half of this video is just useless stock footage that does nothing to help promote the lift. also, HOW DOES DEACCELERATION WORK ON A CONVEYOR BELT? a conveyor goes one speed. and it said less friction, BUT IF THE BELT IS GOING ONE SPEED, THAT INCREASES THE FRICTION!
Or there's some kind of sensor that detects when the grip comes under this conveyor and the motor spins faster and faster until it reaches line speed. BUT: this type of acceleration/decceleration system is (was) used in old Vonroll and Habberger ropeways so this isn't new . AND you need at least two motors (normal ropeways have belts connecting tyres)
@@moi2032 It's not really that stupid if it uses a belt. With regards to deceleration, watch Salvi11(or ropewaygrips)'s video of the Saanerslochgratbahn as that shows how belts can decelerate a chair or gondola.
I want the alcohol of which people who rely on companies for literally everything are on. Good thing I look into the lifts myself, in a lot of detail as well...
@@npljojo Er-correction, Doppelmayr are the fucking worst. Their modern lifts are rammed with disgraceful invasive city tech and their lifts are equally disgustingly designed in terms of appearance. As are Poma and Leitner and Bartholet(Bartholet's mechanisms are SLIGHTLY nicer but are becoming boring AF.) In my opinion they were only good in the 20th century. In the 21st century their lifts became boring, and later(when the D-Line came along) ugly, too city like and rammed with 999999999999999999999999999 pounds of invasive mainstream city tech. Another reason why Doppelmayr suck is because they are monopolistic since they encourage people to hate any lifts that aren't Uni-G's or D-Lines, they do this with all the tech they put into their D-Lines and the ugly city like appearance they gave it and the absolutely disgraceful Omega V which looks like nothing more than a gaming computer. With regards to LST, it would appear they have been consumed by Bartholet. Les Envers of La Plagne was the only system ever built of this specific design(which is seemingly better than every other modern ropeway system as it has a lot less tyres in the stations).
@@sigalemiri I in general HATE modern ropeways for their lack of mechanical difference(they ALL work EXACTLY the same way, regardless of manufacturer), lack of tradition(because they look plastic and like a city building), the EVIL TOTALITARIAN SAFETY STANDARDS their manufacturers are LOBBYING GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES into FORCING against the OLDER and MECHANICALLY DIFFERENT lifts when the older systems have PROVEN totally safe for MUCH longer than the modern systems have, the older lifts have less parts as well, they are mass produced by 4 global monopolies as opposed to more than 30 independent manufacturers 40 years ago most of which could ONLY be found in their home country, and all the tech and modern advantages that I described earlier, along with NEEDLESSLY constant capacity and speed expansion, do nothing more other than give more corporate power to the ropeway manfuacturers, give the ski resorts more needless reasons to throw already perfect ropeways into the scrap melting oven, and therefore gain more money to the ropeway manufactures with all of their lobbying ever so more and more ski resorts into buying their modern piles of scrap for the PATHETIC sake of "being modern and requirement-meeting". 15 years ago or so 6 seater gondolas were still considered OK. Now with modern 10 seater mass produced quadropolistic TURD piles of "ropeways" it's like it's illegal for any ropeway that is NOT an 8 or 10 seater gondola lift from the 4 global CUNTS known as "Doppelmayr, Leitner, Poma and Bartholet" to exist. DOES THERE NEED TO BE SUCH STRICT REQUIREMENTS AGAINST OLD ROPEWAYS?! Again the older lifts were not mass produced. When they were made there were lots of small independent ropeway manufacturers which all got either phased out, bankrupted, or thrown out of existence(taken over) by the monopolies(Doppelmayr, Leitner, Poma etc, Garaventa also took over some other swiss manufacturers too, but they were soon absorbed by Doppelmayr) Older ropeways need protection and appreciation for what they are as they are a dying art. If they are not relocated to some place where ropeway enthusiasts can look after them then every ropeway will just be bland, soulless, corporate mass-produced shit. As for my favourite manufacturer? All manufacturers really before they were all slaughtered(mid-late 1980s, some even earlier), and before the monopolies introduced standardization. I've done a lot of research into vintage ropeways and know nearly every single Austrian Swiss French and German manufacturer and their systems including some of those that went extinct as far back as the 1970s due to an unsuccessful design(of which no ropeways that have survived into the 21st century are, including grips that don't fit into cable catchers such as Von Roll's VR101 grip or the Giovanola Freres gravity grip). My absolute favourite manufacturer was Poma from when they begun until the 21st century. My favourite lifts were the Type S gondola lifts and chairlifts made from 1966 until 1983. The first ropeway I ever rode was the La Daille gondola lift in Val D'Isere, the first ever gondola lift from Poma and one of 2 prototypical Type S ropeways(the other was in Queenstown New Zealand until 1987). It was the oldest gondola lift in France for 18 years until a 10-seater piece of crap came along and murdered it and the Etroits chairlift(1981 Yan Lift engineering 3-CLF) next to it. I'll always prefer the mentally comfortable and magically-feeling experience of being in a 1960's type S or any old ropeway system than a physically comfortable but soulless-feeling 10 seater piece of mass produced corporate de la merde.
Go to the Envers chairlift in La Plagne: This is the chairlift simulated in this video. LST never built a gondola of this design because they were consumed by the MND Group and Bartholet but they DID built one 2-passenger gondola in Rudesheim am Rhein. They also built 2 chairlifts in Winterberg and another place that I can't remember the name of, but that place's chairlift from LST is called "Hohcheck Express". LST built several fixed grip chairlifts and drag lifts and 4 detachable lifts, 3 with the Felix Wopfner grip and 1 with their own grip(Les Envers). Starting with Rudesheim: and ending with La Plagne.
It read it is illegal, but there is a new D-Line in Chamonix with Bistabil grip. I personally don't like the Bistabil grip, I prefer the HTI's LPA grip.
@@moi2032 I in general hate modern grips. All the same corporate shit. I'd prefer a Poma Omega/Type S or Montaz Mautino grip thank you. Devilmayr always seem to win at their monopolization, even going as far as to lobby the french authority cunts into making an exception for the Demon-Line grip to the "no bistabil grips" rule. But to be honest the Felix Wopfner grip and the Von Roll-Schwaiger VR102 grip were also exceptions.
Bartholet uses a slightly different design. I think the proper term for the style of grip is "2-position open slack", sonething Doppelmayr has used for decades on their DT-104 torsion-bar grips"
This is the worst thing I have ever seen worse than leitner the stations is ugly as hell the chairs are weird and ugly and the system looks extremely unreliable. I would imagine this company going out of business
half of this video is just useless stock footage that does nothing to help promote the lift.
also, HOW DOES DEACCELERATION WORK ON A CONVEYOR BELT? a conveyor goes one speed. and it said less friction, BUT IF THE BELT IS GOING ONE SPEED, THAT INCREASES THE FRICTION!
probably there is a timed circuit that slows down the conveyor belt
Or there's some kind of sensor that detects when the grip comes under this conveyor and the motor spins faster and faster until it reaches line speed. BUT: this type of acceleration/decceleration system is (was) used in old Vonroll and Habberger ropeways so this isn't new . AND you need at least two motors (normal ropeways have belts connecting tyres)
This is a stupid old system. By the way, I read that the cable wheels broke themselves.
@@moi2032 It's not really that stupid if it uses a belt. With regards to deceleration, watch Salvi11(or ropewaygrips)'s video of the Saanerslochgratbahn as that shows how belts can decelerate a chair or gondola.
It works on the same concept as Bartholet's tire sections, which you can see explained here: ua-cam.com/video/-eNUEINgWbQ/v-deo.html
Ropeways is my life
i want the drugs the designer if the lift station and chairs was on
I want the alcohol of which people who rely on companies for literally everything are on.
Good thing I look into the lifts myself, in a lot of detail as well...
Doppelmyer has that coverd
Yes bro, yes, they are the best.
I wonder if any ski resort would buy such a trash lift like from that LST group...
@@npljojo Er-correction, Doppelmayr are the fucking worst. Their modern lifts are rammed with disgraceful invasive city tech and their lifts are equally disgustingly designed in terms of appearance. As are Poma and Leitner and Bartholet(Bartholet's mechanisms are SLIGHTLY nicer but are becoming boring AF.)
In my opinion they were only good in the 20th century. In the 21st century their lifts became boring, and later(when the D-Line came along) ugly, too city like and rammed with 999999999999999999999999999 pounds of invasive mainstream city tech.
Another reason why Doppelmayr suck is because they are monopolistic since they encourage people to hate any lifts that aren't Uni-G's or D-Lines, they do this with all the tech they put into their D-Lines and the ugly city like appearance they gave it and the absolutely disgraceful Omega V which looks like nothing more than a gaming computer.
With regards to LST, it would appear they have been consumed by Bartholet. Les Envers of La Plagne was the only system ever built of this specific design(which is seemingly better than every other modern ropeway system as it has a lot less tyres in the stations).
@@CBF1 i agree
@@CBF1 So, wich manufacturer you like then? not many more option I guess
@@sigalemiri I in general HATE modern ropeways for their lack of mechanical difference(they ALL work EXACTLY the same way, regardless of manufacturer), lack of tradition(because they look plastic and like a city building), the EVIL TOTALITARIAN SAFETY STANDARDS their manufacturers are LOBBYING GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES into FORCING against the OLDER and MECHANICALLY DIFFERENT lifts when the older systems have PROVEN totally safe for MUCH longer than the modern systems have, the older lifts have less parts as well, they are mass produced by 4 global monopolies as opposed to more than 30 independent manufacturers 40 years ago most of which could ONLY be found in their home country, and all the tech and modern advantages that I described earlier, along with NEEDLESSLY constant capacity and speed expansion, do nothing more other than give more corporate power to the ropeway manfuacturers, give the ski resorts more needless reasons to throw already perfect ropeways into the scrap melting oven, and therefore gain more money to the ropeway manufactures with all of their lobbying ever so more and more ski resorts into buying their modern piles of scrap for the PATHETIC sake of "being modern and requirement-meeting".
15 years ago or so 6 seater gondolas were still considered OK. Now with modern 10 seater mass produced quadropolistic TURD piles of "ropeways" it's like it's illegal for any ropeway that is NOT an 8 or 10 seater gondola lift from the 4 global CUNTS known as "Doppelmayr, Leitner, Poma and Bartholet" to exist.
DOES THERE NEED TO BE SUCH STRICT REQUIREMENTS AGAINST OLD ROPEWAYS?!
Again the older lifts were not mass produced. When they were made there were lots of small independent ropeway manufacturers which all got either phased out, bankrupted, or thrown out of existence(taken over) by the monopolies(Doppelmayr, Leitner, Poma etc, Garaventa also took over some other swiss manufacturers too, but they were soon absorbed by Doppelmayr)
Older ropeways need protection and appreciation for what they are as they are a dying art. If they are not relocated to some place where ropeway enthusiasts can look after them then every ropeway will just be bland, soulless, corporate mass-produced shit.
As for my favourite manufacturer? All manufacturers really before they were all slaughtered(mid-late 1980s, some even earlier), and before the monopolies introduced standardization. I've done a lot of research into vintage ropeways and know nearly every single Austrian Swiss French and German manufacturer and their systems including some of those that went extinct as far back as the 1970s due to an unsuccessful design(of which no ropeways that have survived into the 21st century are, including grips that don't fit into cable catchers such as Von Roll's VR101 grip or the Giovanola Freres gravity grip).
My absolute favourite manufacturer was Poma from when they begun until the 21st century. My favourite lifts were the Type S gondola lifts and chairlifts made from 1966 until 1983. The first ropeway I ever rode was the La Daille gondola lift in Val D'Isere, the first ever gondola lift from Poma and one of 2 prototypical Type S ropeways(the other was in Queenstown New Zealand until 1987). It was the oldest gondola lift in France for 18 years until a 10-seater piece of crap came along and murdered it and the Etroits chairlift(1981 Yan Lift engineering 3-CLF) next to it.
I'll always prefer the mentally comfortable and magically-feeling experience of being in a 1960's type S or any old ropeway system than a physically comfortable but soulless-feeling 10 seater piece of mass produced corporate de la merde.
It must have laser sensors for the belt to slow down
video of a real life LST lift?
Go to the Envers chairlift in La Plagne: This is the chairlift simulated in this video. LST never built a gondola of this design because they were consumed by the MND Group and Bartholet but they DID built one 2-passenger gondola in Rudesheim am Rhein. They also built 2 chairlifts in Winterberg and another place that I can't remember the name of, but that place's chairlift from LST is called "Hohcheck Express".
LST built several fixed grip chairlifts and drag lifts and 4 detachable lifts, 3 with the Felix Wopfner grip and 1 with their own grip(Les Envers). Starting with Rudesheim: and ending with La Plagne.
Bistabil rope grips aren't allowed in France, are they?
i don't think those are Bistabil grips, since they have strong spring system like Poma
It read it is illegal, but there is a new D-Line in Chamonix with Bistabil grip. I personally don't like the Bistabil grip, I prefer the HTI's LPA grip.
@@moi2032 I in general hate modern grips. All the same corporate shit.
I'd prefer a Poma Omega/Type S or Montaz Mautino grip thank you.
Devilmayr always seem to win at their monopolization, even going as far as to lobby the french authority cunts into making an exception for the Demon-Line grip to the "no bistabil grips" rule. But to be honest the Felix Wopfner grip and the Von Roll-Schwaiger VR102 grip were also exceptions.
Bartholet uses a slightly different design. I think the proper term for the style of grip is "2-position open slack", sonething Doppelmayr has used for decades on their DT-104 torsion-bar grips"
Great system, like Bartholet. But i prefere Leitner, is the best 🇮🇹
You forgot doppelmayr
@@Transport272 Fuck them. Fuck them all to be honest. They're all tyrannical cunts.
@@Transport272 There's no longer such thing as a "new detachable ropeway" that's good in my point of view.
This is the worst thing I have ever seen worse than leitner the stations is ugly as hell the chairs are weird and ugly and the system looks extremely unreliable. I would imagine this company going out of business
oh well it hasn't been replaced yet. And yes Bartholet screwed LST over.