I've already disappointedly jumped off the spriest train and swapped back to my elemental shaman roots. I'm very happy to hear that priests popping all their CD's with lust on the first pull of MoTS, then getting Overgrowth cast on them will make them at least 10% less depressed. I still always invite shadow priests into my group out of respect.
Priest rework 11.1 praying. The class needs be brought up to war within standards. That being said I am enjoying shadow in the raid, it feels very rewarding to play well and spymasters web is fun to play with. These long voidforms we get especially during execute window feel so good. The voidform pausing will be great in m+ particularly dawnbreaker, you could have voidform still going between many pulls.
I think the biggest problem with the change to sustained potency is the "out of combat" bug that I'm sure all of us experience in m+. I experience it way longer on my priest than other alts. The whole pack will be dead but I can't mount up for 5 seconds or more, unless this gets fixed I have to assume it will cause VF to continue to tick down, making the halo increased damage give you a lot more value.
its ok because we have just so much mobility in combat as well! like which spell to choose?? feather or shield or feather or shield!! Thankfully that 5 seconds feels like forever thanks to the state of depression we're in right now 😆
It's not awesome, it's garbage. How many times do you get stuck in combat in TWW? Answer: EVERY TIME you have a mindbender, C'thun tentacle, or any trinket proc that generates a helper unit. Their combat state doesn't get cleared properly. Dispersion pause never should have gone away.
It's pretty sad how Voidweaver is falling behind. Have you tried VW in M+? I'm not doing very high keys yet (+8) but for me VW feels infinitely better to play than Archon. Being able to move while channeling Void Torrent is awesome and the short Rift window to pack as many Void Blasts as possible in it with Talbadar up just fits my playstyle perfectly. I know that the sims show that VW is a bit behind but what is your opinion about it in practice if you tried it?
@@Publikwow what is it exactly that makes archon better for chain pulls? Archon has a better MF:I and spawns much more ghosts. MS:I in AoE is also bottlenecked by Psychic Link. Is it the ghosts and void eruption? Since Dark Ascension got nerfed, would it make sense to try VE with Voidweaver? Our dots get a nice buff as Voidweaver and that could make up for it? Maybe...?
@@szitastamasit’s mostly void eruption and the natural synergy that archon has with it. Voidweaver can play eruption in very high pull count scenarios but takes a large hit to single target damage. Archon gets void eruption by default without losing anything
Same here, my man. For me, voidweaver feels much better in any kind of content. The only thing I changed in comparison to the builds from the guides is that I replaced Void Empowerment with Darkening Horizon. This gives us the ability to extend the duration of our Entropic Rift and deal more damage with Void Blast. This significantly increases our AoE potential.
@@Andriy_Veretin I'm also extending the rift and it does pretty good damage overall, as much as psychic link. On a +8 key I very consistently do 1.15-1.18 million dps overall. I don't know if it's any good or not but I mostly don't have to shame myself at the end of a run compared to the other 2 dps.
I 100% think that they need to give shadow priests more movement ability. I still don’t understand why Mind Flay couldn’t be changed to a movement channeled spell. There are plenty of other classes that have “on-the-go” channeled spells. I also think that Leap of Faith should be a “forked” spell in the talent tree that allows a priest to choose between the old style of Leap of Faith (call it Blessing of Faith or something like that) and the current style of Leap of Faith, which changes the spell to be either pulling yourself to your target or pulling your target to you. I miss that ability so so much!!! And lastly, I think we need a rework of Angelic Feather to move from a ground target spell to a casted spell (either self or friendly) and increase its duration while out of combat. Perhaps maybe while in combat it is reduced to a 6 second duration, but out of combat It’s like 20 seconds.
I've just given up on Spriest man. I love the spec, but my m+ progress is just utterly hamstrung because I just can't spend 3 hours a day getting declined for 10s on repeat. I feel like I've completely wasted my time. I sincerely feel like Augmentation broke this fucking game because they nerfed everything else around it into the dirt and then we're just content to leave shadow as a withered husk
@@3dsalmon that’s not what I said. I said it doesn’t need a huge amount of iteration (bear in mind you’ve not had zero, you’ve had a decent amount just less than others) because it got a HUUUGE amount of changes during dragonflight. Regarding tuning, yeah shadow doesn’t deserve to be S tier for more than 1 season this expansion because it reigned supreme for 3 seasons of dragonflight. It’s not “dog” at all, though, it was always pretty average in raid and it’s still strong in m+.
As a shadowpriest main through many expansions, Shadowpriest is in a frustrating place right now. Archon is doing well, just slightly underperforming in raid that I've experienced. Voidweaver... I was so excited to main this all expac but it's just so hard to do well in raids and it's damage is so inconstant in M+. I think we should have the ability to spread Vampiric Touch and SW:P at any point. Putting it on CD makes pulls really frustrating. I think this is a core part of our struggle in cleave situations. ST is a whole other story. Overall, I think Voidweaver really needs to be examined and buffed. I can't even play it in raids.
Archon feels really good to play in single target minus it's lower dps it's the aoe they really need to overhaul for spriests imo. Oh you missed your shadowcrash because the tank ran off? tough luck.
Shadow crash needs a proc chance.. we can’t keep up on aoe in sporadic pulls where other classes can just keep going. Great for void form changes however, aff lock is what shadow priest should be. I feel like SP is just an off brand AFF lock. 😭
Guys dont be sad , shadowpriests will be super mega op later in the expansion because of xal'atath and all the void / light stuff going on . Probably we even get her outfit maybe a legendary weapon or item too.
After reading the title I expected to be disappointed by the fact that I rerolled from my 615 Shadow Priest to now 600 Retribution Paladin yesterday.. alas, the only thing I'm disappointed with is the current state of Shadow Priest.
Ahh I got some hopium after reading the title :( sad I finally decided to main s priest this expansion after thinking bout it since legion, enjoying it anyway but would be nice to get some looove from blizzz
It's actually so sad... as a solo player whenever I queue for M+ group finder... 9/10 times Spriest gets declined even with higher gear/M+scores simply because key owners dont want Spriests in the run compared to the rest of the DPSes. Blizzard... please pay us some attention!
that has 0 to do with shadowpriest, thats true for all dps. there are 200+ dps in the queue in a minute and 50% of them will have higher score and itemlvl than you
@@alichacha968 I would always pick the non meta class because it's more likely that the person who is playing it isn't a Nutella slave with poor knowledge about the game.
Yeah i think i mentioned it somewhere that my haste is wayyyy to high but its the gear that i got early. Hopefully get some good options to lower haste soon
Sims or not, having high haste feels so good to play. I had 41% haste at the end of dragonflight and dropping to 10% at TWW start was literally depressing.
@@victuss1413 yeah true, it always the same story, we start the expansion kinda meh but then scale great with higher stats the more tiers come out. Giving us a slightly higher base secondary stats and slightly scale down our secondary stat gains from gear would make for a smoother power gain over the course of the game.
make the sec pi note 2 choices, either give someone else pi aswell or your own pi last double the normal time BIG, 2 set is boring as fk, 4set is kinda meh, give shadow a baseline kick and a baseline dispers, remove mass despell and give us a battle rez, fk halo cringe doggo rotation i miss my stooting star, fk it just bring back legion shadow
Dont know man... Legion bring many players to shadow priest. It was fun for me, in terms of being shit in the begining and get to the point of mastering spec and see how much my DPS improved. It was truly skill required design.@@HardtoReach
How they are dealing with spriest, with all its core problems and especially with voidweaver hero talent, is.. well, the norm throughout wow history (with exceptions time to time). Absolute clowns in command.
if u pop void erup before we start a key, do we keep the 20sec duration since we are OOC?
As of right now yes, you just need a critter or something like that to cast it on. Would expect this to probably be fixed
I've already disappointedly jumped off the spriest train and swapped back to my elemental shaman roots.
I'm very happy to hear that priests popping all their CD's with lust on the first pull of MoTS, then getting Overgrowth cast on them will make them at least 10% less depressed. I still always invite shadow priests into my group out of respect.
Meanwhile as an elem shaman I don't like the forcing of ascendance so i'm moving to spriest :p
This is such a sad vidio to watch , literally 1 real change , ty for doing it anyway publik .
Priest rework 11.1 praying. The class needs be brought up to war within standards.
That being said I am enjoying shadow in the raid, it feels very rewarding to play well and spymasters web is fun to play with. These long voidforms we get especially during execute window feel so good.
The voidform pausing will be great in m+ particularly dawnbreaker, you could have voidform still going between many pulls.
+1 to spymasters this trinket is really fun
Priest rework and Priest legendary (reimagined Benediction/Anathema based on Beledar) in 11.1, I'm calling it.
I think the biggest problem with the change to sustained potency is the "out of combat" bug that I'm sure all of us experience in m+. I experience it way longer on my priest than other alts. The whole pack will be dead but I can't mount up for 5 seconds or more, unless this gets fixed I have to assume it will cause VF to continue to tick down, making the halo increased damage give you a lot more value.
Definitely a good point.
its ok because we have just so much mobility in combat as well! like which spell to choose?? feather or shield or feather or shield!! Thankfully that 5 seconds feels like forever thanks to the state of depression we're in right now 😆
Awesome change, now just bring back dispersion as as on-use void form suspension
Second this. Always feels bad when I have to dispersion during high raid damage and wince as I see my void form/dark ascension ticking down.
It's not awesome, it's garbage. How many times do you get stuck in combat in TWW? Answer: EVERY TIME you have a mindbender, C'thun tentacle, or any trinket proc that generates a helper unit. Their combat state doesn't get cleared properly.
Dispersion pause never should have gone away.
It's pretty sad how Voidweaver is falling behind.
Have you tried VW in M+? I'm not doing very high keys yet (+8) but for me VW feels infinitely better to play than Archon.
Being able to move while channeling Void Torrent is awesome and the short Rift window to pack as many Void Blasts as possible in it with Talbadar up just fits my playstyle perfectly.
I know that the sims show that VW is a bit behind but what is your opinion about it in practice if you tried it?
I've tried it and personally once you start chain pulling or pulls last long enough it really falls off compared to Archon
@@Publikwow what is it exactly that makes archon better for chain pulls?
Archon has a better MF:I and spawns much more ghosts. MS:I in AoE is also bottlenecked by Psychic Link.
Is it the ghosts and void eruption?
Since Dark Ascension got nerfed, would it make sense to try VE with Voidweaver? Our dots get a nice buff as Voidweaver and that could make up for it? Maybe...?
@@szitastamasit’s mostly void eruption and the natural synergy that archon has with it. Voidweaver can play eruption in very high pull count scenarios but takes a large hit to single target damage. Archon gets void eruption by default without losing anything
Same here, my man. For me, voidweaver feels much better in any kind of content. The only thing I changed in comparison to the builds from the guides is that I replaced Void Empowerment with Darkening Horizon. This gives us the ability to extend the duration of our Entropic Rift and deal more damage with Void Blast. This significantly increases our AoE potential.
@@Andriy_Veretin I'm also extending the rift and it does pretty good damage overall, as much as psychic link.
On a +8 key I very consistently do 1.15-1.18 million dps overall. I don't know if it's any good or not but I mostly don't have to shame myself at the end of a run compared to the other 2 dps.
Imagine if Thing From Beyond didn't decay outside of combat
I WANT to play voidweaver but it's really not competing well hahhh
I 100% think that they need to give shadow priests more movement ability. I still don’t understand why Mind Flay couldn’t be changed to a movement channeled spell. There are plenty of other classes that have “on-the-go” channeled spells.
I also think that Leap of Faith should be a “forked” spell in the talent tree that allows a priest to choose between the old style of Leap of Faith (call it Blessing of Faith or something like that) and the current style of Leap of Faith, which changes the spell to be either pulling yourself to your target or pulling your target to you. I miss that ability so so much!!!
And lastly, I think we need a rework of Angelic Feather to move from a ground target spell to a casted spell (either self or friendly) and increase its duration while out of combat. Perhaps maybe while in combat it is reduced to a 6 second duration, but out of combat It’s like 20 seconds.
I've just given up on Spriest man. I love the spec, but my m+ progress is just utterly hamstrung because I just can't spend 3 hours a day getting declined for 10s on repeat.
I feel like I've completely wasted my time.
I sincerely feel like Augmentation broke this fucking game because they nerfed everything else around it into the dirt and then we're just content to leave shadow as a withered husk
And they still didn't do anything to voidweaver
Why do we see no changes to priest in general? I really do not get it, feels like someone at blizzard hates priest
because you got the second most during dragonflight after paladin? bruh
@liamdavies2823 we demand more! Literally strongest spec according to lore, SP should be S tier in any content, it is logical
@@liamdavies2823 oh, you are that dumb. ok
@@liamdavies2823 What a weird perspective. Shadow should just be dog because it was strong in Dragonflight? Fuck me for not playing DF then I guess :)
@@3dsalmon that’s not what I said. I said it doesn’t need a huge amount of iteration (bear in mind you’ve not had zero, you’ve had a decent amount just less than others) because it got a HUUUGE amount of changes during dragonflight. Regarding tuning, yeah shadow doesn’t deserve to be S tier for more than 1 season this expansion because it reigned supreme for 3 seasons of dragonflight. It’s not “dog” at all, though, it was always pretty average in raid and it’s still strong in m+.
As a shadowpriest main through many expansions, Shadowpriest is in a frustrating place right now. Archon is doing well, just slightly underperforming in raid that I've experienced. Voidweaver... I was so excited to main this all expac but it's just so hard to do well in raids and it's damage is so inconstant in M+. I think we should have the ability to spread Vampiric Touch and SW:P at any point. Putting it on CD makes pulls really frustrating. I think this is a core part of our struggle in cleave situations. ST is a whole other story. Overall, I think Voidweaver really needs to be examined and buffed. I can't even play it in raids.
Archon feels really good to play in single target minus it's lower dps it's the aoe they really need to overhaul for spriests imo. Oh you missed your shadowcrash because the tank ran off? tough luck.
@@falceonbelshae610 if you missed your shadow crashj, sounds liek a you problem
Shadow crash needs a proc chance.. we can’t keep up on aoe in sporadic pulls where other classes can just keep going. Great for void form changes however, aff lock is what shadow priest should be. I feel like SP is just an off brand AFF lock. 😭
Thats a great idea actually.
Guys dont be sad , shadowpriests will be super mega op later in the expansion because of xal'atath and all the void / light stuff going on . Probably we even get her outfit maybe a legendary weapon or item too.
🤣
I would agree but remember what they did to druids in dragon flight. A raid all about the dream and they gave the lego to pallies, DKs, and warriors.
@@GoKayvonGo yea but they learned from that :)). We gonna get a legendary dagger where we seal xalatath back
I've once flown up to the last boss of NW, back down, then back up on repeat for like 3-4 trips. Good to know it was halo.
Oh yeah that is definitely Halo lol, turbo broken
Rework void form giving us The ability to cast everything while moving thanks
Does this work with night elf racial? Such as using it at the end of a pack so you can save early
Yes! Although not the best use of shadow meld usually
poor shadow priests lol... i always fool myself thinking it will be okay and end up quitting early
After reading the title I expected to be disappointed by the fact that I rerolled from my 615 Shadow Priest to now 600 Retribution Paladin yesterday.. alas, the only thing I'm disappointed with is the current state of Shadow Priest.
publiks such a cutieeee xD
Archon getting buffed while, voidweaver being weaker :D typical blizzard, they could at least add movement speed to that entropic rift
Ahh I got some hopium after reading the title :( sad I finally decided to main s priest this expansion after thinking bout it since legion, enjoying it anyway but would be nice to get some looove from blizzz
For some reason them changing power word fortitude to 1% is so funny. Like, I dont think anyone has ever complained about its mana usage 💀
this video has more minutes than shadow priest has changes
sadge
It's actually so sad... as a solo player whenever I queue for M+ group finder... 9/10 times Spriest gets declined even with higher gear/M+scores simply because key owners dont want Spriests in the run compared to the rest of the DPSes. Blizzard... please pay us some attention!
that has 0 to do with shadowpriest, thats true for all dps. there are 200+ dps in the queue in a minute and 50% of them will have higher score and itemlvl than you
@@Odium16 if u see a same ilvl and score warrior and spriest who would you pick?
@@alichacha968 I would always pick the non meta class because it's more likely that the person who is playing it isn't a Nutella slave with poor knowledge about the game.
@@alichacha968 depends entirely on the groupcomp lol also this rarely happens, theres always someone better than you in popular keys
this happens with everyone lol stop crying and run your own keys or make friends and form a consistent group to run with. You should never pug anyway.
27,5% haste? why are you stacking haste that much? my sims always say i should go more on mastery or crit but i am around 19% haste not on almost 30.
You don’t choose your drops. Also haste is better for aoe. Mastery is more towards single target
Yeah i think i mentioned it somewhere that my haste is wayyyy to high but its the gear that i got early. Hopefully get some good options to lower haste soon
Sims or not, having high haste feels so good to play. I had 41% haste at the end of dragonflight and dropping to 10% at TWW start was literally depressing.
they are trying....
Don't care, not going back to shadow priest until voidweaver pumps. Blizzard made the void spec shit for void expansion
The older design of Shadow is completely broken with how the game rolls now Unfortunately
Priest needs 15 hate baseline, then we feel good
@@victuss1413 yeah true, it always the same story, we start the expansion kinda meh but then scale great with higher stats the more tiers come out. Giving us a slightly higher base secondary stats and slightly scale down our secondary stat gains from gear would make for a smoother power gain over the course of the game.
Make them rework the talent tree for god sake its so cringe
make the sec pi note 2 choices, either give someone else pi aswell or your own pi last double the normal time BIG, 2 set is boring as fk, 4set is kinda meh, give shadow a baseline kick and a baseline dispers, remove mass despell and give us a battle rez, fk halo cringe doggo rotation i miss my stooting star, fk it just bring back legion shadow
MoP shadow was the best. Legion was what ruined the spec.
Dont know man...
Legion bring many players to shadow priest.
It was fun for me, in terms of being shit in the begining and get to the point of mastering spec and see how much my DPS improved. It was truly skill required design.@@HardtoReach
11.1 changes copium
How they are dealing with spriest, with all its core problems and especially with voidweaver hero talent, is.. well, the norm throughout wow history (with exceptions time to time). Absolute clowns in command.