Will Modern Plugins Change The Mixing Process?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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As someone who is still doing low level projects in pro audio, what these plugins really help me with, is cleaning up mixes that I couldn't touch otherwise. I can't describe how many times I've been asked to mix a live recording that was done only in stereo, or summed into stereo at some point. When you don't have the individual elements isolated, hunting down problem frequencies becomes twice as hard, but carefully using soothe and other selective plugins has helped me make so many recordings workable
Thanks for sharing this! Very cool use case.
There is a stark difference between you and the rest of the online audio teachers.
Thanks and beyond for your efforts to spread the years of knowledge you've obtained brother.
Nice video, Kyle. These are nice plugins. I do think that people that are new to mixing will get the impression that these plugins are going to “fix” everything that’s wrong with their mixes. A sort of “magic bullet”. It’s important that beginners (myself included) understand what’s wrong with their mixes and understand that concept first. I have been dabbling with recording and mixing for quite a few years. After hitting a brick wall, I decided to get some formal education. I started taking classes at my local college. I was totally enlightened. I was truly missing the basic fundamentals of mixing. It’s really important that people understand what they are hearing and know what tools to use before changing anything. The plugins that you are demonstrating in this video would be better suited for the intermediate to advanced engineers. Good job, as always.
Great point! I personally understand things better when I know the basic concepts below the surface. While these plugins can definitely help beginners AND experts, I think everyone should understand the basics first. Here’s a good video for learning the basics (for anyone reading this comment): ua-cam.com/video/QSvdhuu2orQ/v-deo.htmlsi=ShXmSPQvE_7xLH0t
I'd like to give you a compliment for being one of the most eloquent
and skilled "teachers" on the net. Thank you for your instructive and useful videos!
That is a great video. It's important how you have stressed the concepts of "dynamic" and "adaptive"; Very important for young engineers to grasp. You're work is getting better and better with each video. Keep it up!
Thank you! I agree - understanding new plugins like Bloom is going to be very important for younger engineers. The basic mixing intention and process is similar, but the way we get there continues to evolve.
Insane video. Well done!
Best videos man. You're setting up my future.
Nice video dude, loved it so much. :) Ty!
Thanks for watching!
Feels like Bloom takes a more overall tonality/broad strokes kinda approach compared to Soothe's ability for more detailed resonance notching
Agreed! Well said.
Man, I really dig your style, cadence and humble approach. REALLY approachable.. great stuff.
I appreciate that!
I used Soothe extensively on my last track - it's absolutely incredible at removing the digital harshness of synth plugins! I'm 100% sure I'll use it on every mix from now on. Just trying to talk myself out of Bloom but I think I'm gonna have to get it. Will DL the demo and fully check it out!
I think these tools, by abstracting many details of achieving a traditionally good mix, will make it less important and, combined with listening hardware being generally better and more headphone-oriented, will lead to artists using "bad" mixes in an artistic way. I've loved the way people like shamana deliberately fuck up their mixes for effect; I think that sort of approach to mixing (in relative moderation) is the future.
I understand what you mean... Maybe the most skilled engineers will become less valued as more of the work is done by plugins and DSP. My hope is that DSP, AI, and plugins like Bloom will help the best engineers be better instead of making them obsolete. Only time will tell...
take a listen to 東京事変 (Tokyo Incidents), I love the way their mixes are too even though they're, technically speaking, improper 🎧💕
Seems especially great for musicians/producers who aren’t engineers - but still want to get decent quality demos out there.
My only concern is the phase issues that might come up, especially using soothe.
You can always flip it
@@booyakabooyakashawhat if the phase shift is between 1 and 89 degrees ?
Excellent video, thanks
Glad you liked it!
This was a very interesting video. These plugins certainly seem to do a lot of work for little effort on the user part. Interestingly, so far l've been using two other plugins for similar purposes. The first one is Gullfoss (by SoundTheory) which does something similar to Soothe2 in terms of mitigating nasty frequencies. And the other one is Spectre (by WavesFactory) which adds different types of saturation to a specific band. Subtle plugins that make a huge difference.
Hey great video! So quick question, do you recommend this plugin for someone who knows nothing about mixing but definitely knows what sounds or frequencies he doesnt like on his mixes? I tend to overthink when I am doing the mixing manully but this plugin seems to go straight to the point.
Both of these plugins are useful for professionals and amateurs. Almost anybody can use it to very quickly reach a desired sound (but it can still be fine-tuned with additional controls).
@@AudioUniversity Okay so it is a fair starting point for the ones who aren't that much into eq every single resonance or muddy frequencies but also excellent for people who already master the art of mixing
Exactly! It does a lot of the work on its own, but still gives the engineer opportunities to fine-tune.
Cool tools!
I find it interesting that the original recording before effects, yes it lacks bass, yes it wasn’t forward like a typical record, but it contains much more spacial information that is lost with effects. A realness that isn’t accepted because we are used to hearing music mixed a certain way. If ya ever find recordings sound better when you turn the effects off, like a layers been removed, but then it no longer feels “professional”. That’s audio bias. I love this content thank you
Good stuff 👍
Thanks, Ethan!
Nice video. These plugins open up new possibilities but in both ways. It’s also possible to overdo it like on the guitar. It’s an acoustic instrument with an body that resonate. To much soothe and it sounds synthesised.
Good to hear a pro engineer weigh in on the new tools. Also analog pushed engineers to use their ears more and I think these tools lean more on that with less knobs crazy meters
My guess is these plugins have three modules. The first takes the audio and likely does FFT to detect the dominant frequencies in the track.
The second is like a mod matrix, that takes the dominant frequencies detected and maps that to an EQ band’s frequency parameter. Kind of like an envelope follower.
The third is your traditional EQ filter bank, being controlled by that second stage, which takes instruction from the first.
Well, it actually is all about the depiction of data of an audio signal. Since the FFT only transforms the data (it doesn't change it up, it just represents the exact same data in a different fashion). From what I understand about DSP engineering and programming: in soothe 2 the FFT transforms the incoming signal to the frequency domain. You can easily see that by the huge amount of latency introduced by the plugin, funnily enough exact 2048 samples which is a number of a power of 2, which means if Soothe uses exact 2048 samples to calculate the output of its IFFT, the maximum of possible usable frequency bins is 1024 (the other 1024 bins are mirrored as negative frequencies and are "unusable"). If oversampling is involved in Soothe 2, the frequency resolution doubles up, which means Soothe 2 would now process for example the double amount of samples but at a 2x frequency rate, which means the overall latency stays the same. Then on each frequency bin there is an envelope follower, each bin has it's very own "curve" gathered from the singular bins. The "EQ" in soothe 2 seems to be a "weighting" tool for the frequency data. I'm not sure if the weighting is done in time-domain like an basic EQ plugin does or if it's done directly in the frequency domain using the transfer functions of those EQ curves. However, it's just telling the system which frequency bin should be reduced more and which shouldn't. There is an overall threshold (the Depth Parameter) that detects which frequencies are above it and which aren't. The EQ "pushes" some frequencies more into this threshold or "pulls" them down. There is an very important thing about the FFT which is phase information. I'm not entirely sure if Soothe uses an instantianous phase for the output of the IFFT or if it just leaves the phase information unprocessed. But if you don't care about phase, transients will smear and the sound will get cluttered.
Oeksound is really great with their plugins albeit quite pricy, though I wish we had some idea how they work algorithmically. Im sure the abstraction from the algorithm is a business decision, but would love to know how they work compared to a regular EQ other than they just work contextually.
I want to know also! Although, I fear I don't have the right skillset to understand the algorithmic inner workings. Better to hear it than to spin my wheels trying to understand it...
I'm planning to have Oeksound on the Audio University Podcast in the future. What questions would you like me to ask them?
@@AudioUniversity i would need to think about that and get back to you! Is there a way to send an email to Audio University with question ideas?
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when a two knob plugin that does some basic gullfossing costs more than an entire digital audio workstation, you know humanity was a mistake.
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can you allow this vid to be saved so we can come back to it when we need to?
I wanted to ask how you would use this plugin with a violin 🎻
Great video, very informative. Nice plugins but way too expensive.
Thanks for watching!
I feel Bloom goes in the same path as Gullfoss, God Particle, Izotope Clarity, just to name a few. Knowing the efficacy of Soothe, Bloom can be no less than a successful bet. Nevertheless, those kind of tools, at least for me, must be carefully used, due to some possible transients killing, making the music a tad mellower and sometimes dull. All in all, they are nice tools to have to accomplish corrective moves and getting quickly to good spectral shapes in our music.
I use free plugins and they helped me sounds great 😊..
definitely one tradeoff of these modern plugins is more resource and cpu intensive
The answer is yes
Did I understand correctly that those eq curves we saw in Soothe were what you drew in? Which is to ask... you already had an idea of how you wanted Soothe to act on those tracks?
Not looking for a magic bullet solution at all, just to know how the plugins help. Still requires one to understand the basics of mixing. Tis true that these plugins are pretty pricey, but if they're going to take a lot of the donkey work out of things, then worth the money.
Difference between this and Gulffoss? 🤨🤨
noice!
Thanks for watching!
The title should be “will oek sound….”
I was hoping to get a more in-depth analysis of how digital plugins shape the workflow of audio engineers, but this was basically a oeksound commercial :(
Really nice advertising
When I hear adaptive tone shaper I hear izotope Sculptor or izotope Stabilizer or Gullfoss
Yeah I don’t think I need this
no disrespect intended, but i've never heard anyone try to work on a synth patch that was so lame in the first place. don't think i've ever heard a synth sound quite so bad. looks like interesting ideas though, keep us posted.
Yeah. That isn’t going to win any Grammys.
what did you even achieve with this comment? 😐
use free uad plugins
incridible AI…. Everyone can now make good videos using AI without learning complicated editing...the same goes for music nowadays
Too much mixing makes your mix sound too robotic and unnatural 😢😢😢. Why not let it sound natural at least. That's why music in the 90s will always win 🏆 🙌
Hard to have faith in any advice when you’re pinning your drum track.
Please be a better example for beginners
Cheers.
The platform don't let me see the message. I've been censored. Thanks anyway.
bloom is a overpriced and glorified gullfuss
I love learning more about mixing, but I can help but think that the vast majority of folks couldn't tell the difference between any of the synth clips. Especially in the mix with other instruments plus vocals on top. I'd actually wager most folks don't even notice that there's even synth going on in the mix. All this work is really only for the small minority of aficionados in the world
I see what you mean, but small changes to multiple instruments can result in big changes in the overall mix.
@@AudioUniversity No, I completely agree! They make a massive difference! I just think it's lost on probably 75% of folks, maybe more. The average person doesn't have an ear trained to hear this stuff
...the last two videos were so cold. Very very cold. Meh...
Wut?
the last two vids were just glorified ADs@@BillyDHughesDrums
@peexstile - Look beyond the fact that the video is sponsored, and you will see that there are important lessons to be learned in this video and in last week's video.
Partnerships with great brands like Neumann and Oeksound help the Audio University stay alive, but they also create opportunities to try new gear and learn from very smart people at these companies. All of that results in better free content for you.
Yeah yeah, but, personal opinion, I'm drawn more towards the raw emotions and spontaneity in music. While technical expertise is crucial, I'm curious to see how gear or techniques evoke genuine feelings and creativity in artists and you (that's why I'm subscribed to you). As musicians, we often find joy in both adhering to and breaking technical rules, as it allows us to explore new territories and express ourselves authentically.@@AudioUniversity