The Grind 148 - Riddles (Kazuya) Vs. Peanut (Little Mac) SSBU Smash Ultimate
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Man Kazuya hitting harder than a character who's basically forced to stay grounded is a crazy concept
Right? It’s criminal that kaz does that much damage and has a good recovery
DLC privilege
Ikr he has more strengths and less weaknesses than mac
@@b-rezk-dos734 I would blame mac being bad more than kazuya being good
@@inevitablesound7465 no arguments there haha
Peanut is constantly going against these absolute GIANTS and getting deep into bracket, the guy's a contender! Way to go for this insane set Peanut!
I suspect he's gonna eventually win a Tourney with Mac, fingers crossed!!
@@americanphonics7023 Absolutely not. Not at any stacked A or S tier tourneys, anyway. Part of why he's doing as well as he even is now is because all the previous top players are playing much worse than the were before offline was first shut down.
By the end of this year when everyone has fully readjusted again, Peanut will just be a fan favorite who gets lucky to make it past top 64.
@@shikarixox1195 You must be the soul off the party
@@pacogv194 I meant it's true. Once everyone is doing better then peanut is going to struggle in stacked tourneys. I mean I don't think he has that good of a chance at making it at ultimate summit 3 though.
@@jagg.h hes just spitting tbh
Little mac vs Kazuya looks like a very painful matchup. Kazuya's effective range is almost the same as Mac's but he gets so much more reward off his combo starters and they usually end with his opponent above him, which is the worst place for Mac to be in.
Very good point, plus it’s super armor vs. “super hit stun”, if you will. One leads to perma-wins in neutral, the other leads to always gaining advantage off a read. 80:20 Kazuya.
*Disclaimer*
My 80:20 prediction is based on standardization and controlled environment. Which all character, not player, or player-character, but simply character predictions are based on. Making them the same level.
As in, a Master Mac player vs. a Master Kazuya player. Which isn’t what we got here, Peanut is a master Little Mac, but Riddles (though he might be the best) hasn’t mastered Kazuya, yet. It’s still too soon, but once he does it’ll a beat down of Little Mac.
@@FatJoesSon mac beats kazuya
Every match up looks like a very painful match up for mac
@@Duck-re3tm wow no one has ever said that before
I think their match-up can go either way, but Mac can't make nearly as many mistakes as Kazuya is allowed to make, and Kazuya has several moves that instantly kill Lil Mac at 70+% in certain situations. 🤔
I think Mac would win more if K.O. punch could be hit confirmed, but I don't think it's been buffed yet.
I’m endlessly a Peanut fan but respect to both players for a great showing
I dont respect Riddles for using a broken character
Ayo the comment was positive to both suddenly the replies are butthurt toxic.
@@diegoluna6325 "braindead" sure dude, cause peanut or most effective Mac mains definitely don't rely on other factors.
@@diegoluna6325 he’s a low tier and he gets played professionally. If professionals can’t handle a few smash attacks from a low tier, then they’re just bad. You sound pretty bad at the game yourself
@@joaquinleyva6869 not only that, but players like peanut don't even completely rely on smash atks. Sure it's very much needed for the usage of them, but grounded tilts and reads are heavily integrated in good Mac players. Also, needed to learn how to recover with a character that manages to have one of the worst in the game.
"Neither one of them really likes platforms all that much"
Peanut's favorite stage is Battlefield lol
These commentators where kinda bad LMAO.
"the read!"
He reacted
Be quiet. All my enemies in tournaments are going battlefield against Mac because they don't know that this is one of his best Stages. I don't want them to find out 😉
@@julianusapostata6677 What makes it so good for him?
@@randomusername1735 you can circle around projectiles. You can setup with downtilt and throw combos on the lower platforms.
Downtilt (if enemies miss the Tag) jump,down air into up smash. That kills Zelda at 70%.
You can backair opponents from lower platforms to get a tech chaseyou can do uptilt up B on the upper platform for easy kills.
...and more but my english is not enough to get deeper :)
I realized something watching all these Peanut vids: all of times he plays matches like this where he loses, but it still captures peoples' attention, which is exactly like the first Rocky movie :D. We're always rooting for you, dude.
Dang, that was a closer game than I thought it would be. If Peanut hadn't missed some of those punches, he would have gotten further
Spoilers!!!!
@@paulmajano maybe don't go in a the comment section before you finish the match lol
Exactly, comments are meant to be about the video. So its obvious that people will discuss what happened.
Yeah he should have dodged his punch, then counterpunch!
@@megamecha100 yeah I know man
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My boy has watch this masterpiece!!
Woag
Ayo it's hungrybox
I guess I'm watching the right videos
1:42 Actual 6-hit Tekken combo
@Gustavo Vasconcelos it is that bs has a lot of hit stun
@Gustavo Vasconcelos You don't realize how much hitstun EWGF has. Also if they don't avoid it in a tournament there's a high chance they can't avoid it at all
@Gustavo Vasconcelos Bro…..
@Gustavo Vasconcelos high chance
@Gustavo Vasconcelos It doesn't matter, my point still stands, EWGF has a ton of hitstun, I'd bet my entire life savings that this is a true combo
6:07 You can literally see Riddle's pulse hammering up his neck
He also tweeted that he is not used anymore to be on bigger tournaments.
You can really see the effect haha
The adrenaline is real!
@@DevelonLP Heck I get the big nervous thumps just playing online sometimes, I can't imagine the pressure at this level of tournament play with money on the line.
This matchup is incredibly stressful lmao
Nice profile picture
What an excellent showing from both players. It is truly a treat to watch a battle between two brawler-type characters who are at their strongest when on the ground. And while Riddles is of considerable skill, there's no denying the unfortunate fact that Kazuya does what Mac can do better along with so much more.
It’s enough to make me wonder if Peanut ever pocketed Kazuya, just how powerful would he be? How much further would he go?
Hmm it's not as simple as simply picking him up as a pocket though. Kazuya neutral is one of the most versatile, technical, and committal in the game. So there would be numerous things that would be foreign for peanut to learn.
@@starter497
I think you’re right, but fundamentally, he shares many aspects of neutral game with Little Mac. Even if the character is more complex to pick up, Peanut has not only the dexterity to serve Kazuya’s kit justice, but his game plan is already very similar to Little Mac, so there wouldn’t necessarily have to be a paradigm shift like there would be with, say, Mii Brawler.
I think the main issue Peanut would have is having fun with the character competitively. It’s a matter of principle. Either way, I can respect it if Peanut doesn’t want to switch to Kazuya, but I would find it very interesting to see exactly how a Little Mac player would optimize him.
@@Aflay1 I personally don't see any similarities with their neutral game besides both having a grounded heavy neutral. It's why many shotos and Terry main struggle with kazuya outside of riddle even tho they are both grounded characters. Only riddles and maybe Ronin are having success with kazuya after transition from shotos/Terry to kazuya.
As a person who use to play a lot of Lil Mac in smash and a kazuya main, I legit see no similarities besides both are grounded fighters. Their ground game isnt comparable because it's just too different.
@@starter497
I happen to see a lot of similarities with their neutral game. I guess you see more of an objective, in-depth picture while I have more of a superficial perspective. The armored attacks, up-special finisher, OHKO moves. In practice, they’re very different, but in approach, Kazuya strikes me as a more complex, vastly versatile version of Little Mac. It makes sense, too. Little Mac is intended to be more limited.
I appreciate your input, given that you’ve played both characters so extensively. You would understand better than me. I only understand them theoretically. Again, I would be happy to see what Peanut can do with Kazuya, just to satisfy my curiosity. I’m surprised you don’t even think the characters are at least a little similar.
I would legit pay to see a Peanut/Riddles FT10
This was one of my most anticipated matchup =D not disappointed!
Yep, good s**t!
Mad respect to Peanut to give Riddles a good fight, the set was extremely entertaining to watch. On the other hand, it's been barely a month and Kazuya looks this scary and not fully optimized. I can't wait to see how the character develops in the meta. Ultimate is just getting started.
damn respect for riddles. still hate kazuya as hell tho, such a f-ing drag to play online. never should've been inroduced to the game
Yeah, I think Kazuya changes the core game in a great way, I just think Mac, Ganon & Bowser need a few buffs now. Bowser likely needs the least, but they need to be pretty close to how explosive Kazuya is now IMHO.
@@seankhanna3843 just because he's a drag for you to play means he shouldn't be in the game? Grow up man
I respectfully differ, Kazuya is more than worthy to be included in the game. A lot of people have enjoyed Kazuya's gameplay, but I get where you're coming from, DLC characters can be a huge pain to fight.
@@seankhanna3843 he is so easily exploited by most top or high tiers, unless you’re playing like incineroar just learn to adapt
Man, this matchup is not nearly as one-sided as I imagined it would be.
EWGF is basically a pocket KO punch.
This honestly seems like such a painful matchup for Mac. I think the fact that it didn't look so one sided just goes to show how good of a Mac peanut is.
@@kikito3850 peanut is obviously an excellent mac, but I really think this has more to do with Riddles not having mastered kazuya yet. He is likely the hardest character to consistently get the inputs you want, and he hasn't been in the game very long. I suspect in time we will see mac getting bodied by kazuya. Huge peanut fan btw
Mac Down-tilt into KO Punch is like EWGF into Kazuya Up-smash
@@literallydeadpool Except d-tilt KO Punch isn't a true combo, like...95% of the time.
EWGF is incredibly hard to release lol. While Little Mac Ko mechanic is "press button to kill at 0%"
Both great players. Every time I see Peanut though…I feel like I’m watching my brother contend. I just can’t help but root for the guy.
Peanuts hands are trembling when he picked up the paper.
You can see riddles heart beat on his neck. All out battle 💪
Maybe they're both high on monster energy
Fantastic read on the roll get up. Like kazuma doesn’t automatically turn around lol.
lol, kazuma
kazuma kiryu
I think he was actually trying to input back up tilt to catch the roll but the autoturnaround just gave him the back tilt lol
still a read
Moshi mosh Kazuma desu
5:49 I love how you can see the crowd’s reaction in the background for our hero Peanut, ggs and respects to both these incredible players 🤙🙏
This match up was fated the moment Kazuya was revealed and I loved every moment of it. GGWP Peanut and Riddles!
I think this matchup is just tough for little Mac. Both fighters need to be grounded to use their best moves. Both get bullied in the air, but only kazuya has aerials that can capitalize. Mac has better frame data and is faster, but kazuya gets more payoff and survives much longer. Mac’s speed makes him harder to keep away from, but in this matchup he can’t avoid playing to kazuya’s strengths nor can he punish kazuya’s weaknesses like other characters
"I think this MU is just tough for LM", you can basically say this for most of the cast
@@caoinhnamkhanh2795 I mean yeah, thanks for stating the obvious
@@caoinhnamkhanh2795 no no, this is relevant because the "pocket" is where Lil' Mac should be doing extremely well, however, this matchup with Kazuya makes clear the places Mac needs obvious help with buffs, without making him too OP.
At the very least, this matchip should be pretty even, but it's obvious Kazuya gets more advantages than Mac, which are both supposed to be "heavy hitters". This is a clear battle that defines the places Mac needs to be improved, specifically.
@@caoinhnamkhanh2795
Except for Ganondorf
@@angry998 yes. Thats what i meant by "most"
I feel like once Peanut has more time against Kazuya players in tournaments, he'll get a better feel for the gimmicks. Still a relatively new character to get used to, and yet Peanut did admirably as he always does.
none of that is gimmick my friend lmao.
But kazuya comes from a real fighter game lmao lucky he doesn't get juggle combos and can't have fight stick to be played with
Lol no gimmicks
I can tell he doesn't have a good grasp of kazuya's weight
@@eugenejohnson1867 yeah what gimmicks if that shits u ur pretty much dead if they can finish the combo lol
Ah man peanut is the goat of smash rn, but riddles is lookin CLEAN
Really? Peanut sometimes dont know what to do and just spam the tilt o F-smash, he is so obvious, and not punish so good.
@UCPXAd6C2dTMDKmi3yVFm9vg shut yo dumbass up this man took games off riddles, peanut is a great player
@@Canela_t Peanut does have his brainless moments, he’s even admitted to it before. But this man can CLUTCH impossible games that no little Mac should clutch. He has three stocked players that will never be three stocked by a Mac ever again. He just had a bad matchup, Kaz is a new opponent he’s possible never played before and he’s op af. He definitely held his own for a Mac main frl
I checked the video this view is dummy hype and get most chaotic view I have ever seen
@@damianthomas6579 More the player made Kazuya op af.
Shoutout to peanut for using mac against such a broken character.
Not only broken, it has everything in his favor the easy combos, the knockback and the damage is fucking insane
Mac has a good mu against kazuya riddles is better
@@user-zy2ts8kn7c mate lol Kazuya is beyond broken
@@dr.derekrobinson1920 Fr. Like i’m not even going to engage in a argument over it, it should be common knowledge.
@@dr.derekrobinson1920 Kazuya is the ultimate scrub destroyer. Anyone who knows how to play the game easily beats him, and it’s common knowledge that riddles is just better than peanut
Big props to Peanut, but goddamn riddles is the king of combos
I never knew I needed Peanut vs. Riddles until now. Two incredible players and this set was hype AF.
It’s crazy bc Riddles def still hasn’t optimized this character fully, but is still an absolutely terrifying force at this point.
This is why I enjoy watching Peanut, and other Macs. They don't have to win the tourney, they just show they can get this far and put up a strong fight until the end. That alone proves their skill and dedication. Anyone can win with a high tier, these guys bring the thunder with the underdogs and make the crowd happy!
1:30 I'm pretty sure this was just Kazuya auto turning, not a real "fantastic read" -rolling from ledge is highly reactable if anything it was a good reaction, but not a read
As gross as that set was at the end, Peanut was really impressive. Have to say the presentation of Smash is pretty much at pro sports level at this point which is awesome to see
Even after many setbacks people are still willing to host these events and there is still a dedicated community to it all which I find incredible.
5:49 I literally yeeted my self off the bed. This match was really fun to watch, just two dudes going at it. GG's to Peanut and Riddles
cracked matchup
Oooooh, I love the Steve Fox vs. Kazuya matchup! Don't remember Steve having black hair though...
Oh did the thumbnail have steve instead of mac?
@@user-qu8eu1dg3f It's an inside joke; there's a boxing character in Tekken named Steve Fox.
@@user-qu8eu1dg3f lmao
JESUS: what was that sick sequence from Riddles at 1:42 😱
This sucks man I would’ve loved for these 2 to fight in grands
The fact is, Peanut never even got 2 stocked. He had a chance the whole time. Really says something about how insane Peanut is
This was the match I have been waiting for: congrats to both for giving a good game.
It’s not the difference of skill, it’s literally the difference in meta
Ps: little Mac needs a buff geeez
Riddles is definitely the better player
It is so insanely obvious how much faster and smarter Peanut is here and yet it doesn't matter because he's playing as Mac and Riddles is playing that Game Shark ass character.
I love how much skill peanut has playing lil Mac and then kazuya just wins by existing lmao. Dlc meta is ass
Awesome set! These two players make these characters look amazing
5:45 Please tell me I'm not the only one who stood up and celebrated. 💚
_Kazuya kills with up-b_
Commentators: omg Sakurai fix your game
_Little Mac kills with up-b_
Commentators: what a great play by Little Mac
mad respect for all the mac players out there.. dude's basically pick dark soul difficulty for a matchup..
0:52 that’s a this dlc fkn broken moan right there🤣
I felt that. Lmao
You know you’re here early when 360p is the highest quality
The way this man said Ontario XD. As a Canadian I’m feeling bad
My old main vs my new main… chills the entire time! So excited to have seen these two play one another
Me too
Peanut is my favorite smash player, I wanted more than anything to see him win...still a good match though.
peanut was fighting an uphill battle kaz is such a purposely overpowered character no shade to riddles but its not really fair for a jab sequence to do 40% and for him to kill most characters in one combo with a great recovery its definitely easier times for tournaments than our old friend little Mac
you DO realize that 10 hit combo isn't even true, right?
@@webbowser8834 yeah but that doesn't stop the jab doing 40 if you are at zero or the spike on down smash being the easiest 2 frame kill move i have ever seen dlc will be dlc
This was an actual man on man fist fight. Both characters hit like a truck.
5:50 I had chills
Everybody here for peanut but I just wanna see riddles playing kazuya sheeeeesh
Me seeing my 2 fave players:
What is this a crossover episode?
6:08 DAMN peanut got him sweating so bad you can SEE his pulse in his throat!
Watching this is like 2 gods fighting each other
This is the result of peanut no being carried by online anymore
Him putting up a fantastic fight and close game against a very difficult opponent character played by a very good player? Then yes, agreed, was very impressive to see Peanut in action here.
Best Little Mac Vs Best Kazuya???? I don't know yet but Riddles might be the best Kaz
*Axiom XL: I am a joke to you?
@@Tacho99 he’s good but riddles is probably just the better player and he’s been doing the fighting game gimmicks for years now
@@Tacho99 I can't say who is better but its very very clear that Riddles usage of EWGF is leagues ahead of every other kazuya right now
@@mobaisi13 i agree. He inputs electric super fast. He punished peanuts jab with it lol. I believe doung fast electrics will be the meta of kazuya. Even if they block it, you just back up, because they literally can't punish it on block or contest it because kaz is fully invincible through the move
Riddles and Axiom, both have very different playstyles, Axiom is much more versatile, but Riddles is definitely the most skillful Kazuya out there, heavy execution from my man Riddles.
Also, Axiom has won a lot of tournaments using Kazuya
Riddles during this be like: Little Mac more like Big Mac cuz im bout to gobble you up
Damn Tekken 7 looks weird after the Steve Buffs.
Watching high level Kazuya play is therapeutic
Commentator when Kazuya kills mac at 90% with a very risky ledge option "This character is just...."
Commentator when Mac kills anyone off one read in neutral at 30% "Bottom tier!! He's so good!! Amazing player!!"
1:40 that combo though!! 👌
It almost seems like Little Mac has way to much of his allocated power put into the KO punch. He kills at such high percent without it.
Peanut has the sheer power of a true main no matter the odds he pushes to reach new heights.
Both that early stock and near comeback last game may be the best shit I've seen in awhile
the difference in power between mac and kazuya is so visable in this match. Mac plays agressive and gets to 80 in a few small combos while kazuya lands a netrual or EWGF and just wins. Crazy
This looks like such a fun matchup to play
Kazuya struggling against boxers, Sakurai got that right too lol
Riddles did not play optimally during this.
Peanut's game sense is insane. Mac doesn't benefit from grabs often, but was still able to counter a lot of Riddle's grabs with his own grab, avoiding longer combos. Honestly insane playstyle from both players.
I actually like this matchup so much as both characters have an intense ground game. 10/10 would watch a FT10 betweem both of them. Great stuff from both players
Peanut being held back by his character
No one is forcing him to use Mac, he wants to so let him be held back
@@TheBomberman122 I think they meant it in a way that Peanut's Mac is being held back by the character's flaws
This matchup is right out of Punch Out - Little Mac is the lightweight underdog boxer taking on a heavier, older, more experienced martial artist with inexplicable supernatural abilities
Peanus obviously the better player.
Good shit Peanut. 👌🏼
This is EXACTLY how I expected this mu to go, super even and loser is who makes the first mistake. I love this
Kazuya wins this.. if you dont think so then you think little mac is at least mid tier
@@free3793 you know, I’m not gonna argue with you. I disagree with you, but it doesn’t matter. Your opinion doesn’t effect my life, and it doesn’t effect my enjoyment of smash bros
Kazuya has more powerful tools and more tools in general at his disposal, but you gotta admit, he played to Little Mac’s strengths, which made for an entertaining battle.
Ultimately, though, Little Mac has less room for error than Kazuya. Even at 0%. Shows just how much work it takes to take a Little Mac this far. That kind of optimization would be terrifying in the hands of a character like Kazuya.
@@littlemacisunderrated412 Chill out its not that serious
@@Aflay1 again, disagree, have a wonderful rest of your day!
Dam this set was isane good punch out vs tekken already sounds awesome. Riddles doing awesome
I’m at this odd place where I’ve owned this game since launch, I’ve unlocked everyone, I’ve beaten the story to the true ending, I’ve dabbled in the spirit boards a bit. Yet, I still feel like I have no idea what I’m doing and I feel like I’m missing something. Lol I think I just need to play more honest. I haven’t played it much since I finished the story and I pick it up a bit every time a new dlc came out. But I still don’t have that one character that I feel really good with. I mean, my highest score in classic mode was a 8.5 intensity level with Mega man. But yet he wasn’t my favorite to play as. He is fun in his own way. Just not as a main fighter. I just realized how much I’m rambling. Lol thanks for sticking it out if you made it this far. 😂
Yea sounds like you just need to keep playing, if your planning on doing competitive don't go on online cause it is not good there if your a beginner lol, just do like smash every now and then like a hour a day or less, and like play against cpus at low difficulty and slowly increase them, within a year you should be like way better I think
It really irritates me to see paid dlc do 25 damage off of one landing aerial and get kill combos when the opponent is at 63
Non dlc characters can also do that
@@mekk-knightsarecool222 I must be playing the wrong character
You have to admit that Kazuya moves are too busted
It's frightening, he has the raw strength of Ganondorf but with reliable combos.
Not really considering most of them are pretty slow
Kazuya is Little Mac + Bayonetta LMAO.
i love how peanut is playing passively the moment he gets the k.o punch and doesn’t even use it for the fear factor
Can we talk about how good peanut is?
He is facing a PGR player who use a very good character with Little Mac, is awesome!!
And obviously Riddles' Kazuya is Godlike is even disgusting to watch that combo game jaja, Riddles is incredible!!
am i the only one bothered by how the commentators kept calling peanut’s reactions “reads” lol
I just love to see two good player fight for the very first time
No matter what happens, seeing Peanut's Little Mac is awesome! Good job for both fighters
I cannot help but root for a Mac. He's fighting for his damn life out there! And he's doing way better then I ever could! Awesome set, Peanut!
Man, Kazuya seems so frustrating to fight against, one interaction can cost a whole stock.
or at the very least, 50%
Not Kazuya, one interaction with Riddles is a stock 99% of the time. He’s very good with kaz because he can do ewgf’s easily continuously which is hard on its own. But I kinda don’t respect him at the same time cuz kazuya is broken as hell and everyone in the community knows that. But ye He is very good with him tho.
Use a sword character
@@Anonymous-tt1cv nah , 1 stock always.
The “ewwww that was disgusting” had me rolling lmao
I main everyone idk these two smash players but like Mac is my favorite smash character to play cause he is a actual fighter
Don't worry little mac! Marss says to just treat Kazuya like little mac!
Considering Marss recently lost to a Kaz(Axiom XL on loser’s side) idk if we takin his advice lmao
Nerf Kazuya's damage output ASAP. We get it he's an epic new character and legend from Tekken. But shit's OP as hell
It’s definitely not op imo, he kinda struggles at getting in and is super hard 2 actually play well
@@mekk-knightsarecool222 lmk if your opinion on this has since changed? lol
This match is literally a custody battle between mom and dad . don't know who I'm voting for
The top tier casual character vs the top tier professional character
Wdy mean by casual? He is a pro player who has been playing ryu since the begginings of SU and switched to Kazuya bc, unlike Peanut he makes good life dicisions.
there’s no way they’re saying riddles “read” that roll bruh💀
auto turn around does a bit of trolling
Please Nerf Kasuya
He’s high tier, hes not broken
@@mekk-knightsarecool222 he's both tho
i love seeing little mac in tournaments. such a unique character that is sadly getting outclassed in every aspect by kazuya dlc
OMG... That Combo at the end of the First Round was So Nasty!!! WOW
Boxers have always been good against Mishimas, this match was thrilling!!
No clue how anyone defends Kazuya or Pyra/Mythra, they’re absolutely broken
DLC
Kazuya isn't broken tho
Try playing Kazuya if you haven't. Possibly the highest skill requirement of any character in the game. None of what you saw Riddles do here is easy.
@@JohnGuyJohn facts so true. I try playing with him,and it’s hard to master combos like the ones riddles displays.