintance here off the Chesapeake Bay in Virginia who has a Downeaster 38 Ketch - there are NOT center cockpits , they even made at least one 45ft Schooner model ! The local ketch I know off is in BRISTOL condition worth likely $75k , a ketch will be harder to find that a much more common cutter rig , likely have to pay $25k & up . The One drawback I would say my Downeaster 38 that is not upgradable is that it is NOT a keel stepped mast - would be my preference - so will be beefing up our rig as best we can . We know of several cutters to be had from FREE to well under $10k - with no wood stringers like a Westsail , or balsa cored decks refitting an old DownEaster might not be a dumb as many think !🤣 We paid $1,000 ( on hard for a decade ) and 18 months into a refit nobody can't find a fatal flaw in the boat ( multiple pro and boatyard "expert" inspections , a full survey on a $1,000 boat will be foolish ) we expect to have $50 k in it by time we leave Chesapeake Bay ( windvane , new sails , electronics , Oh My ! ) for further shakedown in the Caribbean before we head across the Pond to Cape Verde around the Cape of Good Hope to Zanzibar and Kenya before we cross the Indian Ocean - - We Hope to circumnavigate permanently , we will see if we can actually leave the Chesapeake 1st ! :)
@@expeditioncalypsowind wow! Sounds great! I'm looking for my first sailboat. I've wanted to learn how to sail since I got my first taste of it in the Boy Scouts many years ago. I'm trying to decide if I should just go with the sailboat I want or start with something smaller to learn on. I'm 56 now so I don't have a lifetime to buy and sell different boats like many do when they learn while they're younger. My wife wants to learn as well. I was thinking of just finding a used boat 38' - 48' and fix it up and learn how to sail on it. The Downeasters are nice looking boats for sure. Do you think this is a dumb thing to do for a novice? I'm very handy and know electrical and plumbing. I want to learn more about diesel engines however. Do you think it's possible for my wife and I to learn on a larger sailboat? Are you an experienced sailor?
Really loved this video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!! I have recently started watching more and love to hear from your experiences and thoughts. I would love to jump in but will have to wait for now till I can first retire (~8-10 years). Again, loved the commentary and not sure of what everyone else's thoughts are, but binning up price ranges of boats would be helpful (I'd like to pick your brain on the 100s up to 200s perhaps a bit more for example). I'd like to reach out for consult. Although I cannot jump in yet, I could sure use help in going through the what-if motions and help factor those costs into a retirement plan to better prepare.
Awesome James ! Great vid. Love these boats mate - especially the classic looking His, Valiants and Mayans. Alan from Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland, AUSTRALIA !!
I would have also mentioned the Slocum 43 or passport 42. Their are built like tanks and sail pretty well with their long shoal encapsulated fin keels. Their rigs are incredible robust.. Also, check chainplates.
Love all these boats but as a wanna be full time cruiser the one thing they lack is accessibility. I know older boats "rarely" have sugar scoops or equivalent. I think it would be hard to be at anchor and reprovision hauling everything up a side ladder. Anything equivalent that has more accessibility?
Talking from experience, on a Tayana 37 and the Island Packet, make sure the chainplates have been taken care of…. If not, get a big discount, or just walk away…. Huge job on both boats. ..
Chain plates are easy. Rebuild the pods in my tayana 37. Took 2 days.about 100.00 in epoxy and glass and 300.00 for new chainplates that was 20 years ago I did that and about to replace chainplates 3rd time 300.00 still her in thailand. That's the easy job on a 50 year old tayana 37. The harder jobs are everything else on a 50 year old boat. That needs everything every 10 years for ocean crossing.
excelente video, soy argentino, me abriste la cabeza, siempre busque quilla corrida, o semi corrida, pero no podia despegarme del Amel, y con el video de los 10 peores barcos, voy a dejar de buscar el morgan 41. En un par de años intentare comprar el mio, minimo 37pies. muchas gracias
Please don't underestimate the information you provide. I'm not a cruiser but I've learned so much from you. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in my club that can throw a line without fouling it. Fair winds and all the best for your future endeavours.
Valiant 40 owner here. You are not going to find one under $50k unless it’s an absolute wreck.. and a Texas-built v40 like Keeldragger is going to fetch over $100k
Very good choices! A nordic perspective: You included 2 swedish and one danish boat in your list. What about finnish boats from the same period? Would a finnsailer 34, buildt by Fiskars and designed by Hans Groop fit your standards?
The great thing about the catarmaran revolution is that it has brought the price of a lot of great monohulls into economy territory, simply due to good supply and falling demand. But they are as good a boats as they ever were.
Great serious of sailboat choices in price value for money for blue ocean sailing my favourite is the naiad 390 but realistically to get one of these in Europe your looking at €85.000 upwards Still a great boat for the price Great serious great watch Thanks for your input ⛵️
Good list. When I was shopping for boats I met this dealer in Long Beach, can't remember his name. He showed me the boat I was asking about but then said, "You gotta see these two other boats." Both from the 1960s. One had incredible wood carved cabinets and everything. They were 42 48 feet, but compared to the current boats very tiny inside. There were though a different world. So don't get fixated on a model from YachtWorld listings, go out and see some boats, sail on them if you can. You don't need the extra space unless you have a big crew... but you probably won't understand this until you sail. (What I think any passage boat needs is room enough to stretch and exercise , and two separate spaces where a couple can get away from each other. Time and time again I see UA-camrs making 'that video,' "Well, Mary left the boat...." Everybody needs some personal space. A tighter boat also means that at sea, there's always something to hang on to in rough seas.
A little bit out of the 50k range is the 39ft Amel Sharki, they are miniature version of the Maramu. Also important for any offshore boat is a protected rudder and also sealed bulkheads.
@James... A few other boats to look at: Ruster 36, Tradewind 35, Barbican 35, Camper & Nicholson 35. Also; Contessa 32 & Camper & Nicholson 32. I have a Super Sovereign 35 now, which as been approved for the GGR, but that's been superseded by the Barbican 35. Essentially, all the boats approved by the GGR could be on the list of RTW type boats
Nice video! I already bought a boat but seeing other options with pros and cons is always interesting, and I learn something new. I was hunting for a Najad 39 but found none in decent shape under 100K Euros. An alternative is the Najad 343, a bit on the small side but the one I looked at had been around the globe two times! I ended up with an Oyster 37.
Like I said, I owned one, and it's a great boat for liveaboard. Not so great to sail around the world. That said, I know of one person that did it on that boat, so there are always exceptions to the rule - though I know for a fact there are better performing boats to do the job. If you value performance (which you will after 10000 miles) give it a pass.
All nice vessel! The HC 38 being my favorite. I have a 1970 Ericson 41, a beauty, that I paid $10,000 for it four years ago. I'm a live aboard. With makes it hard to do some projects.
Great Video, Thx. I am afraid to ask, what are your thoughts regrading Wharram's? I am looking at Pahi 42's, some of them were professionally built and are cruising around the globe.
Though I'm not sure of the price ranges, but if you're looking for the renowned Swedish quality, also check out the two brands Regina af Vindö and Malö Yachts. If you're looking for a real classic check out Vindö from Nötesund Varv. Just saw an extremely well kept and beautiful 50S (35 feet) for roughly €51k.
Pretty good list of cheap boats, though the Alberg 37 and Cal 40 are really dated designs with very small interiors and uncomfortable cockpits. Marinas require insurance these days, and the insurance companies are getting sticky about taking boats over twenty years old, so make sure you can get insurance on a boat BEFORE you sign the dotted line. And buyers need to realize that cheap boats are cheap for a reason and nearly all will require SUBSTANCIAL money and time be spent on rebuilding/upgrading before they are sea ready. A decent rule of thumb is that the final cost will be double whatever you purchased the boat for. IE: a Tayana 37 that you buy for $40K will probably cost another $40 to rebuild it, so you'd end up spending $80K plus at least a year of work - inflation of parts/insurance/moorage has made rebuilding boats SHOCKINGLY expensive these days.
@@herpiegerbstick6808 My comment was directed at the topic of this video - Boats under $50K. The more money you spend on an already upgraded boat will obviously require less investment for rebuilding to finish it out, so if you want to pay $65K for a Tayana 37 you might get away with only spending another $15K to make her ready. Maybe... I have rebuilt both a 1994 Seawing 43 and a 2006 Hollmann 52 in the past three years - both cost about double the purchase prices (new sails, electronics, plumbing, cushions, pumps, windlasses/chain/anchors/etc.)
Ahh, the Wet sail 32! I crewed on a friend's WS32 on an attempted Gulf of Mexico crossing, New Orleans-Mexico. All upwind, and yes, it's a beautiful and seaworthy boat, but very exposed and uncomfortable cockpit. Oh, yeah, and, as you said, it doesn't go upwind well! (We didn't make it)😀
Interesting list. Mentioned a couple I am not familiar with, the European ones, which look nice and relatively modern inside as well. Of course you didn’t mention my low production numbers boat, but a few of yours were close enough that I won't take it personally.
Great list! Love a HC an a HR! Maybe shoulda been adozen on the list! Nauticat, Bruce Roberts or a Farr!( although thease can hold their value! Desls have been scored!) Peace Love n Light bro!( dunno about the haircut! 😂 grow it longer dude! Your a pirate!🤙)
Hi Cap. James, I want to buy a Catamaran and am interested in a Lagoon 421 or 420, but is there any possibility that you can create a program with Catamarans in the 40 foot class, I will live permanently on it and sail around the world?
I'm not an expert but tankage, provisioning, and such gets challenging below 36ft. Personally I would recommend 37-39' as minimum adequate length. Think about food, water, diesel, waste, solar, batteries, full weather clothing, spare parts, dinghy transport, refrigeration, navigation equipment, etc... Then mast height and draft such that bigger isn't always better. I recommend 37-39' is adequate, 40-42' is great if not too big, 42'+ might be restricted from some great places. I have a lot of experience with distance racing 36ft with 7 people and we could carry 14 man-days of food. Take 5 people's crap off and there would have been room for more food but you see 36' isn't too big.
@artsmith103 There's a guy named Sam Holmes and he's single handing around the world on a 26-foot. beater. I think 40ft is too big for a solo sailer unless you're super experienced.
@TheRaferaf Just watched his African river trip. I own a lighter 26ft. I agree 40ft is unnecessary big for 1 person. That was kind of explained in my description. He's a tough capable guy. Had to walk miles multiple times with 20L diesel can. Not acceptable for most people. Look at my list, davits, solar, batteries, somethings scale down for one person, somethings don't. Sailing Tarka, 27ft was my 1st favorite channel. Look how they lived but yes the boat was stronger than them. Next watch Sailing Soulianis on capable Tartan 37. They constantly showed how cramped they were. Besides the elbow and equipment room, weight is important when you can't avoid weather. 10K pounds is a start, 15K is better. I have no concerns for luxury and parties, but enough stuff requires hull length.
@artsmith103 Into the heart of darkness episode😀😀😀 The previous episode somebody tried to board him in the middle of the night. I'd say he got lucky. Anyways, I'm looking at some smaller motorsailers like a Nauticat 33.
Sometimes im wondering if could safely cross the Atlantic with My 1994 hunter 33.5 Perry design. Bal/disp: 46.51 Capsize ratio 1.99 For the moment we just getting some experience on the Great Lakes .
@@thelastpirate I'm retiring this year so I'm not in a hurry, I like to take it easy I don't want to race I like comfort and plenty of space and I like that the boat lies flat on the sea, I feel more comfortable in a catamaran than a regular sailboat
Siento escribirte en español, no sé hacerlo en inglés, podrías decirme qué es lo que opinas del un jonnmerie Jon 30 Lo conoces?. Muchas gracias por tu atención.
Only if you are a Norwegian Viking Wannabe 😀 On a more serious note, it seems like a great boat that can handle rough conditions well (with reference to the NBJS-channel)!
I really appreciate your knowledge! I also appreciate your quick, no nonsense delivery….all good information without any fluff.
Cheers! I try to keep it simple.
What an excellent selection. I was curious if many of these boats were currently available at $50,000 or less. I used a worldwide search on Yachtworld at put the upper price at $60,000 with the idea you could bargain the price down close to $50,000. This is what I found: Cal 40 NA (not available), Valiant 40 NA, Tayana 37 7 from $35-59K, Moody 37 1, Hans Christian 38T 1 @ $29k (project boat) 1 @ $59K, Island Packet 38 NA, Hallberg Rassy 35 1, Alberg 37 1, Contest 38 1 (Project), Nada 1 @$59K. So it is possible to find a decent blue water boat for $50,000. However, if you open the purse up to $80,000 there are so many more to select from. Interesting video and hopefully it will inspire others to join the fleet and seek adventure and freedom.
Yes, I’ll do another video at $100k, and $200k, etc. it’s a whole different ball game.
Capt James, it so great to see you back Sailing Zingaro with dear Anna. Please keeping the videos coming. I know it is a lot of work putting them together and posting for viewing. It is always good to see your smiling face and superb attitude educating us all that appreciate your presences on youtube. now a top 10 for 50-100k is needed Big fan Jim Rodgers
This is the video we've all been looking for James
As always, enjoyed your video!
Nicely done James, great to have someone who actually knows what he’s talking about doing these videos. I’m waiting for the ultimate cruising boat video though, the one with boats none of us can afford! For me it’s the Bluewater 56 that’s the dream boat, the only one I would swap Fair Isle for. We should do a test together, I’m sure we can get Kyle to lend us one for a week or two!
Yeah, what a boat. I think he would want to be on there with us!! Let’s set that up!!
Everyone does this for under 50K stuff, and I do appreciate it. But would love to see something like this in the 200K to 400K range. And the debate on the newer hull style in contrast to the 90 to 2000 hull styles Like the Cabo’s, Tayanas Taswell , Oysters etc.
I will be making more videos at different price points. I have gotten tons of emails asking for this one.
Go To a boat show with your pissoff money
You missed the Cape George 36. The Cape George 36 is the boat that won the Golden Globe Around the World Race in 2022 with South African Kirsten Neuschafer aboard her Cape George 36 ‘Minnehaha’.
For under 50k?
@@jhenderson1644 Yes, I owned hull #13, a 1974, that I paid $15K for and put about $35K into a refit, sailed and lived aboard for 10 years and sold her in 2019 for $50K. So there are some out there.
i enjoy these kind of videos. very helpful for anyone who wants to know what kind of boat they can expect for the budget they have.
Recently picked up a Moody 425 to live the dream! Glad to see u selected a moody for circumnavigation.
Currently sailing New England to FL
and hope to cross the pond this spring or next. It has not disappointed. What’s your thoughts on Moody 425 for circumnavigation?
Excellent choice, how are you liking it so far?
@ Did Partial refit over summer. Launched in November. Currently in Myrtle Beach enroute to FL. Some crew, more solo sailing. Everyday is challenging, but having an adventure of a lifetime!
Great choice. LMK if you need any help
“La martina” jajaja good man! Greetings from buenos aires
You should also do a top ten list for mono hulls between 40 and 50 ft. as well as performance catamarans.
That's a great idea for a future video!
Hi James- As to older boats and insurance... will marina's that require insurance allow a boat to enter with liability insurance only- and not comprehensive? And will insurance companies insure liability only on a older boat without insuring the boat itself...? Thanks!
It’s different all the time. Some places require you ta contact the insurance company and add the marina on the policy. Policy changes from marina to marina.
That's a great list James! Those are real bluewater boats for sure . I have a Bristol 45.5 CC , lovely boat offshore .
Fantastic! Very useful info for us future sailboat buyers on a budget, much appreciated!
Robert Perry has said he personally is not "into" canoe sterns but client demands get satisfied. So, I think the Passport 40 is a much nicer boat than the Valiant primarily because of the stern. Also the interior of the Passport has old world charm that makes one want to start singing old sailor songs.
Very nice list, HC38 for me personally.. I also would of added the S&S, but they start getting expensive over 36ft. Plenty of amazing wooden boats in Canada, I ended up with a real beauty built in Copenhagen, she has sailed around the world many times, and we sailed her from Vancouver to Australia :-) Sold her recently and now shopping for another!!!!
Thanks, James! Really love these videos. Much appreciated.
A very groovy and informative episode.
hi james, what's your thoughts on canadian makers bayfield and gozzard? gozzard, on, still producing. nice review, thanks.
You have really come into your own with this channel , great knowledge and advice ....wonderful stuff 💚
great info video James .
Good 2025 Start - love the channel since day one James!
Kelly Peterson 44 is my jam.
Hey James, I have really been enjoying the series you have been doing. Any chance you can give some insight on some good Caribbean cruising boats? I have no desire to do any Bluewater sailing at the moment but would love some good info on boats that are less likely to run aground while sailing near the crunchy bits.
Very cool video, wish my Pan Oceanic 38 made the list😅
Loved the video. Very informative thanks James. Much love.
Hi James, great summery and good explained based on the ratio parameters. Maybe there will be a second part focusing on handling and comfort.
Thanks a lot, Daniel
Appreciate the professionalism and insights, keep up the good work!
Good to see your vids again.
Good to know! Looking for my next boat and this is a great reference to work with
Thanks James ... am absolutely loving what your putting out now.. "I have a dream"
We Humbly submit a Cabo Rico 38 , a Bayfield 36 or even our yacht a Downeaster 38 as additions to this awesome list ! Our DownEaster 38 ( one of 200 built in California 1974-1981 ) cutter is a proven circumnavigator , with it's heavy displacement full encapsulated keel also available in 32' model and ketch rig. With a few suggested upgrades for heavy Bluewater ( replace the old weak HUGE saloon windows for one ! ) cruising as well as standard refitting like for any older boat ( all rigging , chainplates , thruhulls / seacocks , etc , etc ) the Downeaster is a real "sleeper" amongst all those more well known respected brands . There are DownEaster's in Australia , Europe , Fiji , Central America and throughout the USA - many available in various states of seaworthiness from Free to $50k. Like a Hallberg- Rassy the Downeaster is reminisce in design and ambience of those romantic sailing days of ole . We also love the nearly 7ft headroom in the saloon for us tall sailors ! We are 18months into our refit to circumnavigate which allows us to learn our boat inside & out as we refit and spend all that money a bit a time to make ready ! For many reasons we attest that a 38ft is the perfect size ( with our bowsprit counted we are a 41' ) for ease of handling by 1 or 2 , lower slip fee / hauling / maintenance cost while still affording ample elbow room under deck for up to six good friends !
You say they make a Downeaster 38 ketch? What's a fair price for one in your opinion? Are they center cockpits?
@@philipmayo4865 I have an acquaintance here off the Chesapeake Bay in Virginia who has a Downeaster 38 Ketch - there are NOT center cockpits , they even made at least one 45ft Schooner model ! The local ketch I know off is in BRISTOL condition worth likely $75k , a ketch will be harder to find that a much more common cutter rig , likely have to pay $25k & up . The One drawback I would say my Downeaster 38 that is not upgradable is that it is NOT a keel stepped mast - would be my preference - so will be beefing up our rig as best we can . We know of several cutters to be had from FREE to well under $10k - with no wood stringers like a Westsail , or balsa cored decks refitting an old DownEaster might not be a dumb as many think !🤣 We paid $1,000 ( on hard for a decade ) and 18 months into a refit nobody can't find a fatal flaw in the boat ( multiple pro and boatyard "expert" inspections , a full survey on a $1,000 boat will be foolish ) we expect to have $50 k in it by time we leave Chesapeake Bay ( windvane , new sails , electronics , Oh My ! ) for further shakedown in the Caribbean before we head across the Pond to Cape Verde around the Cape of Good Hope to Zanzibar and Kenya before we cross the Indian Ocean - - We Hope to circumnavigate permanently , we will see if we can actually leave the Chesapeake 1st ! :)
@@expeditioncalypsowind wow! Sounds great!
I'm looking for my first sailboat. I've wanted to learn how to sail since I got my first taste of it in the Boy Scouts many years ago. I'm trying to decide if I should just go with the sailboat I want or start with something smaller to learn on. I'm 56 now so I don't have a lifetime to buy and sell different boats like many do when they learn while they're younger. My wife wants to learn as well. I was thinking of just finding a used boat 38' - 48' and fix it up and learn how to sail on it. The Downeasters are nice looking boats for sure. Do you think this is a dumb thing to do for a novice? I'm very handy and know electrical and plumbing. I want to learn more about diesel engines however. Do you think it's possible for my wife and I to learn on a larger sailboat? Are you an experienced sailor?
Damage control sailing has a IP42. It's a good channel and honest. A new boat owner with new pains. I like it.
I wish there would’ve been an estimate on prices for these boat so we can get an idea of what they could cost.
Thank you for another great video!
Really loved this video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!! I have recently started watching more and love to hear from your experiences and thoughts. I would love to jump in but will have to wait for now till I can first retire (~8-10 years). Again, loved the commentary and not sure of what everyone else's thoughts are, but binning up price ranges of boats would be helpful (I'd like to pick your brain on the 100s up to 200s perhaps a bit more for example). I'd like to reach out for consult. Although I cannot jump in yet, I could sure use help in going through the what-if motions and help factor those costs into a retirement plan to better prepare.
Awesome James ! Great vid. Love these boats mate - especially the classic looking His, Valiants and Mayans. Alan from Caloundra, Sunshine Coast, Queensland, AUSTRALIA !!
I would have also mentioned the Slocum 43 or passport 42. Their are built like tanks and sail pretty well with their long shoal encapsulated fin keels. Their rigs are incredible robust.. Also, check chainplates.
Both great boats but I doubt you can find any for under $50K - and if you do - then they require a ton of work.
Great info brother! Thanks for this video.
Love all these boats but as a wanna be full time cruiser the one thing they lack is accessibility. I know older boats "rarely" have sugar scoops or equivalent. I think it would be hard to be at anchor and reprovision hauling everything up a side ladder. Anything equivalent that has more accessibility?
Do as GBU: make a platform (though bigger and better than theirs) :d
Well done captain!
Talking from experience, on a Tayana 37 and the Island Packet, make sure the chainplates have been taken care of…. If not, get a big discount, or just walk away…. Huge job on both boats. ..
Plus neither one sails very well.
Chain plates are easy. Rebuild the pods in my tayana 37. Took 2 days.about 100.00 in epoxy and glass and 300.00 for new chainplates that was 20 years ago I did that and about to replace chainplates 3rd time 300.00 still her in thailand.
That's the easy job on a 50 year old tayana 37. The harder jobs are everything else on a 50 year old boat. That needs everything every 10 years for ocean crossing.
Nice !
excelente video, soy argentino, me abriste la cabeza, siempre busque quilla corrida, o semi corrida, pero no podia despegarme del Amel, y con el video de los 10 peores barcos, voy a dejar de buscar el morgan 41. En un par de años intentare comprar el mio, minimo 37pies. muchas gracias
Please don't underestimate the information you provide. I'm not a cruiser but I've learned so much from you. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in my club that can throw a line without fouling it. Fair winds and all the best for your future endeavours.
Thank you sir. Keep up your great work
you have done very well . found it very informative and interesting . look forward to when you have a blog on catamarans. thank you for your effort .
Legend Bro!!!🤙🤙🤙
Valiant 40 owner here. You are not going to find one under $50k unless it’s an absolute wreck.. and a Texas-built v40 like Keeldragger is going to fetch over $100k
Thank you James !! + Love ya !!
Good presentation, I agree with your list. Keep up the good work-------Mikey, Belfair, Wa
I would have thought the KP44 made the list. There are a lot of inexpensive examples out there
Yes, those are good boats, but hard to find one in decent shape for under $50K, so I'm surmising that is why James did not mention them.
What are your thoughts on Kelly Peterson 46’? I know it’s not in the 50K category, but I would love to know what your thoughts are. Thanks!
Missing to your list, definitely the Morgan Out Island 41... THE cruising boat 'par excellence' 😉
Wasn't that in his don't buy video?
If I remember right that's the boat that's great on anchor
@@artsmith103 Humm, we haven't watch that one yet. Will do and come back to you.
@@artsmith103 Yup, just saw it on there, thanks! Now understand his comments about the boat...sails shitty, sits well on its anchor.
Very good choices! A nordic perspective: You included 2 swedish and one danish boat in your list. What about finnish boats from the same period? Would a finnsailer 34, buildt by Fiskars and designed by Hans Groop fit your standards?
The great thing about the catarmaran revolution is that it has brought the price of a lot of great monohulls into economy territory, simply due to good supply and falling demand. But they are as good a boats as they ever were.
Enjoyed your video. And I would love to have the valiant or the moody, but I didn't any of your boats talked about to be under 50k
Great serious of sailboat choices in price value for money for blue ocean sailing my favourite is the naiad 390 but realistically to get one of these in Europe your looking at €85.000 upwards
Still a great boat for the price
Great serious great watch
Thanks for your input ⛵️
Good list. When I was shopping for boats I met this dealer in Long Beach, can't remember his name. He showed me the boat I was asking about but then said, "You gotta see these two other boats." Both from the 1960s. One had incredible wood carved cabinets and everything. They were 42 48 feet, but compared to the current boats very tiny inside. There were though a different world. So don't get fixated on a model from YachtWorld listings, go out and see some boats, sail on them if you can.
You don't need the extra space unless you have a big crew... but you probably won't understand this until you sail. (What I think any passage boat needs is room enough to stretch and exercise , and two separate spaces where a couple can get away from each other. Time and time again I see UA-camrs making 'that video,' "Well, Mary left the boat...." Everybody needs some personal space. A tighter boat also means that at sea, there's always something to hang on to in rough seas.
What a dream list. All my favs. Yes. On the Westsail, I made teak cockpit coamings lol.
A little bit out of the 50k range is the 39ft Amel Sharki, they are miniature version of the Maramu. Also important for any offshore boat is a protected rudder and also sealed bulkheads.
@James... A few other boats to look at: Ruster 36, Tradewind 35, Barbican 35, Camper & Nicholson 35. Also; Contessa 32 & Camper & Nicholson 32.
I have a Super Sovereign 35 now, which as been approved for the GGR, but that's been superseded by the Barbican 35.
Essentially, all the boats approved by the GGR could be on the list of RTW type boats
The omission of the great Cabo Rico 38 makes this list break my heart 😉
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Nice video! I already bought a boat but seeing other options with pros and cons is always interesting, and I learn something new. I was hunting for a Najad 39 but found none in decent shape under 100K Euros. An alternative is the Najad 343, a bit on the small side but the one I looked at had been around the globe two times! I ended up with an Oyster 37.
Do a top 10 under $500k
I know you don't like Morgan, but I love the 41 Morgan with the 4 foot draft. I guess.
It is a little slow, but it's my dream boat.
Like I said, I owned one, and it's a great boat for liveaboard. Not so great to sail around the world. That said, I know of one person that did it on that boat, so there are always exceptions to the rule - though I know for a fact there are better performing boats to do the job. If you value performance (which you will after 10000 miles) give it a pass.
Oh dang...Not a Single one with a Sugar Scoop! 😃
looking forward to 100, 150 and 200k categories
Coming soon
Me too!
People with pissoff money don’t watch utube
What do you think of the Nicholson 35? 1974 I´m looking at one next week
All nice vessel! The HC 38 being my favorite. I have a 1970 Ericson 41, a beauty, that I paid $10,000 for it four years ago. I'm a live aboard. With makes it hard to do some projects.
Great Video, Thx. I am afraid to ask, what are your thoughts regrading Wharram's? I am looking at Pahi 42's, some of them were professionally built and are cruising around the globe.
Could you do a vid about insurance, taxes, how to? , cat vs mono?
Though I'm not sure of the price ranges, but if you're looking for the renowned Swedish quality, also check out the two brands Regina af Vindö and Malö Yachts. If you're looking for a real classic check out Vindö from Nötesund Varv. Just saw an extremely well kept and beautiful 50S (35 feet) for roughly €51k.
Pretty good list of cheap boats, though the Alberg 37 and Cal 40 are really dated designs with very small interiors and uncomfortable cockpits. Marinas require insurance these days, and the insurance companies are getting sticky about taking boats over twenty years old, so make sure you can get insurance on a boat BEFORE you sign the dotted line. And buyers need to realize that cheap boats are cheap for a reason and nearly all will require SUBSTANCIAL money and time be spent on rebuilding/upgrading before they are sea ready. A decent rule of thumb is that the final cost will be double whatever you purchased the boat for. IE: a Tayana 37 that you buy for $40K will probably cost another $40 to rebuild it, so you'd end up spending $80K plus at least a year of work - inflation of parts/insurance/moorage has made rebuilding boats SHOCKINGLY expensive these days.
By that logic a 100k boat will cost you 200k before it hits the water
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My comment was directed at the topic of this video - Boats under $50K. The more money you spend on an already upgraded boat will obviously require less investment for rebuilding to finish it out, so if you want to pay $65K for a Tayana 37 you might get away with only spending another $15K to make her ready. Maybe... I have rebuilt both a 1994 Seawing 43 and a 2006 Hollmann 52 in the past three years - both cost about double the purchase prices (new sails, electronics, plumbing, cushions, pumps, windlasses/chain/anchors/etc.)
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truly, recycled content is the best content
Well done on knowledge and honesty, very important 500kts offshore!! I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Oyster 39 ketch?
Jeez. I was hoping to see the Shannon 38.
Ahh, the Wet sail 32! I crewed on a friend's WS32 on an attempted Gulf of Mexico crossing, New Orleans-Mexico. All upwind, and yes, it's a beautiful and seaworthy boat, but very exposed and uncomfortable cockpit. Oh, yeah, and, as you said, it doesn't go upwind well! (We didn't make it)😀
Interesting list. Mentioned a couple I am not familiar with, the European ones, which look nice and relatively modern inside as well. Of course you didn’t mention my low production numbers boat, but a few of yours were close enough that I won't take it personally.
Great list! Love a HC an a HR! Maybe shoulda been adozen on the list! Nauticat, Bruce Roberts or a Farr!( although thease can hold their value! Desls have been scored!)
Peace Love n Light bro!( dunno about the haircut! 😂 grow it longer dude! Your a pirate!🤙)
Very nice.
James are you available for interior design aswell as sail plan design consultation?
many thanks. can you do a list of smaller boats? (the list you gave is really nice but its 50K... + repairs)
Hi Cap. James, I want to buy a Catamaran and am interested in a Lagoon 421 or 420, but is there any possibility that you can create a program with Catamarans in the 40 foot class, I will live permanently on it and sail around the world?
Why Lagoon? They're not built well and don't sail well...
@@thelastpirate I think they look nice and look great with all the woodwork and design.
and from what I've heard from people, they're good, but I have no experience with them
This makes me want to buy another boat! LOL! HAPPY NEW YEAR! ✝️🙏❤❤🥰🇺🇸⛵☘🍍🤗
What do you think of a 74 G41?
Now do top 30ft offshore boats.
I'm not an expert but tankage, provisioning, and such gets challenging below 36ft. Personally I would recommend 37-39' as minimum adequate length. Think about food, water, diesel, waste, solar, batteries, full weather clothing, spare parts, dinghy transport, refrigeration, navigation equipment, etc...
Then mast height and draft such that bigger isn't always better. I recommend 37-39' is adequate, 40-42' is great if not too big, 42'+ might be restricted from some great places.
I have a lot of experience with distance racing 36ft with 7 people and we could carry 14 man-days of food. Take 5 people's crap off and there would have been room for more food but you see 36' isn't too big.
@artsmith103 There's a guy named Sam Holmes and he's single handing around the world on a 26-foot. beater. I think 40ft is too big for a solo sailer unless you're super experienced.
@TheRaferaf Just watched his African river trip. I own a lighter 26ft. I agree 40ft is unnecessary big for 1 person. That was kind of explained in my description. He's a tough capable guy. Had to walk miles multiple times with 20L diesel can. Not acceptable for most people. Look at my list, davits, solar, batteries, somethings scale down for one person, somethings don't. Sailing Tarka, 27ft was my 1st favorite channel. Look how they lived but yes the boat was stronger than them. Next watch Sailing Soulianis on capable Tartan 37. They constantly showed how cramped they were. Besides the elbow and equipment room, weight is important when you can't avoid weather. 10K pounds is a start, 15K is better. I have no concerns for luxury and parties, but enough stuff requires hull length.
@artsmith103 Into the heart of darkness episode😀😀😀 The previous episode somebody tried to board him in the middle of the night. I'd say he got lucky. Anyways, I'm looking at some smaller motorsailers like a Nauticat 33.
Sometimes im wondering if could safely cross the Atlantic with My 1994 hunter 33.5 Perry design.
Bal/disp: 46.51
Capsize ratio 1.99
For the moment we just getting some experience on the Great Lakes .
Happy New Year to you and your family
Happy new year. I'd love to help you with your catamaran choice. There are much better boats. Shoot me a line.
@@thelastpirate I'm retiring this year so I'm not in a hurry, I like to take it easy I don't want to race I like comfort and plenty of space and I like that the boat lies flat on the sea, I feel more comfortable in a catamaran than a regular sailboat
With the cal40 being under 30 on comfort ratio, you would still.consider this a bluewater?
You done Fantastic research for dreamers like myself, thank you and I like to wish you fair winds in 2025!
Can you do some pilothouse / wheelhouse sailboats, like nauticat or fisher
Siento escribirte en español, no sé hacerlo en inglés, podrías decirme qué es lo que opinas del un jonnmerie Jon 30
Lo conoces?.
Muchas gracias por tu atención.
I don’t hear much about Rustler boats, and would like a learned opinion, thanks
Looking for a bellow 25k between 26 and 33ft list ❤
What do you think of the Belluire 50 cutter from 1986? I guess they cost around 150000 Euro?
James you should do a video just on the yawl mast and sail
I'm not about to do much/any real blue water cruising but my 1978 North American 40 is a great boat other than the old VW marine diesel.
Contessa 35 I reckon
Only if you are a Norwegian Viking Wannabe 😀
On a more serious note, it seems like a great boat that can handle rough conditions well (with reference to the NBJS-channel)!
@ 🤣🤣 I don’t know how that Norwegian guy still has a girlfriend!
What the difference between a fast and a slow boat... 2 knots?