I was raised as a Muslim in Lebanon and couldn't agree more with Sam on the danger of Jihadism and the damage that it's causing. It's such a treat to have him as a public intellectual during these times!
I was wondering, while listening, about the call for Muslims to reject jihadism. Does that seem a practical possibility? Does his point that Muslims themselves are most vulnerable to jihadism ring true? For me, as a non-Muslim, it seems like it would be a terrifying act of heroism for Muslims to openly reject Hamas, for instance.
@@nancya7289 I think it would take many generations to reverse the hard-wiring done by jihadism. The current generation seems to struggle with having moral clarity about it. I agree with him that Muslims have a higher propensity for violence because of the nature of Islam being more compulsive and crude
you're part of the problem then. because you won't stand up to the terrorists you claim aren't part of you tired of it. i'm putting the BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS
Sam Harris is the most relevant and brilliant speaker in the Western world today. I am massive respect and admiration for Sam. Thank you for interviewing Sam.
Yeah he’s good but he’s not a patch on Douglas Murray. Watch his interview from last week with Bari Weiss. He’s an intellectual sniper who hits targets others can’t even see until he blows it away.
@@mumtrader Murray has an important message. While he is eloquent, articulate and clever, he flies off the handle acting out of control, I read one of his books and it was bad writing, like a populist flyer or something. The latter somewhat discredits the former and it causes people not to like or trust him, but what he says is proven fairly undeniably. Sam is more open and controlled - which is a good quality in a lecturer/debator.
@@dsamh I don’t want to argue with a Sam Harris fan boy. But ya, if he’s voting for Harris or encouraging his listeners to do so, he is a disgrace. And if you vote for Harris, you are a disgrace as well.
@@mikimel "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
HARRIS' prowess is UNLEASHED. His signature caustic wit and technical intellect are wonderfully showcased within this podcast. Each of his sentences are like strokes on an artist's canvas: the linguistic landscapes that he paints are unmatched by his contemporaries as he attains something that is impossible for most speakers; the act of attending to fine details without evoking the rhetorical boredom associated with 'hair-splitting'. THANK YOU Mr. SAM HARRIS for being a beam of sterilising light shining down upon a world of moral contamination. You are cheered from the sidelines by your many supporters!!!
@@user-fx6tp3gs8s I cheer the great audience members and commentors from the sidelines too, who are the real heroes of the story!!! The loyal, wonderful, beautiful and blessed viewers that watch the content in a bid to stay intellectually open and informed... of such a group of supreme human capital, what can one say other than that it is no rudimentary task to attend to topics of great import with attention undivided, conquering the vistas of knowledge that have been unleashed upon this vast netscape, accessible should we only turn the key on the lock of distractibility to enter the great labyrinth of those cerebrally mighty oracles who have the power to enrich the deepest recesses of our parched souls that have been sapped of age-old wisdom. Know that on your great odyssey of the mind, your many future selves are watching you and commending your efforts, saying only, "Thank you, dear sir. Thank you!!!"
More to the point a Zionist is someone who simply believes in Israel’s right to exist (as a Jewish nation). Doesn’t every citizen of any country believe their home country has a right to exist? What’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with being a Zionist. Being an Islamist on the other hand is truly awful.
@@cinemarYup and they keep losing. They are a group of people who will continually cut off their noses to spite their faces. They are so filled with jealousy and rage and know no other way to exist. It’s really sad. Of what use are they to humanity? Nobody wants them. Nobody.
What war are you referring to? Zionism predates the state of Israel. The first Zionist Congress was in the 19th century. I don't think you understand what a Zionist is.
That was hands down the most absolutely densely packed 70 minutes worth of interview I’ve ever seen. I feel like I’ve been here listening for the past 5 hours-that’s how much territory and nuance and reality this conversation covered. Thank you Sam and Dan. Top interview of 2024.
I have been following Sam Harris for a decade and never once have I heard him identify as Jewish. The aftermath of October 7 has done that for a lot of Jews.
I could be mistaken, but I think I've heard him say he was 'culturally Jewish' many years ago. He's an atheist of course, but he does appreciate the holidays, cultural aspects, etc... Much like many of us atheists still celebrate Christmas and appreciate the beauty of churches, etc...
@@Dan-id9qs Yes, that is what "culturally jewish"means..that you are ethnically jewish, not religieusly jewish but do partake in the traditional non religieus activities surrounding the big holidays
with all respect, Israel has been brutally and illegally occupying Palestine for 70 plus years, and in this time has massacred countless thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women and children. To deny that Israel is perpetrating anything other than genocide in Gaza is just bizarre to me. Thousands killed and maimed babies. Is it because the babies are brown you perhaps don’t care too much?
Same shit, forever. Taking the baton from terrorist Arafat who, like the current "Palestinian" leadership, are grifting billionaires while their people suffer
@jmc5335 Tommy Robinson is a knuckle-scraping bigot, but both Robinson and his far-right supporters pose less of a terrorist threat in the UK than Islamists. It's undeniable.
@@jmc5335 yes, it’s a refreshing counter to the stupidity of the critical theory inspired anti-Semitic propaganda spewing from “progressive” western neo-nazis otherwise.
It has suddenly occurred to me while listening to this that the word ‘Jihadist’ HASN’T been mentioned in the mainstream narrative, only that of Hamas and Israel. Indeed, the doctrinal root of Islamic conquest-through-violence is a huge forgotten factor here
@@jmc5335 one reality no one has to be educated in, woefully or otherwise, is that this "rejoinder" is barren of content. what a shock! that's actually a boon for you, since you can come thundering back in now with the facts TM and put us all - me especially - in our place. that you have stumbled across this thread is about to change all our lives! what luck.
Thank you for having Sam on. It was a "perfect" conversation! Points made, loud and clear, no signal distortion. The main "takeaway" for me is that the "debate" around Israel is not a real debate, it's a strawman meant to subvert and ultimately destroy its existence. And as a note to Israel's enemies, they understand this and like the Gorn, are growing very weary of it.
@@adamgates1142 Sam Harris is anything but clear on this topic. Even his opening statement is nonsensical. Like a little kid launching into whataboutism right off the bat because he knows his position is indefensible. Sam Harris has been an Islamophobe for decades. I had thought him becoming more spiritually inclined with his Waking Up app was moving him toward the ability to be less judgmental but the hatred was down there and October 7 just blew it right to the surface.
@@adamgates1142 Incredibly perceptive by you, Watson. It's as if Sam has somehow reached out and hypmotized all of us with a pair of crazy glasses or something.
@@jaykay6387 "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
I literally have to search for your channel inorder to watch your episodes, even though I'm subscribed. Its seems like your channel is shadowbanned by UA-cam and its also apparent by the number of views. Thank you for posting great content, Sam is a rare voice of reason in an otherwise insane world.
Everybody stopped watching Sam when they realized he got all of his information from NYT and CNN and insisted on talking about politics which he is clearly not qualified.
I am sympathetic to Israel in this situation, and I have lost a lot of friends, including fellow Jews, because of my opinion. But I keep hearing from you that the IDF is trying its hardest to save lives, and yet the photographs look like they have leveled the entire Gaza strip. It looks like they have bombed the entire place into the Stone Age. How does that comport with your contentions about the IDF taking extreme care to preserve civilian life? am I missing something?
As a European what personally shocks me the most is how little we have learned from WW2. They said WW2 ``never again`` but that was a lie it seems. Mass immigration has brought us a Nazi-Germany like behaviour we havent seen since the 30-40s in Germany. And i keep making that comparison because that is what these people resemble the most. Screaming for Intifada`s without knowing what that means. All wearing Arabic scarfs like a Nazi uniform, and all speaking with pure hatred in their voice. And usually behind the scenes the people who organize it, its almost always groups who work together with terrorists, or groups funded by terrorists. And to then see feminists for Palestine, and rainbow flags for Palestine makes me sick. I wish i could be angry with those people but thats pointless, they just dont know any better, they are clueless and just simply dont know anything. It is sad we have learned so little from one of the biggest (and painful) events in human history. And now with Oct 7 we are making the same mistakes we did in WW2 and that perhaps is the most shocking detail of it all.
Never again meant all people to us gentiles. Not just the chosen people. It's you who has failed literally the only history lesson we ever learnt in the west.
@@adamgates1142 You dont know what you are talking about. You are delusional. You believe in fake truths and cant even comprehend the most simple things. If anyone has failed, its you. In everything.
Excellent and brilliant conversation that clearly and concisely give clarity and sanity to these disturbing issues. I followed Sam Harris from the 90s, fellow non religious and pro Israel. I am relieved to hear his thoughts and share same views.
Almost 20 years after I started following him, I still notice his choice of analogies, images, words, in parallel with the concept itself. Creative but rigorous and to the point. Even when I disagree with him about something (not often as it happens) I think , that's the best way to put it.
49:10 Isn't this the same logic Sam Harris is critiquing among other leftists that defend Hamas? So if someone defends Hamas because their actions were provoked by Israel's alleged occupation they are being irrational, but we *should* see these actions as a justification for the state of Israel even though prior to these events Harris himself wouldn't have seen the need for a nation state of Israel. So much for his supreme rationalism.
What a fantastic conversation! I love that Sam shares things personally and also practical ideas on what universities can do. And as always, the moral debates are fascinating.
It’s not the first time you have Sam Harris on your podcast, you’re not crazy. It’s the second time I’ve watched, second episode where he’s a guest. Thank you for sharing ❤
Thank you gentlemen for a refreshingly uplifting conversation despite some of the necessarily gruesome topics. Such clear thinking and eloquence is sorely needed now on the trajectory of international Islamic jihadism and its consequences. And having slightly leant to the Left mostly, I'm disgusted with the apparent response of Western universities to 07 October. I hope this does not represent most of these communities. From Australia.
Some info on John walker lindh. John Walker Lindh, an American who joined the Taliban, was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan in late 2001 during the early stages of the U.S. invasion. He became known as the "American Taliban" and faced significant media attention. Here's a brief overview of what happened to him: 1. Capture: Lindh was captured in November 2001 during the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, a prison uprising in Afghanistan. He was found among Taliban prisoners and wounded. 2. Trial and Sentencing: Lindh was brought back to the U.S., where he was charged with several offenses, including providing material support to the Taliban. In 2002, he accepted a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty to two charges: supplying services to the Taliban and carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison. 3. Imprisonment: Lindh served most of his sentence in federal prison, and reports during his incarceration suggested that he maintained his extremist views. He was held under strict conditions. 4. Release: John Walker Lindh was released from prison in May 2019 after serving 17 years of his 20-year sentence. His release was under strict supervision and conditions, including restrictions on internet use and communication with extremists. Since his release, Lindh has maintained a low profile, and little is known publicly about his life afterward. His case remains a point of controversy in discussions about radicalization and terrorism in the U.S. Could he return to the Taliban?
Three points were made so well: 1) western values are at stake 2) whilst the liberal left may feel “good” about shouting for their cause, Hamas/ Hezbollah/ Houthi’s/ Iran do not care and do not differentiate 3) Sam’s comment about imagine if Israel did what Hamas did….and how impossible that would be to even contemplate….thank you for another superb conversation. I like Sam could count on one hand the episodes I have missed of Call Me Back since Oct 7.
@@adamgates1142 Israel has been very generous to Palestinians for decades, any other countries would've pulverized Palestinians if it attempts to terrorize your country every 5-10 years.
Thank you for the interview. Sam Harris has a way of clarifying things that should be obvious, but in today’s flood of information, it's hard to arrive at such clear thoughts. I’ve been thinking about his relatively harsh and uncompromising stance on combating this hateful ideology for a while now. And even though part of me resists this approach, it might actually be the only realistic one. He reminds me of Helmut Schmidt, who maintained a similarly unyielding stance, both against the RAF terrorists and in his position on the NATO Double-Track Decision. Many of his opponents later admitted he was right. Schmidt grounded his decisions in philosophy, particularly Karl Popper’s ideas, and wasn’t swayed by the mood of the times.
I researched Karl Popper's theories out of interest, and it's quite fitting: Paradox of Tolerance: Popper proposed the "paradox of tolerance": a tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance to protect itself. Unrestricted tolerance towards intolerant ideologies can ultimately undermine the freedom and openness of society. - It is worth paying even more attention to him, Schmidt has sought good advice.
I just found your show, and am enjoying it. However, PLEASE get rid of your background “Call Me Back” moving sign! It is HORRIBLY distracting and annoying to watch while trying to listen to the conversation with a guest.
I too am at the end of my patience.since oct 7; Every single person I know and meet, in my mind, are divide into two categories Antisemetic or not...I dont fall for the I"m not antisemetic, just antizionisst nonsense.
Sam you obviously don’t understand the depth of knowledge and wisdom in the Torah and Jewish texts. I have come back to Judaism since Oct 7 and without certain Rabbis available on UA-cam, I don’t know how I could have managed as a Jew since then. It is a beautiful thing - Judaism. ✡️ and Israel is our heart and soul 🕎 our homeland.
No just modern day Israelis but the Jewish people over millennia have grappled with wether to ransom or refrain in order to discourage more hostage taking
In my opinion the disturbing reaction of the global community is more plausible when viewed through the lense of oppressor vs oppressed. I don’t believe that the majority of people who believe that Israel are in the wrong are antisemitic. Neither do I think those that support Israel are Islamophobic. I’m a bit disappointed that Sam doesn’t see the irony in labeling the current anti Israel sentiment as “antisemitism” but then goes on to plea that people shouldn’t view any criticism of Islam as islamaphobic. The reality is that many folks see Israel as white, western, wealthy and privileged and the Palestinians as poor, underprivileged and brown skinned., regardless of their religious beliefs. This is nothing more than an extension of the woke world view that Sam is all to aware of. The perceived victim can do no wrong and the protestations of the accused are seen as further proof of guilt.
Wow, impeccable reasoning Sam. Bravo, such a fine amazingly intellectual human. Is so incredibly flawless that I want to rip both my arms right out of their sockets clapping like an insane person.
The main Israeli argument for returning the hostages at any cost is that no one in Israel who isn’t a far right fanatic would be willing to serve in the IDF or live on the border knowing that the government wouldn’t be inclined to do anything to get them back in the case of kidnapping. Israel unlike Hamas is a culture that celebrates life and not death. The value of saving every life of every hostage while we still can is the most important thing for Israeli moral. Without that Israel would become an empty shell of a society. The main criticism should be directed at the fact that on 7.10 so many civilians were kidnapped without enough resistance from the army. The criticism shouldn’t be directed at the cost of returning all of the hostages home.
And Arafat before them and all their leaders that were so stubborn and could never compromise, trained and brainwashed by the nazis to hate jews, and still to this day.
i think the heart of the globally massive Islamic movement is shame and an intuitive understanding of how backwards their way of thought and life it. They cannot face it so they blinker themselves from reality and create this hell on earth for themselves which is really a kind of punishment they feel they deserve, or must push themselves to deserve.
It's refreshing to see a commentariat that doesn't involve such statements as "Israel was promised to the Jews", "God bless Israel", "The Chosen people", "Praying for Israel" nonsense. There are sufficient enough reasons to support Israel without invoking imagined gods.
I like both of these guys, but I am baffled that Sam seems blind to the fact, and Dan gave zero pushback to Sam's missing that, Jewishness is a genetic ethnicity, identifiable in genetic testing. That means that a Jewish state is NOT a religion-based state but, like a zillion other countries, a nation based on an indigenous peoplehood. With this understanding there is no fundamental difference between a French state, German state, Chinese state, Egyptian state and a Jewish state. How is this missed??
Do those countries preference immigration of those who are ethnically French, for example? The best comparison is with Native American reservations. Their immigration policies and nation-state laws are nearly identical to Israel’s.
I don't think you'd find Albert Einstein standing with you on your team given that remark. And, one of the great thinkers today, Yuval Harari accurately in my opinion stated that intelligence is far less important to our survival than our consciousness. Savagery and revenge killing and brute force is quite lacking in both intelligence and consciousness. And, if Netanyahu had been as smart as the Iranians are being, he would have found a much better way to help the country he purports to care about.
@MD-bu3xc Hours before the Gaziatep Turkey earthquake, I was watching a video on AL Jazeera youtube about the Palestinians. I wrote that God said, "Make Israel one. ( it means to bring peace and reconciliation between Jew, Christian, Muslim, cousins by Abraham) A muslim brother answered, Jews and Christians will be humiliated by God. I answered, No. We are all God's children. No one sticks a metaphorical rock in God's throat. The Prephet Muhamad knew this. Sometimes, it feels like 500,000 Gazans are holding the world hostage. The earth will quake. And it did quake. It killed 50,000 people. Go look up the meaning of empirical. German was my first language.
I was raised as a Muslim in Lebanon and couldn't agree more with Sam on the danger of Jihadism and the damage that it's causing. It's such a treat to have him as a public intellectual during these times!
I was wondering, while listening, about the call for Muslims to reject jihadism. Does that seem a practical possibility?
Does his point that Muslims themselves are most vulnerable to jihadism ring true?
For me, as a non-Muslim, it seems like it would be a terrifying act of heroism for Muslims to openly reject Hamas, for instance.
@@nancya7289 I think it would take many generations to reverse the hard-wiring done by jihadism. The current generation seems to struggle with having moral clarity about it. I agree with him that Muslims have a higher propensity for violence because of the nature of Islam being more compulsive and crude
Practical possibility, no.
Vulnerable, yes.
Heroic, yes.
you're part of the problem then. because you won't stand up to the terrorists you claim aren't part of you
tired of it. i'm putting the BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS
Thanks for your honesty
Sam has such clarity on these issues it's amazing. A national treasure!
Why does everybody who watch same Harris say the exact same things in the comment section? Bots or something much worse
Moral clarity? If Trump was president, then October 7 would never have happened.
National treasure for Israel!
@@adamgates1142 seems to me like you’re the bot here. Just spamming this comment section with your negativity
Yes he is.
Sam Harris is the most relevant and brilliant speaker in the Western world today.
I am massive respect and admiration for Sam.
Thank you for interviewing Sam.
@@justgivemethetruth he's super smart
@@Tinydigs
Not to say he knows everything or cannot be wrong about stuff.
@@justgivemethetruth of course
Yeah he’s good but he’s not a patch on Douglas Murray. Watch his interview from last week with Bari Weiss. He’s an intellectual sniper who hits targets others can’t even see until he blows it away.
@@mumtrader
Murray has an important message. While he is eloquent, articulate and clever, he flies off the handle acting out of control,
I read one of his books and it was bad writing, like a populist flyer or something. The latter somewhat discredits the former and it causes people not to like or trust him, but what he says is proven fairly undeniably.
Sam is more open and controlled - which is a good quality in a lecturer/debator.
Moral clarity served. Thank you Sam Harris.
Made some good points… but, thinks Kamala should be president and not Trump. A disgrace.
Are you a human or a bot?
@@dsamh I don’t want to argue with a Sam Harris fan boy. But ya, if he’s voting for Harris or encouraging his listeners to do so, he is a disgrace. And if you vote for Harris, you are a disgrace as well.
@@sam-te1fu No I was actually wondering about this engagement under *this* videa. Sorry if I offended you.
@@mikimel "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
HARRIS' prowess is UNLEASHED. His signature caustic wit and technical intellect are wonderfully showcased within this podcast. Each of his sentences are like strokes on an artist's canvas: the linguistic landscapes that he paints are unmatched by his contemporaries as he attains something that is impossible for most speakers; the act of attending to fine details without evoking the rhetorical boredom associated with 'hair-splitting'. THANK YOU Mr. SAM HARRIS for being a beam of sterilising light shining down upon a world of moral contamination. You are cheered from the sidelines by your many supporters!!!
Smh
@@user-fx6tp3gs8s I cheer the great audience members and commentors from the sidelines too, who are the real heroes of the story!!! The loyal, wonderful, beautiful and blessed viewers that watch the content in a bid to stay intellectually open and informed... of such a group of supreme human capital, what can one say other than that it is no rudimentary task to attend to topics of great import with attention undivided, conquering the vistas of knowledge that have been unleashed upon this vast netscape, accessible should we only turn the key on the lock of distractibility to enter the great labyrinth of those cerebrally mighty oracles who have the power to enrich the deepest recesses of our parched souls that have been sapped of age-old wisdom. Know that on your great odyssey of the mind, your many future selves are watching you and commending your efforts, saying only, "Thank you, dear sir. Thank you!!!"
Calling Israelis "Zionists" is like still calling Americans "Revolutionaries". It's a childish way to never admit the war is over and you lost.
Well said.
Palestinains do not know how to lose.
More to the point a Zionist is someone who simply believes in Israel’s right to exist (as a Jewish nation). Doesn’t every citizen of any country believe their home country has a right to exist? What’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with being a Zionist. Being an Islamist on the other hand is truly awful.
@@cinemarYup and they keep losing. They are a group of people who will continually cut off their noses to spite their faces. They are so filled with jealousy and rage and know no other way to exist. It’s really sad. Of what use are they to humanity? Nobody wants them. Nobody.
What war are you referring to? Zionism predates the state of Israel. The first Zionist Congress was in the 19th century. I don't think you understand what a Zionist is.
For Sam Harris to say that he's listened to about every episode of Call Me Back since 10/07 is one hell of a compliment. Cheers!
That was hands down the most absolutely densely packed 70 minutes worth of interview I’ve ever seen. I feel like I’ve been here listening for the past 5 hours-that’s how much territory and nuance and reality this conversation covered.
Thank you Sam and Dan. Top interview of 2024.
Thank you so much for all that you do. Your podcast is so important. And very much needed.
Agreed
I have been following Sam Harris for a decade and never once have I heard him identify as Jewish. The aftermath of October 7 has done that for a lot of Jews.
I could be mistaken, but I think I've heard him say he was 'culturally Jewish' many years ago. He's an atheist of course, but he does appreciate the holidays, cultural aspects, etc...
Much like many of us atheists still celebrate Christmas and appreciate the beauty of churches, etc...
@@kdemetter huh?, no he is ethnically jewish. he is ashkenazi. if you don't know what you're talking about, why comment?
What I have been following him forever. He is jewish? Lol no idea.
@@Dan-id9qs Yes, that is what "culturally jewish"means..that you are ethnically jewish, not religieusly jewish but do partake in the traditional non religieus activities surrounding the big holidays
Same here, the most influential people in my life have been Jewish.
Palestinians did nothing new just big scale on oct 7.
with all respect, Israel has been brutally and illegally occupying Palestine for 70 plus years, and in this time has massacred countless thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women and children. To deny that Israel is perpetrating anything other than genocide in Gaza is just bizarre to me. Thousands killed and maimed babies. Is it because the babies are brown you perhaps don’t care too much?
@@jamescarr5796 Jews have lived there for thousands of years. Was before Islam was ever established.
They are feral humans and of zero use to humanity and clearly lack any…
Same shit, forever. Taking the baton from terrorist Arafat who, like the current "Palestinian" leadership, are grifting billionaires while their people suffer
I'd like to import Sam Harris and his wisdom to England. Goodness knows we need him.
He never saw any harm in Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. How did that work out?
@jmc5335 Tommy Robinson is a knuckle-scraping bigot, but both Robinson and his far-right supporters pose less of a terrorist threat in the UK than Islamists. It's undeniable.
Why? You have Douglas Murray.
@@mumtrader So does Israel.
@@jmc5335 yes, it’s a refreshing counter to the stupidity of the critical theory inspired anti-Semitic propaganda spewing from “progressive” western neo-nazis otherwise.
Dan Senor and Sam Harris are speaking my language.
Sam is so good and always on point
English?
Wow! What a wonderful conversation with clear and well-argued statements. We Israelis need more defenders like you.
You believe the settlers should be dragged from Palestine by their beards?
You said clear. This signals that you are in the Sam Harris cult and definitely not a bot.
They threw a Palestinian teenager off a roof after they killed him
It has suddenly occurred to me while listening to this that the word ‘Jihadist’ HASN’T been mentioned in the mainstream narrative, only that of Hamas and Israel. Indeed, the doctrinal root of Islamic conquest-through-violence is a huge forgotten factor here
The first minute of this video should end about 85% of the entire "debate" concerning Hamas vs. Israel for all time.
Only if you're woefully uneducated on the realities
@@jmc5335And evidently you certainly are woefully uneducated.
@@jmc5335 thank you. I hope the people commenting are just clueless or bots. It’s pretty cringe
@@jmc5335 one reality no one has to be educated in, woefully or otherwise, is that this "rejoinder" is barren of content. what a shock! that's actually a boon for you, since you can come thundering back in now with the facts TM and put us all - me especially - in our place. that you have stumbled across this thread is about to change all our lives! what luck.
Who killed 60% of Israeli casualties on October 7.
A. Hamas
B. IDF
Oh look, normal, rational, reasonable people still exist!
Thank you for having Sam on. It was a "perfect" conversation! Points made, loud and clear, no signal distortion. The main "takeaway" for me is that the "debate" around Israel is not a real debate, it's a strawman meant to subvert and ultimately destroy its existence. And as a note to Israel's enemies, they understand this and like the Gorn, are growing very weary of it.
Clear! Every Sam Harris viewer says clear or clarity in their sycophantic praise. It's almost like you people have no minds of your own.
@@adamgates1142 Sam Harris is anything but clear on this topic. Even his opening statement is nonsensical. Like a little kid launching into whataboutism right off the bat because he knows his position is indefensible. Sam Harris has been an Islamophobe for decades. I had thought him becoming more spiritually inclined with his Waking Up app was moving him toward the ability to be less judgmental but the hatred was down there and October 7 just blew it right to the surface.
@@adamgates1142 Incredibly perceptive by you, Watson. It's as if Sam has somehow reached out and hypmotized all of us with a pair of crazy glasses or something.
@@MD-bu3xc He's not an Islamophobe, he just thinks Islam sucks.
@@jaykay6387 "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben-Gurion - Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
I literally have to search for your channel inorder to watch your episodes, even though I'm subscribed. Its seems like your channel is shadowbanned by UA-cam and its also apparent by the number of views. Thank you for posting great content, Sam is a rare voice of reason in an otherwise insane world.
Pops up for me
@@binarybyting Yup mine too!
Everybody stopped watching Sam when they realized he got all of his information from NYT and CNN and insisted on talking about politics which he is clearly not qualified.
@@adamgates1142just you
@@adamgates1142 He's doing fine without you. So is everyone who still listens to him.
Sam Harris you are the voice of sanity in this insane world! Special thanks to Dan Senor for this excellent interview!! 👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏
I waited for this discussion for too long. Better late than never. Thank you, Sam and Dan.
Thank you both so much!! The world need much more bright minds as yourselves!!! Thank you and bless you both!!!!! M
Conversations like these are keeping me sane. Thank you!
Really respect Sam for standing with the truth in an era of political correctness and Islamophobia labels, etc
Been following Sam since I was in my teens and now in my 40s, truly the voice of reason we need.
Really grateful Sam deconstructed Dan's fear of that NYC subway clip in such a rational way.
Love the new video format. Audio podcast is great, but this adds a new layer.
I am sympathetic to Israel in this situation, and I have lost a lot of friends, including fellow Jews, because of my opinion. But I keep hearing from you that the IDF is trying its hardest to save lives, and yet the photographs look like they have leveled the entire Gaza strip. It looks like they have bombed the entire place into the Stone Age. How does that comport with your contentions about the IDF taking extreme care to preserve civilian life? am I missing something?
you are not missing anything … this conversation is ..
As a European what personally shocks me the most is how little we have learned from WW2. They said WW2 ``never again`` but that was a lie it seems.
Mass immigration has brought us a Nazi-Germany like behaviour we havent seen since the 30-40s in Germany.
And i keep making that comparison because that is what these people resemble the most. Screaming for Intifada`s without knowing what that means. All wearing Arabic scarfs like a Nazi uniform, and all speaking with pure hatred in their voice.
And usually behind the scenes the people who organize it, its almost always groups who work together with terrorists, or groups funded by terrorists.
And to then see feminists for Palestine, and rainbow flags for Palestine makes me sick.
I wish i could be angry with those people but thats pointless, they just dont know any better, they are clueless and just simply dont know anything. It is sad we have learned so little from one of the biggest (and painful) events in human history. And now with Oct 7 we are making the same mistakes we did in WW2 and that perhaps is the most shocking detail of it all.
Never again meant all people to us gentiles. Not just the chosen people. It's you who has failed literally the only history lesson we ever learnt in the west.
@@adamgates1142 You dont know what you are talking about. You are delusional. You believe in fake truths and cant even comprehend the most simple things. If anyone has failed, its you. In everything.
Wonderful grownup conversation, thank you both.
Thank you, Sam. You are such an amazing and clear thinker.
I was previously unfamiliar with this podcast, but was directed here from Sam's channel. Great conversation.
Excellent and brilliant conversation that clearly and concisely give clarity and sanity to these disturbing issues. I followed Sam Harris from the 90s, fellow non religious and pro Israel. I am relieved to hear his thoughts and share same views.
When it comes to Israel Sam’s views are abhorrent
@@paws315 Why do you say that?
@@paws315The would be to a neo nazi
@Sabrina96 Because genocide is evil. Duhhhhhhh. Have you learned anything from history other than Hitler's bad? If not your education was a success.
Almost 20 years after I started following him, I still notice his choice of analogies, images, words, in parallel with the concept itself. Creative but rigorous and to the point.
Even when I disagree with him about something (not often as it happens) I think , that's the best way to put it.
Great podcast, thank you for your insightful conversations I hope you will keep doing it for years to come!!
Always excellent interviews and discussions. Thank you both, Dan and Sam.
Sam Harris is an absolute legend. Rationality in a world of chaos
We keep saying and hearing the same things again and again as if in an endless nightmare that nobody seems able to crack open.
49:10 Isn't this the same logic Sam Harris is critiquing among other leftists that defend Hamas?
So if someone defends Hamas because their actions were provoked by Israel's alleged occupation they are being irrational, but we *should* see these actions as a justification for the state of Israel even though prior to these events Harris himself wouldn't have seen the need for a nation state of Israel. So much for his supreme rationalism.
Thank you for the discussion.
I saw Sam Harris in the title but thought Ben Stiller. Coffee hasn’t kicked in.
Being unoriginal and boring should be a crime.
Sam isn't as smart as Ben stiller that's for sure
What a fantastic conversation! I love that Sam shares things personally and also practical ideas on what universities can do. And as always, the moral debates are fascinating.
Thanks for having Sam Harris, he has wisdom and articulates it well.
Thank you Sam and the Interviewer, great video.
It’s not the first time you have Sam Harris on your podcast, you’re not crazy. It’s the second time I’ve watched, second episode where he’s a guest. Thank you for sharing ❤
Thank you gentlemen for a refreshingly uplifting conversation despite some of the necessarily gruesome topics. Such clear thinking and eloquence is sorely needed now on the trajectory of international Islamic jihadism and its consequences. And having slightly leant to the Left mostly, I'm disgusted with the apparent response of Western universities to 07 October. I hope this does not represent most of these communities. From Australia.
Excellent insightful interview. I learned so much.
Some info on John walker lindh. John Walker Lindh, an American who joined the Taliban, was captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan in late 2001 during the early stages of the U.S. invasion. He became known as the "American Taliban" and faced significant media attention.
Here's a brief overview of what happened to him:
1. Capture: Lindh was captured in November 2001 during the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, a prison uprising in Afghanistan. He was found among Taliban prisoners and wounded.
2. Trial and Sentencing: Lindh was brought back to the U.S., where he was charged with several offenses, including providing material support to the Taliban. In 2002, he accepted a plea deal in which he pleaded guilty to two charges: supplying services to the Taliban and carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
3. Imprisonment: Lindh served most of his sentence in federal prison, and reports during his incarceration suggested that he maintained his extremist views. He was held under strict conditions.
4. Release: John Walker Lindh was released from prison in May 2019 after serving 17 years of his 20-year sentence. His release was under strict supervision and conditions, including restrictions on internet use and communication with extremists.
Since his release, Lindh has maintained a low profile, and little is known publicly about his life afterward. His case remains a point of controversy in discussions about radicalization and terrorism in the U.S.
Could he return to the Taliban?
Brilliant discussion.
Three points were made so well: 1) western values are at stake 2) whilst the liberal left may feel “good” about shouting for their cause, Hamas/ Hezbollah/ Houthi’s/ Iran do not care and do not differentiate 3) Sam’s comment about imagine if Israel did what Hamas did….and how impossible that would be to even contemplate….thank you for another superb conversation. I like Sam could count on one hand the episodes I have missed of Call Me Back since Oct 7.
Israel being responsible for Sabra and Shatila means I don't need to comprehend as I already know
Israel killed the majority of Israelis on October 7 according to Haaretz. So they kinda did and it was to their own people!
That's not to mention what Israeli's have done to Palestinians for many decades
@@jmc5335 the thing he said is inconceivable is the Israelis hiding behind women and children like Hamas. Sabra and shatila is irrelevant.
@@adamgates1142 Israel has been very generous to Palestinians for decades, any other countries would've pulverized Palestinians if it attempts to terrorize your country every 5-10 years.
Thank you for the interview. Sam Harris has a way of clarifying things that should be obvious, but in today’s flood of information, it's hard to arrive at such clear thoughts. I’ve been thinking about his relatively harsh and uncompromising stance on combating this hateful ideology for a while now. And even though part of me resists this approach, it might actually be the only realistic one. He reminds me of Helmut Schmidt, who maintained a similarly unyielding stance, both against the RAF terrorists and in his position on the NATO Double-Track Decision. Many of his opponents later admitted he was right. Schmidt grounded his decisions in philosophy, particularly Karl Popper’s ideas, and wasn’t swayed by the mood of the times.
Who are the RAF terrorists you are referring to?
I researched Karl Popper's theories out of interest, and it's quite fitting:
Paradox of Tolerance: Popper proposed the "paradox of tolerance": a tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance to protect itself. Unrestricted tolerance towards intolerant ideologies can ultimately undermine the freedom and openness of society. - It is worth paying even more attention to him, Schmidt has sought good advice.
I just found your show, and am enjoying it. However, PLEASE get rid of your background “Call Me Back” moving sign! It is HORRIBLY distracting and annoying to watch while trying to listen to the conversation with a guest.
What about the treatment of the Palestinians before October 7th ?
Good to hear a serious discussion between two honest men.
The Best Philosopher, Sam Harris!!
I love harris. I love that he s a person i can disagree with but still love. So thoughtful this guy.
'We just have to defend these values without apology'
Sam Harris is one of the clearest and most courageous voices of our time. Great interview.
I too am at the end of my patience.since oct 7; Every single person I know and meet, in my mind, are divide into two categories Antisemetic or not...I dont fall for the I"m not antisemetic, just antizionisst nonsense.
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Great conversation! Thanks to both.
Since 9/11 , Sam Harris has shaped my world. Since 7/10, Dan the same. Thanks gents.
Thank god for Sam Harris
Brilliant conversation, thank you both.
Sam you obviously don’t understand the depth of knowledge and wisdom in the Torah and Jewish texts. I have come back to Judaism since Oct 7 and without certain Rabbis available on UA-cam, I don’t know how I could have managed as a Jew since then. It is a beautiful thing - Judaism. ✡️ and Israel is our heart and soul 🕎 our homeland.
its ok, we accept him as he is.
@@Abu_Shimshi He is only Jewish by birth and inherited family culture. Otherwise he is an atheist.
I would have thought the genocide would have turned you the other way....
The host said "the use of sexual violence amazed me" He's obviously never read about The My Lai Massacre, 1968.
No just modern day Israelis but the Jewish people over millennia have grappled with wether to ransom or refrain in order to discourage more hostage taking
Omg the poor innocent you know who. Everybody's just jelly.
Please google "Hannibal Directive" when it comes to Israeli hostage policy.
Thanks Sam!
What an incredible thinker
Thank you, very intelligent conversation. Am Israel Chai 🇮🇱!
As an Israeli, got to say that for 36:05, the answer might be - no it was ok.
That's how much we are obsessed over saving lives. To a fault.
Desperation isn't justification for terrorism, murder, rape. Nothing is.
Checkpoints? The horror, the horror.
Thank you sam harris for being a rational voice
Excellent discussion, Thank you.
In my opinion the disturbing reaction of the global community is more plausible when viewed through the lense of oppressor vs oppressed. I don’t believe that the majority of people who believe that Israel are in the wrong are antisemitic. Neither do I think those that support Israel are Islamophobic. I’m a bit disappointed that Sam doesn’t see the irony in labeling the current anti Israel sentiment as “antisemitism” but then goes on to plea that people shouldn’t view any criticism of Islam as islamaphobic.
The reality is that many folks see Israel as white, western, wealthy and privileged and the Palestinians as poor, underprivileged and brown skinned., regardless of their religious beliefs. This is nothing more than an extension of the woke world view that Sam is all to aware of.
The perceived victim can do no wrong and the protestations of the accused are seen as further proof of guilt.
Wow, impeccable reasoning Sam. Bravo, such a fine amazingly intellectual human. Is so incredibly flawless that I want to rip both my arms right out of their sockets clapping like an insane person.
Thank you for the light within the overwhelming entanglement of language misidentifying evil trends with activism for humanity.
Sam is really good at disentangling concepts into simple language
Thank you!
The saying that most people just want to raise their families and peacefully work is overstated if not just wrong
I admire Sam Harris, he is a world of civilization treasure.
The main Israeli argument for returning the hostages at any cost is that no one in Israel who isn’t a far right fanatic would be willing to serve in the IDF or live on the border knowing that the government wouldn’t be inclined to do anything to get them back in the case of kidnapping. Israel unlike Hamas is a culture that celebrates life and not death. The value of saving every life of every hostage while we still can is the most important thing for Israeli moral. Without that Israel would become an empty shell of a society.
The main criticism should be directed at the fact that on 7.10 so many civilians were kidnapped without enough resistance from the army. The criticism shouldn’t be directed at the cost of returning all of the hostages home.
Brilliant clarity of thought.
What a joy!
Dan Senor is a treasure too. Keep doing the podcasts!
Seems to be just common sense, people act like you excuse Israel if you blame Hamas. Hamas is to blame for most of the suffering of the Gazans.
And Arafat before them and all their leaders that were so stubborn and could never compromise, trained and brainwashed by the nazis to hate jews, and still to this day.
Great interview. Thumbs up and subscriber. Something of note Dan, is that it seems the camera pointing at you is not properly focused.
i think the heart of the globally massive Islamic movement is shame and an intuitive understanding of how backwards their way of thought and life it. They cannot face it so they blinker themselves from reality and create this hell on earth for themselves which is really a kind of punishment they feel they deserve, or must push themselves to deserve.
I’m new to this podcast. Great example of alternative media
conversations this intelligent feel like they nourish the soul
What an interview. Amazing.
It's refreshing to see a commentariat that doesn't involve such statements as "Israel was promised to the Jews", "God bless Israel", "The Chosen people", "Praying for Israel" nonsense. There are sufficient enough reasons to support Israel without invoking imagined gods.
The lack of values that makes someone behave badly is the same lack of values that prevents them from being aware that they act badly.
The argument that if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could is a poor argument and I think people should stop using it in that form anyway.
Pray for Israel
Hannibal Directive is how it's done by Israel.
Remarkable breakdown. Hands down
I like both of these guys, but I am baffled that Sam seems blind to the fact, and Dan gave zero pushback to Sam's missing that, Jewishness is a genetic ethnicity, identifiable in genetic testing. That means that a Jewish state is NOT a religion-based state but, like a zillion other countries, a nation based on an indigenous peoplehood. With this understanding there is no fundamental difference between a French state, German state, Chinese state, Egyptian state and a Jewish state. How is this missed??
Do those countries preference immigration of those who are ethnically French, for example? The best comparison is with Native American reservations. Their immigration policies and nation-state laws are nearly identical to Israel’s.
@@buddhaway please cite sources
Wow, that was some feat of linguistic contortions. Not buying.
@@paws315 For what?
I have not found an Albert Einstein in Islam
You should read what Albert thought about Zionism. He was correct.
I don't think you'd find Albert Einstein standing with you on your team given that remark. And, one of the great thinkers today, Yuval Harari accurately in my opinion stated that intelligence is far less important to our survival than our consciousness. Savagery and revenge killing and brute force is quite lacking in both intelligence and consciousness. And, if Netanyahu had been as smart as the Iranians are being, he would have found a much better way to help the country he purports to care about.
@MD-bu3xc Hours before the Gaziatep Turkey earthquake, I was watching a video on AL Jazeera youtube about the Palestinians. I wrote that God said, "Make Israel one. ( it means to bring peace and reconciliation between Jew, Christian, Muslim, cousins by Abraham)
A muslim brother answered, Jews and Christians will be humiliated by God.
I answered, No. We are all God's children. No one sticks a metaphorical rock in God's throat. The Prephet Muhamad knew this. Sometimes, it feels like 500,000 Gazans are holding the world hostage. The earth will quake. And it did quake. It killed 50,000 people.
Go look up the meaning of empirical. German was my first language.
@MD-bu3xc Really, Sam Harris disgusts you? Why. Here, let me disgust you. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob.
@@adamgates1142 wrong.
Great discussion thanks
Read Spinoza's "Ethics."
Thank goodness for Sam Harris! Stay safe Sam - your voice is needed.
Such a drag!