Epirus are great on semi forest maps and work well against Rome and any barbarian faction, just get pikes, some light flanking units (dogs, axemen, etc.) , heavy cav and lots of skirmishing units and you can pin them to your pikes flank with your dogs or cheap infantry and deal with the enemies cav with yours, finally leave the rest to the skirmishers. Simple
I think archers have some what of a role against elephants and being a hybrid. What I mean by hybrid is that the higher tier archers have heavy shot which gives them a lot more power. This makes them effective especially in the flanks like a lighter javelin unit
i used to play as epirus but almost every faction declares war then eventually the romans declared war also but the good thing is that my african war elephant which are mercenary survived almost all conflict even to the macedonians
I'm confused as to which tooltip you would check shield value for missile defense. Would it not be under the Armor tooltip instead of the Melee Defense tip?
How long will you wait? CA showed us how much we can trust them in terms what they say and what they present to us. Time is a relative concept too, in the case of games developers even very relative.
The Suebi needs a 5 unit update because they are soooooooo underpowderd after the latst 5 patches. They only have epic units, terrible units and good units that are half strength (berserkers). so the are at the mercy of every faction that have good costeffectief units. They have almost no armor and are at the mercy of every strong missile faction. if you go against a missile heavy faction you need to hug the forrest and that is not always an option. In rome 1 and rome 2 the Germanic faction was my favorite but in Rome 2 they are the absolute underdog of every faction. and that makes me sad. So Suebi needs more cost effectief units. PS. Great video Heir
Heir, you're looking at the wrong stats. Hover over the armor to look at the shield strength and protection from missiles. The melee defense tab only shows the shield strength in melee.
Heir i think you are confusing the shield value on melee defence. It says on description that it has no effect against missiles.. to check that you need to see the shield value on the armor stat
They can hold their own in terms of pikemen, cav, skirmishers and cheap units. They have some great units on the battlefield when put to the test. And most Rome players are cocky enough to run in to your or just do the opposite and take a lot of arrows, javelins and stones all down long. Even they think they are great in attack or great in defence. This faction is great for flanking while your pikes take a beating, you can pick off at them with cheap melee units and skirmishers or use your cav to immobilize them.
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-19-rome-2-killer-camel-dlc-backlash-prompts-rethink-at-creative-assembly The quote is towards the bottom: "They certainly aren't the last and players can expect to see more free content updates. Namely Carthage, whose unit roster can expect new reinforcements soon.
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I just started a campaign with Epirus and they have way more units than this. im talking 6 or 7 Melee infantry. Confused??? In fact i actually compared them to the Romans in terms of numbers per category.
You're mistaken then. I checked it out for myself, and everything aligns with what Hier showed. Remember, there's a difference between Melee, Spear and Pike units.
It's a game, it's called "balancing" If arrows did the same as javelins there wouldn't be much reason to use javelins since they have less ammo and range.. >.
Sean-Michael Conroy On a battlefield, missiles are thrown upwards and gravity gives them most of their momentum as they come back down. The advantage of the javelin is its weight and the length of the shaft behind the point. It pushes through armor with that weight if it hits at the right angle. And finally, javelins would also make a shield difficult to use if the point lodged itself into the shield boards because of the added awkwardly positioned weight.
Bows in the ancient world weren't very good. These weren't english longbows or composite bows we're talking about here. It was actually widely accepted that slingers were more reliable and generally superior to bowmen(while also avoiding the potential logistical nightmare of keeping bowmen supplied with arrows). Slingshot bullets also had the advantage of being hard to spot. If you've ever heard the expression: "the arrows darkened the sky", you'll understand that in these situations, the infantry on the receiving end probably raised shields and hid beneath them. Slingshot bullets could not be spotted in a similar way, and as a result, it was harder to know when to raise your shields in defense until you saw your comrades getting hit.
Pascal Vézina Yes and no. On a battle field missiles are shot upwards sure, but that doesn't increase their velocity or armor piercing capabilities it actually does the complete opposite because, you know, physics. The highest velocity will be right after the rock is slung, the arrow is released or the javelin/pila thrown any time after that causes decreased velocity, gravity isn't strong enough on earth to do what you're saying.
Egypt is Ptolemaics or something in the game files so it is technically where it is supposed to be alphabetically in the faction list. I am pretty sure Heir is just going down the list so perhaps he won't notice that Egypt is between Pontus and Rome til then.
Because the game is called Rome, Rome is the basic faction of Rome 2. Which faction do you want then as a punching bag? I think Rome is a good choice for testing.
What daan said, basically. The game is called Rome, and Rome is the dominant military force of the era. Because of their power and diversity, it is one of the most commonly used factions online and is the "default faction." Because his intent is to provide an example of a possible online engagement, Rome is a good choice since it is a very common choice online.
I'm very disappointed in Rome II's take on Epirus (among many factions). I mean, it's remarkable how bland factions like Epirus are. They're essentially just a weaker version of Macedon with elephants.
Heir, have you ever considered being a sportscaster? You have a golden voice sir. Enjoy your videos and commentary. Thank you for your analysis.
Thank you for doing this series, its alot of fun to get insight into factions I might otherwise not have played.
Excellent series.
Epirus and the seleucid empire are my favs
Heir's Faction Focus is awesome! :)
Thx for making these :))))
Epirus are great on semi forest maps and work well against Rome and any barbarian faction, just get pikes, some light flanking units (dogs, axemen, etc.) , heavy cav and lots of skirmishing units and you can pin them to your pikes flank with your dogs or cheap infantry and deal with the enemies cav with yours, finally leave the rest to the skirmishers. Simple
-no one is dump enough to fill an army of archers.
said no eastern general never
dump
FedoraMcTipplestein m' lady
I cant wait for the Carthage upgrade:)
I use Epirus in online battles and won battles with them as well.
I think archers have some what of a role against elephants and being a hybrid.
What I mean by hybrid is that the higher tier archers have heavy shot which gives them a lot more power. This makes them effective especially in the flanks like a lighter javelin unit
So you never actually did Carthage, huh?
*()*
Nice video.Also did you forgot the Belgae?
i used to play as epirus but almost every faction declares war then eventually the romans declared war also but the good thing is that my african war elephant which are mercenary survived almost all conflict even to the macedonians
I'm confused as to which tooltip you would check shield value for missile defense. Would it not be under the Armor tooltip instead of the Melee Defense tip?
I was actually going to say that Little Riv. He is always beating up on Rome, still a great vid, very informative.
Im Epirus is a very good defensive faction.
How long will you wait? CA showed us how much we can trust them in terms what they say and what they present to us. Time is a relative concept too, in the case of games developers even very relative.
And what are your thoughts about the patch 10? Absolute 0 changes in terms of balance.
The Suebi needs a 5 unit update because they are soooooooo underpowderd after the latst 5 patches. They only have epic units, terrible units and good units that are half strength (berserkers). so the are at the mercy of every faction that have good costeffectief units. They have almost no armor and are at the mercy of every strong missile faction. if you go against a missile heavy faction you need to hug the forrest and that is not always an option.
In rome 1 and rome 2 the Germanic faction was my favorite but in Rome 2 they are the absolute underdog of every faction. and that makes me sad.
So Suebi needs more cost effectief units.
PS. Great video Heir
Hey heir just noticed that patch 10 beta is out was hoping you could do a vid talking a little bit about it.
nvm just read the notes nothing worth talking about i guess
Heir, you're looking at the wrong stats. Hover over the armor to look at the shield strength and protection from missiles. The melee defense tab only shows the shield strength in melee.
It would be pretty funny if he got to Sparta and they did a unit rooster update for all factions.
how are your pikemen in tight formation? Do you use a mod?
Heir i think you are confusing the shield value on melee defence. It says on description that it has no effect against missiles.. to check that you need to see the shield value on the armor stat
And this is why Rome needs fire pigs to come back
Can you also do in campaign
So Galatia is next... this should be interesting...
Why is Egypt inbetween P and R?
the game files call them "Ptolemaic Empire "
Great Vid. What chance would Epirus have against Rome?
i played a lot as epirus at one point and found myself winning most games
They can hold their own in terms of pikemen, cav, skirmishers and cheap units. They have some great units on the battlefield when put to the test. And most Rome players are cocky enough to run in to your or just do the opposite and take a lot of arrows, javelins and stones all down long. Even they think they are great in attack or great in defence.
This faction is great for flanking while your pikes take a beating, you can pick off at them with cheap melee units and skirmishers or use your cav to immobilize them.
like epirus :}
Sweat is shock cav and how is it different from me lee cav?
where is the article that detales the unit drop for carthage
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-19-rome-2-killer-camel-dlc-backlash-prompts-rethink-at-creative-assembly
The quote is towards the bottom:
"They certainly aren't the last and players can expect to see more free content updates. Namely Carthage, whose unit roster can expect new reinforcements soon.
Thanks for the URL!
Now that you can't stop looking at your nose in front of you, it's a good time to remember that you are now manually breathing, and blinking. Mmm mcdonalds, Frenchfries, cheeseburgers, greecy, juicy cheeseburgers. Hey how do you like being itchy. Ooh soda. Just imagine eating a whole mouthful of those salty Frenchfries btw.
One question do ally elephants/chariots deal damage to your own troops? it's just I see them getting knocked over allot.
Chariots, no, but elephants can really damage your units if they go berserk and your units are too close to them
MrBwort1 cheers man don't need to worry about running my own troops over :)
I just started a campaign with Epirus and they have way more units than this. im talking 6 or 7 Melee infantry. Confused??? In fact i actually compared them to the Romans in terms of numbers per category.
You're mistaken then. I checked it out for myself, and everything aligns with what Hier showed. Remember, there's a difference between Melee, Spear and Pike units.
Yeah i know but i definitely have way more units. I checked it again. I don't have Mods or anything. Strange...
When you log onto you campaign again, write down a list of these units you speak of and tell me them.
I feel bad, that was my friend request
Anybody got a link to the article he mentioned at the beginning of the video.
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-19-rome-2-killer-camel-dlc-backlash-prompts-rethink-at-creative-assembly
GreekAsianGaming Thanks!
Remember that Egypt is the only faction that is not in alphabetic order.
I think Egypt is lower on the list because in the game files it's labeled Ptolemaics or something
I leave in Epirus fuck yeah
What is the strongest faction in terms of diversity?
Well Carthage is a pretty diverse faction in my opinion.
Seleucids have loads of variety when it comes to units. they have good swords, spears, pikes, cav and ele.
How does a man-thrown javelin get through more armor than a bow?
It's a game, it's called "balancing"
If arrows did the same as javelins there wouldn't be much reason to use javelins since they have less ammo and range.. >.
Sean-Michael Conroy On a battlefield, missiles are thrown upwards and gravity gives them most of their momentum as they come back down. The advantage of the javelin is its weight and the length of the shaft behind the point. It pushes through armor with that weight if it hits at the right angle. And finally, javelins would also make a shield difficult to use if the point lodged itself into the shield boards because of the added awkwardly positioned weight.
Bows in the ancient world weren't very good. These weren't english longbows or composite bows we're talking about here. It was actually widely accepted that slingers were more reliable and generally superior to bowmen(while also avoiding the potential logistical nightmare of keeping bowmen supplied with arrows).
Slingshot bullets also had the advantage of being hard to spot. If you've ever heard the expression: "the arrows darkened the sky", you'll understand that in these situations, the infantry on the receiving end probably raised shields and hid beneath them. Slingshot bullets could not be spotted in a similar way, and as a result, it was harder to know when to raise your shields in defense until you saw your comrades getting hit.
Pascal Vézina Yes and no. On a battle field missiles are shot upwards sure, but that doesn't increase their velocity or armor piercing capabilities it actually does the complete opposite because, you know, physics.
The highest velocity will be right after the rock is slung, the arrow is released or the javelin/pila thrown any time after that causes decreased velocity, gravity isn't strong enough on earth to do what you're saying.
Pierre C +1
Not sure I'd ever want to take elephants against Nomads - cavalry archers just rip them to shreds
Do i have to buy an update because i cant play sparta?
you need the greek states dlc
Thank you
the next video should have been Egypt...
Egypt is Ptolemaics or something in the game files so it is technically where it is supposed to be alphabetically in the faction list. I am pretty sure Heir is just going down the list so perhaps he won't notice that Egypt is between Pontus and Rome til then.
Italian calvery will destroy stuff
why the hell does epirus have non-mercenary macedonian cavalry??!!
WHERE ARE EGYPT!?
Why do u like using rome as a punching bag in other words why are u always testing against rome
Heir of CARTHAGE
Because the game is called Rome, Rome is the basic faction of Rome 2.
Which faction do you want then as a punching bag? I think Rome is a good choice for testing.
What daan said, basically. The game is called Rome, and Rome is the dominant military force of the era. Because of their power and diversity, it is one of the most commonly used factions online and is the "default faction." Because his intent is to provide an example of a possible online engagement, Rome is a good choice since it is a very common choice online.
because Rome can suck it!
Ma questo video in che lingua é.
+Loris Ciampi (loris_TO) in inglese
I'm very disappointed in Rome II's take on Epirus (among many factions). I mean, it's remarkable how bland factions like Epirus are. They're essentially just a weaker version of Macedon with elephants.