I am SO happy that there is a good, solid channel that primarily debunks the "doctrine of the devils" which is Calvinism.! You are so necessary in this world of the confused. Thankyou! I have been a christian for a long time, been to Bible college and have studied the works of so many commentators. There is nothing quite like READING THE BIBLE IN CONTEXT!. WITHOUT AN AGENDA! You are helping so many Leighton, following in the footsteps of Dave Hunt. KEEP GOING and may God bless your ministry.
There's too many to address, but i will just point out the most obvious ones in my opinion. 1. Jesus didnt die for everybody. Hence, he doesn't love everybody, he is partial (which is sin). 2. God determines who goes to heaven and hell, without giving us the ability to choose. Basically, humans have no free will of choice regarding where they will spend their eternity. That is double predestination. To put it in a perspective, imagine a couple are having a child so that they could punish, torment, torture him forever, and are not interested in him doing the right things, because he wasn't made for that. 3. Perseverance of the saints, or once saved always saved. This teaches that believers are losing the freedom of will after they become Christians. Eliminating the aspect of fear of God which is emphasized so much, because, why fear if you can't lose your salvation? Why does the bible warns us of losing salvaton if we cant lose it?
@@toffix13 "Why does the Bible warn us of losing salvation if we can never lose it?" Where does the Bible say that anyone can lose their salvation? You're going to have to insert salvation into a text to make it appear to say a truly redeemed believer can ever lose their salvation.
@@John-lq7hs nobody chose to lose it... But if salvation depends on our behavior we are hopeless... I believe salvation is by grace through faith... That's the reason why we don't lose it
I am a former Calvinist, God allowed repentance. Now that I have been delivered from it, I have the most difficult time seeing how this is not another Gospel.
The sin of idolatry because the "God" of Calvinism is who the devil would be if he were God, not who God Himself says He is. Different gospel (works based salvation mislabeled as grace), different Christ (one who can't save everyone he wants to), different spirit (religious pride demon), different god (Satan).
it's absolutely a different Gospel. The true Gospel has no power from their viewpoint, it isn't even sufficient for anything without the mysterious miraculous work the God "has to do" before someone can believe... they are Gospel deniers
Just want to say I’ve got 8 hrs blocked out so let’s have at it!! Lol or better let the journey begin. I have sat under Calvinist teaching of some sort for 45 years or so. I would be hearing but never completely understanding. It never made sense. Dr. Flowers is Philip to the Ethiopian Eunuch to me personally! Thank you and am praying I will speak that which I’ve heard!
Calvinism has done an amazing job at coloring the lenses we see scripture through (even for non-Calvinists). It wasn’t until I started reading 3 to 4 chapter at a time and summarizing along the way, based only on what words are actually on the page, did I start to be able to see without those lenses. Romans 9 has become one of my favorite chapters since. I’m so sad I missed the blessings of this chapter for so long.
Hi @@dipperdan5511. That's a good question. Studying the book that verse appears and the context of the book and section will likely shed light on the question.
@@garyleemusic Based on the context it looks like he means he doesn't wish that any of his children would perish. Meaning the church. And of course that makes sense. Then you don't have God going against his own will. Because none of them perish.
Can you tell me then How is it it that some people go to God if it's our choice how is it that the choice is made? what makes it so that people follow him how do we accept him? And how is it that people accept Gods Grace how do people do it?
Jeremiah 18 helped me tremendously in understanding Paul's analogy of the potter in Romans 9 and what the conditions are for either being a vessel of honor or wrath and how it could change in either case depending on what people do.
After reading RC, Sproul and him basically saying that babies don’t all go to heaven. He quoted this from king David Ps. 51:5, “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” But David also was very confident that his dead child is in heaven, because he’s going to see him one day. 2 Samuel 12:23. But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. David was very confident that he’s going to see his son because babies to go to heaven. What an awful thing to teach people, and put that awful trauma on their lives if they lose a baby or a child.
Augustine needed to justify infant baptism so he invented original sin and inherited guilt rather than just a fallen sin nature. Calvin did the same--literally drowned/murdered baptists for disagreeing with him on infant baptism. It really has shaped the majority of ChristianDumb because I don't think I've ever heard a pastor make the case that babies go to heaven using the clearance proof text which says we are spiritually alive when we are born and only die when we willfully sin. Babies cannot go to hell because they have no sin to send them there. But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. Romans 7:8-11 ESV
@@tannerfrancisco8759 Wow, yes. Sin operates through commandments, or the defying of them. Even the definition of sin is to miss the mark. If you do not know the command, you cannot be held responsible. Accountability is found in knowledge. Jesus said, if you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin. But because you say "We can see," therefore you have the guilt of sin.
"First we may call this doctrine(Calvinism) a novelty, seeing that for the first four hundred years after christ there is no mention of it. The first foundations for it were in the writings of Augustine, who, in his warring against Pelagius, let fall some expressions which some have unhappily picked up to the establishment of this error." Robert Barclay
Sproul needed Calvinists to frame his thinking before reading Romans 9. So instead of exegeting Romans 9 immediately, Sproul spent many paragraphs framing word definitions and framing other views with caricatures so that he biases the reader. One, Sproul says it's your human nature that rebels against Calvinistic doctrine and interpretation (without acknowledging Determinism means God made you hate it. Leighton does a great job of pointing to the Holy Spirit as being able to inform your conscience from the opening chapters of Romans). Further, Sproul appeals to authorities so that little ol me and others who don't have those academic credentials feel small and desire to be included in the aura of the big boys. In the end, if "it's so obvious and clear" as Sproul claimed, why the put downs? Why does Sproul need to punch down? Why doesn't the truth and the effectual work of God do it by plainly stating the truth? Clearly, his words and the method do not add up together.
What I’m beginning to learn is that, because of their compatablism, Calvinists keep using language that we all agree with yet which contradicts their soteriology. “The people of the city had hardened themselves.” Well that’s not actually true according to consistent Calvinists, they think God effectually caused them to be hardened for a reason known only to God. But they keep using this freedom language. I think that’s a lot of the reason why a lot of Calvinists call themselves that. I think the layman Calvinist kind of sees Calvinism as merely the denomination which really puts man in his lowly place and lifts up God. But they don’t really know the underlying beliefs because their leading scholars keep using this freedom language. There’s nothing in the Bible that says you must use this compatablistic language. So just please stop. Say what you really mean so we can really dissect it.
I really appreciate this channel! Don't stop because Calvinists think you are just being critical.. that's all I've seen calvinists do on SM. Anyone who is not a calvinist is inferior. As a recovering calvinist, I struggle to not see election in certain passages of scripture (ie Ephesians 1) but by God's grace I am now at a church that teaches we are saved by grace through faith and God loves everyone and wants none to perish and all to believe in Jesus. From my experience Calvinists are not good evangelists (partly why I left) because they can't say will you accept Jesus, or Jesus died for your sins, or Jesus loves you..in their doctrine none of these are true if God didn't choose to save you.
Many Calvinist's remind me of worldly people who (think) they are elite, better than others --- that goes against what JESUS taugt. Elect is never used as a Salvation passage in the Scriptures. elect/chosen for service. Romans (9) - is about Israel - NOT the Gentiles. The answer to Romans (9) is in Romans 11:32 -. If anyone teaching Romans (9) - and does not teach Romans 11:32 also ---- does not know Scripture, or they are trying to deceive.
@@kimberleerivera3334 that's because their counterfeit "holy spirit" is a religious pride demon. That's what the real Holy Spirit discerned it to me to be.
Indeed, many of my friends who came to Christ and who read the word ravenously day and night never came to Calvinism. They all when told about Calvinism said that it was a different god than the God of Scripture or outright started laughing - No I'm not kidding. The only people who come to Calvinism are those who spend years listening to it and in the end, become indoctrinated by it.
@@carlosquinones6336 The difference is that the calvinist doctrine is not biblical. For instance.... I was taught the doctrine of the Trinity. I did my own study. I reached the conclusion that the Trinity is a biblical doctrine. On the other hand... I was taught the calvinist doctrine. I studied it. I came to the conclusion that calvinism is not biblical. Same with the water baptism saves doctrine or works salvation I was taught.... I studied both and came to the conclusion that both are unbiblical. We have access to the word of God. We have the Holy Spirit. We have plenty of great teachers, writers, apologists, etc. We pray for guidance, discernment, wisdom and understanding. I was taught a lot of wrong doctrine. But I also have the ability to sit down and study so I can determine what is in line with scripture.
I like what I heard someone else say. "You might be able to convince the professor or very well learned scholar of the Calvinist view of the elect, but you would never be able to convince a child of it." Calvinism is attractive to the pharisaical elitists. Jesus said that God reveals the truth to the babes, not those who think they are the learned, the scholar, the elite, or those who think they are the "elect" like the Pharisees did.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE TO CALVINIST TEACHING..IT IS SO CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING TO HOW THEY TEACH THE SCRIPTURES..I LEARNED YRS AGO THAT SCRIPTURES INTERPERTS SCRIPTURES. MY PRAY IS THAT THESE PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES..THANKS FOR YOUR LOVE FOR THE CALVINIST. YOU SHARE THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL WITH THEM.
44:00 This is something that I have seen every single calvinist do. They don't understand the nature of God. They think God travels through time. Meaning at a new day, He's experiencing a day for the first time. God is right now at the beginning of time, He is here right now, and He is right now at the end of time and beyond.
Brother Leighton, I owe you and the listeners an apology. At the 32:43 mark you addressed my Superchat. I primarily wanted to show you some appreciation for your gracious approach to ministry and disagreement with other brethren. You most definitely evidence the fruit of the Spirit in your online ministry. I threw in there that I think you don't emphasize the role of the conviction of the Holy Spirit enough also since that's about the biggest area we disagree. It really wasn't the right video for that comment and served as a distraction from the main points of the video. I do apologize for that timing. We do still disagree, but it is a matter of degree. I do acknowledge the obvious work of the Holy Spirit in inspiring the Word, sending messengers, etc. I just really believe the direct, personal, one-on-one, contemporary conviction of the Holy Spirit is an absolute necessity. I'm sure my thoughts are influenced by 55 years of attendance in Pentecostal Churches, but I also believe it is Biblically accurate. But like I said, ours is a a difference of degree, not substantial quality.
As a Missouri Synod Lutheran (LCMS), I don't recall from my Catechism days the stumbling blocks that Calvinism creates through their illogical positions. Thank goodness I never came under the influence of Calvinism. I was taught God is a logical, fair, loving, and just God. I wouldn't want to believe in one that Calvinism presents.
2:38:11 Reformed people see infant baptism differently than the Catholics. They do not see baptism as conferring salvation or regeneration, rather as entrance into the new covenant, an analog to circumcision and entry into the old covenant. They will say the child of the new covenant will have some kind of blessings but need to profess faith before they are considered saved.
@@christophersnedeker2065 Only God can know the heart of the person. Considering they think God already decided who He will save, I don't know that it matters. But baptism doesn't confer salvation, just like it also doesn't in Provisionism. One could also argue that baptism is a symbol of entrance into the new covenant in Provisionism, albeit under different circumstances since it is done once a person believes.
I'm sorry, but right off the bat, Calvinism/reformed theology IS another gospel. I'm tired of people pretending that it is not. It'll lead you to HELL, and currently is leading many to Hell. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions but this is CLEARLY another gospel. Calvinists and Reformed people are NOT our brothers. They are the enemy. If the best argument for their case is, "We'll never be able to understand God's plan of election" while people are using and showing Scripture explaining that Calvinism and predestination is false, then that's nonsense and what the Jews did to the Apostles in the early Church and tried to kill them for it. They are lost sheep that need to be saved. They are NOT brothers and sisters. We're called to ALL believe the exact same things, being of the same body, the same mind, and of ONE accord. We cannot do that with different thoughts. How are you gonna be of one mind with different thoughts and beliefs?? All these Calvinist teachers are false teachers leading MANY to Hell. Many are not turning to God because they do not believe they are part of the elect. THAT IS A DAMNING HERESY. They need to be put down and rebuked publicly for the sake of the listener.
"Many are not turning to God because they do not believe they are part of the elect" That would be called a misapplication of Calvinism, not a rebuttal of it.
@castropianoforte that's not a misapplication if that's literally the building block of what Calvinism is. That God picks and chooses and it doesn't matter what you think or believe or do.
Salvation depends on Gods grace alone, but God has promised that "whosoever believes in me" will inherit eternal life. God predetermined who would have eternal life, those who repent and believe. It is all Gods decree, faithfulness, and provision.
The predestination is completely about the IMAGE. Adam was created in God's image, and then he lost it. He is the only human being that was created in God's image, everyone else was created in Adam's fallen image. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Do you see what is predestined? To be conformed TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON! This is why Jesus Christ is called the last Adam. Now ponder how this ties with Jesus Christ being called the first fruits. 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. It is obvious to me that when you understand Scriptures correctly you don't walk away feeling confused and subpar, but when you embrace TULIP you can't escape it.
Just a small correction to your statement at 15:00 It's not whether God CAN make you love him because of course he can. It's whether God is willing to make you love him. I know it's a little bit nit picky but your oponents are going to pick those nits. God bless brother.
That is correct in Calvinism. And of course - where Calvin's god does not will you to love him - it follows he wills you to not love him. For example - he has decreed you to infallibly hate him.
@@labsquadmedia176 Yes! And the Atheist argument "Can god create a rock so large that he cannot lift it" is predicated on a logical impossibility. The answer is NO he cannot. But that does not at all compromise a perfect being - because a perfect being is not expected to do that which is logically impossible. Similarly - he cannot believe [X] to be TRUE and FALSE at the same time.
It seems to me that Dr. Sproul was presenting more of an apologetic for Reformed theology/Calvinism than commentary on the verses. Maybe if Dr. Flowers continues his review of the book we’ll see arguments presented based on his exegesis of Scripture instead of his philosophical position. Use to listen to Dr. Sproul back in the early 2000’s on our local radio station. Had to stop because of his condescension toward those who held to a non-Calvinistic perspective. Such a shame as he seemed to be a really smart man and a good teacher.
Brother Leighton, to the young man that accuses you of not stressing the value of the Holy Spirit in salvation, and I'm assuming this young man is a calvanist, that this young man again, calvinists lack rational thought processes, it's their system that has absolutely NO NEED in the Holy Spirit. What exactly is the Holy Spirit doing in their system, convicting of sin, righteousness and judgment. That is His purpose, but in their system, conviction is IRRELEVANT, no one could choose God NO matter how much conviction by the Holy Spirit, it is ONLY if you were chosen before the foundation of the earth. Only in the provisionist reading of scripture does the work ofthe Holy Spirit matter, conviction and the drawing of Jesus is what leads to broken repentance and submission, it's absolutely irrelevant in the calvinistic system....
28:00 We do what we want because we believe what we believe. We believe what we want to believe. In many cases that means that people have been deceived by the devil to want to believe lies. Then, each time the deceived are confronted with the truth, they can respond one of two ways -- with pride or humility. The depths of Calvinist "scholarship" is due to centuries of prideful men and women digging in their heels when confronted with the truth, to the point the trench is dug so deep as to swallow them up. This is true with any topic of deception, but perhaps none more dangerous than with those topics that twist the Holy Scriptures and pervert the character of the Lord all in the name of claiming to be light and truth. At any point the Lord will accept humble repentance. However, some have wandered into such darkness that even the faintest candle light is blinding such that the only response is for the hardened heart to recoil and spit at the light to extinguish it. When we read "the Lord hardened his heart", it does not mean he reaches in to turn off the light switch after some arbitrary period of grace. It is to be understood as if someone were in a deep sleep in a pitch black room, and confronted with the brightest spotlight. In this analogy, the spotlight caused the recoil, and it is in this very same sense that we should understand "the Lord hardened his heart". We wander after the deception of the devil, choosing freely to put ourselves into such a state that the truth is repulsive to us. Hebrews 3:13 warns us, "But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." What hardened? The Lord? No, the deceitfulness of sin and a pride that inhibits the deceived from repenting.
In the light of eternity I would say if calvinists are right then we would be making God's grace greater than it was. If we are right then calvinists have limited God's grace. I think I would prefer to be judged by God for making His grace greater than it was.
Continually read posts of people devastated by podcasts in support of Calvinism. These mostly babes in Christ, came holding the bad news, that they're sinners, but left never hearing the Good News - that God is the Saviour of ALL people. It's abuse in the most horrific way, to say God loves only a select few, and that He condemns to eternal punishment, prior to birth, and without cause, most people. Calvinism breeds arrogance and cruelty. 1 Timothy 4:10 KJV For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in *_the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe._*
Sproul was brought into calvinism kicking and screaming? And he doesn't like the doctrine? I thought the gospel was good news of great joy. Along with Piper who says he cried for a week, he is not selling it as good news. This is BAD news for most. Because they have been determined for destruction, an eternity of it.
I remember someone asked R.C. Sproul if they were saved, but their mother was not saved, would he know this in Heaven? R C. Sproul stood to his feet and put his head down towards the floor, as he motioned with his lips like he was spitting, and told the guy that the guy would spit on his mother in hell, and be glad she was there! I was horrified! I don't see GOD in that action and speech. I was so hurt, since I had just buried my mom who was killed by a drunk driver. I don't see the LOVE OF GOD in most of the Calvinist I have heard. I don't care what they say. I only care what the Scriptures (say). Not what Calvinists say the Scriptures (teach). For all the Calvinist's know - Calvin could have been a psychopath. No one alive today has ever even met Calvin! If the Calvinists gave GOD and JESUS CHRIST the same amount of GLORY as they do Calvin, they would be all about evangelism! Satan masquerades as an angel of light! What are we suppose to believe that looks like?
I've seen other very inappropriate, unbiblical outbursts from Sproul too. Modern Christianity has been infiltrated by the world's celebrity worship culture.
RC Sproul is surely in hell. He was an egomaniac. As you mentioned Calvin, he was an unrepentant murderer who killed over 160 people--not just Severtus. He beheaded a child for dishonoring her parents, drowned Baptists for disagreeing with him on infant baptism, and slaughtered many more during his reign of terror. Just as the Crusades were fought in the name of Christ, they were not in the Spirit of Christ and neither was Calvin's dictatorial slaughter. We see it throughout history in Calvinism as well and from the gnostics before them. Kill whoever disagrees with you and burn their writings. No real Christian would kill anyone in Jesus name. We'd literally let someone else kill us for Jesus' sake as what happened in the early church. Lots of demons in Calvinism but surely spirits of antiChrist and religious pride demons are leading the packs.
This just shows that not only was RC Sproul wrong with how he interpreted Romans chapter 9, it also shows how he was a sneaky, dishonest, false teacher. It's really sad how many people thought he was a great teacher.
Is there a list of denominations that are TULIP dominant? I have been attending a church that allows membership without subscribing to Calvin's teachings but you cannot be a church leader or small group teacher/leader without being full blown Calvinist. What about ACNA Anglican? That is a denomination I could make a move but don't want to get into same situation.
All reformed and presbyterian church must submit into Westminster Confession and Calvinism. ACNA Anglican submits into 39 articles of faith, but some may subscribe into Calvinism. For anglican church, you can check the pastors personally because they allow both sides to come to this church.
9:39--- Banana 🍌 regularly attacks ppl who aren't Calvinists! She's obviously a Calvinist. She's been rude to me on other channels in the comments sections, she's antagonistic and comes across as very immature (at least Spiritually). I wouldn't fret too much over that person, she trolls.
Correct, Sproul doesn’t represent his opponents well, not even citing quotes or scholars. That was my biggest criticism of Chosen By God. Sproul constantly spoke against what others believed but never once cited a single person or quote.
One reason for that is Sproul claimed it was the "thelogian's prerogative" to arrive at interpretive conclusions that non-theogians couldn't understand. The shear arrogance of the Calvinist position is veiled by emotion. John Piper is the poster child...nobody can argue that Piper lacks passion. He "wears it on his sleeve."
My name is Sam Henry from Durham NC. I think that we put to much clout on those in academia. Remember Pharisees were the the academic of the times and the were wrong and studied the wrong things. Before Luther the priest and the monks were the academic of their times and they were wrong. I never went to a bible college and could see Calvinism is biblically wrong.
"Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hivites the inhabitants of Gibeon: all other they took in battle. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favor, but that He might destroy them as the LORD commanded Moses" (Josh. 11:18-20). God hardened the heart so they should find no favor and so that they could be destroyed. This was His plan from eternity yet he still brought these people to existence knowing they would be destroyed, judged and damned for eternity. Out of the same lump He makes vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor.
@Mindtrap028 Your exegesis is completely out of context of Rom 9. He takes lifeless clay and makes whatever he wants to out of it. Only God has sovereign free will to do whatever he wills and no one can accuse Him of unrighteousness and ask him why.
@Mindtrap028 There is nothing in the text which talks about the potter responding to the clay. He makes whatever vessel for His purpose and plans. He will make a King David or a Pharaoh (vs. 17). Vessels of dishonor are vessels that are fitted for destruction (vs. 22) just like the verse I quoted above. The point of it all is that God is the Potter and people don't like that.
@Mindtrap028 Here is the nuclear bomb verse that destroys this "reaction to the clay" nonsense. 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) The purpose of the Potter will stand! He formed a Judas from eternity but that didn't stop Judas from doing what he did and taking personal responsibility for it. Jesus chose Judas knowing that he was a devil, a vessel fitted for wrath, the son of perdition. God is sovereign and no amount of humanistic teaching will change that.
Hi Leighton, you asked someone if faith was meritorious then why did Jesus die and in QA you stated faith is sufficient. Can you please elaborate? God bless!
So many Calvinist are prideful and arrogant, and they may or may not realize it, but no matter, it's very telling if we have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Can the sovereign God institute free will? Of course. He did it in Genesis 2. He declared His will for was the man not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, yet he allowed man to choose for himself. He also declares free will in terms of salvation in Revelation 22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." He didn't change the process for a couple of chapters by Paul.
am not Calvinist but I have a question. What determines a person's decision making process when they accept Christ ? Is it that they are born with an inherent personality or is it external factors like; experience, that determines their decision making process? I know Faith comes from hearing the Gospel. Some people recieve the faith (seed) and use it to accept Christ, while other don't. Is it because of their "inherent" personality that causes them to do this, or is it experiences that gives a person their personality. And my next question is; if personality is inherent does it mean it is inherited like the way generational curses can pass down? I know God does not create people to born with personalities because we are all born with selfish personalities due to the fall of Adam and also we are born with original sin but all of that gets washed away when We are born again in Christ. But my main question is; are people born with a personality or is personality developed by what they experience?
Where in the scripture that say we all are born with selfish personalities? Remember Enoch, Elijah, Moses and hundreds of other? They were not selfish. The fall of Adam or die in sin doesn't even mean that, but it's out of this topic to talk about it. Your main question's answer is both. This verse may help, I John 4 : 16. Gbu always
@@mrgeorge1888 scripture says we are all conceived in sin. It says we have all fallen short of the glory of God because of one man's disobedience (Adam). Therefore we inherited sin in our blood. That's why we need to be born again to be cut off from that blood line of Adam. Are you born again? This is the Gospel All those people you mentioned earlier had selfishness in them. Each one of them were recorded to have sinned against God at some point in their walk with Him. They were made righteous by faith not because of their good works sir. Paul said that the OT men of God looked toward the promise (Christ) and died in hope of it. If you are saying that they were made righteous because of their good personalities then that's a works salvation and scripture does not support it. They were made righteous by faith in Christ because they looked forward to Him in the future according to scripture. If you say they were righteous because of their goodness you are saying there are two roads to God. But Christ say He is the ONLY way to God. Only faith in Him saves us. Are you are Christian sir? Are you born again?
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo thanks for your reply. So you are saying those who accepted Christ inherited a personality that is not reprobate? This makes sense but I need to pray about it if it is true. Because if personality is inherited then some people are doomed from birth for being born with a persoanlity that Will resist the Gospel. But so far, what you say makes sense. But scripture says all of us are born sinners because of One man's disobedience (Adam). So I believe that everyone is born with a sinful personality but it gets washed away when we are born again. I believe we are all born condemned to hell because of adam sin unless we accept Christ But I think that some people are born a persoanlity that makes them resist the Gospel more than others, is this true? This is why it is important for us to marry the right one too, so the kids would be God's will also. I always marvel that Even Christ Himself could not convince some people of His day (I.e. pharisees and self righteous) so I always wondered if they inherited a reprobate personality I think experience also has a role to play on the development of personality too I just thank God that when we are born again we become a new creation in Him. I'm so grateful for Jesus
@@reynaldodavid2913JoI am very familiar with that parable. But I never heard anyone preach this explanation. But when I started studying the scriptures in detail more this this year, this was the conclusion I came to aswell. You're the first to say what I had already started to conclude about scripture. But I didn't know if to accept it because it sounded like heresy to me since I never heard anyone say this and I didnt know if this idea I was getting scripture was from God or not. But now I realize you have to same conclusion as I did. I will pray to God about this more before I accept it 100% as true. But I greatly appreciate your response though But what you explain sounds similar to Calvinism or maybe I am reading into it too much. It sounds like you're saying God gave us the personality that will accept Him rather than we inheriting it based on the choices of our ancestors? Because the parable says that God was the ONE who planted the good seed. That sounds like He is responsible for us being born with an personality that's not reprobate and the enemy is responsible for the reprobate. So my question is this, how is it that the devil as authority to make some people born reprobate? You also said that the elect were predestined to be saved but based on my understanding of predestination in the scripture, God doesn't predestin anyone to be saved. Predestination always refers to those who are already saved and we who are saved are now predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ. God chose Christ from since the foundation of the world and when we choose Christ at salvation, we are now chosen in Christ. God didn't choose us. He chose Christ. And by faith through the Gospel, we chose Chose Christ and become Chosen in Him. I hope this doesnt sound like a debate because I don't want to debate. I am just sharing thoughts with someone who seems to understand because I don't get to talk about this and these are some questions I have had for a long time
I'm a published systematic theologian. Prior to verse 30, Im still trying to figure out how Romans 9 offers any basis for dominant theology and apostolic revelation. Seriously, when a passage or verse begins by saying: "...and what IF God.... Seriously? "If"?
@@garyleemusic Well, I'm not necessarily sure what you mean, but I would disagree with the idea the Paul is rhetorically stating a "given" as if this "if"... was God's standard M.O.
@@garyleemusic No. My point is that prior to verse 30, most of what Paul is saying, is simply speculative contemplations about things that God may do, or could do. But they don't offer us a systematic or definitive understanding on what God actually does.
@@heyman5525 I agree with this - especially with the language "What if god" etc. That is not a declarative statement. It is a statement of conjecture. But what Paul may derive from a theoretical - may in fact be considered declarative.
Jesus was responding to the preconceived notions that defects is the result of sin (John 9:2). Many people with defects from birth have inspired millions. A birth defect does not determine quality of life, but create a greater hurdle to overcome and excel. “All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.” Gandalf the Grey
I've only recently learned anything about that whole deconstructing faith. Those I saw blamed the view of God being the one who decrees everything even evil and pain and unnecessary suffering as well as the good. They question a God like this and are met with the verse where God says who are you to question God. It's so sad that now they are vulnerable to some other false teaching. I have only seen a few of them but I remember my calvinist pastor defending his views against those "deconstructionists" . Do they all blame Calvinism? I believe deception is everywhere now.
Jeremiah 17:23 But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction. Did God predestinate them to be stiff necked? If so, how could he be righteous in judging them?
If Faith in God merited salvation, then why did Jesus have to die? Many old testament people had faith and God accredited righteousness to them, even though their lives proved that they were not intrinsically holy.
Wow. The Bible is full of allegories and parables explaining spiritual truths . I am sure that most agree with this statement . As Jesus s said to Nicodemus, if you don’t understand fleshly things you will not understand spiritual things. It is very clear to the believer that the Lord is using national Israel, as a example of how the true Israel is saved.. salvation is of the Lord via his election of individuals according to his good pleasure. If one does not see this, it is because the natural man does not understand spiritual things. if you disagree, pray that the Lord shows you the truth. RC Sproul has properly presented the spiritual truth in Romans chapter 9. as one might expect the unbeliever will not see it or understand it because you must be born again from a from above, not by your will, but God will.
RC ever did confirm he had repented and believed on his mans responsibility As we know, Paul told us if any man comes to you with a different gospel. Than what I have preached under you let him be cursed. I met a Young woman She heard the word predestinated in the preaching. And this Presbyterian Church. She now bleaves she is saved Calvinism is in my blame is put a lot of people out of heaven
even only people would learn some basics in philosophy, they would be able to avoid many false doctrines. For instance, learning about the law of non-contradiction... simple stuff but people are lazy, myself included
How can an enemy of God Romans 10 be reconciled to God? Well it goes on to explain later God in Christ was reconciling the world to himself. Which results in justification of life.
I'm not a Calvinist but I have a question about the provisionist veiw of Christianity, if God does infact love all people including the damned and he gives people the free will that can lead them to hell than does that not mean God in his infinite wisdom judges it more benevolent to give those he know will damn themselves the means to do as opposed to not giving them free will/giving irresistible grace. So according to your position it follows that God judged it better that a man should go to provisionist hell then calvinist heaven. Is this your position? That it really is more benevolent for God to let a person be condemned than to violate free will?
Yes, you′re correct. We believe that God deemed it more valuable to let men freely enter into a genuine loving relationship with Him even at the cost of many freely rejecting Him and ending up in Hell than God forcing people against their will (using some spell or love potion that Calvinists call regeneration) just so they will love Him back.
@@gk.4102 but I'd like to ask, if I have free will, is it possible that I could so curupt my own soul that I actually enjoy being in hell? Can hell be hell if I enjoy it?
@@gk.4102 A question about the way you phrased it as "valuable". Valuable to God alone or for the creatures both damned and saved also? I ask is it *benevolent* of God to give free will to those he knows will parish by it?
@@christophersnedeker2065 Nobody can enjoy Hell. As for "valuable", I meant "more important" to God. Of course people in Hell don't want to be there, but justice must be served. God′s justice against sinners doesn't undermine His benevolence. You can't be benevolent and unjust. Also you knowing beforehand that your children will certainly experience sin, pain, suffering, and ultimately death doesn't make you an evil (non-benevolent) parent when you decided to bring them into this world.
@@gk.4102 yes but even all those things of a mortal life are likely nothing compared to hell. But I seriously agree with your statement that you can't be benevolent and unjust. If it is only God who benefits from the damned having free will while the damned are only hurt by it doesn't that validate the Calvinistic notion that God's good is sometimes man's evil? That God has desires for them that are genuinely malevolent? That God gave them free will for his own good at their expense?
People don’t like Calvinism because they do not understand who god is. All throughout scripture it’s clear to see gods sovereignty and man’s responsibility. The moral of the story is our finite little brains will never be able to be understand the mind of god!
What about revelations says the command adas he would be added the plagues in this law and if he takes the words out of this prophecy his name will be blotted out of the book of life I don't think People in the book of love go to heavenTheir name will just be blotted out preaching a different gospel
Calvinism is the most evil teaching I've ever heard of. Thanks for teaching against it. I just wished you didn't make the false teachers sound so innocent. They teach damnable heresies that lead people to Hell.
I believe what he’s trying to do is illustrate how Sproul treats historical figures as having the right doctrine, and then demonizes those who fall short
I have read bank tellers are trained to recognize counterfeit dollars by studying the real dollar! If “Calvinism” is counterfeit doctrine, why not study “Libertarian Freewill Provisionist” doctrine in order to recognize false doctrine? You must not waste time utilizing personal opinion explaining your belief in “Libertarian Freewill”, you must only utilize Holy Scripture!
Thank you Leighton for seeing the simplicity that is in Christ and exposing the intellectual gospel (Calvinism) for the heresy that it is. James White looks like a total fool when he eisegetes the scriptures. Thank you again for proper exegesis
I was a well studied Reformed Protestant Calvinist layman for 30 years and so far I've listened to at least 15 of your videos. Reformed Protestants sort of "tolerate" so-called "5-point Calvinists" (Reformed Baptists, John MacArthur, etc.) because they don't accept what Reformed folks consider the "guts" of Reformed Theology, namely, Covenant Theology. I think your critique of "Calvinism" would be more effective if you didn't focus so much on what you consider the "determinist" aspect of that system and dealt more with the Covenantal aspects of it. For example, as a Reformed Protestant I believed the Covenantal view is what makes sense out of the so-called "warning" passages in the Scriptures. Hebrews 6, for example and many of the parables of the hypocrites that are cast out into outer darkness, etc. etc. are understood as being examples of those that were among the "covenant people," i.e., those who attend church, partake of the sacraments, listen to Law and Gospel preached, enjoy the community of believers and their help and hospitality but who never truly believed. It is quite possible for someone to look, talk, act like true saved Covenant members who aren't truly regenerated, but who aren't. The Wheat And The Tares can be mistaken for one another, only God knows for sure who is and who isn't. The Covenant theological view creates a much more nuanced understanding of the Reformed Faith (e.g. the differences between the Seed Of The Woman and the Seed Of The Serpent; Law and Grace, Israel/Church) and the passages that are so often quoted to support it. Also, if you believe that, in our unregenerate state, we cannot fulfill the commandments of God, then the Reformed believer might argue that Repentance and Faith are themselves "commandments" and so cannot be obeyed by someone dead in sins. That is why both repentance and faith and both said to be Gifts in Scripture. All men are in Covenant with God; for unbelievers, they are in Covenant with God by the fact that they are His creations, and are therefore obligated and responsible to obey Him. Therefore, human responsibility is an absolute reality. In other words, a more nuanced, Covenantal approach to the Reformed Faith would be more effective overall than simply focusing on the "5 Points" which aren't even the guts and substance to the System. FINALLY, when you reason that belief or unbelief was decreed by God and so therefore this takes away from human responsibility, and that being born depraved negates their guilt for that depravity, the Calvinist could argue that this line of reasoning also goes against the fact that Jesus' death was not a choice. Why? Because the Apostles themselves declared that Jesus was betrayed, condemned and put to death according to the foreknowledge and predetermined will of God! Here we have the evil of men (in fact, the wickedest act in human history--the murder of the God-man) and the ultimate good (the self-sacrifice of the God-man to save humanity) both working together according to God's own foreordained plan. It would be absurd to say, therefore, that according to foreordination, Jesus was acting like a robot and had no "free will" to lay down His own life. More nuances, please! God bless you!
Leighton took 3 hours to say faith in Christ does not lead to salvation -- I dont know what this guy is ever talking about- A PhD in theology did not give him biblical truth. Read 1 chapter later --Romans 10:9-11
@@JohnRWaldron Well did you listen past that point or did you shut it off when you heard that because he clarifies after. Basically it’s not faith in God’s existence that saves you but the grace through the means of faith in the death and resurrection. He was making a point. Please pay attention better next time before starting rumors.
It means Jacob (spirit) I love, Esau (flesh) I hate. That simple, God never play favorite. Abraham descendents is not even mean the Israelites (flesh), it means the believers in Christ (spirit). Gbu always
Romans 9 is clear. So is John 6. Stop trying to rationalize it all away. Either you're picked, or you're not. Was Saul a "robot"? No. He was changed. His will was changed. He was moved to repentance. And none of that was of himself.
Why does God decree some Christians to be semi-palegian? It’s for His glory, to demonstrate that even the confused and prideful sinners as you receive the mercy and grace of salvation.
The larger point here is this: Gods grace saves us through faith. Its Gods grace and Gods work in our lives that cause our faith. It is all the work of God - for anyone to think faith is something man reasons or chooses is sadly mistaken.
@@JohnRWaldron Use whichever word you want - gift or conferred, they mean the same thing in this context. You could argue the ability to have faith is a gift given to man through partial regeneration. I would disagree. But not that God makes you have faith. God can show Himself to be faithful, worth putting our trust in Him, but He doesn't zap faith into someone.
God's sovereign election of the redeemed and man's responsibility and consequences in rejection is a mystery of the Faith. It's not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but God who shows mercy. Sinful man is unwilling to choose Christ and will not unless God causes him to be born again. Have you also solved the mystery of the Holy Trinity and completely understand that too? (sarcasm)
I am not a Calvinist........ But overall if you have a problem with RC Sproul.......that's a problem. I know who Leighton Flowers is, and James White crushed him biblically like a wilted flower. But to each their own.
I have problems with Sproul, and all the expert seminarians who sit upon the pontifical stage at Ligonier. Trinitarian, post Millennial White isn't worth any serious consideration.
@@PuppetryInMotion Ok, so you don't believe God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.......That is another whole important doctrine more serious than this......
@@solochristo65 Not my opinion that Trinity is false; it's the Word of God. (Don't mistake me for having an antiChrist spirit - in glory, Jesus is again with God, and is God. It's that there is only One Spirit, the Father, a Holy Spirit, which He gave to Jesus when He ascended back to Him Acts 2:33, and not another god who is a distinctly different spirit, while being at the same time, exactly the same spirit. How does that work? If the two spirits are exactly the same, then God duplicated Himself. Not only wasn't that done in Scripture, God expressly says He shares His glory with no other. SCRIPTURE PROOFTEXTS Apostle John says Jesus is the Advocate ["Paraclete"]. Jesus said He is the Comforter, and the Spirit of Truth, and that the Spirit of He, and His Father, come to live inside us (not a third person). Jesus was humble. When He spoke of Himself, it was almost always "in the third person" (read the woman at the well account, the "He" who provides living water is Jesus speaking of Himself in the third person). He never spoke of "a third person", a duplicate spirit god, only of His Father being a Spirit. You will never find one instance of Jesus praying for He, or His followers, to be united with the three of them, only the two of them. Jesus said repeatedly the only other witness of His ministry was His Father. He and His Father are one. He said His Father's Spirit was upon Him and in Him, not a third person. 1 John 2:1 KJV .. And if any man sin, *_we have an advocate [Paraclete] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:_* John 14:16-21,23 And I will pray the Father, and *_he shall give you another Comforter,_* that he may abide with you for ever; [17] *_Even the Spirit of Truth;_* whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: *_but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you._* NEXT VERSE PROVES JESUS' SPIRIT COMES TO US, NOT A THIRD GOD: [18] *_I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you._* [19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; *_but ye see me:_* … [20] At that day ye shall know that *_I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you._* [21] … *_he that loveth me_* … *_I will love him, and will manifest MYSELF to him._* [23] Jesus answered … If a man love me, … my Father will love him, and *_WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him._* Matthew 10:20 KJV For it is not ye that speak, but *_the Spirit of your Father_* which speaketh in you. 1 Corinthians 6:17 KJV But *_he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit._* Acts 2:18 NASB95 … I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF *_MY SPIRIT_* … 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV *_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_*
It always amazes me that so many Bible teachers miss the whole history of Israel. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and 11 of Jacob's 12 sons were not Jews. Judah was the first Jew. Paul and 11 of Jesus disciples were from the tribe of Benjamin. The House of Israel divorced from the House of Judah hundreds of years before Christ. The word Jew first appears in the Bible after this division after the death of Solomon. Jews are not synonymous with Israel. Now reread Romans with this in mind. Noticing that in Romans 2 Paul is addressing Jews and not Israel and in Romans 9 to 11 Paul is addressing the House of Israel. Adds and changes a lot.
Why would anyone that is a serious Bible student care to listen to anyone that has to consider the intentions of the writer? The Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit and they mean what they say. The King James Bible version already reflects the proper English language and it was done by over 45 people that spoke, read, and wrote Hebrew and Greek fluently. Their work was commissioned by the power of a king. All of the great revivals and Christian accomplishments happened when it was the Bible in circulation. Today's revisionists have redone their work so many times its astonishing that people are ignorant enough to trust them. Read Gail Ripplinger's New Age Bible Versions and if you can in good conscience still use the Bibles of liars, well I don't wish you Godspeed. Jesus Christ is the Word, revere it as you should and abstain from supporting their evil.
I’d highly suggest you search for the video titled “James white Romans 9 exegesis”. He explains exactly why it’s about individual salvation. “The Justification of God” by John Piper is a GREAT academic book explaining why it’s NOT about nations and it is about individual salvation.
No, let's just stay in the Bible and stop reading books by mere men. Romans 9 has nothing to do with "individual salvation". You my friend have been calvinized
@@donreed8378 Are you saying they were saved or that we don’t know? The Bible implies they weren’t saved. Was Ishmael saved? Genesis 16:12 👉He shall be a wild donkey of a man,👈 his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.” Notice how Isaac is considered children of the promise and born according to the Spirit and not the flesh. We also see the apostle Paul state we are not children of the slave women like Ishmael but instead we are children of the free (aka children of the Spirit). Galatians 4:28-30 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say?👉 “Cast out the slave woman and her son,👈 for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 👉So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.👈 Was Esau saved? Paul only mentions Isaac and Jacob in the tents (Esau and Ishmael were not mentioned): Hebrews 11:9 By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. We also know that Esau was an unholy man: Hebrews 12:15-17 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; 👉that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau👈, who sold his birthright for a single meal. For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears. We see Jacob is mentioned to have faith, with no mention of unholy Esau: Hebrews 11:20-22 👉By faith Isaac invoked future blessings on Jacob and Esau. 👉By faith Jacob, when dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, bowing in worship over the head of his staff. 👉By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, made mention of the exodus of the Israelites and gave directions concerning his bones. See how each says by faith? But no mention of Esau’s living by faith. The Bible only tells us he was an unholy man. In conclusion Ishmael and Esau were not saved.
A little bit of Leighton Flowers, and then go to bed with relaxing rain sounds. Thanks brother!
Leighton is a steadfast warrior for the truth. I appreciate him so much.
Which faith?
@@ethanjames1646Try reading the words that are written and then post a relevant comment.
I suppose truth means nothing to you. There are many faiths, lords, Christs, which does Flowers teach?@@JamesBrown-fd1nv
I am SO happy that there is a good, solid channel that primarily debunks the "doctrine of the devils" which is Calvinism.! You are so necessary in this world of the confused. Thankyou! I have been a christian for a long time, been to Bible college and have studied the works of so many commentators. There is nothing quite like READING THE BIBLE IN CONTEXT!. WITHOUT AN AGENDA! You are helping so many Leighton, following in the footsteps of Dave Hunt. KEEP GOING and may God bless your ministry.
There's too many to address, but i will just point out the most obvious ones in my opinion.
1. Jesus didnt die for everybody.
Hence, he doesn't love everybody, he is partial (which is sin).
2. God determines who goes to heaven and hell, without giving us the ability to choose.
Basically, humans have no free will of choice regarding where they will spend their eternity.
That is double predestination.
To put it in a perspective, imagine a couple are having a child so that they could punish, torment, torture him forever, and are not interested in him doing the right things, because he wasn't made for that.
3. Perseverance of the saints, or once saved always saved.
This teaches that believers are losing the freedom of will after they become Christians. Eliminating the aspect of fear of God which is emphasized so much, because, why fear if you can't lose your salvation?
Why does the bible warns us of losing salvaton if we cant lose it?
@@toffix13 if you can lose your salvation, then you already lost it friend
@@aleguitarra Why would you choose to lose your salvation friend?
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"Why does the Bible warn us of losing salvation if we can never lose it?"
Where does the Bible say that anyone can lose their salvation?
You're going to have to insert salvation into a text to make it appear to say a truly redeemed believer can ever lose their salvation.
@@John-lq7hs nobody chose to lose it... But if salvation depends on our behavior we are hopeless... I believe salvation is by grace through faith... That's the reason why we don't lose it
You are never mean, only truthful. Keep it up.
I am a former Calvinist, God allowed repentance. Now that I have been delivered from it, I have the most difficult time seeing how this is not another Gospel.
Which sin exactly did you repent? Of being a Calvinist?
Why, because you don't like that you cannot pull yourself up by your own spiritual boot straps to believe in GOD on you own volition?
The sin of idolatry because the "God" of Calvinism is who the devil would be if he were God, not who God Himself says He is.
Different gospel (works based salvation mislabeled as grace), different Christ (one who can't save everyone he wants to), different spirit (religious pride demon), different god (Satan).
it's absolutely a different Gospel. The true Gospel has no power from their viewpoint, it isn't even sufficient for anything without the mysterious miraculous work the God "has to do" before someone can believe... they are Gospel deniers
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How about we start with
(believing the gospel of man) instead of GOD'S GOSPEL.
Just want to say I’ve got 8 hrs blocked out so let’s have at it!! Lol or better let the journey begin. I have sat under Calvinist teaching of some sort for 45 years or so. I would be hearing but never completely understanding. It never made sense. Dr. Flowers is Philip to the Ethiopian Eunuch to me personally! Thank you and am praying I will speak that which I’ve heard!
Thank you so very much for excellent work and explanation of it! I have been blessed by your teachings of the Word.
Calvinism has done an amazing job at coloring the lenses we see scripture through (even for non-Calvinists).
It wasn’t until I started reading 3 to 4 chapter at a time and summarizing along the way, based only on what words are actually on the page, did I start to be able to see without those lenses.
Romans 9 has become one of my favorite chapters since. I’m so sad I missed the blessings of this chapter for so long.
If God is not willing that any should perish how come he willingly lets them perish?
Hi @@dipperdan5511. That's a good question. Studying the book that verse appears and the context of the book and section will likely shed light on the question.
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Based on the context it looks like he means he doesn't wish that any of his children would perish. Meaning the church. And of course that makes sense. Then you don't have God going against his own will. Because none of them perish.
Yes! And how wonderful Romans 9 is without the deceitfulness of Calvinism!
Free will that a Sovereign GOD endowed the creatures with.
I finally bought The Potter's Promise this week. I wished I had read it along time ago. Aboslutely a GREAT book for this subject.
Can you tell me then How is it it that some people go to God if it's our choice
how is it that the choice is made? what makes it so that
people follow him how do we accept him? And how is it
that people accept Gods Grace how do people do it?
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You will have to ask GOD - because it is G0D WHO chose that those who (believe) HIS GOSPEL OF HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON shall be SAVED.
Jeremiah 18 helped me tremendously in understanding Paul's analogy of the potter in Romans 9 and what the conditions are for either being a vessel of honor or wrath and how it could change in either case depending on what people do.
@@davidarias5648 by Faith. That's what the Word says. It clearly defines faith as not a work.
After reading RC, Sproul and him basically saying that babies don’t all go to heaven. He quoted this from king David Ps. 51:5, “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” But David also was very confident that his dead child is in heaven, because he’s going to see him one day. 2 Samuel 12:23. But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. David was very confident that he’s going to see his son because babies to go to heaven. What an awful thing to teach people, and put that awful trauma on their lives if they lose a baby or a child.
Augustine needed to justify infant baptism so he invented original sin and inherited guilt rather than just a fallen sin nature. Calvin did the same--literally drowned/murdered baptists for disagreeing with him on infant baptism.
It really has shaped the majority of ChristianDumb because I don't think I've ever heard a pastor make the case that babies go to heaven using the clearance proof text which says we are spiritually alive when we are born and only die when we willfully sin. Babies cannot go to hell because they have no sin to send them there.
But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.
Romans 7:8-11 ESV
@@tannerfrancisco8759 Wow, yes. Sin operates through commandments, or the defying of them. Even the definition of sin is to miss the mark. If you do not know the command, you cannot be held responsible. Accountability is found in knowledge.
Jesus said, if you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin. But because you say "We can see," therefore you have the guilt of sin.
"First we may call this doctrine(Calvinism) a novelty, seeing that for the first four hundred years after christ there is no mention of it. The first foundations for it were in the writings of Augustine, who, in his warring against Pelagius, let fall some expressions which some have unhappily picked up to the establishment of this error." Robert Barclay
I been listening to you for about 4 months .
You are well qualified to challenge any of them.
Keep building up the brothers in Christ.
Oooooooooh man!!! Can't want to listen to this! So pumped!
Wonderful broadcast - so clear!
Sproul needed Calvinists to frame his thinking before reading Romans 9.
So instead of exegeting Romans 9 immediately, Sproul spent many paragraphs framing word definitions and framing other views with caricatures so that he biases the reader. One, Sproul says it's your human nature that rebels against Calvinistic doctrine and interpretation (without acknowledging Determinism means God made you hate it. Leighton does a great job of pointing to the Holy Spirit as being able to inform your conscience from the opening chapters of Romans). Further, Sproul appeals to authorities so that little ol me and others who don't have those academic credentials feel small and desire to be included in the aura of the big boys.
In the end, if "it's so obvious and clear" as Sproul claimed, why the put downs? Why does Sproul need to punch down? Why doesn't the truth and the effectual work of God do it by plainly stating the truth? Clearly, his words and the method do not add up together.
Calvinist: “we are definitely MORE humble than you all who don’t agree - one day you may be as humble as we are” 🤣😂
If LF was a medical doctor he would sued for malpractice for not following the guidelines
These snakes don't represent Reformed thought. Anyone who calls Arminians Christians has no clue what historical Christianity is.
@@JohnRWaldronIf you were a therapist you would be sued for being a moron.
Thanks for not being too timid to take on the giants
What I’m beginning to learn is that, because of their compatablism, Calvinists keep using language that we all agree with yet which contradicts their soteriology. “The people of the city had hardened themselves.” Well that’s not actually true according to consistent Calvinists, they think God effectually caused them to be hardened for a reason known only to God. But they keep using this freedom language.
I think that’s a lot of the reason why a lot of Calvinists call themselves that. I think the layman Calvinist kind of sees Calvinism as merely the denomination which really puts man in his lowly place and lifts up God. But they don’t really know the underlying beliefs because their leading scholars keep using this freedom language. There’s nothing in the Bible that says you must use this compatablistic language. So just please stop. Say what you really mean so we can really dissect it.
Thankyou brother for this!!!!
I really appreciate this channel! Don't stop because Calvinists think you are just being critical.. that's all I've seen calvinists do on SM. Anyone who is not a calvinist is inferior.
As a recovering calvinist, I struggle to not see election in certain passages of scripture (ie Ephesians 1) but by God's grace I am now at a church that teaches we are saved by grace through faith and God loves everyone and wants none to perish and all to believe in Jesus.
From my experience Calvinists are not good evangelists (partly why I left) because they can't say will you accept Jesus, or Jesus died for your sins, or Jesus loves you..in their doctrine none of these are true if God didn't choose to save you.
Many Calvinist's remind me of worldly people who (think) they are elite, better than others ---
that goes against what JESUS taugt.
Elect is never used as a Salvation passage in the Scriptures.
elect/chosen for service.
Romans (9) - is about Israel - NOT
the Gentiles. The answer to Romans (9) is in Romans 11:32 -.
If anyone teaching Romans (9) - and does not teach Romans 11:32
also ---- does not know Scripture, or they are trying to deceive.
@@kimberleerivera3334 that's because their counterfeit "holy spirit" is a religious pride demon. That's what the real Holy Spirit discerned it to me to be.
I agree that people don’t come to Augustinian-Calvinism by pure scripture reading. Nevertheless they make this claim.
Indeed, many of my friends who came to Christ and who read the word ravenously day and night never came to Calvinism. They all when told about Calvinism said that it was a different god than the God of Scripture or outright started laughing - No I'm not kidding. The only people who come to Calvinism are those who spend years listening to it and in the end, become indoctrinated by it.
Lol.
@@rohandanielisaac8107 it can also come about from surrounding culture imho
@@carlosquinones6336 doesn’t make it false, but people shouldn’t claim it comes to them from reading the Bible only when in fact it didn’t.
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The difference is that the calvinist doctrine is not biblical.
For instance....
I was taught the doctrine of the Trinity. I did my own study. I reached the conclusion that the Trinity is a biblical doctrine.
On the other hand...
I was taught the calvinist doctrine. I studied it. I came to the conclusion that calvinism is not biblical.
Same with the water baptism saves doctrine or works salvation I was taught....
I studied both and came to the conclusion that both are unbiblical.
We have access to the word of God.
We have the Holy Spirit.
We have plenty of great teachers, writers, apologists, etc.
We pray for guidance, discernment, wisdom and understanding.
I was taught a lot of wrong doctrine. But I also have the ability to sit down and study so I can determine what is in line with scripture.
Thank you for your work.
I like what I heard someone else say. "You might be able to convince the professor or very well learned scholar of the Calvinist view of the elect, but you would never be able to convince a child of it." Calvinism is attractive to the pharisaical elitists. Jesus said that God reveals the truth to the babes, not those who think they are the learned, the scholar, the elite, or those who think they are the "elect" like the Pharisees did.
I learned about Calvin's, Luther's, Augustininian views when I was 17. It was nonsense to me then and it has remained so ever since.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE TO CALVINIST TEACHING..IT IS SO CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING TO HOW THEY TEACH THE SCRIPTURES..I LEARNED YRS AGO THAT SCRIPTURES INTERPERTS SCRIPTURES. MY PRAY IS THAT THESE PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES..THANKS FOR YOUR LOVE FOR THE CALVINIST. YOU SHARE THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL WITH THEM.
Great review! You should do your own Biblical Commentary about Romans 9, answering Sproul. God continues using you Dr.!
A new book is coming out by Jonathan Williams. He has a UA-cam set of videos on Romans 9 and now his book is available. I look forward to reading it.
Leighton is interviewing him soon and it will be on Soc 101
44:00 This is something that I have seen every single calvinist do. They don't understand the nature of God. They think God travels through time. Meaning at a new day, He's experiencing a day for the first time. God is right now at the beginning of time, He is here right now, and He is right now at the end of time and beyond.
Hallelujah, brother.
Brother Leighton, I owe you and the listeners an apology. At the 32:43 mark you addressed my Superchat. I primarily wanted to show you some appreciation for your gracious approach to ministry and disagreement with other brethren. You most definitely evidence the fruit of the Spirit in your online ministry. I threw in there that I think you don't emphasize the role of the conviction of the Holy Spirit enough also since that's about the biggest area we disagree. It really wasn't the right video for that comment and served as a distraction from the main points of the video. I do apologize for that timing. We do still disagree, but it is a matter of degree. I do acknowledge the obvious work of the Holy Spirit in inspiring the Word, sending messengers, etc. I just really believe the direct, personal, one-on-one, contemporary conviction of the Holy Spirit is an absolute necessity. I'm sure my thoughts are influenced by 55 years of attendance in Pentecostal Churches, but I also believe it is Biblically accurate. But like I said, ours is a a difference of degree, not substantial quality.
As a Missouri Synod Lutheran (LCMS), I don't recall from my Catechism days the stumbling blocks that Calvinism creates through their illogical positions. Thank goodness I never came under the influence of Calvinism. I was taught God is a logical, fair, loving, and just God. I wouldn't want to believe in one that Calvinism presents.
Thank you🙏
2:38:11 Reformed people see infant baptism differently than the Catholics. They do not see baptism as conferring salvation or regeneration, rather as entrance into the new covenant, an analog to circumcision and entry into the old covenant. They will say the child of the new covenant will have some kind of blessings but need to profess faith before they are considered saved.
Does that mean all people who die before they can profess faith go to hell even if they're baptized?
@@christophersnedeker2065 Only God can know the heart of the person. Considering they think God already decided who He will save, I don't know that it matters. But baptism doesn't confer salvation, just like it also doesn't in Provisionism. One could also argue that baptism is a symbol of entrance into the new covenant in Provisionism, albeit under different circumstances since it is done once a person believes.
I'm sorry, but right off the bat, Calvinism/reformed theology IS another gospel. I'm tired of people pretending that it is not. It'll lead you to HELL, and currently is leading many to Hell. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions but this is CLEARLY another gospel. Calvinists and Reformed people are NOT our brothers. They are the enemy. If the best argument for their case is, "We'll never be able to understand God's plan of election" while people are using and showing Scripture explaining that Calvinism and predestination is false, then that's nonsense and what the Jews did to the Apostles in the early Church and tried to kill them for it. They are lost sheep that need to be saved. They are NOT brothers and sisters. We're called to ALL believe the exact same things, being of the same body, the same mind, and of ONE accord. We cannot do that with different thoughts. How are you gonna be of one mind with different thoughts and beliefs?? All these Calvinist teachers are false teachers leading MANY to Hell. Many are not turning to God because they do not believe they are part of the elect. THAT IS A DAMNING HERESY. They need to be put down and rebuked publicly for the sake of the listener.
"Many are not turning to God because they do not believe they are part of the elect"
That would be called a misapplication of Calvinism, not a rebuttal of it.
@castropianoforte that's not a misapplication if that's literally the building block of what Calvinism is. That God picks and chooses and it doesn't matter what you think or believe or do.
Amen
Salvation depends on Gods grace alone, but God has promised that "whosoever believes in me" will inherit eternal life. God predetermined who would have eternal life, those who repent and believe. It is all Gods decree, faithfulness, and provision.
The predestination is completely about the IMAGE. Adam was created in God's image, and then he lost it. He is the only human being that was created in God's image, everyone else was created in Adam's fallen image. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Do you see what is predestined? To be conformed TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON! This is why Jesus Christ is called the last Adam. Now ponder how this ties with Jesus Christ being called the first fruits.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
It is obvious to me that when you understand Scriptures correctly you don't walk away feeling confused and subpar, but when you embrace TULIP you can't escape it.
Are commentators part of the "Tator" family?
Just a small correction to your statement at 15:00
It's not whether God CAN make you love him because of course he can. It's whether God is willing to make you love him.
I know it's a little bit nit picky but your oponents are going to pick those nits. God bless brother.
Good point
That is correct in Calvinism. And of course - where Calvin's god does not will you to love him - it follows he wills you to not love him. For example - he has decreed you to infallibly hate him.
@@labsquadmedia176 Yes!
And the Atheist argument "Can god create a rock so large that he cannot lift it" is predicated on a logical impossibility.
The answer is NO he cannot.
But that does not at all compromise a perfect being - because a perfect being is not expected to do that which is logically impossible.
Similarly - he cannot believe [X] to be TRUE and FALSE at the same time.
It seems to me that Dr. Sproul was presenting more of an apologetic for Reformed theology/Calvinism than commentary on the verses. Maybe if Dr. Flowers continues his review of the book we’ll see arguments presented based on his exegesis of Scripture instead of his philosophical position.
Use to listen to Dr. Sproul back in the early 2000’s on our local radio station. Had to stop because of his condescension toward those who held to a non-Calvinistic perspective. Such a shame as he seemed to be a really smart man and a good teacher.
Love these vids
13:12 starts dealing with the text and commentary
This comment should be pinned to the top.
Thank you!
@40:05 the proper understanding of the corporate view of election - worth hearing it again!
Brother Leighton, to the young man that accuses you of not stressing the value of the Holy Spirit in salvation, and I'm assuming this young man is a calvanist, that this young man again, calvinists lack rational thought processes, it's their system that has absolutely NO NEED in the Holy Spirit. What exactly is the Holy Spirit doing in their system, convicting of sin, righteousness and judgment. That is His purpose, but in their system, conviction is IRRELEVANT, no one could choose God NO matter how much conviction by the Holy Spirit, it is ONLY if you were chosen before the foundation of the earth.
Only in the provisionist reading of scripture does the work ofthe Holy Spirit matter, conviction and the drawing of Jesus is what leads to broken repentance and submission, it's absolutely irrelevant in the calvinistic system....
28:00 We do what we want because we believe what we believe. We believe what we want to believe. In many cases that means that people have been deceived by the devil to want to believe lies. Then, each time the deceived are confronted with the truth, they can respond one of two ways -- with pride or humility. The depths of Calvinist "scholarship" is due to centuries of prideful men and women digging in their heels when confronted with the truth, to the point the trench is dug so deep as to swallow them up. This is true with any topic of deception, but perhaps none more dangerous than with those topics that twist the Holy Scriptures and pervert the character of the Lord all in the name of claiming to be light and truth. At any point the Lord will accept humble repentance. However, some have wandered into such darkness that even the faintest candle light is blinding such that the only response is for the hardened heart to recoil and spit at the light to extinguish it. When we read "the Lord hardened his heart", it does not mean he reaches in to turn off the light switch after some arbitrary period of grace. It is to be understood as if someone were in a deep sleep in a pitch black room, and confronted with the brightest spotlight. In this analogy, the spotlight caused the recoil, and it is in this very same sense that we should understand "the Lord hardened his heart". We wander after the deception of the devil, choosing freely to put ourselves into such a state that the truth is repulsive to us. Hebrews 3:13 warns us, "But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." What hardened? The Lord? No, the deceitfulness of sin and a pride that inhibits the deceived from repenting.
In the light of eternity I would say if calvinists are right then we would be making God's grace greater than it was. If we are right then calvinists have limited God's grace. I think I would prefer to be judged by God for making His grace greater than it was.
Continually read posts of people devastated by podcasts in support of Calvinism. These mostly babes in Christ, came holding the bad news, that they're sinners, but left never hearing the Good News - that God is the Saviour of ALL people. It's abuse in the most horrific way, to say God loves only a select few, and that He condemns to eternal punishment, prior to birth, and without cause, most people. Calvinism breeds arrogance and cruelty.
1 Timothy 4:10 KJV
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in *_the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe._*
While RC has some books I have enjoyed, that particular commentary series was quite disappointing.
34:20 I phrase it this way: God does the impossible and unexplainable. He also does the possible and explainable.
He is NOT the god of the gaps.
Sproul was brought into calvinism kicking and screaming? And he doesn't like the doctrine? I thought the gospel was good news of great joy. Along with Piper who says he cried for a week, he is not selling it as good news. This is BAD news for most. Because they have been determined for destruction, an eternity of it.
I remember someone asked R.C. Sproul if they were saved, but their mother was not saved, would he know this in Heaven?
R C. Sproul stood to his feet and put his head down towards the floor, as he motioned with his lips like he was spitting, and told the guy that the guy would spit on his mother in hell, and be glad she was there!
I was horrified! I don't see GOD in that action and speech. I was so hurt, since I had just buried my mom who was killed by a drunk driver.
I don't see the LOVE OF GOD in most of the Calvinist I have heard. I don't care what they say. I only care what the Scriptures (say). Not what Calvinists say the Scriptures (teach).
For all the Calvinist's know - Calvin could have been a psychopath. No one alive today has ever even met Calvin!
If the Calvinists gave GOD and JESUS CHRIST the same amount of GLORY as they do Calvin, they would be all about evangelism! Satan masquerades as an angel of light! What are we suppose to believe that looks like?
I've seen other very inappropriate, unbiblical outbursts from Sproul too. Modern Christianity has been infiltrated by the world's celebrity worship culture.
RC Sproul is surely in hell. He was an egomaniac.
As you mentioned Calvin, he was an unrepentant murderer who killed over 160 people--not just Severtus. He beheaded a child for dishonoring her parents, drowned Baptists for disagreeing with him on infant baptism, and slaughtered many more during his reign of terror.
Just as the Crusades were fought in the name of Christ, they were not in the Spirit of Christ and neither was Calvin's dictatorial slaughter. We see it throughout history in Calvinism as well and from the gnostics before them. Kill whoever disagrees with you and burn their writings.
No real Christian would kill anyone in Jesus name. We'd literally let someone else kill us for Jesus' sake as what happened in the early church. Lots of demons in Calvinism but surely spirits of antiChrist and religious pride demons are leading the packs.
This just shows that not only was RC Sproul wrong with how he interpreted Romans chapter 9, it also shows how he was a sneaky, dishonest, false teacher. It's really sad how many people thought he was a great teacher.
Is there a list of denominations that are TULIP dominant? I have been attending a church that allows membership without subscribing to Calvin's teachings but you cannot be a church leader or small group teacher/leader without being full blown Calvinist. What about ACNA Anglican? That is a denomination I could make a move but don't want to get into same situation.
All reformed and presbyterian church must submit into Westminster Confession and Calvinism. ACNA Anglican submits into 39 articles of faith, but some may subscribe into Calvinism. For anglican church, you can check the pastors personally because they allow both sides to come to this church.
9:39--- Banana 🍌 regularly attacks ppl who aren't Calvinists! She's obviously a Calvinist. She's been rude to me on other channels in the comments sections, she's antagonistic and comes across as very immature (at least Spiritually). I wouldn't fret too much over that person, she trolls.
Correct, Sproul doesn’t represent his opponents well, not even citing quotes or scholars. That was my biggest criticism of Chosen By God. Sproul constantly spoke against what others believed but never once cited a single person or quote.
One reason for that is Sproul claimed it was the "thelogian's prerogative" to arrive at interpretive conclusions that non-theogians couldn't understand.
The shear arrogance of the Calvinist position is veiled by emotion. John Piper is the poster child...nobody can argue that Piper lacks passion. He "wears it on his sleeve."
Did you engage r.c. sproul about that comentary when he is still alive? Because if you havent dont brag about you being correct and r.c. is wrong..
My name is Sam Henry from Durham NC. I think that we put to much clout on those in academia. Remember Pharisees were the the academic of the times and the were wrong and studied the wrong things. Before Luther the priest and the monks were the academic of their times and they were wrong. I never went to a bible college and could see Calvinism is biblically wrong.
Who's the New Testament scholar Bryan guy that Leighton keeps referring to?
I can't even get the last name close enough for Google to correct me.
His name is Brian Abasciano
@@awesomefacepalm nice pfp
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Thank you
@@jesuslovesyou1921 thanks
You are very humble🙂🙂🙂
Sproul was a calvinist first, and a follower of Jesus second
The main problem is r c was post millennial and could not see Israel in the plan of God
Thanks for posting. So true.
I DON'T THINK CALVINIST BELIEVE THAT GOD CALLED THE JEWS FOR HIS PLANES .. NOT OURS
"Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hivites the inhabitants of Gibeon: all other they took in battle. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favor, but that He might destroy them as the LORD commanded Moses" (Josh. 11:18-20).
God hardened the heart so they should find no favor and so that they could be destroyed. This was His plan from eternity yet he still brought these people to existence knowing they would be destroyed, judged and damned for eternity.
Out of the same lump He makes vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor.
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo And you weren't?
@Mindtrap028 Your exegesis is completely out of context of Rom 9. He takes lifeless clay and makes whatever he wants to out of it. Only God has sovereign free will to do whatever he wills and no one can accuse Him of unrighteousness and ask him why.
@Mindtrap028 There is nothing in the text which talks about the potter responding to the clay. He makes whatever vessel for His purpose and plans. He will make a King David or a Pharaoh (vs. 17). Vessels of dishonor are vessels that are fitted for destruction (vs. 22) just like the verse I quoted above. The point of it all is that God is the Potter and people don't like that.
@Mindtrap028
Here is the nuclear bomb verse that destroys this "reaction to the clay" nonsense.
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
The purpose of the Potter will stand!
He formed a Judas from eternity but that didn't stop Judas from doing what he did and taking personal responsibility for it. Jesus chose Judas knowing that he was a devil, a vessel fitted for wrath, the son of perdition. God is sovereign and no amount of humanistic teaching will change that.
@@deanmuhl7417 Does it say they where damned for eternity? Doesn't say anything about what happened to these people after they died.
Hi Leighton, you asked someone if faith was meritorious then why did Jesus die and in QA you stated faith is sufficient. Can you please elaborate? God bless!
Don’t let them sideline you bro. Not all Cs are genuine.
So many Calvinist are prideful and arrogant, and they may or may not realize it, but no matter, it's very telling if we have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Can the sovereign God institute free will? Of course. He did it in Genesis 2. He declared His will for was the man not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, yet he allowed man to choose for himself. He also declares free will in terms of salvation in Revelation 22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." He didn't change the process for a couple of chapters by Paul.
Rev 22.17 doesn't teach free will.
The will is in bondage, as Luther realized.
It must be freed.
He chose Israel to deliver His truth and the gospel that all nations may receive the truth by the hand of His chosen people.
R.C. Sproul gave hints that Calvinism was not what he believed in - in its entirety.
1:45 - Faith does not merit Salvation. This is a primary understanding that counters Calvinism.
am not Calvinist but I have a question.
What determines a person's decision making process when they accept Christ ? Is it that they are born with an inherent personality or is it external factors like; experience, that determines their decision making process?
I know Faith comes from hearing the Gospel. Some people recieve the faith (seed) and use it to accept Christ, while other don't. Is it because of their "inherent" personality that causes them to do this, or is it experiences that gives a person their personality.
And my next question is; if personality is inherent does it mean it is inherited like the way generational curses can pass down?
I know God does not create people to born with personalities because we are all born with selfish personalities due to the fall of Adam and also we are born with original sin but all of that gets washed away when We are born again in Christ.
But my main question is; are people born with a personality or is personality developed by what they experience?
Where in the scripture that say we all are born with selfish personalities? Remember Enoch, Elijah, Moses and hundreds of other? They were not selfish. The fall of Adam or die in sin doesn't even mean that, but it's out of this topic to talk about it. Your main question's answer is both. This verse may help, I John 4 : 16. Gbu always
@@mrgeorge1888 scripture says we are all conceived in sin. It says we have all fallen short of the glory of God because of one man's disobedience (Adam). Therefore we inherited sin in our blood. That's why we need to be born again to be cut off from that blood line of Adam.
Are you born again? This is the Gospel
All those people you mentioned earlier had selfishness in them. Each one of them were recorded to have sinned against God at some point in their walk with Him. They were made righteous by faith not because of their good works sir.
Paul said that the OT men of God looked toward the promise (Christ) and died in hope of it. If you are saying that they were made righteous because of their good personalities then that's a works salvation and scripture does not support it. They were made righteous by faith in Christ because they looked forward to Him in the future according to scripture.
If you say they were righteous because of their goodness you are saying there are two roads to God. But Christ say He is the ONLY way to God. Only faith in Him saves us.
Are you are Christian sir? Are you born again?
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo thanks for your reply. So you are saying those who accepted Christ inherited a personality that is not reprobate?
This makes sense but I need to pray about it if it is true.
Because if personality is inherited then some people are doomed from birth for being born with a persoanlity that
Will resist the Gospel.
But so far, what you say makes sense.
But scripture says all of us are born sinners because of One man's disobedience (Adam).
So I believe that everyone is born with a sinful personality but it gets washed away when we are born again.
I believe we are all born condemned to hell because of adam sin unless we accept Christ But I think that some people are born a persoanlity that makes them resist the Gospel more than others, is this true?
This is why it is important for us to marry the right one too, so the kids would be God's will also.
I always marvel that Even Christ Himself could not convince some people of His day (I.e. pharisees and self righteous) so I always wondered if they inherited a reprobate personality
I think experience also has a role to play on the development of personality too
I just thank God that when we are born again we become a new creation in Him. I'm so grateful for Jesus
@@reynaldodavid2913JoI am very familiar with that parable. But I never heard anyone preach this explanation. But when I started studying the scriptures in detail more this this year, this was the conclusion I came to aswell. You're the first to say what I had already started to conclude about scripture. But I didn't know if to accept it because it sounded like heresy to me since I never heard anyone say this and I didnt know if this idea I was getting scripture was from God or not.
But now I realize you have to same conclusion as I did.
I will pray to God about this more before I accept it 100% as true.
But I greatly appreciate your response though
But what you explain sounds similar to Calvinism or maybe I am reading into it too much.
It sounds like you're saying God gave us the personality that will accept Him rather than we inheriting it based on the choices of our ancestors? Because the parable says that God was the ONE who planted the good seed. That sounds like He is responsible for us being born with an personality that's not reprobate and the enemy is responsible for the reprobate. So my question is this, how is it that the devil as authority to make some people born reprobate?
You also said that the elect were predestined to be saved but based on my understanding of predestination in the scripture, God doesn't predestin anyone to be saved. Predestination always refers to those who are already saved and we who are saved are now predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ.
God chose Christ from since the foundation of the world and when we choose Christ at salvation, we are now chosen in Christ. God didn't choose us. He chose Christ. And by faith through the Gospel, we chose Chose Christ and become Chosen in Him.
I hope this doesnt sound like a debate because I don't want to debate. I am just sharing thoughts with someone who seems to understand because I don't get to talk about this and these are some questions I have had for a long time
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo halelujah, brother.
I'm a published systematic theologian. Prior to verse 30, Im still trying to figure out how Romans 9 offers any basis for dominant theology and apostolic revelation. Seriously, when a passage or verse begins by saying:
"...and what IF God....
Seriously?
"If"?
It’s a rhetorical question.
@@garyleemusic Well, I'm not necessarily sure what you mean, but I would disagree with the idea the Paul is rhetorically stating a "given" as if this "if"... was God's standard M.O.
@@heyman5525 yeah, maybe I don't understand your original post. Are you implying that after verse 30 in Romans 9 is not authoritative scripture?
@@garyleemusic No. My point is that prior to verse 30, most of what Paul is saying, is simply speculative contemplations about things that God may do, or could do. But they don't offer us a systematic or definitive understanding on what God actually does.
@@heyman5525 I agree with this - especially with the language "What if god" etc. That is not a declarative statement. It is a statement of conjecture. But what Paul may derive from a theoretical - may in fact be considered declarative.
Dr. Flowers can you make a video on this verse, it seems to support calvinsm to me, or at least preordained birth defects. John 9:3
Jesus was responding to the preconceived notions that defects is the result of sin (John 9:2). Many people with defects from birth have inspired millions. A birth defect does not determine quality of life, but create a greater hurdle to overcome and excel.
“All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.” Gandalf the Grey
@@martytu20 great Gandalf quote, nice touch 👌!
Adam Clarke's commentary is pretty good on Romans 9.
John 1:9 throws the switch on spiritual darkness
I've only recently learned anything about that whole deconstructing faith. Those I saw blamed the view of God being the one who decrees everything even evil and pain and unnecessary suffering as well as the good. They question a God like this and are met with the verse where God says who are you to question God. It's so sad that now they are vulnerable to some other false teaching. I have only seen a few of them but I remember my calvinist pastor defending his views against those "deconstructionists" . Do they all blame Calvinism? I believe deception is everywhere now.
Jeremiah 17:23 But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.
Did God predestinate them to be stiff necked? If so, how could he be righteous in judging them?
If Faith in God merited salvation, then why did Jesus have to die? Many old testament people had faith and God accredited righteousness to them, even though their lives proved that they were not intrinsically holy.
Wow. The Bible is full of allegories and parables explaining spiritual truths . I am sure that most agree with this statement . As Jesus s said to Nicodemus, if you don’t understand fleshly things you will not understand spiritual things. It is very clear to the believer that the Lord is using national Israel, as a example of how the true Israel is saved.. salvation is of the Lord via his election of individuals according to his good pleasure. If one does not see this, it is because the natural man does not understand spiritual things. if you disagree, pray that the Lord shows you the truth. RC Sproul has properly presented the spiritual truth in Romans chapter 9. as one might expect the unbeliever will not see it or understand it because you must be born again from a from above, not by your will, but God will.
Still waiting for a Calvinist to find the alleged divine decree of God over all things in Scripture.
RC ever did confirm he had repented and believed on his mans responsibility As we know, Paul told us if any man comes to you with a different gospel. Than what I have preached under you let him be cursed. I met a Young woman She heard the word predestinated in the preaching.
And this Presbyterian Church. She now bleaves she is saved Calvinism is in my blame is put a lot of people out of heaven
even only people would learn some basics in philosophy, they would be able to avoid many false doctrines. For instance, learning about the law of non-contradiction... simple stuff but people are lazy, myself included
I'd like to be informed, but I don't have free 3 hours to be still and digest everything on videos like this 😔
I know it’s a lot…. But important issues…. So maybe listen to it a bit at a time and always reflect on scripture……bless you brother
I sometimes listen to these long ones in pieces. When doing that, it also gives you a chance to think on what you've learned thus far.
Speed up the audio. Break up into 20 min sections. Don’t watch TV (if u are). Listen while doing the dishes. Easy peasy.
How can an enemy of God Romans 10 be reconciled to God? Well it goes on to explain later God in Christ was reconciling the world to himself. Which results in justification of life.
I wonder how a semi-pelagianistic horse would look like! Perhaps one of the riders of the apocalypse :P
I'm not a Calvinist but I have a question about the provisionist veiw of Christianity,
if God does infact love all people including the damned and he gives people the free will that can lead them to hell than does that not mean God in his infinite wisdom judges it more benevolent to give those he know will damn themselves the means to do as opposed to not giving them free will/giving irresistible grace.
So according to your position it follows that God judged it better that a man should go to provisionist hell then calvinist heaven.
Is this your position? That it really is more benevolent for God to let a person be condemned than to violate free will?
Yes, you′re correct. We believe that God deemed it more valuable to let men freely enter into a genuine loving relationship with Him even at the cost of many freely rejecting Him and ending up in Hell than God forcing people against their will (using some spell or love potion that Calvinists call regeneration) just so they will love Him back.
@@gk.4102 but I'd like to ask, if I have free will, is it possible that I could so curupt my own soul that I actually enjoy being in hell? Can hell be hell if I enjoy it?
@@gk.4102 A question about the way you phrased it as "valuable". Valuable to God alone or for the creatures both damned and saved also? I ask is it *benevolent* of God to give free will to those he knows will parish by it?
@@christophersnedeker2065 Nobody can enjoy Hell. As for "valuable", I meant "more important" to God. Of course people in Hell don't want to be there, but justice must be served.
God′s justice against sinners doesn't undermine His benevolence. You can't be benevolent and unjust.
Also you knowing beforehand that your children will certainly experience sin, pain, suffering, and ultimately death doesn't make you an evil (non-benevolent) parent when you decided to bring them into this world.
@@gk.4102 yes but even all those things of a mortal life are likely nothing compared to hell. But I seriously agree with your statement that you can't be benevolent and unjust.
If it is only God who benefits from the damned having free will while the damned are only hurt by it doesn't that validate the Calvinistic notion that God's good is sometimes man's evil? That God has desires for them that are genuinely malevolent? That God gave them free will for his own good at their expense?
People don’t like Calvinism because they do not understand who god is. All throughout scripture it’s clear to see gods sovereignty and man’s responsibility. The moral of the story is our finite little brains will never be able to be understand the mind of god!
What about revelations says the command adas he would be added the plagues in this law and if he takes the words out of this prophecy his name will be blotted out of the book of life I don't think People in the book of love go to heavenTheir name will just be blotted out preaching a different gospel
Calvinism is the most evil teaching I've ever heard of. Thanks for teaching against it. I just wished you didn't make the false teachers sound so innocent. They teach damnable heresies that lead people to Hell.
AMEN
Why are you explaining the writing of R.C. Sproul rather than the scripture
I believe what he’s trying to do is illustrate how Sproul treats historical figures as having the right doctrine, and then demonizes those who fall short
Corporate election as you define it is the correct interpretation!!!
James White is Hanna Banana
1:20:00 watching later
I have read bank tellers are trained to recognize counterfeit dollars by studying the real dollar! If “Calvinism” is counterfeit doctrine, why not study “Libertarian Freewill Provisionist” doctrine in order to recognize false doctrine? You must not waste time utilizing personal opinion explaining your belief in “Libertarian Freewill”, you must only utilize Holy Scripture!
Thank you Leighton for seeing the simplicity that is in Christ and exposing the intellectual gospel (Calvinism) for the heresy that it is. James White looks like a total fool when he eisegetes the scriptures.
Thank you again for proper exegesis
If Calvin was right then the Holy Bible is wrong
I was a well studied Reformed Protestant Calvinist layman for 30 years and so far I've listened to at least 15 of your videos. Reformed Protestants sort of "tolerate" so-called "5-point Calvinists" (Reformed Baptists, John MacArthur, etc.) because they don't accept what Reformed folks consider the "guts" of Reformed Theology, namely, Covenant Theology. I think your critique of "Calvinism" would be more effective if you didn't focus so much on what you consider the "determinist" aspect of that system and dealt more with the Covenantal aspects of it. For example, as a Reformed Protestant I believed the Covenantal view is what makes sense out of the so-called "warning" passages in the Scriptures. Hebrews 6, for example and many of the parables of the hypocrites that are cast out into outer darkness, etc. etc. are understood as being examples of those that were among the "covenant people," i.e., those who attend church, partake of the sacraments, listen to Law and Gospel preached, enjoy the community of believers and their help and hospitality but who never truly believed. It is quite possible for someone to look, talk, act like true saved Covenant members who aren't truly regenerated, but who aren't. The Wheat And The Tares can be mistaken for one another, only God knows for sure who is and who isn't. The Covenant theological view creates a much more nuanced understanding of the Reformed Faith (e.g. the differences between the Seed Of The Woman and the Seed Of The Serpent; Law and Grace, Israel/Church) and the passages that are so often quoted to support it. Also, if you believe that, in our unregenerate state, we cannot fulfill the commandments of God, then the Reformed believer might argue that Repentance and Faith are themselves "commandments" and so cannot be obeyed by someone dead in sins. That is why both repentance and faith and both said to be Gifts in Scripture. All men are in Covenant with God; for unbelievers, they are in Covenant with God by the fact that they are His creations, and are therefore obligated and responsible to obey Him. Therefore, human responsibility is an absolute reality. In other words, a more nuanced, Covenantal approach to the Reformed Faith would be more effective overall than simply focusing on the "5 Points" which aren't even the guts and substance to the System. FINALLY, when you reason that belief or unbelief was decreed by God and so therefore this takes away from human responsibility, and that being born depraved negates their guilt for that depravity, the Calvinist could argue that this line of reasoning also goes against the fact that Jesus' death was not a choice. Why? Because the Apostles themselves declared that Jesus was betrayed, condemned and put to death according to the foreknowledge and predetermined will of God! Here we have the evil of men (in fact, the wickedest act in human history--the murder of the God-man) and the ultimate good (the self-sacrifice of the God-man to save humanity) both working together according to God's own foreordained plan. It would be absurd to say, therefore, that according to foreordination, Jesus was acting like a robot and had no "free will" to lay down His own life. More nuances, please! God bless you!
Leighton took 3 hours to say faith in Christ does not lead to salvation -- I dont know what this guy is ever talking about-
A PhD in theology did not give him biblical truth.
Read 1 chapter later --Romans 10:9-11
I’m very confident he didn’t say that. I’m also confident you didn’t listen to the whole thing.
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1:44:20 he doesnt believe salvation should be conflated with faith ....
@@JohnRWaldron Wait, so you thought salvation and faith are the same thing?
@@JohnRWaldron Well did you listen past that point or did you shut it off when you heard that because he clarifies after. Basically it’s not faith in God’s existence that saves you but the grace through the means of faith in the death and resurrection. He was making a point. Please pay attention better next time before starting rumors.
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Faith isn't what saves. We are SAVED
BY GRACE through faith....
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,....
Please listen to Charles spurgeon Jacob I loved but esau I hated. It Is the best explanation of Romans 9 I have ever heard. It is on UA-cam
It means Jacob (spirit) I love, Esau (flesh) I hate. That simple, God never play favorite. Abraham descendents is not even mean the Israelites (flesh), it means the believers in Christ (spirit). Gbu always
Romans 9 is clear. So is John 6. Stop trying to rationalize it all away.
Either you're picked, or you're not.
Was Saul a "robot"? No. He was changed. His will was changed. He was moved to repentance. And none of that was of himself.
Ok then.
Thank you.
Why does God decree some Christians to be semi-palegian? It’s for His glory, to demonstrate that even the confused and prideful sinners as you receive the mercy and grace of salvation.
The larger point here is this: Gods grace saves us through faith. Its Gods grace and Gods work in our lives that cause our faith. It is all the work of God - for anyone to think faith is something man reasons or chooses is sadly mistaken.
God's work in our lives and our decision to have faith. If God forces someone to be faithful, it's not genuine, and isn't really faith.
@@peterfox7663 God doesnt force us to have faith. But I know He started it and He will complete it.
@@JohnRWaldron Faith is something a man decides to have, not something conferred upon a man.
@@peterfox7663 your reply my friend is the most basic error
Not conferred but a Gift
@@JohnRWaldron Use whichever word you want - gift or conferred, they mean the same thing in this context. You could argue the ability to have faith is a gift given to man through partial regeneration. I would disagree. But not that God makes you have faith.
God can show Himself to be faithful, worth putting our trust in Him, but He doesn't zap faith into someone.
God's sovereign election of the redeemed and man's responsibility and consequences in rejection is a mystery of the Faith. It's not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but God who shows mercy. Sinful man is unwilling to choose Christ and will not unless God causes him to be born again.
Have you also solved the mystery of the Holy Trinity and completely understand that too? (sarcasm)
I am not a Calvinist........ But overall if you have a problem with RC Sproul.......that's a problem. I know who Leighton Flowers is, and James White crushed him biblically like a wilted flower. But to each their own.
I have problems with Sproul, and all the expert seminarians who sit upon the pontifical stage at Ligonier. Trinitarian, post Millennial White isn't worth any serious consideration.
@@PuppetryInMotion Ok, so you don't believe God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.......That is another whole important doctrine more serious than this......
@@solochristo65 Not my opinion that Trinity is false; it's the Word of God. (Don't mistake me for having an antiChrist spirit - in glory, Jesus is again with God, and is God. It's that there is only One Spirit, the Father, a Holy Spirit, which He gave to Jesus when He ascended back to Him Acts 2:33, and not another god who is a distinctly different spirit, while being at the same time, exactly the same spirit. How does that work? If the two spirits are exactly the same, then God duplicated Himself. Not only wasn't that done in Scripture, God expressly says He shares His glory with no other.
SCRIPTURE PROOFTEXTS
Apostle John says Jesus is the Advocate ["Paraclete"]. Jesus said He is the Comforter, and the Spirit of Truth, and that the Spirit of He, and His Father, come to live inside us (not a third person).
Jesus was humble. When He spoke of Himself, it was almost always "in the third person" (read the woman at the well account, the "He" who provides living water is Jesus speaking of Himself in the third person). He never spoke of "a third person", a duplicate spirit god, only of His Father being a Spirit. You will never find one instance of Jesus praying for He, or His followers, to be united with the three of them, only the two of them. Jesus said repeatedly the only other witness of His ministry was His Father. He and His Father are one. He said His Father's Spirit was upon Him and in Him, not a third person.
1 John 2:1 KJV
.. And if any man sin, *_we have an advocate [Paraclete] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:_*
John 14:16-21,23
And I will pray the Father, and *_he shall give you another Comforter,_* that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] *_Even the Spirit of Truth;_* whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: *_but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you._*
NEXT VERSE PROVES JESUS' SPIRIT COMES TO US, NOT A THIRD GOD:
[18] *_I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you._*
[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; *_but ye see me:_* …
[20] At that day ye shall know that *_I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you._*
[21] … *_he that loveth me_* … *_I will love him, and will manifest MYSELF to him._*
[23] Jesus answered … If a man love me, … my Father will love him, and *_WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him._*
Matthew 10:20 KJV
For it is not ye that speak, but *_the Spirit of your Father_* which speaketh in you.
1 Corinthians 6:17 KJV
But *_he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit._*
Acts 2:18 NASB95
… I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF *_MY SPIRIT_* …
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
*_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_*
It always amazes me that so many Bible teachers miss the whole history of Israel. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and 11 of Jacob's 12 sons were not Jews. Judah was the first Jew. Paul and 11 of Jesus disciples were from the tribe of Benjamin. The House of Israel divorced from the House of Judah hundreds of years before Christ. The word Jew first appears in the Bible after this division after the death of Solomon. Jews are not synonymous with Israel. Now reread Romans with this in mind. Noticing that in Romans 2 Paul is addressing Jews and not Israel and in Romans 9 to 11 Paul is addressing the House of Israel. Adds and changes a lot.
Why would anyone that is a serious Bible student care to listen to anyone that has to consider the intentions of the writer? The Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit and they mean what they say. The King James Bible version already reflects the proper English language and it was done by over 45 people that spoke, read, and wrote Hebrew and Greek fluently. Their work was commissioned by the power of a king. All of the great revivals and Christian accomplishments happened when it was the Bible in circulation. Today's revisionists have redone their work so many times its astonishing that people are ignorant enough to trust them.
Read Gail Ripplinger's New Age Bible Versions and if you can in good conscience still use the Bibles of liars, well I don't wish you Godspeed. Jesus Christ is the Word, revere it as you should and abstain from supporting their evil.
I’d highly suggest you search for the video titled “James white Romans 9 exegesis”. He explains exactly why it’s about individual salvation.
“The Justification of God” by John Piper is a GREAT academic book explaining why it’s NOT about nations and it is about individual salvation.
No, let's just stay in the Bible and stop reading books by mere men. Romans 9 has nothing to do with "individual salvation". You my friend have been calvinized
@@donreed8378 Hey brother, If it’s not about individual salvation, then why didn’t Esau and Ishmael get saved?
@@ShepherdMinistry who said they didn't "get saved"?
@@donreed8378 Are you saying they were saved or that we don’t know? The Bible implies they weren’t saved.
Was Ishmael saved?
Genesis 16:12
👉He shall be a wild donkey of a man,👈 his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”
Notice how Isaac is considered children of the promise and born according to the Spirit and not the flesh. We also see the apostle Paul state we are not children of the slave women like Ishmael but instead we are children of the free (aka children of the Spirit).
Galatians 4:28-30
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say?👉 “Cast out the slave woman and her son,👈 for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 👉So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.👈
Was Esau saved?
Paul only mentions Isaac and Jacob in the tents (Esau and Ishmael were not mentioned):
Hebrews 11:9
By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise.
We also know that Esau was an unholy man:
Hebrews 12:15-17
See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; 👉that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau👈, who sold his birthright for a single meal. For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.
We see Jacob is mentioned to have faith, with no mention of unholy Esau:
Hebrews 11:20-22
👉By faith Isaac invoked future blessings on Jacob and Esau. 👉By faith Jacob, when dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, bowing in worship over the head of his staff. 👉By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, made mention of the exodus of the Israelites and gave directions concerning his bones.
See how each says by faith? But no mention of Esau’s living by faith. The Bible only tells us he was an unholy man.
In conclusion Ishmael and Esau were not saved.