Regretting This Purchase: Over Budget And Definitely Not Going As Planned!
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We are no electricians....but lets get into it and see what happens. We want to get this cnc plasma table up and running in the shop.
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Remount the fire extinguisher next to a door. That way if there ever is a fire you do not have to go all the way inside the structure. You can grab the extinguisher, pull the pin, and start to use it as you approach the fire in the structure.
That would be way to logical for the Derby chapter of Fred Karno's circus,( google it).
Agreed! Fire Extinguishers should not be blocked by anything. A clear open path. Can't even place a trash can under the box! 20 years in the Air Force working in Vehicle Maintenance Shops and the importance of quick access to a Fire Extinguishers is the difference between a small fire and a lost building! We had to inspect every fire extinguisher monthly and notify the Fire Department of any defects. The Fire Department would do their monthly inspections to ensure we were in compliance with regulations and inspections. They would also test exit signs, emergency lighting, fire suppression/sprinkler systems, and all of the different alarms. And if we had hazardous materials, they would inspect the Fire Safety Storage Cabinets and Fire Safety Storage Buildings.
And checked / inspected annually.
He coved this on a different video. The box is inset into the wall. However I would have another big extinguisher next to the walk door. At least a 5lb, probably a 10 lb.
I agree, it pains me to see a fire extinguisher blocked off like that!
The only silver lining is that its not the only extinguisher in the shop, there appears to be one by the stairs and another on the opposite side of the shop by the rollup door.
Watching you and Aaron was way more enjoyable than watching TV. Aaron is one true friend and a huge asset to the Dirt Perfect Channel.
The Latin word for electrician helper is
Scapegoat 😂😂
You got that right and I've been the helper.
Just take the "Jumper" off between the "Neutral and the Grounding bar" and now you have your Grounding bar on the left, and your Neutral bar on the right. Of course, by the time you get this, you guys will be all done! Just for your info, I'm an electrician of 45 years in CT.
You watch the video
From an Electrician's perspective, not bad work on your panel wiring. Nice, clean, well organized. :) When I was doing electrical work, the inspector would take one look at the panel, see it was mine and just stroll through the rest of the house without really inspecting much else. He knew I was a perfectionist and he didn't have to worry about whether it was done right or not.
I don't work with the buzz buzz, but I do have to inspect construction work. If during my first inspection it's a mess, I will be looking for everything the every time i come back until they have their house in order. But, if everything is squared away the first time i show up, I will still check the important stuff but I will also spend a whole lot more time asking the guys about how their week has been and what their plans are for the weekend.
Same thing with my inspectors, first one told me on rough ins he looked up at the homeruns if they were neat and tidy he knew the guys had paid attention if they were all over the place he knew he better check.
after awhile you get a reputation for doing good work, I actully got wrote up for a staple to tight on a doorbell run, when I asked I was told I had to find something the office people were thinking you were paying off the inspectors
Same here. I did a rough-in job with my boss one time. I did one side of an office space and he did the other. When the inspector came through, he saw my side first and as he walked through and got to my boss’ side he just stopped and said, “What the f@#$ happened here?!” He was going to red tag the project until I promised that I would personally fix all of the violations before they sheetrocked that afternoon. Having a good reputation with the inspectors is like gold.
Except for the part where he used 12 gauge stripped out of romex to wire a 25 amp circuit. And wired it as 240V. With a bare neutral (not ground).
Same here
Dirt perfect towing, recovery, and electrical, oh, and dirt work!
You and the MBTS always say you are not, in this case, electricians. But then y'all get the work done in a superb fashion. I esp liked DP's tenacity with going through the crawl space and fixing/installing stuff with minimal cursing.👌 Good video.👍
Put a spark in your life, love an electrician.
42:38 should have dropped a metal tray when Aaron turned the switch on 😂😂😂😂
You are so right. The simplest looking job,like starting and moving a vehicle, crane tractor etc. always seems to take10 times as long as it should, especially when you are in a hurry.
Coming out nice and clean guys. No smoke!!💪🤗🇺🇸
I don't know if you have already figured out your phase converter by now. But I installed my own 40 HP phase converter on my new shop last year. I bought a kit from American rotary for $825 where you supply your own motor and it's plug and play into their capacitor box. Saved a ton of money and I can run my 15 HP crane and all my 3 phase welders and other equipment. They aren't very expensive to operate like some people might say. It only pulls about 2400 watts when its just sitting there idling. If you are running it at its max output it does pull a lot of amps from your single phase panel. A little over a 100 amps. But it will supply you with a little under a hundred amps of three phase power. Good luck. Enjoy the projects in the shop.
Hang in there, man. It'll be so worth it. I've had a table for about 15 years now. I use it primarily in my business to cut out replacement body panels for old cars, but it's good for so much more. I can't count the number of brackets, jigs, and tooling I've made, not to mention metal signage, and anything else you can think of.
It will change your approach to designing parts for your projects. Things like cutting square or oval holes in the middle of a plate go from tedious to simple. I've also set up a bracket that holds a Sharpie so I can mark where bends and beads go. This is going to be great for you, trust me.
If you've got any questions, let me know, maybe I can help.
Cheers,
R.
Remove the green bonding screw in a sub panel. Bonded only in the main disconnect.
and install separate ground bar for that new ground wire
Gotta love when a welder gets involved with electricity MBTS definitely knows what not to mess with lol, love the video.
Taking us along to the crawlspace was dedication above and beyond the call!!
Mike, you need to turn the plasma table around 180 deg to put the cable tray against the wall. It will make loading and unloading the table safer
Sorry don’t flow that thought process at all
My uncle had remodeled his house from the ground up. The house was about 40 years old when he bought it. Everything was up to code when he got done for 40 years ago. Wiring up modern lights, ceiling fans, etc. was a pain in the ass with the now out of date two wire electrical in the house. My uncle wanted to update the electrical in the house, but it wasn't feasible due to his age, health, and limited income. When he passed and the house was sold, his children did a lot of work to the house and updated the electrical and plumbing. So the new owner can enjoy the house for many more years.
It sure is a good thing that you had your onsite electrical consultant, Man Behind The Sparky, there to guide your wiring and take any physical "hits to the hand." I'm an electrical engineer for a power company and I just bought myself a box of popcorn to get ready to watch the next foray into your rotary phase converter...should be interesting.....and hopefully not too entertaining. As always....great channel, great content.
Kudos for tackling this chore…. Confident you will figure it out!
Not just Dirt Perfect, but Powerfully Perfect, What a TEAM! Thanks again for sharing 😀, Stay Safe! Fire Extinguisher by exit door.❤
Hows Arrons thumb looked painful, if you were here over in the UK you'd have to get a qualified electrician in and it would have to be tested and certified. Probably a lot safer, plus anything goes wrong its there responsibility. Like the new tow truck, it must have been at least 5 times heavier than the truck is was towing. 👍
You might want to put a water filter on the air line to cutting table since the plasma cutter doesn’t care much for water going through it.
You two are not electricians! 😂. BUT, I don't think there is anything you can't do. You boys are awesome.
*How did I know this ?*
When Aaron asked for a band aid it was going to be a piece of rag, sterilized with engine oil, and wrapped with electrical tape !
@@NAMCBEO nope. Duct tape!
LOL!😂
Hang in there it will all be worth it in the end. And l didn't find the video disappointing at all. Any project with you and Aaron are always very entertaining 😅.
Hello Mike and Aaron. You guys can cut, grid and weld some nice parts, but I look forward to your first cut on this table. Have good days!
Hey if you look on the outside of that valve stem, those are called threads and they sale a plastic or even metal item that when you turn it clockwise tightens around the stem and it's designed to keep air in and foreign objects out..............just playin great video love your guys's content.... keep diggin !!!!!!
Hey, I know the question, Alex! “What is a valve stem cap”
Uhm. He mentioned that in the video.
Fortunately those tires don’t have Schrader valves or he’d still be trying to fill it. They’re oversized valve stems and the caps aren’t as easy to find as a regular cap.
Love the wiring disclosures😂
Sparky here, (IBEW 613) not at all familiar with the plasma table you're wiring, but it might be worth looking into changing the plasma table 3 phase motor, to a single phase motor, rather than trying to provide 3 phase power from a single phase source. Good luck and nice work.
This, much cheaper.
Where your cables cross the floor, you should protect them with "cable ramps"... in the McMaster-Carr catalog. You moved the cutting table out to store sheet steel (?)
Might not be of interest, but you can get automatic drains for compressors (basically an electric valve that you can program to open periodically)
I have on that doesn't require any electrical. Just consists of a small sphere connected to the drain port, There is a float inside that when there is enough water present, it opens a valve and discharges the water until the level drops. Been using it for many years with no maintenance and it still works like new.
I always leave mine open just enough to hear a small amount of air coming out , With the noise compressor makes unable to hear the small amount coming from drain valve .
i knew right in the beginning when i saw that bitty phase o matic you were going down the wrong path, i was screaming rotary dude!
In another life I owned a laundromat, we had a rotophase to operate a few large capacity washer. Basically you have a whole separate system. All your wiring looks great. Can't wait to see the table in operation.
Dang who ever designed the house/addition was a genius. 👏👏
On our air compressor at the shop where we work. It has a electric air valve that drains that everyone's every. 030 minutes or so then all you have to do is run a hose from that air valve outside. And then you just let the air compression run normally, and then all of a sudden, you'll hear this. This, uh, please like a snake sound, it's hissing, and it's just the air valve blowing out the water out of the bottom of your arab compressor
If using compressed air for the plasma cutting gas make sure you have good air filters at the machine. It takes very little oil in the air line to ruin the torch and ihoses. $$$$
220 v outlet needs 10/4 wires. black and red to breaker. White to neutral. Bare ground to grounding lug in panel.
Depends on what amps the machine that’s plugged into the outlet. That is what you need to size wire on. Just because it’s 220v doesn’t determine what wire size.
where did he put a 220v outlet
@ To the right of the panel. Go to time stamp 28:29 That is a 220v outlet.
@ What is weird is a white wire going into the breaker lug.
@@user990077 haha ok i see it now. I guess i zoned out , i just thought it was a 110 outlet for some reason
I enjoy your many videos and your skills with earth moving equipment. I spent a few years helping out as a EO operator in the military. As a 55 year Electrician I couldn’t help but notice a few electrical code issues. One in using aluminum wire the terminations needs an anti-corrosion inhibitor, two no sheathing in a conduit use appropriate connector to transition from cable to just insulated wire in conduit. Many other code violations. An old but still pertinent share; water leak messy floors, poor carpentry work saggy wall door , electrical fire build new house. I seen way to many electrical fires residential, commercial, industrial. I noticed that a suggestion was made to relocate the fire extinguisher near an egress route. Great suggestion. Looking forward to your next video!
As an electrician since 1975 phase converters are expensive, expensive to run but sometimes the only way to make it work. Technic is a learned thing but you did fine, hiring an experienced phase converter electrician might be to your advantage. The 3 phase is worked around and experience might save a bunch.
First things First.... I want a band aid!! (Do you need a hug too mate? 🤣🤣) OK, so why would you peeved with Hypertherm? They are the best plasma cutters out!!
You have to get it working or HR will trim your benefit package. She wasn't happy when you brought it home.
I love that “trim your benefits “
Please please no more time lapse! We miss all the banter between y’all!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻and I love the longer videos
Hope you have everything check out before power on. :) Thank you and have a great day.
Bound and determined to make it work!! Keep digging!!
My man! You got the right guy as I own a CNC machine shop with a pro background in these electrics. What I spy on your wall is a static phase converter. That is a BIG no-no as you probably learned. Hit me up if your electrician desires any pointers as rotaries are rarely set up right. Happy to have a brief convo if it would help.
As a Dirt guy technically you're the Ground Mike! 😂 I do wonder if electrical code, 🤣😭😭🤣 requires watertight fittings, conduit etc because of the fluids in the plasma table? I've wired my own homes and shops and always passed inspections. I had the electric inspector check my work so I'd never have issues with my insurance company if I ever had problems someday. Will Arron be off on workman's comp while his boo-boo heals?😭🤣❤
I'd rather wrestle an angry bobcat than do any type of wiring. Mike, you're fortunate that your crawlspace is concrete. When I was a kid, and when my parents needed something worked on under the house, I was the child who they sent to crawl around in the mud under the house and fix it. I don't want to talk about dead mice. I don't like mice.
Try thawing water pipes under a house trailer The woman had fourteen cats. When I came out Threw my coveralls and the cardboard I was laying on in a pile and burned them
I think you should have made Aaron run the wires in the crawlspace. He would have fit much better. 😂😂. I'm glad you are finally getting something going with your plasma table. I'm sure it's doing great, considering it's 3 months later now.
DP, thanks for the tour of your catacombs. I am glad no dead bodies were found.
Aaron, you get the "Purple Thumb" award! I don't know how many times you have previously received this award.
As a USAF Computer repairman, your wiring looks nice and neat to me. If it looks good, it should work good. I have done some AC wiring for my model railroad layout. It is nothing fancy, but it does work and do what I want.
I look forward to part 2, the completion.
lol me to
Good morning sunshines! I ran the wires when we built our house & I hated doing it too! Not fun at all! Good luck with it! Lol! Much love and respect from Henderson Ga USA
One step at a time. Great progress, but not enough yet.
Have you ran the water line yet?? DP, Gunner, and Aaron, good job! There's more to go. Thank you for sharing
For being what you call 'not electricians,' you guys did an admiral job so far. Kudos to DP and Aaron!
Thanks
Keep telling yourself it’s gonna be awesome 👍👍👍👍
This is only an FYI for those watching... Im not the code police and it looks fine from my house but I believe the screw holes you mounted the box to the wall with are technically the holes used to mount a aux/ additional grounding bar. They are sized, threaded (likely 10-32) and spaced center to center to accept an Eaton (or compatible) ground bar. I believe the correct box mounting holes are the 4 large depressed center ones just off the center of the box. Alternatively you can use the two large depressed "keyholed" ones on the center line of the box.
I believe that box is spec'd to be mounted with 1/4" or larger diameter lags or structural screws to be technically "installed according to mfg. specifications". I dont know if you are in a locality that requires permits or follows codes etc. and I'm not you local electrical inspector, nor do I pay your insurance so take this comment for what's its worth.
You can do attitude is always present even when things are difficult. Great job! A small note not to pick. I'm a electrician, the green bonding screw needs to be backed out since this is a sub panel. Not all jurisdictions are the same though so please don't take just my word for it. Consult a local rep. The general idea is your bonded at only 1 place. The main panel or the meter base. This depends on your local codes. This is very important so when you get your info from a local electrician you will know the correct position of this screw, in or out. Overall great job.
Thanks
You have done a great job maximizing the the shop space as a multipurpose repair facility but, there probably a new separate shop space built into the side of the hill with 12' wide by 14' high overhead doors somewhere in your future to keep all the crazy and necessary hazardous repair and fabrication activities away from the house. I can't wait to see you guys getting this table working. All in good time.
Aaron knows job site antics but he didn't have to crawl around in the dark crawl space Mike so did you buy a three phase converter great video thanks Mike and Aaron
Great to see Aaron back ❤❤
O the memories of the crawl space life. I've done plenty of crawl space and attic Plumbing,HVAC and Electrical jobs in my career. Looks great my friends. Job well done.
Hate that MBTS got a boo boo 🚑, but great video of how to figure this out!
If I wasn’t 5”7 I would make fun of Aaron for tippy toeing to reach the crane controls! Hahaha. Great show guys!
For not knowing what you were doing,y’all did a pretty decent job on wiring up that box.good little video as always.just continue on entertaining us with your antics,I’m always amazed that y’all ever get anything done.LOL.be safe.👍👍👍😎😎😎
"Sparky" is your 'spark of creativity!" Where would you be without his glowing light?
MBTS - Man of boundless energy
DP you are a jack of all trades. I know by now it will be up and running, but if you didn't want to wire it yourself, you could have used an external 3 phase generator until the sparky got you wired.
@26:04 you could put a timber block or a piece of ply behind the box to make up the missing 1/2” - like a small wooden packer 🤷🏼♂️
Since you know the neutral and ground need to be separated in a sub panel by code you're way ahead of most. It's been recommended to me if I replace a 10 HP motor to go with three phase and utilize a VFD, not a rotary phase converter. So hopefully you'll explain the choice of the phase converter.
You're a brave man, to keep the camera rolling!
You need to remove the green bonding screw on the neutral buss. The only place you bond the neutral is at the point of service.
Going to paint those brown so you can say dirt perfect on the boxes. 🙂 Hypertherm is in my opinion the best. I've had one for years. And I use a rotary to drive surface grinders. 3 motors in one machine. It is a easy job. The rotary from 240 home power to gen a 3 phase the one phase has a wild phase that settles down under load. Self-generated.
I only pretend to be an electrician on occasion, here are a few cool things I realized within the last couple years; I always use tandem breakers to save room in the boxes, real wire pulling lube is amazing, and sub panels are required to have dedicated grounding wires. You'll get it going if you haven't already! Cheers, 👍😁
Enjoyed the video guy's a couple of changes to the wiring and you should be in business.
Idea! You should wire in a light point in the compressor room.
You may not be sparkies, but that panel looked nice and clean. Lots of UA-cam machinists have rotary phase converters for their machines. They do a great job. Looking forward to you making some real sparks on that table.
Mike, you got this it wouldn't be right without some kind of a setback.
Mike, that was hilarious. You are trying to get that pipe in the wall. My wife and I caught that. We know why you were smiling at Aaron. You two have got to be one of the TOP UA-cam video makers there is. You guys are awesome, and that is why we love watching your videos. Keep up the good work. Both of you
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, ideas and videos. Good to see some progress on the cutting table. Looking forward to seeing it make noise in the future. Wishing you and your family the best.
Was surprised you didn’t send Arron into the crawl space, plenty of headroom for him, and probably wouldn’t even need a ladder or booster stool.
i know this will be done by the time you read this but you did ok basically you need to remove the green screw out of the neutral bar and remove the tye strap to the other side making it your ground. you will use that table a lot more than you think, nice clean crawl space
Good morning dirt perfect and man behind the scenes 👍🦾👨🏼🏭👷🏻
You should sound proof that cubby when the air compressor is
That’s some really neat electrical work for not knowing how! Well done 🙌🏽
Well, the progress you've already made is amazing! Just keep your cool, ignore the setbacks and take each forward step as a win! Rome wasn't built in a day because of guys like the manufacturer, grrrr! Hopefully you can get out of the shop tomorrow and breathe without hyperventilating. If it rains again, try yoga, lol!
Clearly you are a "dirt" guy but just as clearly you are a "maker". In my years I have found that every tool and every piece of equipment had knowledge locked up in side it waiting for me to find it. To a maker this is the same as a repertoire is to a musician. I have a few pieces I've acquired that were significant game changers in my life and made me see and approach so many projects differently. I have no doubt that the plasma table will one of those for you. Well worth every minute and dime! Can't wait to see what projects come off that table!
I've always believed that you don't have to know what you're doing as long as it looks like you know what you're doing. (works out about 80% of the time)
Where's that leave tRump?
We added a plasma cnc to our shop absolutely game changer we have a Langmuir XR it was plug and play....like everything it is always a pain in the ass we have issues at our shop here in Maine and its constant with machine tool implementation with that it will be awesome for you..
Just dont stick a pair of scissors into the socket to test if its live. One of my five kids did that in my house when they were younger😮 luckily no one was hurt or burned the house down. 😂😂😮
You needed to use anti-oxidization compound on the aluminum wire. Like No-Lox! You also need 3' of clearance in front of the panel.
You need bushings on the conduit, straps, and noalox or deox on the aluminium wire, ground screw on your 20 amp 240 volt receptacle. Other than that, job well done!
I’m sure it’s already done and running just fine. 💪
Hello from Siesta Key Florida
Nice work, I feel Aaron 's pain on the fitting, no feeling quite like that...don't even want to look at your finger!
Use clean Mineral Spirits to put the thumb in and soak for about 10 minutes. This will clean and numb the pain. Old mechanics trick, and it actually works for most all cuts and scrapes.
Patience Grasshopper. You will get there. Enjoyed the video!
Mike this is going to be a great asset to your fabrication work,im constantly amazed at what Clint and the boys manufacture,for their jobs on the table.So think you need to send Aaron of to tech college to learn how machine works ,although Gunner can probably run the computrr now 😅😅😅😅
Have a good weekend guys
Kym
Adelaide
The shelf with the plasma cutter power supply . Hang over the water table . Makes me nervous. My Dad had one like that loaded with books . It collapsed one day . With no one around .
since you wouldn’t listen to me 😂 I was telling you to unscrew the panel from the wall so you didn’t have to fight it so hard 😅Nice clean looking job though
I was wondering where you got your electrical wiring knowledge from, then I remembered you were a general contractor (Light Bulb Moment) a few years ago. Aaron/Mike another good video - Thank you !
Steel plates stored near plastic conduit is not usually done!
Not bad Mike, Your a heavy equipment operator a truck driver a diesel mechanic and now we find out your a pretty good electrician. Well done
I know sparks who can’t do 3phase !! Judging from what I have seen you do across many trades in the past I’m sure you will do fine 👍👍👍👍
Your 3-phase plasma cutter probably has a transformer inside of it, that transformer might have single phase taps. If so, you could totally bypass the need for getting 3-phase power set up by swapping the power in to those single phase taps.