I’ve noticed over the years that rope or cable as it gets shorter has less stretch… it snaps easier with less length… this may come into play in this scenario. Also the bigger the wheel (radius) on the pulley the more weight rope or cable can take. I’m so glad everyone was ok and no damage was done. Jeff I think it takes a real man to put up mistakes on social media- we all make mistakes just some don’t like showing them! Thank you and God Bless.
Most likely a cycle to failure situation, rope looks fairly old... but you'd know what you've done with that thing! Thanks for sharing and putting yourself out there.
I’m a mechanic working for a tree company, I operate the bucket truck and unfortunately the main guy. We have a 65’ reach with the bucket truck. You can take a pole hook and a pole saw up in the bucket and reach around 10’ higher and if you’re in a situation where you have a couple trees closer together where you don’t have to rig everything down you can use the pole saw to reach much more with one setup of the truck and get done faster. I’m only giving you my secrets to help that I don’t see other companies use. Here’s my last one I’ll share without any response you can take the head off the pole saw and install it on a weed eater on stihl equipment. I am still trying new ideas but I think I’m pretty good at cutting trees much much more prefer fixing equipment. I just subscribed to help you too
Damn bud! That sucks. What I appreciate about guys like you, is that things don't always work out like you try so hard to plan for. I'm good at what I do. Consider myself a perfectionist. Once in a great while I'll make a mistake. Keep your head up!
We tend to run without a ground crew. So we do negative rig, but no run. Just as short a leash as possible, and after its hanging we drop down and chop it up piece by piece. But we also run 5/8 AmSteel rope that we got used. You can sometimes come across it at electrical equipment auctions from their big old wire pullers. New it has a min break of 37000lbs so even degraded its still really strong and has proven to be very durable. Just FYI if you ever come across some its worked well for us.
The rope looks to be pretty weathered. I bet there was a damaged spot that let go. I've rigged down pieces that size with 1/2 inch regularly with no issue. Looks like the ground guy was doing a good job of letting it run to ease the shock load.
Schroeder the Shredder uses a 'gasser' - right? I mean, watch those speedlines! Striking to see the rope failure: I know your heart and mind were heavy in thought afterwards. Nobody injured or property compromised. Experience, lifetime of work, yet things happen. All good Jeff.
Hey Jeff, as you have stated before there might be a place for battery saws but not for those of you that climb - mainly battery life. That are some tight quarters you are working in. Those are some gorgeous views you get. How many of your ground crew had to change their shorts - LOL. Stay safe.
Jeff I'm with you on the Gas Saw. That was some kind of luck with the 9/16 Rope breaking. That's just one of those scary unpredictable occurrences. Hope you get the Likes. Great Job.
Had one like this, rope held on just long enough to get the log to swing out and away from targets when the rope snapped. I always say that for how often trees fail and break things, it’s a damn miracle how often they don’t.
@@jeffschroeder9089 Never been a fan of Husky top handles but they make some killer bigger saws. The little echo electric saw is the most enjoyable battery saw I have used, it's light and has enough oomph for small jobs. If I have big kills it's nice to have a gas saw.
I wonder if the carabiner was a contributor to the failure of the rope and if a half hitch would of helped prevent the failure of not... any thoughts on that? I've also wondered if constant use of the last 5-6 ft of the rope make it more prone to failure over time and if it's beneficial to remove a about 6ft or so after a few years. I have a lot of thoughts while in a tree and can't help but think of things like that. Not sure if any of them are valid. Glad it worked out for you.
@@Woodman_Custom_Sawing rope broke at radius around the block I feel it locked up because of sap, if we swapped ends it probably wouldn’t have broken. Another thing is I rigged one about the same wieght right before that and didn’t break I think we got to a sappy part of the rope 🤷
Jeff what was the tree species? Balsam fir have lotsa pitch pockets that'll goop up a running rope when it's run along the trunk - then you have a whole stem length of pitch to glue stuff up over and over, including the porty or other capstan on the bottom not just the rope. Everclear can be your friend with trees like this - the ethanol is as close to 100% as you can get these days and it removes pitch just with a rag as long as it hasn't hardened on uncleaned equipment/ rope for a couple of weeks in the sun. And I agree with the comment about bend radius being important on a negative rigging block - up high the bigger the sheeve the better really if you're dropping big weight onto it. Or a double block setup - it'll give you more rope in the system. If I'm slammin' wood around, I still prefer my old big heavy blocks though for up top (and big slings like 1" stuff). Call me old fashioned. Thanks for the videos - always learn something watching you ! Stay safe out there.
My T540i works great for the smaller trees up north here but I can see why you’d loose patience with it on a big fir or pine… I can brush and top a 60’ spruce or poplar on one battery but I switch to the 550xp for chunking. Close call with that rope, bet he has a nice 5/8” or 3/4” for next time….
the further the block and the running bowline are apart the more dynamic load the rope gets. half hitch first then a bowline to back it up. half hitch is stronger than a knot. bigger rope doesn't hurt. that was a big piece. I was taught wll is 1/10 of the rating on a rope. As they age they get weaker so you need to factor that in as well. But yeah it got locked off and snapped it it looks like to me too. that deep face cut makes for a lot of dynamic force.
Looks like it broke near the working end. When was the last time it was cut back? I’ve seen 1” ropes break within the last 6’ due to improper maintenance. Gotta remove a few feet off the working end depending on usage as it gets the most beating.
@@brother_jay brand new rope just got to a sappy spot witch made it completely lock up and broke at the device, also was probably to big of a piece for that rope
That's what immediately came to mind. The snatch block did get yanked down hard so there was definitely large resistance at the friction device. But with the weight of that log, the distance traveled and how the rope got loaded...doesn't seem like a healthy 9/16" rope would break like that or even down at the port-a-wrap. Who knows. Does seem like the rigging line only stretched, rather than paying out from the port-a-wrap. That could be the whole cause or else a contributing factor. To some extent - doesn't matter. This day 9/16" was proven to not posses sufficient safety factor to deal with given variables. Excessive payload deacceleration and possible rope degradation. Do some people still specifically use nylon core ropes for negative rigging? Especially at higher heights the significant extra stretch certainly would mitigate a lot of shock loading. I believe Stable Braid is a full polyester rope - low stretch. I know my Sterling Atlas rigging rope is nylon cored for more stretch and thus impact absorption.
Don't know anything about the weight of Fir cause we don't have any but looked like it should've held it. Going from the bucket to climbing is always just Awkward 😅 Thank you Mr Jeff 👍
A couple of things came to mind. Please correct me if im wrong. That looks to be about 300lbs of wood falling about 3ft. Even if it has a full 1ft of stretch in it (which i doubt given that its 1.1% elongation at 10% of its ABS), the average impact force would be 4.4kN. The tensile limit on that line, brand new, is 58 kN, which means you were very close to a 10% working load limit. Again, this assumes a foot of travel from stretch in the line. If it only traveled 6 inches due to stretch in the line (hard to tell from the video) that force of impact goes up to 9.9kN, almost twice the working load limit. Why "low stretch" is touted as a feature of stable braid is beyond me. The same situation with a 3% stretch rope, all else beong equal, would result in an average impact force of 1.4kN. The point here is that stretch is your friend, and dynamic forces are the enemy. I would recommend a low stretch line for light rigging only, and never for negative rigging. For all the people going on about rigging rings all the time, you are basically turning every line into a no-stretch line. For any guys out there watching this video to learn things about the tree business, the solution is pretty obvious it would have cost you 5 minutes to make two cuts instead of one and send down a piece half the size twice. The uploader has said as much in a few of his comments, to his credit.
I’ve seen plenty of hardwood, larger diameter on 1/2in and a pinto pulley…not placing blame but it’s interesting how these parts of the job function. Thank you for sharing.
That rope did look kind of skinny for what you were doing. We have some 5/8 that the guys really hate because of the weight, but it is worth the hassle I think.
I effin hate my 540t one its the first model gutless barely any crack or pull idk whats wrong with it. I feel like theres something wrong with it. But not sure. but the new 540 mark 2 is it? I heard has crack, so im gonna pitch this one n pick one of thpse up or the 2511t
@@fullhousebuckin mine is the old one also , but I used Ryan’s new mark 2 in this video and it definitely has more delay then the one I have like no throttle response
Rigging down wood like that you definitely need to use a bull rope.5/8 to 3/4 inch diameter.someone that knows what there doing Running the rope on the ground.
Of all the things, that shock loading the bucket gave me the biggest pucker of the video. Maybe I haven't spent enough time in a bucket to know its limits.
@@VegasEdo this particular bucket truck is a material handler ment for setting power poles, definitely would not want to try this with a standard forestry bucket truck
Testing their company's "Licensed - Bonded - Insured" moto on the truck. I hope they buy (and BRING) some 3/4 rigging rope to the next job. Who was the groundie saying "told you!" when the rope failed? Lots of shock on a few of those chunks and that rope looked like it had been around the block a few times.
@jeffschroeder9089 everything's good buddy just hanging in there. Waiting for this election to be over it's making me very nervous and unsettled if we don't get Trump that's just my opinion though
Cycles to failure? SWL- Unsure of the ropes history….they’ve only got so much life in them. Snubbing them off or letting it run. All take thier toll overtime. Glad it worked out.
I'm pretty sure OSAH requires you to be wearing a harness with a lanyard that attaches you to the bucket. Just in case you lean too far out and have to learn from a mistake.....
Ilove the sound of a gas chansaw. Battery just doesn't sound right. That being said good on you for giving the new one a fair try. I hope you get to the 750+ likes on this one. And i also love seeing your yellow bar on the 200. 👌 Its the perfect combo. Keep up the good content.
Thanks for showing the rope break. 👍 I'll consider using a larger diameter rope in the future..................ok, I considered it, I still choose 1/2". 🤪 SEND IT BABY!
I rig 99% of the time using 9/16 samson rope and , nock on wood , have not had any issues but having a good 3/4 around when in doubt is not a bad idea. Stay safe
I'm coming to the realization of just how dangerous negative rigging is. You're playing with the fact that climbers are tired by the time they are done limbing out everything and wanting to go home and the fact that most climbers arn't trained in proper negative rigging limits, which matters even more because of the sheer increase in dynamic loads. And on top of that, there's certain techqniues that are better to use for negative rigging that most tree workers arn't familiar with. Its no wonder why I see many large trunks are left on the job after a tree company comes in. And its probably why so many small time tree workers get hurt and damage property.
I broke a Double Beast negative rigging as well. I was also lucky regarding the outcome. Unlisted video if you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/Rj_66-yu6Xo/v-deo.html
@jeffschroeder9089 yes, I was rigging with 3/4 stable braid. I had always thought that the double beast was 1" tenex due to the color. But I learned afterward, that it is only 3/4. As with your situation, I was getting close to the ground, so not much rope in the system, and this one was also caught harder than the previous ones.
Rope guys need to run the rope more instead of stopping so quickly shocking the load is so hard on the rope working load is between 700-1100ish pounds and break around 7000
Bro showed his mistake. And I respect that 💯. It's a learning experience.
@@raulmondragon4913 lesson learned
@@jeffschroeder9089experience is a wicked teacher
wahoo rt on Jeff its JOE more tree people, making awesome content .. thanks for taking time to make videos ..
That’s definitely a Monday type job. Glad no one got hurt.
Thanks for the rigging education helps someone new like my self to doing heavy rigging a lot.
@@TheLandscapeGiant I just want people to learn from my mistake
I’ve noticed over the years that rope or cable as it gets shorter has less stretch… it snaps easier with less length… this may come into play in this scenario.
Also the bigger the wheel (radius) on the pulley the more weight rope or cable can take. I’m so glad everyone was ok and no damage was done.
Jeff I think it takes a real man to put up mistakes on social media- we all make mistakes just some don’t like showing them!
Thank you and God Bless.
@@sjoshuan I just want people to learn from my mistake
I agree if you aren't making mistakes and every now and then getting bruised up a little,then your not doing it.
One thing I like about using a beast ring over a pulley block for negative rigging is you don't have to worry about the rope rubbing the cheek plates.
@@johndurant8687 ya I like rings way better
Just glad nobody got hurt and you learned your lesson, gotta use 5/8 for big wood like that.
@@ericjohnson5624lesson definitely learned I asked if he had a bull rope that was the biggest he had so really I would have just rigged smaller pieces
Bugger, hopefully we all get lucky when we need to, recognise it, be thankful and learn. Thanks for sharing
Most likely a cycle to failure situation, rope looks fairly old... but you'd know what you've done with that thing! Thanks for sharing and putting yourself out there.
@@christiandurkan7332 new rope just looks old from use that day
Man, someone was watching over you on that break 😮
Well done for completing the job safe and sound 👌
@@arborist18 I got extremely lucky big lesson learned without nobody getting hurt or insurance claim
Love how you show the real life of what we deal with everyday
@@mckinneysoutdoorservice1231 I show it how it is and don’t glorify anything
Glad everything worked out. We’ve all gotten lucky from time to time.
Love your stuff buddy ... harness in bucket my guy !!
@@dylanbrehm499 I had a surfboard leash around my ankle
I think you were exactly correct in saying the rope stuck hard in the rigging because of the pitch
@@Sea-forest for sure
I’m a mechanic working for a tree company, I operate the bucket truck and unfortunately the main guy. We have a 65’ reach with the bucket truck. You can take a pole hook and a pole saw up in the bucket and reach around 10’ higher and if you’re in a situation where you have a couple trees closer together where you don’t have to rig everything down you can use the pole saw to reach much more with one setup of the truck and get done faster. I’m only giving you my secrets to help that I don’t see other companies use. Here’s my last one I’ll share without any response you can take the head off the pole saw and install it on a weed eater on stihl equipment. I am still trying new ideas but I think I’m pretty good at cutting trees much much more prefer fixing equipment. I just subscribed to help you too
So fortunate. Wow. God is Good.
lol “get me outta here” one of those days where I feel like I’m going to break everything i touch
@@MrEvanb93 haha ya
Great Job Jeff glad you lucked out.
@@jameshillier5631 big time lucked out
@@jeffschroeder9089 yeah I bet you were Puckering 😂 I'm glad it was ok.
Damn bud! That sucks. What I appreciate about guys like you, is that things don't always work out like you try so hard to plan for. I'm good at what I do. Consider myself a perfectionist. Once in a great while I'll make a mistake. Keep your head up!
@@ericbarker9127 I’ll show everything not just the success stories
We tend to run without a ground crew. So we do negative rig, but no run. Just as short a leash as possible, and after its hanging we drop down and chop it up piece by piece. But we also run 5/8 AmSteel rope that we got used. You can sometimes come across it at electrical equipment auctions from their big old wire pullers. New it has a min break of 37000lbs so even degraded its still really strong and has proven to be very durable. Just FYI if you ever come across some its worked well for us.
@@IndependenceIron good to know thanks
When you fell that log at the end that was pinpoint perfect professional work great job
@@br-dj2ti tight spot
Loved watching the shadows as the tree was pieced apart
@@danjones1365 I really need to start running a camera on the ground to capture better angles
Thanks for sharing your own mistake! That's brave! And good for all.
The rope looks to be pretty weathered. I bet there was a damaged spot that let go. I've rigged down pieces that size with 1/2 inch regularly with no issue. Looks like the ground guy was doing a good job of letting it run to ease the shock load.
Wow! Sure glad that no one got hurt.
@@robgunter4800 me to
Schroeder the Shredder uses a 'gasser' - right? I mean, watch those speedlines!
Striking to see the rope failure: I know your heart and mind were heavy in thought afterwards.
Nobody injured or property compromised. Experience, lifetime of work, yet things happen. All good Jeff.
Crazy today was my first day running that saw I think it's a great saw for tree work. I give it a 8 out of 10
Yeah buddy..
An inch as good as a mile.
Nice work
9/16 Stable Braid breaking strength is 13.3K. I typically use 1/2 and 9/16; usually large enough for the majority of rigging.
Hey Jeff, as you have stated before there might be a place for battery saws but not for those of you that climb - mainly battery life. That are some tight quarters you are working in. Those are some gorgeous views you get. How many of your ground crew had to change their shorts - LOL. Stay safe.
@@robert.brokaw3829 all of em 😝
Jeff I'm with you on the Gas Saw. That was some kind of luck with the 9/16 Rope breaking. That's just one of those scary unpredictable occurrences. Hope you get the Likes. Great Job.
OMG super lucky. Very skilled work you do, nice rigging.
Had one like this, rope held on just long enough to get the log to swing out and away from targets when the rope snapped. I always say that for how often trees fail and break things, it’s a damn miracle how often they don’t.
Yikes, well a fella earns luck. I can see where that would stay with you on the ride home, as you said learn from it. You do great work.
@@Jcozz learned 😝
Sheez! Talk about tight drop zone. Glad nothing got damaged! At least the battery husky top handles will stay running but they are still bricks 🤣
@@troyerthedestroyer battery lasted about 20 limbs 😂
@@jeffschroeder9089 Never been a fan of Husky top handles but they make some killer bigger saws. The little echo electric saw is the most enjoyable battery saw I have used, it's light and has enough oomph for small jobs. If I have big kills it's nice to have a gas saw.
@@troyerthedestroyer there nice for pruning
Your bad luck was overpowered by your good luck. Glad everything worked out in your favor...
woah. cool to see. glad it worked out. thanks for sharing it. cheers
Well glad there was no damage and more importantly know one was hurt! Keep up the good work.
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I wonder if the carabiner was a contributor to the failure of the rope and if a half hitch would of helped prevent the failure of not... any thoughts on that? I've also wondered if constant use of the last 5-6 ft of the rope make it more prone to failure over time and if it's beneficial to remove a about 6ft or so after a few years. I have a lot of thoughts while in a tree and can't help but think of things like that. Not sure if any of them are valid. Glad it worked out for you.
@@Woodman_Custom_Sawing rope broke at radius around the block I feel it locked up because of sap, if we swapped ends it probably wouldn’t have broken. Another thing is I rigged one about the same wieght right before that and didn’t break I think we got to a sappy part of the rope 🤷
@@jeffschroeder9089 I'm on the east coast and hate sappy trees, you can keep them! 🤣
Wow that's crazy to see it break. Glad yall are safe.
Great work 🤟
The rope all of a sudden looked extra thin on that piece when it snapped.
Jeff what was the tree species? Balsam fir have lotsa pitch pockets that'll goop up a running rope when it's run along the trunk - then you have a whole stem length of pitch to glue stuff up over and over, including the porty or other capstan on the bottom not just the rope. Everclear can be your friend with trees like this - the ethanol is as close to 100% as you can get these days and it removes pitch just with a rag as long as it hasn't hardened on uncleaned equipment/ rope for a couple of weeks in the sun. And I agree with the comment about bend radius being important on a negative rigging block - up high the bigger the sheeve the better really if you're dropping big weight onto it. Or a double block setup - it'll give you more rope in the system. If I'm slammin' wood around, I still prefer my old big heavy blocks though for up top (and big slings like 1" stuff). Call me old fashioned. Thanks for the videos - always learn something watching you ! Stay safe out there.
@@prairiemushroom I thought it was a grand fir but I could be wrong
Whoa, that was really lucky I was getting nervous just watching this.
My T540i works great for the smaller trees up north here but I can see why you’d loose patience with it on a big fir or pine… I can brush and top a 60’ spruce or poplar on one battery but I switch to the 550xp for chunking.
Close call with that rope, bet he has a nice 5/8” or 3/4” for next time….
@@PuskwaskaOutdoors that’s the thing I hate switching saws and you have to do that verry quick with a battery saw
the further the block and the running bowline are apart the more dynamic load the rope gets. half hitch first then a bowline to back it up. half hitch is stronger than a knot. bigger rope doesn't hurt. that was a big piece. I was taught wll is 1/10 of the rating on a rope. As they age they get weaker so you need to factor that in as well. But yeah it got locked off and snapped it it looks like to me too. that deep face cut makes for a lot of dynamic force.
did it fail at the knot?
open face notch will probably result in less dynamic force, limit the jump
@@ryandelcourt4774 failed at the lowering device
@@ryandelcourt4774 I agree
@jeffschroeder9089 huh, I've never seen that
It always happens like that too always goes right where it wanted but this time without rope lol
I hit like. Please everyone, take time to do that !!!
Looks like it broke near the working end. When was the last time it was cut back? I’ve seen 1” ropes break within the last 6’ due to improper maintenance. Gotta remove a few feet off the working end depending on usage as it gets the most beating.
@@brother_jay brand new rope just got to a sappy spot witch made it completely lock up and broke at the device, also was probably to big of a piece for that rope
Foreshadowing comment at 20:30 mark.
Thank you
When I slowed down the frame rate looked like it broke down at the friction device -- knick in the rope maybe?
@@metaspencer I think we got to a sappy part in the rope and it locked up
That's what immediately came to mind. The snatch block did get yanked down hard so there was definitely large resistance at the friction device. But with the weight of that log, the distance traveled and how the rope got loaded...doesn't seem like a healthy 9/16" rope would break like that or even down at the port-a-wrap. Who knows. Does seem like the rigging line only stretched, rather than paying out from the port-a-wrap. That could be the whole cause or else a contributing factor. To some extent - doesn't matter. This day 9/16" was proven to not posses sufficient safety factor to deal with given variables. Excessive payload deacceleration and possible rope degradation. Do some people still specifically use nylon core ropes for negative rigging? Especially at higher heights the significant extra stretch certainly would mitigate a lot of shock loading. I believe Stable Braid is a full polyester rope - low stretch. I know my Sterling Atlas rigging rope is nylon cored for more stretch and thus impact absorption.
Don't know anything about the weight of Fir cause we don't have any but looked like it should've held it. Going from the bucket to climbing is always just Awkward 😅 Thank you Mr Jeff 👍
Still watching the video but do you mention what kind of damage occurred to the roofs below when that top broke out?
@@justinjones9255 homeowner showed me a picture and it was very minimal damage for how big the piece was. One large limb poked through to the inside
A couple of things came to mind. Please correct me if im wrong.
That looks to be about 300lbs of wood falling about 3ft. Even if it has a full 1ft of stretch in it (which i doubt given that its 1.1% elongation at 10% of its ABS), the average impact force would be 4.4kN. The tensile limit on that line, brand new, is 58 kN, which means you were very close to a 10% working load limit. Again, this assumes a foot of travel from stretch in the line.
If it only traveled 6 inches due to stretch in the line (hard to tell from the video) that force of impact goes up to 9.9kN, almost twice the working load limit.
Why "low stretch" is touted as a feature of stable braid is beyond me. The same situation with a 3% stretch rope, all else beong equal, would result in an average impact force of 1.4kN.
The point here is that stretch is your friend, and dynamic forces are the enemy. I would recommend a low stretch line for light rigging only, and never for negative rigging.
For all the people going on about rigging rings all the time, you are basically turning every line into a no-stretch line.
For any guys out there watching this video to learn things about the tree business, the solution is pretty obvious it would have cost you 5 minutes to make two cuts instead of one and send down a piece half the size twice. The uploader has said as much in a few of his comments, to his credit.
Glad all is ok.
Ya right the battery saws get bindy. But i like em.
@@julianalderson3938 it’s personal preference really everything has a time and place
No way in Hell I would take pieces that Big on Fing 9/16 rope of any type!!
@@richardf9137 lesson learned
I’ve seen plenty of hardwood, larger diameter on 1/2in and a pinto pulley…not placing blame but it’s interesting how these parts of the job function. Thank you for sharing.
@@GoLongboardBrosephyeah it’s wild what you can get away with. Negative rigging wood on a pinto is pretty shot tho
@@dertyjerz3 agreed…
3/4 for anything over 500lbs is ideal especially being close to structures, if you're more open surrounding then you can go with smaller rope.
Did the rope go slack - away from the pulley - and then bind between pulley and block?
@@jeremybuchanan4759 rope broke at the lowering device because of sap
That rope did look kind of skinny for what you were doing. We have some 5/8 that the guys really hate because of the weight, but it is worth the hassle I think.
Liked! 👍
I effin hate my 540t one its the first model gutless barely any crack or pull idk whats wrong with it. I feel like theres something wrong with it. But not sure. but the new 540 mark 2 is it? I heard has crack, so im gonna pitch this one n pick one of thpse up or the 2511t
@@fullhousebuckin mine is the old one also , but I used Ryan’s new mark 2 in this video and it definitely has more delay then the one I have like no throttle response
Nice!
When I'm rigging bug would any kind of bigger wood I always switch to 3/4 always 916 is strong definitely but I always get the 3/4 big rope out
@@br-dj2ti I would have done the same if the company I was working for had a bigger rope
@@jeffschroeder9089 I understand buddy God bless you you do amazing work always
Rigging down wood like that you definitely need to use a bull rope.5/8 to 3/4 inch diameter.someone that knows what there doing
Running the rope on the ground.
wow!
Of all the things, that shock loading the bucket gave me the biggest pucker of the video. Maybe I haven't spent enough time in a bucket to know its limits.
@@VegasEdo this particular bucket truck is a material handler ment for setting power poles, definitely would not want to try this with a standard forestry bucket truck
Testing their company's "Licensed - Bonded - Insured" moto on the truck. I hope they buy (and BRING) some 3/4 rigging rope to the next job. Who was the groundie saying "told you!" when the rope failed? Lots of shock on a few of those chunks and that rope looked like it had been around the block a few times.
@@kkattrap lesson learned
As a physics teacher, this was scary to watch 🫣
@@youtuber9758 haha
Things happen buddy we learn from them great job. why you don't wear a harness in the bucket God bless
@@br-dj2ti thanks for watching hope all is well with you
@jeffschroeder9089 everything's good buddy just hanging in there. Waiting for this election to be over it's making me very nervous and unsettled if we don't get Trump that's just my opinion though
Rope should be good for 9000lbs. Half that with a knot. 10 to 1 safety factor for dynamic loading and should be good for a chunk weighing 450 lbs. 👍🏼
Cycles to failure? SWL- Unsure of the ropes history….they’ve only got so much life in them. Snubbing them off or letting it run. All take thier toll overtime. Glad it worked out.
@@SMJ95 sappy rope made it lock up and not possible to run
The felling of the stems is nuts! This whole video is nuts, I'm glad it's not me
@@harmonicliving3507 stressful one
I'm pretty sure OSAH requires you to be wearing a harness with a lanyard that attaches you to the bucket. Just in case you lean too far out and have to learn from a mistake.....
Oh my gorsh😮 y u no tell me bout dis?!
Man that was a lucky break.
@@NickTaylor-lm1lv very
Jeff, I sub'd
Big wood is never easy.
Sup Meng!
Super lucky'
@@julianalderson3938 that’s for sure!
Live and learn, nothing damaged and no one hurt. About the best way you can learn a lesson in life.
@@Maniacal_Saw_Works exactly
Can you lower the bucket from the ground?
@@Jon-wg8vr yes
👍👍
Ilove the sound of a gas chansaw. Battery just doesn't sound right. That being said good on you for giving the new one a fair try. I hope you get to the 750+ likes on this one. And i also love seeing your yellow bar on the 200. 👌 Its the perfect combo. Keep up the good content.
@@caseychadwick595 thanks for the comment
Do you still work with August?
@@prestonjoffe5279 sometimes
at he end of the video, it kinda sounds like ya sifting gears LOL revvv revvv etc ..
I just can't get used to those Fisher Price saws.
@24:35 play at 0.25x and the moan of disappointment sounded like Ralphie in 'A Christmas Story.'
Fuuuuuuuuudge....
@@1neAdam12 haha
For the algorithm.
Yeah dude. Good guy that JSchro
Shock loaded too many times?
@@opendstudio7141 I think we got to a sappy part of the rope or to many wraps, or to big of piece 😆
@@jeffschroeder9089 still a nasty surprise and a good wake-up.
@@opendstudio7141 for sure
We all have those days…
Thanks for showing the rope break. 👍 I'll consider using a larger diameter rope in the future..................ok, I considered it, I still choose 1/2". 🤪 SEND IT BABY!
Classic green horn
@@ClimberinChrist hey! I don't have horns! 😇
I rig 99% of the time using 9/16 samson rope and , nock on wood , have not had any issues but having a good 3/4 around when in doubt is not a bad idea. Stay safe
You still with August?
@@matthewholland8242 every once and a wile
the rope was also shock loaded
@@fumagoo1986 rope locked off because of pitch spot in the rope 🤦
I'm coming to the realization of just how dangerous negative rigging is. You're playing with the fact that climbers are tired by the time they are done limbing out everything and wanting to go home and the fact that most climbers arn't trained in proper negative rigging limits, which matters even more because of the sheer increase in dynamic loads. And on top of that, there's certain techqniues that are better to use for negative rigging that most tree workers arn't familiar with. Its no wonder why I see many large trunks are left on the job after a tree company comes in. And its probably why so many small time tree workers get hurt and damage property.
On the last one, you should’ve butt tied it to the siding😂
@@Jon-wg8vr 😝
Why not wear a fall arrest harness in the bucket truck? You have a $300+ helmet on with $250 in comms bolted to it. Buy a $100 fall arrest harness.
5/8 rope you over loaded that rope in my opinion. You could double whip and tackle that with 9/16 and probably be okay still pushing it then I think.
Luuucky
@@Alexhulk for sure
I broke a Double Beast negative rigging as well. I was also lucky regarding the outcome. Unlisted video if you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/Rj_66-yu6Xo/v-deo.html
@@echostreeservice broke the sling?
@jeffschroeder9089 yes, I was rigging with 3/4 stable braid. I had always thought that the double beast was 1" tenex due to the color. But I learned afterward, that it is only 3/4.
As with your situation, I was getting close to the ground, so not much rope in the system, and this one was also caught harder than the previous ones.
@ crazy
Rope guys need to run the rope more instead of stopping so quickly shocking the load is so hard on the rope working load is between 700-1100ish pounds and break around 7000
@@brentschuler2795 that’s why I thing we got to a sappy part of the rope and it locked up and wasn’t able to run