Which now that I've seen this, that may have been the plan for it. They did a lot with that song compared to when they have the demo for it. It seems they decided to make the last song a song that combines most, if not all, the previous songs. Which is pretty cool
@@dudeman1983 in demo 4 it ended with "See how i laugh at you You'll never understand No you'll never understand No you'll never ever ever ever undersand See how i run from you..."
@@Entity404SFM i thought it was “See. How I laugh at you. You’ll never understand, no you’ll never understand. No, you’ll never ever *ever* understand. See how banana man. Hops over the white hot sand here he comes with some for me here he comes with some for me”
One more- the "keep it coming back" in variations on a cloud is the same melody as the xylophone(?) before the final lyrics in dream sweet in sea major
That’s continue- and it’s also present in the beginning but much faster and plucked on strings!, around “Believe me darling, the stars were made for falling” and whatnot!
Labyrinth instrumentally references The Mind Electric, its the "someone help me" line. In Dream Sweet, there's an instrumental reference to The Mind Electric after the line: "To be where I am." Though it isn't really a reference, Dream Sweet could also be referencing the song Murders with the "she knows you heard her, staging music murder." Thank you for the great video!
Also, there could be a reference to Murders in The Mind Electric. Specifically the piano bit of "Fountain Of Infinite Mirror" It's in the background of the line "Spiraling down thy majesty..."
The Mind Electric also references Ruler of Everything. If you listen closely the "And they give it all they've got" kinda has the same rhythm as "Are the ruler of everything"
The mind electric is a conglomeration of the rest of the album, it's literally got the thumping of "Murders," it's got Labyrinth, It's almost in the exact center of the album.
If you can remove the voice from the song through an app, in the French part of Dream Sweet in sea major, you will hear a robotic voice. (which could represent the voice of space station level 7).
fun fact: in "labyrinth" the female voice that sings, is singing to the rhythm of "the mind electric" (I say this because in the part of "see how the brain plays around, and you fall inside a hole you couldn't see" hear a whistle that sings the same melody)
Labyrinth and Time Machine are both in The Mind Electric! The bit before the opera has Time Machine on piano and after "doctor I can't believe I'm not me" has Labyrinth.
Dream sweet in sea major genuinely feels like the beginning singer at the end theyve went through so much but they want to go back in time my assumption is because of the line "for merely dreaming we were snow" changing the original of "with sparkle crystals souls aglow" and because the beginning songs named "introduction to the snow"
Time Machine appears at 1:56 of DSISM, as a robotic voice saying the chorus of “With a Time Machine”, and the last two repeats says “I wait for you”. Murders piano also appears at 4:37
no? neither of these exist, no clue what you're talking about... The entire murders piano is availible in Hawaii Part 2 Part 2, so it's not like I can't check that, and it doesn't exist. where tf do you hear time machine bro?
Here's another one; At the end of the mind electric (for some reason this isn't in the lyric video version) at the line "Doctor, I can't tell if i'm not me" you can hear a quiet synthesizer playing one of the parts from Labryinth.
During the glitched bit before “Nuns commence incanting” in The Mind Electric, the piano part from Murders (from just before “All, for nothing at all”) is present (slowed down and pitched down). Also in The Mind Electric, during the “See how the serfs work the ground” section, the chiptunes (8-bit) part from Labyrinth is in the background. The “Keep it coming back” part in Variations on a Cloud is almost identical to the beginning of Bye, Hi (from the end of Dream Sweet). This one’s a bit of a weaker connection, but the very beginning and very end of Variations (the piano and the beat) sound like the end of Dream Sweet (the repeating notes).
Listen to Marianas Trench's No Place Like Home, it's also the amalgamation of all other songs in the album. Like an anthem of anthems. Bohemian Rhapsody material with ABA structure of music! Little Piece of Heaven by A7x is also like this. Jesus of Suburbia too.
In general I personally noticed that a decent amount of lines or piano melodies have the either the same flow of variations on a clouds line “why don’t we keep it coming back” for example, the piano piece at the end of Introduction to the snow has the same melody. And a decent amount of mind electric lines have the same amount of syllables as one another
I also noticed that at minute 0:42 of Tally Hall’s ‘Ruler of everything’ The Rythm and the Rhymes really looks like the “And they give it all they’ve got” part in The Mind Electric.
hay uno que descubrí por haber escuchado tanto el album, pero no es un leitmotiv las notas de las vocales de variations on a cloud cuando cantan la parte de keep it coming back son las mismas que las del principio de la parte final de dream sweet in sea mayor (justo antes de que empieze a cantar la parte de bye, hi, sight hawaii)
also, at the end of isle unto thyself (the intro to black rainbows), it very faintly says "worker, i saw you begin i-" like when Variations on a Cloud says "Miracle Worker, i saw you begin it". am i the only one that noticed it?
Great video, one little thing. I wouldn’t call these leitmotifs? The story of the music is VERY vague. I know about the Simon thing, but there’s a reason that wasn’t included in the Final Cut. I think these are just little ideas that tie the music together, make it feel like one long song a little more than your average album might. Leitmotifs are little pieces of music that represent people or ideas, and that’s not really applicable here.
Definitely the album, I heard VOAC in T.H. I.S and Murders was originally supposed to be in Good & Evil. Also I really liked that Joe sampled ROE with VOAC ❤
Interesting vid. However, Leitmotifs only apply to motivic moments associated with a character in opera or other story based music. So these would just be motifs
@@RCFox Of course! Though, to tell the truth, these wouldn’t even be motifs if we’re being technical. Motifs are simple ideas only a few notes long that reappear multiple times throughout the piece. While the things you’ve picked out are entire phrases with cadences. Good job making musical connections a toddler could pick out though! 😉
@@funnyandoriginalnamethatev8373 I'm glad to be part of the wholesome and nice community known as the tally hall fandom, with such friendly and welcoming members such as yourself.
@@RCFox I was going to say there's no harm or shame in admitting you don't know something, but I proceeded to read OP's second comment and now I'm on your side 👍Shockingly, it IS possible to correct gaps in someone's knowledge without being a total ass about it!
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Dream Sweet really ties the whole album together nicely whereas Introduction creates an atmosphere of mystery and intrigue
Dream sweet really is just an amalgamation of all the other songs
Which now that I've seen this, that may have been the plan for it. They did a lot with that song compared to when they have the demo for it. It seems they decided to make the last song a song that combines most, if not all, the previous songs. Which is pretty cool
Which is why it's the best album closing song of all time
@@NAFProjects it’s the song that plays when the world ends
So is variations on a cloud
which is why it reigns supreme.
Also there's a faint whistle in the mind electric that becomes the melody for "see how I circle/ see how I fly away" in labyrinth.
In the demos, Mind Electric ended with music almost exactly like Labyrinth; it think they were supposed to be very closely connected.
“See how I loved you, you’ll never understand”
@@dudeman1983 in demo 4 it ended with
"See how i laugh at you
You'll never understand
No you'll never understand
No you'll never ever ever ever undersand
See how i run from you..."
That leitmotif also plays during Dream Sweet in Sea Major, it's just really hard to hear
@@Entity404SFM i thought it was
“See. How I laugh at you.
You’ll never understand,
no you’ll never understand.
No, you’ll never ever *ever* understand.
See how banana man.
Hops over the white hot sand
here he comes with some for me
here he comes with some
for me”
One more- the "keep it coming back" in variations on a cloud is the same melody as the xylophone(?) before the final lyrics in dream sweet in sea major
That’s continue- and it’s also present in the beginning but much faster and plucked on strings!, around “Believe me darling, the stars were made for falling” and whatnot!
Also the lyrics that come right before that xylophone melody are the same melody that plays at the start of introduction to the snow
True!
It’s a glockenspiel if you were wondering
It is also present in Introduction to the Snow
The entire album in and out of itself is a masterpiece, i always find myself listening to a song from it everyday
Labyrinth instrumentally references The Mind Electric, its the "someone help me" line.
In Dream Sweet, there's an instrumental reference to The Mind Electric after the line: "To be where I am."
Though it isn't really a reference, Dream Sweet could also be referencing the song Murders with the "she knows you heard her, staging music murder."
Thank you for the great video!
Also, there could be a reference to Murders in The Mind Electric. Specifically the piano bit of "Fountain Of Infinite Mirror"
It's in the background of the line "Spiraling down thy majesty..."
@@acronscawlernc6697 woah, I never noticed that last one :O
The Mind Electric also references Ruler of Everything. If you listen closely the "And they give it all they've got" kinda has the same rhythm as "Are the ruler of everything"
The mind electric is a conglomeration of the rest of the album, it's literally got the thumping of "Murders," it's got Labyrinth, It's almost in the exact center of the album.
@@quantumblauthor7300 what "thumping"?
the part in DSISM that goes "Apart is slowly ending, a line in any final song" is the same melody from the piano bit in Intro to the Snow as well !!
the part, not apart. still though yeah
I was playing it on piano and I realized that ❤
Also!!!!! In the forwards version of mind electric there’s a little piano part that plays during murders too. (Before the all but nothing at all part)
I read somewhere they're both from a classical piano song
bees and birds
i didnt even notice that humming in dream sweet and stranded lullaby, thats insane!
If you can remove the voice from the song through an app, in the French part of Dream Sweet in sea major, you will hear a robotic voice. (which could represent the voice of space station level 7).
I had no idea the humming in stranded lullaby was in DSISM
fun fact:
in "labyrinth" the female voice that sings, is singing to the rhythm of "the mind electric" (I say this because in the part of "see how the brain plays around, and you fall inside a hole you couldn't see" hear a whistle that sings the same melody)
Fun fact: thats not a female voice
@@KeruuKat Yes it is? They didn't say that "The Mind Electric" had a female voice
this is great! I was looking for any sort of analysis on either miracle musical or tally hall and this contributed a bunch! thanks for this
Have you found any other analysis?
theres also that bit at the end of dream sweet that sounds a hell of a lot like time machine
Which part is that? So far Time Machine is the only track I can't connect to the others
@@Forevopera the last one, it not only is exactly like the instrumental of Variations on a Cloud, but reminds of the Time Machine instrumental
Labyrinth and Time Machine are both in The Mind Electric! The bit before the opera has Time Machine on piano and after "doctor I can't believe I'm not me" has Labyrinth.
there's also a motif in the drums which is in a few songs. It goes something like: kick, snare, kick, kick, snare, snare, snare, snare
I love the leitmotifs....... Tally Hall had so many too and it gives the sense everything is connected MMMMMMMMMMMMM
The endings of Black Rainbows and White ball are very similar.
Maybe, you might be up something...
Legit the first comment that mentioned white ball, so sad cuz its a great song and my fave
Never a song without meaning and reference
look at joe hawleys songs
Dream sweet in sea major genuinely feels like the beginning singer at the end theyve went through so much but they want to go back in time my assumption is because of the line "for merely dreaming we were snow" changing the original of "with sparkle crystals souls aglow" and because the beginning songs named "introduction to the snow"
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS IN A COMPREHENSIVE LIST I LOVE THIS AND I LOVE MM's LEITMOTIFS
Time Machine appears at 1:56 of DSISM, as a robotic voice saying the chorus of “With a Time Machine”, and the last two repeats says “I wait for you”.
Murders piano also appears at 4:37
Why did I see the 1:56 timestamp glitched out at first but when I looked away it was gone
no?
neither of these exist, no clue what you're talking about...
The entire murders piano is availible in Hawaii Part 2 Part 2, so it's not like I can't check that, and it doesn't exist.
where tf do you hear time machine bro?
Here's another one;
At the end of the mind electric (for some reason this isn't in the lyric video version) at the line "Doctor, I can't tell if i'm not me" you can hear a quiet synthesizer playing one of the parts from Labryinth.
Before the opera/glitchy bit you can hear piano from Time Machine!
@@KeruuKat Wow, that's crazy
the lyric video is the album version backwards
@@zacknattack yeah, I noticed that
@@KeruuKat friend, with all due respect, the whole song is the opera/glitchy bit, could you provide lyrics or a timestamp, please?
This should really have more attention, since so many people are talking about the leitmotifs in the comments of Hawaii: Part II uploads.
I’m surprised nobody caught this before, but at the strumming at the very end of black rainbows is also present in the end of white ball!
During the glitched bit before “Nuns commence incanting” in The Mind Electric, the piano part from Murders (from just before “All, for nothing at all”) is present (slowed down and pitched down).
Also in The Mind Electric, during the “See how the serfs work the ground” section, the chiptunes (8-bit) part from Labyrinth is in the background.
The “Keep it coming back” part in Variations on a Cloud is almost identical to the beginning of Bye, Hi (from the end of Dream Sweet).
This one’s a bit of a weaker connection, but the very beginning and very end of Variations (the piano and the beat) sound like the end of Dream Sweet (the repeating notes).
Listen to Marianas Trench's No Place Like Home, it's also the amalgamation of all other songs in the album. Like an anthem of anthems. Bohemian Rhapsody material with ABA structure of music! Little Piece of Heaven by A7x is also like this. Jesus of Suburbia too.
Great video but you forgot mind electric/ laberynth
YES i love this video so much ive ranted to my friends about all these leitmotifs so much they probably hate me LOL
George Lucas:
It's like poetry
It rhymes
In general I personally noticed that a decent amount of lines or piano melodies have the either the same flow of variations on a clouds line “why don’t we keep it coming back” for example, the piano piece at the end of Introduction to the snow has the same melody. And a decent amount of mind electric lines have the same amount of syllables as one another
Not a massive fan of this album but I like the reccuring melodies
This is a great short analysis! What do the leitmotifs represent though!? I guess it’s up for interpretation.
Another: I think the pianos sound the same in ITTS and Isle Unto Thyself
I also noticed that at minute 0:42 of Tally Hall’s ‘Ruler of everything’ The Rythm and the Rhymes really looks like the “And they give it all they’ve got” part in The Mind Electric.
also VoaC straigt-up contains ruler of everything
@@intergraphenicwhat’s voac?
@@JoeMama-ne8wpvariations on a cloud
i think theyve used like 3 voice actors(joe, the guy in Labirynth, and the woman) for the entire hecking album
i’m pretty sure the ending of sweet dream in sea major is an extended version of the ending of white ball
hay uno que descubrí por haber escuchado tanto el album, pero no es un leitmotiv
las notas de las vocales de variations on a cloud cuando cantan la parte de keep it coming back son las mismas que las del principio de la parte final de dream sweet in sea mayor (justo antes de que empieze a cantar la parte de bye, hi, sight hawaii)
also, at the end of isle unto thyself (the intro to black rainbows), it very faintly says "worker, i saw you begin i-" like when Variations on a Cloud says "Miracle Worker, i saw you begin it". am i the only one that noticed it?
Awesome video!
Great video, one little thing. I wouldn’t call these leitmotifs? The story of the music is VERY vague. I know about the Simon thing, but there’s a reason that wasn’t included in the Final Cut. I think these are just little ideas that tie the music together, make it feel like one long song a little more than your average album might. Leitmotifs are little pieces of music that represent people or ideas, and that’s not really applicable here.
now, what do you think came first? DSiSM or the rest of the album?
Hard question, but I think the rest of the album came first, uh
Definitely the album, I heard VOAC in T.H. I.S and Murders was originally supposed to be in Good & Evil. Also I really liked that Joe sampled ROE with VOAC ❤
bit late but time machine was supposed to be a tally hall song and they preformed it live once
Thx!
Interesting vid. However, Leitmotifs only apply to motivic moments associated with a character in opera or other story based music. So these would just be motifs
Your friends must love you and you must be fun at parties :)
@@RCFox Of course! Though, to tell the truth, these wouldn’t even be motifs if we’re being technical. Motifs are simple ideas only a few notes long that reappear multiple times throughout the piece. While the things you’ve picked out are entire phrases with cadences. Good job making musical connections a toddler could pick out though! 😉
@@funnyandoriginalnamethatev8373 I'm glad to be part of the wholesome and nice community known as the tally hall fandom, with such friendly and welcoming members such as yourself.
@@funnyandoriginalnamethatev8373 god you're such a cunt
@@RCFox I was going to say there's no harm or shame in admitting you don't know something, but I proceeded to read OP's second comment and now I'm on your side 👍Shockingly, it IS possible to correct gaps in someone's knowledge without being a total ass about it!
only bad part of the album is his french