GSL Technology 22 Suppressors - The Trifecta!
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Thanks for the upload, I love everything. 22lr
Got a new Tomcat as a direct result of this channel. Kevin at GSL is happy! The Tomcat really is "The" suppressor for .22 rifles.. We demo it on both the S&W 15-22 and a Ruger 10-22 Tactical.
I'm very surprised by the pillbox. I didn't think it would work as well as it did. But how quiet that 416 was?! Wow!
The pillbox sounds ok from rounds 2-7. The first round fired has bad port pop due to the sealed bore aperture and after the 7th shot the wipe is toast. I bet it sounds good on a bolt action 22 rifle though. It's the 22 suppressor you bust out to talk about it and never really shoot. It's cheap enough to buy for that alone but you won't be shooting it on a small pistol much. Conversation piece and something to experiment with when you source some wipe material and a punch. Hope that info helps!
I picked up the Pillbox Plus earlier this year and I'm very happy with it. I agree, that first shot has a lot of back pressure. I run mine wet with petrolium jelly which works quite well. The Tomcat is next on my list.
Man I ordered a gsl can directly from them 12/21 because of your vid. Thanks guys for info
Found the order, going to black wing in Ohio. I will check on the form3 with the team and see if ATF has cleared it to ship yet, thank you Chris
Is this your first suppressor? You might not know that to ship it the ATF must first approve a form3 or tax free transfer form anytime a dealer sends a suppressor or any other NFA item to another dealer. This form3 isn’t as long as a wait as say a form4 but can still take 6weeks
@@iamKevinKinzer thanks Kevin appreciate it didn't know about form 3
@@nfareview ahhh that makes sense. Didn't know that appreciate it
The Pillbox is just too cool NOT to have. The fact it doubles as a keychain that can hold a couple rounds is cool. I wonder how many rounds of 22lr can fit in it... or 22 short, for that matter.
Just be sure to carry a copy of your NFA tax stamp in your wallet!
@@mikesanservino8306 😆 what if its on a trust? Thats a lot more paperwork.
@@jacksin3323 LOL, running afoul of ATF/NFA /GCA stupidity is going to be REALLY bad news and expensive so I would always recommend that you don't put yourself into that situation. Especially with the imbecile in chief and his minions currently running the show. You don't want to be labeled as a domestic terrorist!
The Tomcat would look sweet on a FN 502. I'm running a GA Resistance 22M on mine it also has a 1.375 diameter but 5" long and takes a wipe.
Can't wait for my gsl woodland. I've waited 13 months now. Makes me never want to buy another suppressor. It's insane since I did a form 1 for a sbs. It cleared in 10 days.
The wooodlands is a great can! I love mine
Hey Adam, why do some people say that wipes suck? I know they are consumables, but it seems like they really help with sound suppression.
The owner of Dead Air says they kill accuracy bad.
@@AlexanderOster wipes are generally used for very specific purposes these days, and that is for very compact cans that are typically employed at shorter distances. All suppressors are engineering compromises dependent upon fulfilling the intended role of the suppressor. You don't play golf with one club and then blame the club for not being perfect for every stroke.
That doesn't change my point. 🤷♂️
@@AlexanderOster something designed to be used at 25 yds and in that may cause the group size to increase from 2 inches to 3 inches (due to wipes) for example, may be "kill accuracy bad" (whatever that is) for some people, but most people can't shoot within that range to begin with unless their firearm is supported, so they will never notice the performance impact of wipes on their shooting. At 100 yds, this may be a different story, but now you are operating a firearm/suppressor outside of its design criteria. A specialty design, that meets its intended purpose is not something for everyone who don't have the same needs.
The audio is dope!
What device and headphones did you use? Just doing research. Thanks!
@@nfareview I used my TV surround sound this time audio. But the recent one with your grandpa's lever gun. I used my ASTRO A20 headphones. 🍻
That is super super quiet I was wondering what kind of penetration would that have have you ever done any ballistic gel shooting with any suppressed 22??
That Tomcat looks like a miniature Gemtech Trek. You can certainly see the lineage between GSL and Gemtech.
GSL designed and manufactured most of Gemtech's cans before 2015 (Greg Latka was the president of Gemtech and chief designer and GSL is his manufacturing company that Gemtech used for their production. Since Gemtech was sold to S&W, Greg has improved on many of the designs from that era as well as developed new designs subsequently.
Doesnt matter now since im waiting on atf approvals on a aries by tacsol, i i would have loved to have a pillbox on my mk4 22 45. May be werd but i think the pill box in a weird way is much better off on the mk4. Weather mine or anyone elses.
How would you say the woodland compares in noise reduction to the ab little bird?
Gemtech (G5-22) doesn't have a problem with the big guy? Same bi-lock patterns? Also, I have a GEM-TECH G5, can it be made serviceable by anyone that you know of? I can see where mine is pinned, so I'm guessing you could drill out the pin and weld The can... or is there a solvent/treatment that can be used on a "non-serviceable" Suppressor in order to Fire rimfire through it? Thank you love your channel!
you could probably see if GSL could service it and turn it into a serviceable can. No idea how much it would cost, but it would be worth checking out.
GSL actually built the G5-22, and every other Gemtech suppressor sold before 2015 in their Jackson, MI facility. Gemtech certainly doesnt have a problem with the production of the Tomcat. The older model G5-22s are almost identical to the GSL Tomcat, since they were made on the exact same machines. The direct thread mounts, and QD flash hiders are compatible with both, and GSL keeps them in stock. As far as turning the Gemtech G5 into a user serviceable can to shoot rimfire through it, I would not recommend it. It would almost required completely destroying the suppressor and rebuilding it. GSL would not do it no, but I'd definitely recommend a dedicated 22 suppressor rather than trying to use a sealed 223 suppressor for 22 also.
I wouldn't bother with Gemtech's customer service. Send it to Ecco Machine and have him rebuild the core if you'd like. He can also make an adapter for better mounts.
First! LOL! Seriously, though... Diggin' your content. Good stuff presented well. Thanks for your work.
[Edit... dang. I think Jordan beat me.]
Great video. Thank you.
What will this channel be called if we ever repeal the NFA?...
The Review Channel 😂
The 0 Probability Alternate Reality Review Channel
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Thanks again, sir. Awesome
Give the ATF a call
The tax stamp pays for the salaries of the operators
@@SifuTimBerkemeier Fun fact. The $200 you mail to the ATF for the stamp gets forwarded to the treasury. The $200 goes into the gen fund, not the ATF.
@@nfareview hahaha thanks, give them a call anyway .
So what does the Treasury do with the shake down tax ?
I had one that was on 12 months when I called they finished not only that can, but 2 others they only had for 4 months.
Fun fact, every time you call the ATF, an examiner has to take time away from approving stamps, to check your progress. Every call delays the process even more. STOP CALLING!
304 days here. Calling does nothing at this point.
How can I convince you to test an Inland Manufacturing PM22 suppressor? I want to get one to dedicate to a Ruger MK4, but I need an experts opinion.
I've never been this early. 👌
Great video. Any chance you might be able to do a video on wipes and how to make them at home. Long live the constitution.
Is the wipe law still the same
First one done!
With so much more internal volume, I wonder why the largest _rifle_ can is rated for the same db reduction as the pistol can.
Law of diminishing returns.
Does it necessarily mean 40db reduced on stingers and cci quiets?
It's kinda like the "your mileage may vary"
With correct barrel length, bullet gr., and ability to cycle, it could be more, or less reduction. I'm taking it like they're saying 40db on pretty much every rimfire correct?
@@clintmullins8670 reduction, is the most transparent way to measure them, and its how GSL rates all of their cans. regardless of what ammo or bullet weight or barrel you are using, if you fire one bullet and get X...then put on the suppressor, the average reduction is X-40 or whatever dB reduction. Many companies spend all their time on dB, but GSL actually spends significantly more time on ensuring POI shift is minimized. I personally think the tomcat does much better sound reduction than the woodland, but a lot of it is very subjective to how the shooter hears the tone.
@@iamKevinKinzer
Right on, thanks for explaining that more clearly 👍 I was having a hard time with it
The reduction with either can is about the best one can get without magic. Mine are so quiet that others beside or behind me hear nothing but bolt clack on the semi-autos and the impact of the bullet. If you use an ablative like RemOil or spray foamy lithium grease you can get the cans even quieter but for what purpose when the bolt noise and bullet impact are louder than your suppressor?
so we can only change the plastic once??
The wipes you can replace at any 07manufacturer FFL as many times as you would like. You just can’t have a “stockpile” of them at once, per the atf guidelines
@@iamKevinKinzer well thats dumb.... glad we get to replace as much as we like though
@@gun_guy1 its pretty silly. our AFT thinks they are saving the world by making sure you dont have spare wipes and that you dont have that 15.5in barrel instead of a 16in barrel. haha.
Can I be an American please? Being English is rubbish. I want the good toys!
Easier here in the UK to get suppressors though, I have one on my 1522.
@@varney2010 I've never tried to get my license, if I'm honest. There's not many gun clubs round here who want new members, so it's hard to get involved. I did a lot of shooting in Cadets, even shot at Bisley a couple of times, but that was years back. I was pretty good (without being a bighead). I still miss the smell of a gun range though. Gun oil and burnt powder...👍
If you love liberty and freedom over “public safety”, personal responsibility over nanny state, and small government, God over State, come on over the pond, this country was built by liberty-loving people seeking freedom in all generations
not too hard as a Brit
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I hate it when people rip off other people's designs. Pretty sure Jeb Burnett created the first "Pill bottle" micro 22 suppressor.
Sorry, Greg Latka was asked to design it for a 3 letter agency and holds the patent on it.
Sweeeet.
Let’s see some griffin armament stuff!
you mean knights stuff? lol
@@shibalseki8818 huh?
GSL and Gemtech seem like they haven't changed anything for 20 years lol. Dead Air Mask for the win
The GSL internals are different and much improved over the Gemtech products. I have an 07/02 and have been shooting Greg's suppressors since the AWC then Gemtech days. Somewhere, maybe in my dealers package, is a chart summarizing some differences
I just received the Tomcat and have been testing it on a S&W M&P 15-22 .22LR rifle. The sound is incredible and the internals are totally unlike any other .22 suppressor on the market. Greg is a genius and if you get a chance to talk to him he will be brutally honest to you about the stste of his products. Kevin at GSL is also very knowledgeable about not only about GSL products but the history of suppressors in America.
@@gsyoung54 Nothing against Phil and Greg's supppressors, gemtech or GSL. But I have a G5-22 which seems to be exactly like the Tomcat. I don't really think their improved internals meter better than a switchback or mask. Not saying they make a terrible product, but I probably stick with dead air and TBAC.
@@shibalseki8818 you might want to do a bit more checking on things before you claim Dead Air Mask as being a better can... both full auto rated and lifetime warranty, GSL Tomcat 40dB reduction, Mask, no published data (the smaller volume of this can suggests a much lower performance in dB reduction than the Tomcat), Tomcat 6.25oz, Dead Air Mask 6.6oz, Tomcat MSRP $425, Mask $449... Perhaps you can explain why you feel the Mask is somehow better?
@@mikesanservino8306 Is there any MIL-STD-1474D test data of the Tomcat? I own the Gemtech G5-22 and a Mask, the tone and sound of the mask is superior in my personal perspective. I don't believe there has been any revisions made to the g5-22 compared to the tomcat. (gsltechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/GSL-Tomcat-Suppressor-Manual-Version-1.pdf) and (www.gemtech.com/media/amasty/amfile/attach/4926b0f357fa714a96ae78af4465a365.pdf)
@@shibalseki8818 Not that I know of currently. That said, we will be doing standard testing on all of the GSL product line over the next year, with ALL variables listed (atmospheric conditions, ammo, firearm, barrel lengths, POA/POI shifts if any, recoil reduction, accuracy/precision data). These will be published on UA-cam and Rumble and we will attempt to be very precise in all aspects of the testing. We believe that our products perform extremely well, but we don't rely on marketing hype but instead on standardization of testing. There are a number of products out there that may look more impressive from a visual standpoint, yet in a performance comparison they often come up short. There are others that tout new technology in order to reduce back pressure, yet their ability to reduce dB is severely compromised. There are good engineering/design methods to reduce this back pressure in the can and at the same time, address back pressure in the firearm itself through adjustable gas blocks, buffer and spring combinations and other inexpensive modifications that are easily done for $10 or less on the AR platform for example and when done, you get much better performance at a much lower price.
Part of the difficulty in discussing suppressors is that due to NFA issues, once you purchase it, it becomes a lifelong item typically, so there is often an owner bias involved in any opinion on competing products. Additionally, there are typically few opportunities for people to make direct comparisons side by side prior or even post purchase so a lot of buys are based on belief in marketing data rather than actual performance. We are trying to address this by presenting standardized testing with our products. There is a testing company out there (Pew Science) in which companies can have their products tested in a standardized way, but the testing costs charged are pretty significant and the company can choose to have the results published or not based on their desire, which makes a bias towards only publishing favorable testing.
So in the end, this is a glimpse into how suppressor companies choose to market their products and the difficulty for the end users to understand apples to apples comparisons. That said, the very best way is to attend shoots in which multiple companies suppressors are all there to be heard/tested. SHOT Show range day is an example of that type of practical side by side testing. Unfortunately those chances are few and far between. Another comparison would by on channels like this in which a knowledgeable host with a lot of suppressor experience reviews cans, however, due to the sound limitations from camera capture and computer/tv playback, you never get a really decent sound to compare. Finally, dB reduction is just one of the design performance criteria; another would be in the frequency of the sound signature which is also extremely difficult to address except in person.
Since 2015 when Gemtech was ultimately sold to S&W, GSL is no longer affiliated in any way with Gemtech so the chances of improvements to that design are probably limited, I would guess.
arghhh
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