For this show I need 3 things - Do Ron and his relationship with Hermione right - include the battle of the Astronomy tower - include Snape’s full story not just clips from random moments in other season
Movie Snape is awesome, but they really should have given more details about the bullying he went through and the collapse of his relationship with Lily.
Fr they need to show how pathetic Snape actually was and how he had no problem with Voldemort killing a 1 year old child, which led to the death of the woman he had a creepy obsession with all his life. It also needs to show the other side of the so called "bullying", where he literally invented a spell which cuts the other guy potentially to death and *tried it on James*.
They should really dive into quidditch in s3. In the books there was a major subplot of this being Oliver Wood's final year at Hogwarts and the team being so determined to win the cup. That whole story was cut from the films. It was also where Harry met Cho Chang and Cedric Diggory for the first time and probably the high point of the rivalry between Harry and Draco.
They just gotta do Wood right. He needs to be a maniac with a heart of gold that WOULDNT TRY to get a penalty but would always "accidently" get one. Someone that would storm up to Minerva McGonagall herself and say he wouldn't care if Harry died because his broom is cursed JUST because it's a Firebolt
For me, one main thing they need to put in the show is kreachers tale. It gave kreacher the redemption he deserved and made such a good conclusion to the story of the fake locket and regulus, and mainly explained why kreacher is the way he is
@Galaxy_lou I never got the impression the locket and the loss of regulus was the reason he was a total nightmare I had the impression that it was for the same reason Sirius suggested or stated his mom was a biggiot and extremely pro Voldmort even after they all died prior to Deathly Hallows I thought Kerture got karma thankfully he realized how messed up the Black's apart from Sirius and Regulus were
This is probably the most dangerous tv show ever, people are going to criticise it no matter what because of how recent, popular and good the movies are. Even if season one is better than the movie in almost every aspect, they are going to focus on that one thing, no matter how little to say things like: "at least the movie had that"
@@Jensen-CPersonally i like the movies. That doesn’t make them good as actual movies. They have very high highs (prisoner of azkaban) and pretty low lows (goblet of fire and half blood prince) and the divergence from source material and cutting material due to pacing issues really let the films down. I think nostalgia and bias is what gives the movies their renowned and loved status.
Exactly! They don't have to make seasons the same length. They can go from 6-8 episodes 30-40 min each for seasons 1-3 all the way to 8-10 1-hour episodes for the later seasons. I would argue that that would be the most logical thing to do.
The main struggle the series will have is making it through the first 2-3 seasons strong enough to get to the last 4-7 seasons. The back half of the series is what everyone wants to see in series form. The movies didn’t do the books justice, and a lot of great moments and plots have never been seen on screen. That’s the material the fans are begging for. Unfortunately, the first couple seasons will likely suffer the most criticism because the first couple movies are so well adapted, they will be hard to top. Very unlikely they can be, but I hope people show patience and give the series support to get to the book adaptions we really want to see.
The first seasons could add in perspectives or moments of characters that appear later...to make it feel more real. For example I think we should see Luna earlier.
@@slenderfoxx3797 They could make Remus and Sirius explaining the Marauders back story into an actual episodes with Flashbacks with their voice cutting in every now and then. Because general audiences wont want to watch 2 grown men talk about their days of bullying others for 20 minutes
Order of the Phoenix roughly plotted out 1. Dementor attack, Grimauld Place, meeting the Order (110 pages) 2. Ministry hearing, travel to Hogwarts, first week of classes/detentions (the next 140 pages, 250) 3. Umbridge becomes High Inquisitor, class inspections, the idea of Harry teaching Defence Against the Dark Arts and the meeting the the Hog’s Head (the next 80 pages, 330) 4. Room of requirement, Quidditch, Hagrid’s Tale, end with the Harry/Cho kiss and him going to sleep and dreaming (the next 70 pages, 400) 5. Mr Weasley attack, Christmas/St Mungo’s, Occulemency first lesson, end with the Azkaban breakout (the next 80 pages, 480) 6. Rita Skeeta interview, Trelawny is sacked, Firenze starts teaching, Dumbledore’s Army is found by Umbridge/Dumbledore leaves (the next 70 pages, 550) 7. Umbridge as Headmistress, Snape flashback, meet Grawp, Career advice, OWLs, end with the dream of Sirius (the next 90 pages, 640) 8. The Ministry, end with Sirius’s death (the next 70 pages, 710) 9. Voldemort vs Dumbledore, the prophecy is revealed (the last 50 pages) There’s a lot of this one that can be abridged/cut out to even up the pacing but it probably would still end up as the longest season because it’s the longest book
What they can do to make more out of the earlier books is to add sub plots that weren’t in either the book or movie originally. For example, they could show the actual break in to Gringotts in PS. They could show Voldemort meeting Quirrell and how he ended up on the back of his head. They could have a full extended scene of Lily and James’s deaths. They could switch POV’s between Harry and Ginny for episodes in chamber of secrets which would really show the full impact of Tom’s possessions of Ginny. They could show the attacks actually being committed. They could show what Luna was up to during the first 3 books. For POA they could show Luna and Ginny’s actions during that book, they could also make the shrieking shack scene much longer and with all the dialogue from the book. They could show Sirius’s actual escape from Azkaban and his break ins to hogwarts, along with multiple other scenes of him on the run. Sure, Quirrell and Ginny’s reveals wouldn’t be a surprise, but for first time viewers the fun would come from wondering how the characters are going to react when they find out those things. I very much disagree about the HBP film, I think it’s terrible and the worst movie by far in the series, the goblet of fire is a close second.
Could you imagine the lashback though? I mean maybe if some of the "ghost plots" were included but those are supposed to be kept secret. To address yours, we wouldn't get much more out of seeing the break-in and Quirrel other than a few minutes in the final trial. If POV switches in COS then the end of the season is spoiled. Having Luna as a Seamus/Dean-ish character with no real importance but a few good lines is a really good idea. And POA... the biggest thing that was missed by far was the whole sub-plot about Peter, James, Lupin, and Sirius being the Marauders! HPB is lowkey mid as far as HP goes, but it's still great compared to other content.
See i agree except for the quirrel part, that reveal is great and needs to be left alone, having it known to the audience who is doing it but the main character blaming someone else would not make for good viewing
It will be interesting to see how they manage to break up something that wasn't meant to be broken up like a TV-show. I think a decent number of chapters have endings that could serve as episode enders, but how to pace it so you don't get a whole episode of fluff, or 5 "endings" in one episode? I'd say it would be something like this for the first book: Episode one: The Boy who Lived or The Vanishg Glass - Going from the begging until either the moment Hagrid starts banning the door, or more likely, when they go to sleep after Hagrid tells him he's a Wizard. Episode two: Dragon Alley - Showing everything Dragon Alley and the train Ride and the sorting, ending as Harry falls asleep his first night at Hogwarts. Episode three: Hogwarts - Showing Harrys early time at Hogwarts, exploring lessons and introducing flying and Quidditch, but also putting emphasis on Harry and Ron visiting Hagrid and finding out about the Grongotts break in, so we feel something is driving the story along. Episode four: Midnight Duel or Halloween - Showing Malfoy tricking Harry and Ron out of bed and that whole adventure, including Fluffy, and going all the way to Halloween, ending with them beating the troll and making friends with Hermione. Episode five: Nicolas Flamel or The Mirror of Erised - Showing the first Quidditch game and the kids finding out about Nicolas Flamel and Everything that happens around Christmas including the mirror. Episode six: Norbert the Norwegian Ridgeback - Showing everything to do with the dragon and getting rid of him. Also the second Quidditch game with Snape refereeing and Snape and Quirell talking afterwards. Episode seven: The Forbidden Forest - Showing the aftermath of Harry being caught out of bed and everything in the forest and maybe showing them going down the trap door. It's a hard one, I don't think the Forest will fill a whole episode by it self, but also don't think the everything from going down the trap door to the end will take more than 1 episode. Episode eight: Through the trap door or The Man with 2 faces - Everything from leaving off until the end. I'm not sure any of these epodes would fill a whole hour, if we assume hour length episodes, and this is already stretching it pretty far to get 8 full episodes, but I could see a similar breakdown to this might work. You might get away with shifting some event around showing some things that happen later in the book earlier or vice verse, for a better flow, but you can't do too much of that.
Really like this breakdown! Will be interesting to see how the much bigger books are adapted, will more episodes be needed or will they cut stuff out again?Philosophers stone fits easily into 8 hours (won’t need that long) but how will OOTP fit into the same format. I suspect they will have to change the format of the show as it progresses to accommodate this
@@chiefeddy9793 Maybe you could extend the longer books to 10 or 12 episodes or something, but also I don't think we need to extend it too much. There is a quite a bit off fluff that could be cut, or at least tightened, in a tv-series. My go to comparison is that the first season of Game of Thrones hardly cuts anything from the first book, which is well over 800 pages, and that's 10 episodes. The narratives are of course different and would have to be structured differently to work as a series, but also a Harry Potter series would want to cut some stuff like some of the lessons, and probably want to tone down the SPEW stuff for the later books. I still wan't Dobby, but I can do with a minimum of SPEW.
They don’t have to do 8 one hour episodes everytime. Honestly I hope they do more or less depending on what the story needs. Like goblet of fire could be 10 episodes if it needs to be. I hope they do it like that
The biggest thing that MUST be included is Peeves. Why the studio chose not to include that character even though they had test footage I’ll never understand. Also more of the many different secret passages throughout Hogwarts, it would be a neat touch to see Harry and the gang becoming more and more familiar with the layout each year so eventually getting to places that they thought were hard work before they’re not even thinking about in the end, even cooler touch to see other students looking on in amazement who don’t realise there’s as many secret places as they are.
@@DukeOfAwsomeness Director Commentary they say it messed with the pacing of the movie, there’s no reason it’s cgi since there’s other spirits in the movie.
For me, I think it’s Charlie. I mean- they mention him a lot, why not add him? It’s not like they couldn’t have added him later, they did that with Bill as well.
Supposedly RiK Mayall mooned some girls on set (for real!) and they sacked him on the spot. Instead of recasting him they decided to cut the whole character! A girl I went to dance college with was Hannah Abbott in the movies, she filmed for years - only to finally go the premiere and see she'd been cut!
As much as I'm huge fan, read all the books a bunch of times and seen the movies dozens of times as well, but I actually believe it's too soon for this. The main issue is that movies absolutely NAILED the casting, and they will have a seriously difficult time equaling or even coming close to casting this series, and especially now that several of these legends have passed on filling their shoes will not be easy.
I agree completely. I made a video last year about why I think this is a terrible idea. Imagine turning on episode 1, it doesn't have John Williams' music, the castle is totally different... it's going to be very jarring.
@@BrettsThoughtsI think Hogwarts Legacy did a pretty decent job of showing how it can be done. I don’t want it to feel/look/sound exactly the same…though they would be crazy not to hire John Williams to do the score. I also hope they use Fort William for the exterior shots of Hogwarts again, it’s my favourite part of the franchise to see Scotland as the setting of all the magic. Fans have been begging for this, and it’s been 12 years since Deathly Hallows part 2. Personally I feel enough time has passed and there’s so many additional details that have been added since then, plus all the elements that didn’t make it into the movies at all. The movies will always exist and be cherished, though we as fans can still enjoy this on its own merits.
@ObsessiveGeek Hogwarts legacy is beautiful but very book inaccurate the whole lay out of the castle in the books is different. The movie castle was created before the books finished being written so there are many discrepancies.
@ChelseaChfy-ex1po Yes I know. Its a combination of both the books and the movies, though visually it is more reminiscent of the movies (even though the castle constantly changes design throughout the franchise)
Everyone has their own tastes regarding the books/movies. I absolutely disagree with some of your takes but I think we all agree in hoping that the series will be well made and successful
@@Expry24maciste they just need to fix everything 🤣 and they need to make it 20 episodes per season bc i need filler episodes where the kids are just having fun and we get to see more of hogwarts
The plot is close to the book. I always assumed they did because I'D read the book. Telling who the Marauders were would literally be an extra ten seconds. Compare that to actual CHANGES made for films like Goblet of Fire
@officialmonarchmusic GoF for me is still visually close to the book despite no Creeveys, Poa however changes much also it was the lowest box office in the franchise. I have to be honest because it's not a good adaptation, and you get nothing particularly good with storytelling except it has visuals and good direction, for me it was rushed and not really a good adventure plus no complete Quidditch！
I never understand the people that think POA is the best film. It straight up starts with Harry DOING MAGIC outside of school and it not being a problem, but then 10 minutes later he needs to escape home BECAUSE he used magic outside of school. Also POA is responsible for many dumb changes in wardrobe, the Fat Lady, turning Flitwick into mini Hitler and don't get me started on the awful unnecesary shrunken head
@maximilianosalvador9559 Agreed. POA was one of the biggest disappointments for me. Didnt like the aesthetic. The magic at the start is just ridiculous. Soo many changes from the first 2 films that made it jarring.
I think it will be sorcerers. The US market is so big and they’ll want to cater to them (I wouldn’t be surprise if they cast quite a few American actors and make some characters American too), don’t want confused and angry yanks
Why would it be called anything else than "Harry Potter"? They just name seasons 1-7 each covering one book and make actors say their lines for American audience and the rest of the world "sorcerer" or "philosopher" whenever it need to be. Percy Jackson TV series is called Percy Jackson and the Olympians for all the books they're covering, Game of Thrones is named after the first book. Max wouldn't even change TV series name to avoid confusion to non-fans and keep consistency.
@@chriswyatt9869 Fortunately that is actually one of the few things they are doing right. Producers of the show and Max did reveal that castings calls have already been sent and are only available for actors/actresses from Britain and Ireland. so while it may get marketed mostly to the Americans at least we will have proper British and Irish people playing roles that are set in our country and our cultures, like they better have a Scottish McGonagall (Rip Dame Maggie, she was a living Legend and amazing Actress) and an Irish Seamus
My biggest concern with the show isn't about quality but about fan reactions. When it comes to pre-existing franchises there's almost always small loud minority that isn't coming to new stuff with open mind and are ready to hate new stuff, every small book change, new actors or just more diversity. To be clear I'm not talking about constructive criticism but just irrationaly bashing new version of a story. I'm especially worried about child actors, because socials now allows more direct cruel bashing than at time when movies were coming out.
100%. I’m really worried cos yeah people will definitely hop online to bash it, especially as like this guy said the earlier seasons will probably be a lot slower and not as exciting. And since TV shows have gaps between of like a year or so, if it seems like everyone hates it (the loud minority all over social media, particularly the movie lovers who never read the books and don’t want a series) then the show is not unlikely to be cancelled. So many shows get cancelled these days without being finished, especially ones that have either a small fan base or have received lots of criticism. I really hope people will be open minded and the show makers will do it right, but at this point I’m not sure that’s a realistic ideal. Such a shame really I feel like the show is doomed no matter how much I want a GOOD adaptation, the movies didn’t do the books justice
I´m just so happy to finally find someone to like Half-Blood Prince as much as I do. It was my favorite HP Book and movie while everybody tells me I´m insane and that it´s their least liked movie lmao
I just want one episode in the last season to have a cliff hanger, with narcissa slowly rising from harry's body after being "killed" by voldemort, with music that keeps getting louder, before going quiet as she mutters "dead."
I'm hoping by the Deathly Hallows they want to milk it for all it's worth, so do a "Rebellion of Hogwarts" spinoff focusing on Neville, Ginny and Luna at Hogwarts.
Imagine an episode of the Prisoner season starting with a scene following Sirius as he sneaks into Hogwarts to watch Harry play quidditch. As he finally makes it to the stand we join Harry and it now follows his perspective.This show could play with throw-away lines and create small arcs that serve as world building scenes. I hope they think outside the box and are creative with the material they have.
I really hope each season has a post credit scene like the MCU to set up the next season. It would be so much fun to see what they tease especially as most people already know the story so they could do scenes we didn’t see previously but heard about or read in the books 1. We hear Lucius Malloy (but don’t see him so doesn’t spoil the mystery/reveal) being told about raids being conducted by Arthur Weasley and we see the diary in the basement 2. A reveal of Sirius Black in his cell in Azkaban muttering continuously “he’s at Hogwarts” or Fudge doing his inspection and Sirius asks him for his newspaper 3. Pettigrew in Albania, maybe in the woods looking for Voldemort hearing whispers or at a bar when he overhears Bertha Jorkins talking about the Quidditch World Cup 4. A reveal of Umbridge at the Ministry with others talking about how something needs to be done about Harry and Dumbledore spreading lies about Voldemort 5. Harry arrives back in Privet Drive and finds a letter from Dumbledore saying he will collect him in a couple of weeks and that he has something he wants his help with or Harry looking at newspapers seeing Fudge has resigned and other news like the Amelia Bones murder, or have Draco before Voldemort being given a mission and he looks scared 6. There’s loads of things you could do here but I would have Scrimgeour at his desk with Dumbledore’s will as he looks at the items he leaves to Harry Ron and Hermionie, he could flick through the book and we see a glimpse of the Deathly Hallows symbol, holds the snitch then drops it, he clicks the deluminator and the lights go out ending the scene If they split Deathly Hallows up again (pointless for a series but they could) then I would have the tease be the Dumbledore’s Army coins being activated with the message to return to Hogwarts The point of these scenes will like most MCU posts credit scenes be to tease the upcoming story and we don’t actually see these scenes again in context they’re just teases that fans (particularly of the books) will recognise
They probably won't do this but the easiest answer is to make each season have a different amount of episodes. Best case would be each Season having a different amount based on how the book is adapted but that's even less likely so the first three being shorter is good enough. If they're upfront with Seasons 1-3 having less episodes than 4-7 in the marketing, I think that could work pretty well. It would also help with the pacing issues if the writing team goes in knowing they don't have to stretch/condense each story to last the same amount of time. This show has a lot of potential to be as good or even better than the movies but it requires the right team and more importantly the right executives who actually let the production team do their jobs. It is Warner Bros after all. Entirely possible that the show doesn't get the budget or number of episodes it deserves which would then ruin the chances of it being a good adaptation. Especially if the company keeps doing dumb stuff like cancelling things for tax right-offs.
I love Chamber Of Secrets-book and movie. I also NEED to see scene or two about the Philosophers Stone and how to get to it. Like Snapes task with all the bottles.
I used to like that film as a kid but now I really need a show being visually consistent and great doing the book justice are just what I need. I also know the tv show will let the films to be just where they were, treat them as cannon somehow.
A lot of the parts of Deathly Hallows happened in like 24 hours: Dumbledore’s will/the wedding/the coffee shop/arriving at 12 Grimmauld. The Ministry/Ron getting splintched/hearing Ted, Dean and Griphook talk about the sword/taking to Phineas Nigellus Black happened in like 16 hours. Godric’s Hollow was on the night of Dec 24, the Doe, the sword, and Ron coming back was early morning Dec 26 maybe 36 hours. The of course Gringotts to Battle of Hogwarts was maybe 30 hours.
One way to add content for S1 would be to show more of Harry growing up with the Dursleys. I always felt his abuse was really glossed over in the movies. Could even have scenes of witches and wizards seeing him and then link it back to the Leaky Cauldron when he later recognises them.
Simple, make earlier seasons shorter, then later ones longer with longer episodes. What I felt they could do is show what is going on at Hogwarts while Harry, Ron and Hermione are hunting Horcruxes
i think the right thing to do with the series is make the first 3 books 8 episodes long and then after that maybe 15 episodes long for the rest of the books?
I think 10 is too much for the fifth book. The book is just so long because of the average school life is dragged forever, even jkr said it’s unnecessarily long. 6-8 episodes in year 5 would be better
I think with the Chamber of Secrets they could do something really interesting and give us the “chamber being opened 50 years prior” mystery alongside it happening in Harry’s time. Two mysteries, 50 years apart… you could have Harry learning about Hagrid being framed in the same episode as we see Hagrid being expelled from Hogwarts and Tom Riddle getting away with it.
What if the first three books are simply less episodes? Don't necessarily think each season has to be the same length, ya know? Breaking Bad, for example, only had seven episodes the first season. Alternatively, if they can find a good break spot in Chamber, maybe they could do the first three books within two seasons.
I think there are a lot of plotlines for episodes from the first 3 books you have overlooked that weren't in the films. Most of this for the first series would revolve around seeing more of Harry's lessons, an expanded final act showing the troll and potion challenges and a deeper exploration of Diagon Alley. It's also a chance to fix Ron's character and bring it more in line with the books. Series 2 could devote more time to the Colin Creevey sub-plot as well as having an extra quidditch match (also true for series 1) and spend longer on Harry's changing relationship with the Hufflepuff characters introduced in the book. Series 3 has two more quidditch matches including Harry finally winning the quidditch cup, the Marauders plotline, the trial (which you did mention but could also include more of Malfoys "recovery" from his arm injury), a more gradual set of patronus conjuring lessons, the firebolt, Scabbers looking ill and needing tonic, Hermionie buying Crookshanks, properly introducing Cedric ect. Plenty to go at
I hope with the extra time they have that they add scenes of them just being kids, like the scene in POA where the boys are just hanging out eating the jelly beans in their dorm. One, because it’ll help create the dynamic better and get us closer to them as a trio, and two, it’ll make us relate to the characters more.
Goblet of Fire roughly plotted out 1. The dream of Riddle House, going to the Burrow and arriving at the Quidditch World Cup 2. The match, the Dark Mark, the rest of summer/travel to Hogwarts 3. Announcing the Triwizard Tournament, Mad Eye/Unforgivable Curses, Beuxbatons and Durmstrang arrive, Goblet of Fire/Champions 4. Aftermath of the Goblet/Harry and Ron fall out, Horntail/first task 5. SPEW, Yule Ball, Rita Skeeta vs Hagrid 6. The egg/second task, Sirius in the cave 7. Mr Crouch/the maze, the dream/pensive 8. The third task, Voldemort returns 9. Duel with Voldemort/escape, uncover Moody etc These episodes probably wouldn’t all need to be an hour long each 40-45 minutes would be plenty for some but 9 episodes of roughly 50 minutes is 7.5 hours total which should be plenty of Goblet to be done properly. One of the difficulties with this book is the tasks and the way they’re spread around throughout the year, they need their own episodes but also need time to develop the mystery that’s why I think you need an episode between each task showing the preparation/build up. The champion selection is Halloween, first task is November, Yule ball is Christmas, second task is February, then the third task is June and they finish for the year a week later.
Philosopher’s stone roughly plotted out 1. Vernon’s “normal” day, the zoo, the letters, end when Hagrid arrives at the hut on the rock 2. Diagon alley, Hogwarts express, the sorting 3. Potions class, tea with Hagrid, broom flying, midnight duel 4. Troll at Halloween, quidditch, end with the Nicholas Flamel name drop 5. Christmas/cloak/mirror of erised, finding Flamel on the card 6. Quidditch 2, Norbert 7. Detention in the Forrest, exams/Hagrid/Dumbledore leaves, end with Fuffy and going through the trapdoor 8. Devil’s snare/keys/chess/potions riddle, fight with Quirrel and the mirror, hospital wing and house cup That could probably be done with 30 minutes each at most so 4 hours total, they don’t need to stretch every season out to 10 hours of content, especially books 1-3, it can be more detailed and include more from the books than the films did without unnecessary padding
I think they will make the first three seasons shorter - either in terms that each episode will be shorter, or there will be fewer of them. Maybe 6 hours of TV, rather than eight+
I think it’s a mistake for pacing to make 7 books of wildly varying length to identical length tv seasons. The best options are: 1. Condense at least books 1-2 into a single season with the end of book 1 being the mid-season break. 2. Split up the books into multiple seasons starting with GoF. 3. Create new side plots not in the books to pad out seasons 1-3. I think in any case PoA ends up feeling the most slowly paced. I don’t think there’s enough there to stretch it across 2 seasons but I do think there’s too much to make it a half season like 1&2.
I don’t think splitting up the seasons 4-7 is a good idea since the books aren’t long enough to be split into any season but they’re long enough to it’s own season
I personally loved the Chamber of Secrets - I guess it just holds a ton of nostalgia for me. I used to take the DVD and watch it by myself in my family’s guest bedroom like every weekend in the 2nd grade. Something about Harry finding a secret, ancient cavern in the castle, uncovering what was petrifying and trying to kill the students was and is so fun to me. If they do it right, I think it can really be a good season, especially if the special effects, plot twists and cliffhangers are done well
They know the full story now. Luna Lovegood, Katie Bell, Ginny, Neville etc. They can build their characters from the beginning. Some characters will be supporting actors or more or less extras until they become important for the plot. But they can put in extra subtext. The castle itself will play an important role in the final battle. So anything you want to allude to in the final battle can be planted already in the first seasons. The boat house is there when Snape dies, so it might just as well be in there for a small portion of the first season, possibly later as well. Staircases and hidden passages can be a labyrinth to start with. But more and more logical as the series goes. In OotP, we can see them sneaking to the room of requirement using different passages etc. Dobbys death can be better if he takes up more of the story. If Harry uses Hedvig for sending letters it will be a more impactful death. Memories can take much more time and inclusion. Young Tom Riddle and Snapes worst memory. The Gaunts. Introducing every piece of horcruxes as done in the books. Snape can really teach about what a besoar is so that it’s already planted. The books do cross references all the time. They can really think about balancing every episode’s plot, the current seasons plot, and also what will be important for later instalments. Make sure there’s quidditch. Make sure the Dursleys are there so we get the change when Dudley is sorry. We can get Petunias arch deepened. There can be small details like a photo of her as a young girl in their home and a small artefact beside it. Then you can reveal her as a young girl in the final season. And maybe that the artefact came from Lily or Snape or whatever they think suits their storytelling. She was not exactly how we thought she was. These kinds of Easter eggs can there be many of.
What about Snape’s task to get to the Stone, surely that’s important to include since Hagrid actually mentions he’s protecting the stone. Did you really think CoS was poorly paced? Yes it’s a who dun it plot, but it’s a really good who dun it plot.
Interesting; your rankings make sense to me! Although one thing I can think of that would help with pacing the seasons would be if they didn't say "Each Season HAS TO BE a certain number of episodes (8 maybe)!" So for the first three books they could do less episodes so they aren't stretching the story TOO FAR, but can still fill in the subplots or other missing details. And then continuing the book by book basis, the next seasons have more and more episodes to give the story room to breathe and not go too fast. So maybe seasons 1-3 have 4 or 5 episodes each. Then season 4, being a much larger story, has 10 or 15 episodes. Maybe season 5 has 16 episodes Maybe season 6 has 15 or 16 episodes as well And season 7 may need 18 or 20 episodes! (Again, I don't know how many fits each best; but this gives you the idea; each season does NOT have to have the exact same number of episodes, when the stories themselves may require more or less.) Edit: Another way they could do it, which is probably even less likely than above, is by making a single episode for every single chapter, and NOT stretching every episode to 45+ minutes if it only needs to be 20-30 minutes. Again, it will probably never happen. But it's an idea.
Chamber of secrets roughly plotted out 1. Harry’s birthday, Dobby, Ron and the twins rescue Harry, end with arriving at the Burrow 2. Burrow, Knockturn/Diagon Alley, flying the car to Hogwarts, Whomping Willow 3. Lockhart class (Pixies), Quidditch/slugs, detention with Lockhart 4. Deathday party, Mrs Norris petrified, Quidditch/Dobby/Colin petrified 5. Duelling Club, Justin/Nick petrified, Polyjuice Potion, Harry finds the diary 6. Diary flashback, losing the diary, Hermionie petrified 7. Hagrid’s arrest/Dumbledore suspended, meeting with Aragog, Ginny is taken into the Chamber 8. Lockhart’s memory charm, Riddle in the Chamber, Basilisk fight, destroy the diary, free Dobby I think 8 episodes of roughly 30-40 minutes each gives 4-5 hours which is plenty for Chamber
I hope they don’t drop the ball on prediction and actually get one out a year. Shows taking 3 even 4 years to come out. And honestly I feel like if there are actors that were in the original and will Commit to all 7 seasons, just cast the same ones. I get wanting a new cast but some of the actors are just so iconic that you don’t need to. Lupin, Sirius, bellatrix, the dursleys (except Dudley), Tonks, bill Weasley, Voice of Dobby, Voldemort. These are all characters that are old enough come back to reprise their roles. They’re so iconic why not just have them play them again? Especially if they are willing to commit to 11 years. I think one of the biggest issues this show will face is characters, epscislly the big 3 getting really big in the acting world then leaving the project.
i hope they use the first season to also establish some of the background story that isnt spoiling any of the future plotlines, e.g. first order of the phoenix, marauders, maybe dumbledoor's past... one can dream
so I reckon they could actually make Azkaban the best one. Each episode includes a B-plot about the Maruaders and you get the slow reveal that it's actually Young Lupin and Harry's dad. Would build a nice crescendo when you think the reveal is going to be Sirius betraying them but then you find out it's in fact Peter.
I agree with most of what you said (especially about the last 4 books). I think they should make the first 3 seasons 6 episodes each. The worst thing they can do is stretch it out too much. But then they can do 8 episodes for the last 4 books, which will be just enough to get everything without it stretching too much.
Technically Fantastic Beast started as 3 films, after the first they extended to 5. However, I think the series is going to surprise everyone. They are going to flesh out other characters. They will NOT go beat for beat like the books. I am predicting 10 episode seasons. With rich character development for more than the trio.
Wow, great video! I agreed with a lot of your points. You even ever-so-slightly changed my mind regarding The Half-Blood Prince film, which I always remember as the weakest. The moment i realised the books are to become a TV series I was elated, mainly because I think that the books relied too much on the notion that people would remember the books. The best example of that is when Dobby dies in the film. We are all heartbroken by the moment he dies, but it's only because we remember him from the books. In the films we only see him in The Chamber Of Secrets and the in TDH, whereas in the books we encounter him all the time!
i almost wish they'd combine the first two books into one season so we don't have to wait half a decade before getting into the good stuff. they are very similar structurally so it could work. HBP will definitely also be a great season.
Worst idea. The entire concept is to take more time, not to rush through all the story. Great world building takes time, the real enjoyment is in the journey not the destination. There’s plenty they can add into the first few books to pad them out into a full season, also I believe the last three books will be two seasons each so they’re not rushed.
Deathly Hallows roughly plotted out with the main points for each episode, it’s the easiest one to do 1. 7 Potters, Dumbledore’s will, Bill and Fleur’s wedding and escaping 2. Grimauld Place, Kreacher’s Tale, breaking into and escaping the Ministry 3. Learning about the sword/Ron leaves, going to and escaping Godric’s Hollow (less going on but it has a lot of the Dumbledore/Grindlewald backstory) 4. Getting the sword/Ron’s return, going to and escaping Lovegood’s, Harry breaks the taboo (this includes the scene where they work out what items the Hallows are, where they are, and what Voldemort is searching for) 5. Malloy Manor, arriving at Bill and Fleur’s, bury Dobby and speak to Griphook and Olivander, final scene is Voldemort getting the Elder Wand 6. Breaking into and escaping Gringotts, arriving in Hogsmeade, Aberforth’s story and Neville coming to bring them to Hogwarts 7. Ravenclaw tower, getting rid of Snape, the start of the battle, end with the room of requirement fight and Fred’s death 8. Going to the Shrieking Shack/Snape’s death, the Prince’s tale, Harry goes to the Forrest 9. King’s Cross, the end of the battle, 19 years later Some of the episodes would be longer than others and you could move things around to make it 10 episodes but that’s a rough outline, a lot of the chapter ends in the books are perfect cliffhangers for a episodes in a series they should use them as templates
0:58 perhaps they were, but the Prisoner of Azkaban movie makes quite the cardinal sins - it doesn’t mention that corporal Patroni are animals, doesn’t mention that Harry’s is a stag and, perhaps worst of all, doesn’t mention who the Marauders were. It’s a great film, but only for someone who has read the book.
1:08 I agree about the first two books, the third one (which was a bit thicker and had a lot less intro) lost nearly all the marauders backstory in the movie, wh8ch was the main driving force behind the plot. Admittedly that bit wasn't very cinematic, 2-3 chapters of essentially just Sirius and Lupin talking to the trio in the shrieking shack, although could have thrown in flashback shots to make up for it
It would be really heart-wrenching if S1 began with the flashback scene from Deathly Hallows, where Lily and James are killed by Voldemort, complete with dialogue and everything. That was one scene I really wish we'd seen in full, but I understand why they left it out. And if it continued with Snape arriving after, then Sirius and Hagrid... I'd even enjoy a scene of Sirius confronting Pettigrew and being shipped off to Azkaban, but I think that might be wishful thinking.
Here's how I would pace the seasons. It's been a while since I read the books, so some things might be out of order. Season 1 101. Harry and the dursleys 102. Harry with Hagrid 103. Arriving at hogwarts 104. Halloween 105. Christmas/Mirror of Arisid 106. Dealing with the dragon 107. Investing 108. The trials/ ending Season 2 201. Dobby 202. The burrow 203. Hoggwarts 204. Death day 205. Dueling 206. Airagog 207. The Dairy 208. Th3 chamber of secrets Season 3 301. Aunt Marge 302. Meeting up with the Weasleys 303. Dementors 304. Serious in the castle 305. Lessons with Lumus 306. Death of BuckBeak 307. The Marruders-Dementors kiss 308. Time turner Season 4. 401. The Quitich World Cup 402. Death Eaters attack 403. The Goblet of Fire 404. The Dragon 405. The Egg 406. The Lake 407. The Maze 408. The cemetery Season 5. 501. Dementor attack 502. Trail of Harry 503. Umbridge 504. The Order of the Phenoix 505. Dumbledore Army 506. Weasly twins big blowout 507. Dreams 508. The Department of Mysteries Season 6. 601. Potions Master 602. The Half Blood Prince 603. The Gaunts 604. Slug Club 605. The Cave 606. Rise of the Dark Lord 607. The Locket 608. Battle of the Clock Tower Season 7. 701. Battle of the 7 potters 702. The wedding 703. Creaters Tale 704. The Horcrux 705. Godric's Hollow 706. The Deathly Hallows 707. Greengots Bank 708. Battle of Hogwarts 709. Platform 9 3/4 710. The Elder Wand
A couple of things that I wonder about this production include: How long will filming each season take? How long will each episode be? One thing that's really annoyed me with Disneys Star Wars TV shows is the masive variance in the length of the episodes in just one shows season. Something that seems to happen across the board with their shows, even the Marvel stuff sometimes. I'm kind of hoping they make each episode about half an hour long, a bit like live action kids shows were almost that long back when I was a kid (which is a lot longer than I want to admit) because that might let them have more episodes per season than what you typically get in streaming shows these days. But I'm also worried about how they'd go about filming these shows. Take too long over a year and that might exhaust the cast, and these are going to include a lot of children. It might even get more exhausting if they try to shoot some seasons back to back, which might be something they try for the first three seasons.
It’s not even just Harry Potter it’s happened with. Companies really think you guys are too dumb to understand what a Philosopher is in the context of magic.
I think it could be cool if the early books’ seasons add brand new characters or storylines to the existing story to help pad the runtime. It would be enhancing the original story by adding to the world, while still being faithful to the books with the book content
Prisoner of Azkaban roughly plotted out 1. Harry’s birthday, Aunt Marge, Knight Bus, end with meeting Fudge at the Leaky Cauldron 2. Diagon Alley, the dementor and Lupin on the train, arriving at Hogwarts 3. Divination, Care of Magical Creatures, the Boggart, tea with Lupin/Sirius tries to break into the tower 4. Quidditch, Harry gets the map and goes to Hogsmeade, Harry gets the Firebolt and falls out with Hermionie 5. Patronus training, Quidditch 2/Sirius breaks in again 6. Hogsmeade 2, Quidditch 3, start the exams and end with Trelawny’s prediction 7. Finding Scabbers, everything at the Shrieking Shack (if they don’t include the full backstory for the Marauders there will be riots), Pettigrew escapes and the Dementor attack 8. Time turner/Sirius escapes etc Shorter episodes will be key for the earlier seasons or less episodes but make them longer (8 episodes of 45 minutes vs 6 episodes of 1 hour sort of thing, still 6 hours of content but paced very differently)
I agree with almost everything you're saying and think they should make the episode lenghts in proportion to the books. Give the first 3 seasons like 5 episodes each (prisoner of azkaban maybe a bit more) and then expand the episode count from there! It depends on the runtime of each episode of course, but I hope they don't try to make each season similar in lenght because that would just be illogical.
I just started rereading the books and I’m drafting out natural episode cuts as I go, and from looking directly at the books, I’ve got a season of 12 for book one and 11 for book two (just started book three and it’ll probably be back up to 12 or higher). I hope they’re willing to vary the episode counts because the books vary WILDLY in length, so the longer books will need longer seasons to really do them justice or else there’s no point in adapting them to a new medium in television.
Half Blood Prince roughly plotted out 1. Muggle Prime Minister, Unbreakable Vow, Dumbledore collects Harry and recruits Slughorn, arrive at the Burrow 2. The Burrow, Diagon Alley (Wizard Wheezes and Borgin & Burkes), train to Hogwarts, Snape is teaching Defence Against the Dark Arts 3. Potions Class (HBP’s book), first Voldemort flashback, Katie Bell/ the necklace 4. Second Voldemort flashback, Quidditch, Slughorn’s party & Christmas at the Burrow 5. Third Voldemort flashback, Ron poisoned, sending Dobby and Kreacher after Malloy, fourth Voldemort flashback 6. Aragog burial, final Voldemort flashback (the true version of the third with Slughorn revealing Horcruxes), the bathroom fight 7. Harry and Dumbledore going to and escaping the cave, end with his death that is a perfect cliffhanger before a finale 8. Battle at the Astronomy Tower, Snape’s reveal, Dumbledore’s funeral Basically every 80 pages or so could be an episode (600 page book = 8 episodes of approximately 1 hour but varying length)
As always a supportive comment. Haven’t seen the video yet but I’m interested on how you’ll rank them. My guess is that we will get a maximum of 3 seasons before they manage to ruin it again 😂😅
Even if this show flops, I want them to go through with it. Not only would it show them that the movies are great as they are (and maybe to have really important people in the creation of the show to ACTUALLY READ THE BOOKS) but it could be interesting to see the later books like Deathly Hallows in TV show format.
Since book 1 and 2 (and a little bit 3) are more complete in the movies, I would definitely focus somewhat on the more lighthearted and magical things, like you said, the castle and it's surroundings, just the sheer wonder that Harry must've felt getting to love in this castle and common room, I think the day to day life at Hogwarts could be intriguing in the beginning, so that later audiences have that connection to the school and teachers and magic.
may be they do justice with ginny and her storyline and show us more of her before she accidentally popping out of nowhere in sixth book.... and i also am interested in the importance pf quiditch in later serious stories it gives a little bit more relatability
One thing I just realised that could be a problem with trying to do a TV series on Harry Potter is the books and the movies were pretty much 95% told from Harry’s point of view which means that the series will likely do the same thing. Considering each season is going to have about 8 to 10 episodes a season is that asking too much for one actor; particularly a child actor?
Season two might go more into the story of house elves which is something that could be interesting, or they can do the Bridgerton way and establish things from later books during the early seasons.
I think I would give S1 a slightly higher score just if they can add stuff such as random classes and show the magic school. They have a chance to explore the castle and what the world is with different side characters. Make this the fun magical season that draws people in, show them being kids.
Can’t relate with your opinion about Order of Phoenix. I think it has some really nice side plots and they could show us more of Umbridge, Dumbledore’s Army, whole trial in Ministry and of course correct scenes of fight in the Ministry. I do not think movie is great since Umbridge isn’t really established as bad person, it has really fast pace and it feels rushed to me, the whole ORDER OF PHOENIX in film is shown to us for like 2 minutes.
What they could do for the first three books, if it is going to be eight episodes per season, is to make the first three seasons’ episodes only about 20 minutes each, then switch to 40-60 minute episodes starting on season four. That should resolve a lot of the pacing issues
I hope the show gives space for everyday Magic activities. One of my personal moments in the movies are the classes. Potterheads are known for kinda wanting to live wizards their lives. So I wouldnt mind two or maybe three classes an episode in the earlier seasons so fill in time. They can imo make subplots about studying weird creatures for an episode which goes wrong.
You're missing the fact that they have a whole treasure trove of info to dive into now that could be used to flesh out the first three seasons. Pottermore was all about more info about the Wizarding World and it wasn't everything Rowling had on it.
Im most excited to see hp1 (cuz of improved modern vfx), hp4 (cuz of the complex large storytelling), and hp7 (idk why this one, maybe cuz i have a feeling it wont be a romcom). Hp2 tvs already exists basically, combine og release with all the deleted footage. As for first 2or3 books i think they'll just reduce amounts of episodes to maybe 6, and maybe extend hp4n5 to 10. I dont think we'll have similar amount of episodes for hp1 and hp4 that's just stupid n doesn't make sense
I honestly feel like books 1 and 2 should be one season, since they're so short and were adapted pretty faithfully already. Especially since I think it's inevitable that either Order of the Phoenix or Deathly Hallows gets split into two seasons, if the show is successful. Maybe even do books 1, 2, and 3 as one twelve episode season. That way we're not waiting three years to get to the books that need more breathing room. Plus I think three years of teasing the return of Voldemort when everyone watching already knows he's coming might not work out well.
For this show I need 3 things
- Do Ron and his relationship with Hermione right
- include the battle of the Astronomy tower
- include Snape’s full story not just clips from random moments in other season
do Ron right yes, and bash hermoine a bit, cause she was just OP
And Harry & Ginnys relationship right
I need a chaotic peeves with at least every single book moment, and in general see alot of ghost just ghosting around :D
Movie Snape is awesome, but they really should have given more details about the bullying he went through and the collapse of his relationship with Lily.
Fr they need to show how pathetic Snape actually was and how he had no problem with Voldemort killing a 1 year old child, which led to the death of the woman he had a creepy obsession with all his life. It also needs to show the other side of the so called "bullying", where he literally invented a spell which cuts the other guy potentially to death and *tried it on James*.
We'll see in 11 years.
Surely its not going to be that long?-
@@thewusociety6061 It's supposed to start in 1 year and end in 11 years.
@@KBtheKiwi944 wow that's sooner than I thought
@@KBtheKiwi944 wtf, they still age year per year... and the books go continuesly... puberty will hit the hart
@@Tacholoco In the books, they are aging 7 years, so only 3 years more!
They should really dive into quidditch in s3. In the books there was a major subplot of this being Oliver Wood's final year at Hogwarts and the team being so determined to win the cup. That whole story was cut from the films. It was also where Harry met Cho Chang and Cedric Diggory for the first time and probably the high point of the rivalry between Harry and Draco.
They just gotta do Wood right. He needs to be a maniac with a heart of gold that WOULDNT TRY to get a penalty but would always "accidently" get one.
Someone that would storm up to Minerva McGonagall herself and say he wouldn't care if Harry died because his broom is cursed JUST because it's a Firebolt
That rivalry deffo peaked in the 6th book but the 3rd was great
For me, one main thing they need to put in the show is kreachers tale. It gave kreacher the redemption he deserved and made such a good conclusion to the story of the fake locket and regulus, and mainly explained why kreacher is the way he is
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
Exactly! The tale of kreacher and regulus is a masterpiece
Absolutely, the films did him so dirty
@Galaxy_lou I never got the impression the locket and the loss of regulus was the reason he was a total nightmare I had the impression that it was for the same reason Sirius suggested or stated his mom was a biggiot and extremely pro Voldmort even after they all died prior to Deathly Hallows I thought Kerture got karma thankfully he realized how messed up the Black's apart from Sirius and Regulus were
Precisely! It's a crime that they just skipped over that.
This is probably the most dangerous tv show ever, people are going to criticise it no matter what because of how recent, popular and good the movies are. Even if season one is better than the movie in almost every aspect, they are going to focus on that one thing, no matter how little to say things like: "at least the movie had that"
At least, I think we can counter them if that "movie had that" didn't actually appear or happen in the books.
The movies were a lot of things. I don’t think good describes a lot of them though…
@@drm726they are amazing. If you don’t think they are the bare minimum good c then you just don’t like Harry Potter
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@@Jensen-CPersonally i like the movies. That doesn’t make them good as actual movies. They have very high highs (prisoner of azkaban) and pretty low lows (goblet of fire and half blood prince) and the divergence from source material and cutting material due to pacing issues really let the films down. I think nostalgia and bias is what gives the movies their renowned and loved status.
I hope the seasons length will just vary with the books, otherwise it won't make any sense
Exactly! They don't have to make seasons the same length. They can go from 6-8 episodes 30-40 min each for seasons 1-3 all the way to 8-10 1-hour episodes for the later seasons. I would argue that that would be the most logical thing to do.
They really should start at goblet of fire - the earlier movies were fine
I think goblet of fire could be cut severely, I find the pacing of the book really slow as it gets so bogged down with the Triwizard tournament
The main struggle the series will have is making it through the first 2-3 seasons strong enough to get to the last 4-7 seasons. The back half of the series is what everyone wants to see in series form. The movies didn’t do the books justice, and a lot of great moments and plots have never been seen on screen. That’s the material the fans are begging for. Unfortunately, the first couple seasons will likely suffer the most criticism because the first couple movies are so well adapted, they will be hard to top. Very unlikely they can be, but I hope people show patience and give the series support to get to the book adaptions we really want to see.
The first seasons could add in perspectives or moments of characters that appear later...to make it feel more real. For example I think we should see Luna earlier.
I just want to watch a visually consistent Harry Potter show, as long as they don't change the vision, the show will be exciting.
@@LMPureBlack Im ok if it looks good. HBP piss green over the screen is a already bad, sitting through HBP is also just as bad
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They could make Remus and Sirius explaining the Marauders back story into an actual episodes with Flashbacks with their voice cutting in every now and then. Because general audiences wont want to watch 2 grown men talk about their days of bullying others for 20 minutes
Order of the Phoenix roughly plotted out
1. Dementor attack, Grimauld Place, meeting the Order (110 pages)
2. Ministry hearing, travel to Hogwarts, first week of classes/detentions (the next 140 pages, 250)
3. Umbridge becomes High Inquisitor, class inspections, the idea of Harry teaching Defence Against the Dark Arts and the meeting the the Hog’s Head (the next 80 pages, 330)
4. Room of requirement, Quidditch, Hagrid’s Tale, end with the Harry/Cho kiss and him going to sleep and dreaming (the next 70 pages, 400)
5. Mr Weasley attack, Christmas/St Mungo’s, Occulemency first lesson, end with the Azkaban breakout (the next 80 pages, 480)
6. Rita Skeeta interview, Trelawny is sacked, Firenze starts teaching, Dumbledore’s Army is found by Umbridge/Dumbledore leaves (the next 70 pages, 550)
7. Umbridge as Headmistress, Snape flashback, meet Grawp, Career advice, OWLs, end with the dream of Sirius (the next 90 pages, 640)
8. The Ministry, end with Sirius’s death (the next 70 pages, 710)
9. Voldemort vs Dumbledore, the prophecy is revealed (the last 50 pages)
There’s a lot of this one that can be abridged/cut out to even up the pacing but it probably would still end up as the longest season because it’s the longest book
Prisoner of Azkaban could give us more Oliver wood moments. Seeing him obsessed over quidditch throughout the book was my favorite part.
And it also has some of the worst scenes in the whole heptalogy or octalogy. I would be happy if those were excluded from the series.
@@philw6056 I’m sorry. I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
@@Elvis-m3i I neither like the depiction of the whomping willow, the dementors nor the marauders map.
"I don't know if there's 5 hours of Marauder's backstory for us to dive into..." *Laughs in All The Young Dudes* 😅😅
Exactly 😂
fr mskingbean89 did what they couldn't 💀
That story is so OOC.
Came to the comments for this one 😂
What they can do to make more out of the earlier books is to add sub plots that weren’t in either the book or movie originally.
For example, they could show the actual break in to Gringotts in PS. They could show Voldemort meeting Quirrell and how he ended up on the back of his head. They could have a full extended scene of Lily and James’s deaths.
They could switch POV’s between Harry and Ginny for episodes in chamber of secrets which would really show the full impact of Tom’s possessions of Ginny. They could show the attacks actually being committed.
They could show what Luna was up to during the first 3 books.
For POA they could show Luna and Ginny’s actions during that book, they could also make the shrieking shack scene much longer and with all the dialogue from the book. They could show Sirius’s actual escape from Azkaban and his break ins to hogwarts, along with multiple other scenes of him on the run.
Sure, Quirrell and Ginny’s reveals wouldn’t be a surprise, but for first time viewers the fun would come from wondering how the characters are going to react when they find out those things.
I very much disagree about the HBP film, I think it’s terrible and the worst movie by far in the series, the goblet of fire is a close second.
You should have done this video, couldn't agree more! 👍
none cares for luna... in he first four books honestly
Could you imagine the lashback though? I mean maybe if some of the "ghost plots" were included but those are supposed to be kept secret. To address yours, we wouldn't get much more out of seeing the break-in and Quirrel other than a few minutes in the final trial. If POV switches in COS then the end of the season is spoiled. Having Luna as a Seamus/Dean-ish character with no real importance but a few good lines is a really good idea. And POA... the biggest thing that was missed by far was the whole sub-plot about Peter, James, Lupin, and Sirius being the Marauders! HPB is lowkey mid as far as HP goes, but it's still great compared to other content.
See i agree except for the quirrel part, that reveal is great and needs to be left alone, having it known to the audience who is doing it but the main character blaming someone else would not make for good viewing
Most of what you are asking for would spoil the twists
It will be interesting to see how they manage to break up something that wasn't meant to be broken up like a TV-show. I think a decent number of chapters have endings that could serve as episode enders, but how to pace it so you don't get a whole episode of fluff, or 5 "endings" in one episode?
I'd say it would be something like this for the first book:
Episode one: The Boy who Lived or The Vanishg Glass - Going from the begging until either the moment Hagrid starts banning the door, or more likely, when they go to sleep after Hagrid tells him he's a Wizard.
Episode two: Dragon Alley - Showing everything Dragon Alley and the train Ride and the sorting, ending as Harry falls asleep his first night at Hogwarts.
Episode three: Hogwarts - Showing Harrys early time at Hogwarts, exploring lessons and introducing flying and Quidditch, but also putting emphasis on Harry and Ron visiting Hagrid and finding out about the Grongotts break in, so we feel something is driving the story along.
Episode four: Midnight Duel or Halloween - Showing Malfoy tricking Harry and Ron out of bed and that whole adventure, including Fluffy, and going all the way to Halloween, ending with them beating the troll and making friends with Hermione.
Episode five: Nicolas Flamel or The Mirror of Erised - Showing the first Quidditch game and the kids finding out about Nicolas Flamel and Everything that happens around Christmas including the mirror.
Episode six: Norbert the Norwegian Ridgeback - Showing everything to do with the dragon and getting rid of him. Also the second Quidditch game with Snape refereeing and Snape and Quirell talking afterwards.
Episode seven: The Forbidden Forest - Showing the aftermath of Harry being caught out of bed and everything in the forest and maybe showing them going down the trap door. It's a hard one, I don't think the Forest will fill a whole episode by it self, but also don't think the everything from going down the trap door to the end will take more than 1 episode.
Episode eight: Through the trap door or The Man with 2 faces - Everything from leaving off until the end.
I'm not sure any of these epodes would fill a whole hour, if we assume hour length episodes, and this is already stretching it pretty far to get 8 full episodes, but I could see a similar breakdown to this might work. You might get away with shifting some event around showing some things that happen later in the book earlier or vice verse, for a better flow, but you can't do too much of that.
Really like this breakdown! Will be interesting to see how the much bigger books are adapted, will more episodes be needed or will they cut stuff out again?Philosophers stone fits easily into 8 hours (won’t need that long) but how will OOTP fit into the same format. I suspect they will have to change the format of the show as it progresses to accommodate this
@@chiefeddy9793 Maybe you could extend the longer books to 10 or 12 episodes or something, but also I don't think we need to extend it too much. There is a quite a bit off fluff that could be cut, or at least tightened, in a tv-series. My go to comparison is that the first season of Game of Thrones hardly cuts anything from the first book, which is well over 800 pages, and that's 10 episodes. The narratives are of course different and would have to be structured differently to work as a series, but also a Harry Potter series would want to cut some stuff like some of the lessons, and probably want to tone down the SPEW stuff for the later books. I still wan't Dobby, but I can do with a minimum of SPEW.
They don’t have to do 8 one hour episodes everytime. Honestly I hope they do more or less depending on what the story needs. Like goblet of fire could be 10 episodes if it needs to be. I hope they do it like that
the famous dragon alley.. xd
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The biggest thing that MUST be included is Peeves.
Why the studio chose not to include that character even though they had test footage I’ll never understand.
Also more of the many different secret passages throughout Hogwarts, it would be a neat touch to see Harry and the gang becoming more and more familiar with the layout each year so eventually getting to places that they thought were hard work before they’re not even thinking about in the end, even cooler touch to see other students looking on in amazement who don’t realise there’s as many secret places as they are.
They said it’s cause they didn’t like the cgi but I thought it looked fine
@@DukeOfAwsomeness Director Commentary they say it messed with the pacing of the movie, there’s no reason it’s cgi since there’s other spirits in the movie.
For me, I think it’s Charlie. I mean- they mention him a lot, why not add him? It’s not like they couldn’t have added him later, they did that with Bill as well.
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I wonder what movie Charlie did to not get invited to The Quidittch World Cup AND Bill's wedding
Supposedly RiK Mayall mooned some girls on set (for real!) and they sacked him on the spot. Instead of recasting him they decided to cut the whole character! A girl I went to dance college with was Hannah Abbott in the movies, she filmed for years - only to finally go the premiere and see she'd been cut!
As much as I'm huge fan, read all the books a bunch of times and seen the movies dozens of times as well, but I actually believe it's too soon for this. The main issue is that movies absolutely NAILED the casting, and they will have a seriously difficult time equaling or even coming close to casting this series, and especially now that several of these legends have passed on filling their shoes will not be easy.
Just another reason to do an animated show rather then live action. It's too close to the films for this.
I agree completely. I made a video last year about why I think this is a terrible idea. Imagine turning on episode 1, it doesn't have John Williams' music, the castle is totally different... it's going to be very jarring.
@@BrettsThoughtsI think Hogwarts Legacy did a pretty decent job of showing how it can be done.
I don’t want it to feel/look/sound exactly the same…though they would be crazy not to hire John Williams to do the score.
I also hope they use Fort William for the exterior shots of Hogwarts again, it’s my favourite part of the franchise to see Scotland as the setting of all the magic.
Fans have been begging for this, and it’s been 12 years since Deathly Hallows part 2.
Personally I feel enough time has passed and there’s so many additional details that have been added since then, plus all the elements that didn’t make it into the movies at all.
The movies will always exist and be cherished, though we as fans can still enjoy this on its own merits.
@ObsessiveGeek Hogwarts legacy is beautiful but very book inaccurate the whole lay out of the castle in the books is different. The movie castle was created before the books finished being written so there are many discrepancies.
@ChelseaChfy-ex1po Yes I know. Its a combination of both the books and the movies, though visually it is more reminiscent of the movies (even though the castle constantly changes design throughout the franchise)
Everyone has their own tastes regarding the books/movies. I absolutely disagree with some of your takes but I think we all agree in hoping that the series will be well made and successful
THEY NEED TO GET RON'S CHARACTERIZATION RIGHT
And Hermione, Albus, Harry, Snape and so on...
And Ginny's and Bill's,,
@@carpenterjim7906 heavy on ginny
@@Expry24maciste they just need to fix everything 🤣 and they need to make it 20 episodes per season bc i need filler episodes where the kids are just having fun and we get to see more of hogwarts
@@deborahanth3672 they did her dirty
How can you say POA is close to the book when they forgot to even tell you who the marauders were.
The plot is close to the book. I always assumed they did because I'D read the book. Telling who the Marauders were would literally be an extra ten seconds. Compare that to actual CHANGES made for films like Goblet of Fire
@officialmonarchmusic GoF for me is still visually close to the book despite no Creeveys, Poa however changes much also it was the lowest box office in the franchise. I have to be honest because it's not a good adaptation, and you get nothing particularly good with storytelling except it has visuals and good direction, for me it was rushed and not really a good adventure plus no complete Quidditch！
I never understand the people that think POA is the best film. It straight up starts with Harry DOING MAGIC outside of school and it not being a problem, but then 10 minutes later he needs to escape home BECAUSE he used magic outside of school.
Also POA is responsible for many dumb changes in wardrobe, the Fat Lady, turning Flitwick into mini Hitler and don't get me started on the awful unnecesary shrunken head
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Agreed. POA was one of the biggest disappointments for me. Didnt like the aesthetic. The magic at the start is just ridiculous. Soo many changes from the first 2 films that made it jarring.
@@maximilianosalvador9559I think POA is the worst movie and I’ve always thought that. I disliked it when it came out and I still dislike it now.
10 or 12 years from now, you should revisit this and see where they end up. Will any of them rise to God tier or drop to F tier?
hahahha me, as a middle aged (or beyond) content creator reacting to this! I'm definitely putting a 12 year reminder in my calendar.
i really hope its called philosophers stone too and not sorcerers stone but it wouldn't stop me watching it
Lol
I think it will be sorcerers. The US market is so big and they’ll want to cater to them (I wouldn’t be surprise if they cast quite a few American actors and make some characters American too), don’t want confused and angry yanks
Why would it be called anything else than "Harry Potter"? They just name seasons 1-7 each covering one book and make actors say their lines for American audience and the rest of the world "sorcerer" or "philosopher" whenever it need to be. Percy Jackson TV series is called Percy Jackson and the Olympians for all the books they're covering, Game of Thrones is named after the first book. Max wouldn't even change TV series name to avoid confusion to non-fans and keep consistency.
@@chriswyatt9869 They can make an Ilvermorny spinoff
@@chriswyatt9869 Fortunately that is actually one of the few things they are doing right. Producers of the show and Max did reveal that castings calls have already been sent and are only available for actors/actresses from Britain and Ireland. so while it may get marketed mostly to the Americans at least we will have proper British and Irish people playing roles that are set in our country and our cultures, like they better have a Scottish McGonagall (Rip Dame Maggie, she was a living Legend and amazing Actress) and an Irish Seamus
My biggest concern with the show isn't about quality but about fan reactions. When it comes to pre-existing franchises there's almost always small loud minority that isn't coming to new stuff with open mind and are ready to hate new stuff, every small book change, new actors or just more diversity. To be clear I'm not talking about constructive criticism but just irrationaly bashing new version of a story. I'm especially worried about child actors, because socials now allows more direct cruel bashing than at time when movies were coming out.
100%. I’m really worried cos yeah people will definitely hop online to bash it, especially as like this guy said the earlier seasons will probably be a lot slower and not as exciting. And since TV shows have gaps between of like a year or so, if it seems like everyone hates it (the loud minority all over social media, particularly the movie lovers who never read the books and don’t want a series) then the show is not unlikely to be cancelled. So many shows get cancelled these days without being finished, especially ones that have either a small fan base or have received lots of criticism. I really hope people will be open minded and the show makers will do it right, but at this point I’m not sure that’s a realistic ideal. Such a shame really I feel like the show is doomed no matter how much I want a GOOD adaptation, the movies didn’t do the books justice
I´m just so happy to finally find someone to like Half-Blood Prince as much as I do.
It was my favorite HP Book and movie while everybody tells me I´m insane and that it´s their least liked movie lmao
All of this. I believe the same thing
I just want one episode in the last season to have a cliff hanger, with narcissa slowly rising from harry's body after being "killed" by voldemort, with music that keeps getting louder, before going quiet as she mutters "dead."
you'll probably watch that scene with your kids lol. 10+ years of wait
I think Deathly Hallows could cut between Harry's story, Neville's story, and Voldemort's.
Bruh that would be epic
Maybe throw Snape’s past through the whole season, with the big twist coming still in the pensive scene.
I'm hoping by the Deathly Hallows they want to milk it for all it's worth, so do a "Rebellion of Hogwarts" spinoff focusing on Neville, Ginny and Luna at Hogwarts.
@@BrettsThoughts id love The prince's tale to be extended to a whole spinoff season of Snape's life 😂
Imagine an episode of the Prisoner season starting with a scene following Sirius as he sneaks into Hogwarts to watch Harry play quidditch. As he finally makes it to the stand we join Harry and it now follows his perspective.This show could play with throw-away lines and create small arcs that serve as world building scenes. I hope they think outside the box and are creative with the material they have.
I really hope each season has a post credit scene like the MCU to set up the next season. It would be so much fun to see what they tease especially as most people already know the story so they could do scenes we didn’t see previously but heard about or read in the books
1. We hear Lucius Malloy (but don’t see him so doesn’t spoil the mystery/reveal) being told about raids being conducted by Arthur Weasley and we see the diary in the basement
2. A reveal of Sirius Black in his cell in Azkaban muttering continuously “he’s at Hogwarts” or Fudge doing his inspection and Sirius asks him for his newspaper
3. Pettigrew in Albania, maybe in the woods looking for Voldemort hearing whispers or at a bar when he overhears Bertha Jorkins talking about the Quidditch World Cup
4. A reveal of Umbridge at the Ministry with others talking about how something needs to be done about Harry and Dumbledore spreading lies about Voldemort
5. Harry arrives back in Privet Drive and finds a letter from Dumbledore saying he will collect him in a couple of weeks and that he has something he wants his help with or Harry looking at newspapers seeing Fudge has resigned and other news like the Amelia Bones murder, or have Draco before Voldemort being given a mission and he looks scared
6. There’s loads of things you could do here but I would have Scrimgeour at his desk with Dumbledore’s will as he looks at the items he leaves to Harry Ron and Hermionie, he could flick through the book and we see a glimpse of the Deathly Hallows symbol, holds the snitch then drops it, he clicks the deluminator and the lights go out ending the scene
If they split Deathly Hallows up again (pointless for a series but they could) then I would have the tease be the Dumbledore’s Army coins being activated with the message to return to Hogwarts
The point of these scenes will like most MCU posts credit scenes be to tease the upcoming story and we don’t actually see these scenes again in context they’re just teases that fans (particularly of the books) will recognise
I want a TV Show about the Marauders era!
They probably won't do this but the easiest answer is to make each season have a different amount of episodes. Best case would be each Season having a different amount based on how the book is adapted but that's even less likely so the first three being shorter is good enough.
If they're upfront with Seasons 1-3 having less episodes than 4-7 in the marketing, I think that could work pretty well. It would also help with the pacing issues if the writing team goes in knowing they don't have to stretch/condense each story to last the same amount of time.
This show has a lot of potential to be as good or even better than the movies but it requires the right team and more importantly the right executives who actually let the production team do their jobs.
It is Warner Bros after all. Entirely possible that the show doesn't get the budget or number of episodes it deserves which would then ruin the chances of it being a good adaptation. Especially if the company keeps doing dumb stuff like cancelling things for tax right-offs.
I love Chamber Of Secrets-book and movie.
I also NEED to see scene or two about the Philosophers Stone and how to get to it. Like Snapes task with all the bottles.
I used to like that film as a kid but now I really need a show being visually consistent and great doing the book justice are just what I need. I also know the tv show will let the films to be just where they were, treat them as cannon somehow.
Chamber of Secrets is my favourite and I’m done with the slander 😂
A lot of the parts of Deathly Hallows happened in like 24 hours: Dumbledore’s will/the wedding/the coffee shop/arriving at 12 Grimmauld.
The Ministry/Ron getting splintched/hearing Ted, Dean and Griphook talk about the sword/taking to Phineas Nigellus Black happened in like 16 hours.
Godric’s Hollow was on the night of Dec 24, the Doe, the sword, and Ron coming back was early morning Dec 26 maybe 36 hours.
The of course Gringotts to Battle of Hogwarts was maybe 30 hours.
One way to add content for S1 would be to show more of Harry growing up with the Dursleys. I always felt his abuse was really glossed over in the movies. Could even have scenes of witches and wizards seeing him and then link it back to the Leaky Cauldron when he later recognises them.
Simple, make earlier seasons shorter, then later ones longer with longer episodes.
What I felt they could do is show what is going on at Hogwarts while Harry, Ron and Hermione are hunting Horcruxes
@thewhitewolf1156 why you end up knowing that when the trio get back anyway
i think the right thing to do with the series is make the first 3 books 8 episodes long and then after that maybe 15 episodes long for the rest of the books?
I think Season 1-3 should be 6 episodes each and Season 4/6 should be 8 whilst 5/7 should be 10
I think 10 is too much for the fifth book. The book is just so long because of the average school life is dragged forever, even jkr said it’s unnecessarily long. 6-8 episodes in year 5 would be better
I agree with 6 episodes for seasons 1-3. British shows (less these days) are known for sticking to 6 episodes so it would make sense.
Yes, it’s streaming, it doesn’t have to fit a Tv structured season
I think with the Chamber of Secrets they could do something really interesting and give us the “chamber being opened 50 years prior” mystery alongside it happening in Harry’s time. Two mysteries, 50 years apart… you could have Harry learning about Hagrid being framed in the same episode as we see Hagrid being expelled from Hogwarts and Tom Riddle getting away with it.
I would love to see this show animated. But I’m pretty sure they’ll probably do live action
What if the first three books are simply less episodes? Don't necessarily think each season has to be the same length, ya know? Breaking Bad, for example, only had seven episodes the first season.
Alternatively, if they can find a good break spot in Chamber, maybe they could do the first three books within two seasons.
Good point
I think there are a lot of plotlines for episodes from the first 3 books you have overlooked that weren't in the films. Most of this for the first series would revolve around seeing more of Harry's lessons, an expanded final act showing the troll and potion challenges and a deeper exploration of Diagon Alley. It's also a chance to fix Ron's character and bring it more in line with the books. Series 2 could devote more time to the Colin Creevey sub-plot as well as having an extra quidditch match (also true for series 1) and spend longer on Harry's changing relationship with the Hufflepuff characters introduced in the book. Series 3 has two more quidditch matches including Harry finally winning the quidditch cup, the Marauders plotline, the trial (which you did mention but could also include more of Malfoys "recovery" from his arm injury), a more gradual set of patronus conjuring lessons, the firebolt, Scabbers looking ill and needing tonic, Hermionie buying Crookshanks, properly introducing Cedric ect. Plenty to go at
Plenty plenty plenty to cover in book 3
I hope with the extra time they have that they add scenes of them just being kids, like the scene in POA where the boys are just hanging out eating the jelly beans in their dorm. One, because it’ll help create the dynamic better and get us closer to them as a trio, and two, it’ll make us relate to the characters more.
Goblet of Fire roughly plotted out
1. The dream of Riddle House, going to the Burrow and arriving at the Quidditch World Cup
2. The match, the Dark Mark, the rest of summer/travel to Hogwarts
3. Announcing the Triwizard Tournament, Mad Eye/Unforgivable Curses, Beuxbatons and Durmstrang arrive, Goblet of Fire/Champions
4. Aftermath of the Goblet/Harry and Ron fall out, Horntail/first task
5. SPEW, Yule Ball, Rita Skeeta vs Hagrid
6. The egg/second task, Sirius in the cave
7. Mr Crouch/the maze, the dream/pensive
8. The third task, Voldemort returns
9. Duel with Voldemort/escape, uncover Moody etc
These episodes probably wouldn’t all need to be an hour long each 40-45 minutes would be plenty for some but 9 episodes of roughly 50 minutes is 7.5 hours total which should be plenty of Goblet to be done properly. One of the difficulties with this book is the tasks and the way they’re spread around throughout the year, they need their own episodes but also need time to develop the mystery that’s why I think you need an episode between each task showing the preparation/build up. The champion selection is Halloween, first task is November, Yule ball is Christmas, second task is February, then the third task is June and they finish for the year a week later.
I never understand the hate towards book 5 angry Harry, to me it made so much sense
He was clearly having PTSD in book 5, almost a depression, in my perspective.
@@94mp99 he was having such a hard time, I always feel bad for him
Philosopher’s stone roughly plotted out
1. Vernon’s “normal” day, the zoo, the letters, end when Hagrid arrives at the hut on the rock
2. Diagon alley, Hogwarts express, the sorting
3. Potions class, tea with Hagrid, broom flying, midnight duel
4. Troll at Halloween, quidditch, end with the Nicholas Flamel name drop
5. Christmas/cloak/mirror of erised, finding Flamel on the card
6. Quidditch 2, Norbert
7. Detention in the Forrest, exams/Hagrid/Dumbledore leaves, end with Fuffy and going through the trapdoor
8. Devil’s snare/keys/chess/potions riddle, fight with Quirrel and the mirror, hospital wing and house cup
That could probably be done with 30 minutes each at most so 4 hours total, they don’t need to stretch every season out to 10 hours of content, especially books 1-3, it can be more detailed and include more from the books than the films did without unnecessary padding
I think they will make the first three seasons shorter - either in terms that each episode will be shorter, or there will be fewer of them. Maybe 6 hours of TV, rather than eight+
I think it’s a mistake for pacing to make 7 books of wildly varying length to identical length tv seasons. The best options are:
1. Condense at least books 1-2 into a single season with the end of book 1 being the mid-season break.
2. Split up the books into multiple seasons starting with GoF.
3. Create new side plots not in the books to pad out seasons 1-3.
I think in any case PoA ends up feeling the most slowly paced. I don’t think there’s enough there to stretch it across 2 seasons but I do think there’s too much to make it a half season like 1&2.
I don’t think splitting up the seasons 4-7 is a good idea since the books aren’t long enough to be split into any season but they’re long enough to it’s own season
I personally loved the Chamber of Secrets - I guess it just holds a ton of nostalgia for me. I used to take the DVD and watch it by myself in my family’s guest bedroom like every weekend in the 2nd grade. Something about Harry finding a secret, ancient cavern in the castle, uncovering what was petrifying and trying to kill the students was and is so fun to me. If they do it right, I think it can really be a good season, especially if the special effects, plot twists and cliffhangers are done well
They know the full story now. Luna Lovegood, Katie Bell, Ginny, Neville etc. They can build their characters from the beginning. Some characters will be supporting actors or more or less extras until they become important for the plot. But they can put in extra subtext.
The castle itself will play an important role in the final battle. So anything you want to allude to in the final battle can be planted already in the first seasons. The boat house is there when Snape dies, so it might just as well be in there for a small portion of the first season, possibly later as well. Staircases and hidden passages can be a labyrinth to start with. But more and more logical as the series goes. In OotP, we can see them sneaking to the room of requirement using different passages etc.
Dobbys death can be better if he takes up more of the story. If Harry uses Hedvig for sending letters it will be a more impactful death.
Memories can take much more time and inclusion.
Young Tom Riddle and Snapes worst memory. The Gaunts.
Introducing every piece of horcruxes as done in the books.
Snape can really teach about what a besoar is so that it’s already planted. The books do cross references all the time. They can really think about balancing every episode’s plot, the current seasons plot, and also what will be important for later instalments.
Make sure there’s quidditch. Make sure the Dursleys are there so we get the change when Dudley is sorry. We can get Petunias arch deepened. There can be small details like a photo of her as a young girl in their home and a small artefact beside it. Then you can reveal her as a young girl in the final season. And maybe that the artefact came from Lily or Snape or whatever they think suits their storytelling. She was not exactly how we thought she was. These kinds of Easter eggs can there be many of.
40-45 minutes per episode:
- 6 episodes for Books 1-3
- 8 episodes for Book 4
- 10 episodes for Books 5-7
If they don’t do exactly 7 episodes each season then that would be the biggest missed opportunity
3:57 “i don’t know if there’s 5 hours of marauders backstory”
marauders fandom: well.. 😀
What about Snape’s task to get to the Stone, surely that’s important to include since Hagrid actually mentions he’s protecting the stone.
Did you really think CoS was poorly paced? Yes it’s a who dun it plot, but it’s a really good who dun it plot.
Interesting; your rankings make sense to me!
Although one thing I can think of that would help with pacing the seasons would be if they didn't say "Each Season HAS TO BE a certain number of episodes (8 maybe)!" So for the first three books they could do less episodes so they aren't stretching the story TOO FAR, but can still fill in the subplots or other missing details. And then continuing the book by book basis, the next seasons have more and more episodes to give the story room to breathe and not go too fast.
So maybe seasons 1-3 have 4 or 5 episodes each.
Then season 4, being a much larger story, has 10 or 15 episodes.
Maybe season 5 has 16 episodes
Maybe season 6 has 15 or 16 episodes as well
And season 7 may need 18 or 20 episodes!
(Again, I don't know how many fits each best; but this gives you the idea; each season does NOT have to have the exact same number of episodes, when the stories themselves may require more or less.)
Edit:
Another way they could do it, which is probably even less likely than above, is by making a single episode for every single chapter, and NOT stretching every episode to 45+ minutes if it only needs to be 20-30 minutes.
Again, it will probably never happen. But it's an idea.
Chamber of secrets roughly plotted out
1. Harry’s birthday, Dobby, Ron and the twins rescue Harry, end with arriving at the Burrow
2. Burrow, Knockturn/Diagon Alley, flying the car to Hogwarts, Whomping Willow
3. Lockhart class (Pixies), Quidditch/slugs, detention with Lockhart
4. Deathday party, Mrs Norris petrified, Quidditch/Dobby/Colin petrified
5. Duelling Club, Justin/Nick petrified, Polyjuice Potion, Harry finds the diary
6. Diary flashback, losing the diary, Hermionie petrified
7. Hagrid’s arrest/Dumbledore suspended, meeting with Aragog, Ginny is taken into the Chamber
8. Lockhart’s memory charm, Riddle in the Chamber, Basilisk fight, destroy the diary, free Dobby
I think 8 episodes of roughly 30-40 minutes each gives 4-5 hours which is plenty for Chamber
I hope they don’t drop the ball on prediction and actually get one out a year. Shows taking 3 even 4 years to come out.
And honestly I feel like if there are actors that were in the original and will
Commit to all 7 seasons, just cast the same ones. I get wanting a new cast but some of the actors are just so iconic that you don’t need to. Lupin, Sirius, bellatrix, the dursleys (except Dudley), Tonks, bill Weasley, Voice of Dobby, Voldemort.
These are all characters that are old enough come back to reprise their roles. They’re so iconic why not just have them play them again? Especially if they are willing to commit to 11 years.
I think one of the biggest issues this show will face is characters, epscislly the big 3 getting really big in the acting world then leaving the project.
Did they say 1 a year? My understanding was 7 seasons (1 per book) over 10 years.
I think James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter will be touched on more as friends as well as the MM.
i hope they use the first season to also establish some of the background story that isnt spoiling any of the future plotlines, e.g. first order of the phoenix, marauders, maybe dumbledoor's past... one can dream
so I reckon they could actually make Azkaban the best one. Each episode includes a B-plot about the Maruaders and you get the slow reveal that it's actually Young Lupin and Harry's dad. Would build a nice crescendo when you think the reveal is going to be Sirius betraying them but then you find out it's in fact Peter.
I agree with most of what you said (especially about the last 4 books). I think they should make the first 3 seasons 6 episodes each. The worst thing they can do is stretch it out too much. But then they can do 8 episodes for the last 4 books, which will be just enough to get everything without it stretching too much.
Technically Fantastic Beast started as 3 films, after the first they extended to 5.
However, I think the series is going to surprise everyone. They are going to flesh out other characters. They will NOT go beat for beat like the books.
I am predicting 10 episode seasons. With rich character development for more than the trio.
I think the first season is gonna be a kids show but by the end it'll be Supernaturals/Vampire diaries/Shadow Hunters level
Oh LORD I can't handle the Shadowhunters show. I was so excited for it and SO disappointed 😭
Wow, great video! I agreed with a lot of your points. You even ever-so-slightly changed my mind regarding The Half-Blood Prince film, which I always remember as the weakest. The moment i realised the books are to become a TV series I was elated, mainly because I think that the books relied too much on the notion that people would remember the books. The best example of that is when Dobby dies in the film. We are all heartbroken by the moment he dies, but it's only because we remember him from the books. In the films we only see him in The Chamber Of Secrets and the in TDH, whereas in the books we encounter him all the time!
half blood prince is my favorite by a long shot
i almost wish they'd combine the first two books into one season so we don't have to wait half a decade before getting into the good stuff. they are very similar structurally so it could work. HBP will definitely also be a great season.
Worst idea.
The entire concept is to take more time, not to rush through all the story.
Great world building takes time, the real enjoyment is in the journey not the destination.
There’s plenty they can add into the first few books to pad them out into a full season, also I believe the last three books will be two seasons each so they’re not rushed.
@@ObsessiveGeeki did say almost. I’d rather see them fully fleshed out and wait however long
@@thesoftersideofsears Still a weird take
Deathly Hallows roughly plotted out with the main points for each episode, it’s the easiest one to do
1. 7 Potters, Dumbledore’s will, Bill and Fleur’s wedding and escaping
2. Grimauld Place, Kreacher’s Tale, breaking into and escaping the Ministry
3. Learning about the sword/Ron leaves, going to and escaping Godric’s Hollow (less going on but it has a lot of the Dumbledore/Grindlewald backstory)
4. Getting the sword/Ron’s return, going to and escaping Lovegood’s, Harry breaks the taboo (this includes the scene where they work out what items the Hallows are, where they are, and what Voldemort is searching for)
5. Malloy Manor, arriving at Bill and Fleur’s, bury Dobby and speak to Griphook and Olivander, final scene is Voldemort getting the Elder Wand
6. Breaking into and escaping Gringotts, arriving in Hogsmeade, Aberforth’s story and Neville coming to bring them to Hogwarts
7. Ravenclaw tower, getting rid of Snape, the start of the battle, end with the room of requirement fight and Fred’s death
8. Going to the Shrieking Shack/Snape’s death, the Prince’s tale, Harry goes to the Forrest
9. King’s Cross, the end of the battle, 19 years later
Some of the episodes would be longer than others and you could move things around to make it 10 episodes but that’s a rough outline, a lot of the chapter ends in the books are perfect cliffhangers for a episodes in a series they should use them as templates
Them making snape black is HILARIOUS 😂
0:58 perhaps they were, but the Prisoner of Azkaban movie makes quite the cardinal sins - it doesn’t mention that corporal Patroni are animals, doesn’t mention that Harry’s is a stag and, perhaps worst of all, doesn’t mention who the Marauders were. It’s a great film, but only for someone who has read the book.
1:08 I agree about the first two books, the third one (which was a bit thicker and had a lot less intro) lost nearly all the marauders backstory in the movie, wh8ch was the main driving force behind the plot. Admittedly that bit wasn't very cinematic, 2-3 chapters of essentially just Sirius and Lupin talking to the trio in the shrieking shack, although could have thrown in flashback shots to make up for it
It would be really heart-wrenching if S1 began with the flashback scene from Deathly Hallows, where Lily and James are killed by Voldemort, complete with dialogue and everything. That was one scene I really wish we'd seen in full, but I understand why they left it out. And if it continued with Snape arriving after, then Sirius and Hagrid... I'd even enjoy a scene of Sirius confronting Pettigrew and being shipped off to Azkaban, but I think that might be wishful thinking.
Here's how I would pace the seasons. It's been a while since I read the books, so some things might be out of order.
Season 1
101. Harry and the dursleys
102. Harry with Hagrid
103. Arriving at hogwarts
104. Halloween
105. Christmas/Mirror of Arisid
106. Dealing with the dragon
107. Investing
108. The trials/ ending
Season 2
201. Dobby
202. The burrow
203. Hoggwarts
204. Death day
205. Dueling
206. Airagog
207. The Dairy
208. Th3 chamber of secrets
Season 3
301. Aunt Marge
302. Meeting up with the Weasleys
303. Dementors
304. Serious in the castle
305. Lessons with Lumus
306. Death of BuckBeak
307. The Marruders-Dementors kiss
308. Time turner
Season 4.
401. The Quitich World Cup
402. Death Eaters attack
403. The Goblet of Fire
404. The Dragon
405. The Egg
406. The Lake
407. The Maze
408. The cemetery
Season 5.
501. Dementor attack
502. Trail of Harry
503. Umbridge
504. The Order of the Phenoix
505. Dumbledore Army
506. Weasly twins big blowout
507. Dreams
508. The Department of Mysteries
Season 6.
601. Potions Master
602. The Half Blood Prince
603. The Gaunts
604. Slug Club
605. The Cave
606. Rise of the Dark Lord
607. The Locket
608. Battle of the Clock Tower
Season 7.
701. Battle of the 7 potters
702. The wedding
703. Creaters Tale
704. The Horcrux
705. Godric's Hollow
706. The Deathly Hallows
707. Greengots Bank
708. Battle of Hogwarts
709. Platform 9 3/4
710. The Elder Wand
A couple of things that I wonder about this production include:
How long will filming each season take?
How long will each episode be?
One thing that's really annoyed me with Disneys Star Wars TV shows is the masive variance in the length of the episodes in just one shows season. Something that seems to happen across the board with their shows, even the Marvel stuff sometimes.
I'm kind of hoping they make each episode about half an hour long, a bit like live action kids shows were almost that long back when I was a kid (which is a lot longer than I want to admit) because that might let them have more episodes per season than what you typically get in streaming shows these days.
But I'm also worried about how they'd go about filming these shows. Take too long over a year and that might exhaust the cast, and these are going to include a lot of children. It might even get more exhausting if they try to shoot some seasons back to back, which might be something they try for the first three seasons.
0:34 i will be too. I’m already annoyed that America did that in the first place. And I’m a loud and proud American 😂
It’s not even just Harry Potter it’s happened with.
Companies really think you guys are too dumb to understand what a Philosopher is in the context of magic.
@@ObsessiveGeek yeah, no one knows anything about the history of academia and education...alchemy anyway
At the end of the last season/book the child actors are gonna be in their 30's based on how current tv shows work.. 2-4 years between seasons 😅
I think it could be cool if the early books’ seasons add brand new characters or storylines to the existing story to help pad the runtime. It would be enhancing the original story by adding to the world, while still being faithful to the books with the book content
I'll enjoy even the less good seasons. JK used some kind of witchcraft to hook us potterheads
Ikr! Same.
Prisoner of Azkaban roughly plotted out
1. Harry’s birthday, Aunt Marge, Knight Bus, end with meeting Fudge at the Leaky Cauldron
2. Diagon Alley, the dementor and Lupin on the train, arriving at Hogwarts
3. Divination, Care of Magical Creatures, the Boggart, tea with Lupin/Sirius tries to break into the tower
4. Quidditch, Harry gets the map and goes to Hogsmeade, Harry gets the Firebolt and falls out with Hermionie
5. Patronus training, Quidditch 2/Sirius breaks in again
6. Hogsmeade 2, Quidditch 3, start the exams and end with Trelawny’s prediction
7. Finding Scabbers, everything at the Shrieking Shack (if they don’t include the full backstory for the Marauders there will be riots), Pettigrew escapes and the Dementor attack
8. Time turner/Sirius escapes etc
Shorter episodes will be key for the earlier seasons or less episodes but make them longer (8 episodes of 45 minutes vs 6 episodes of 1 hour sort of thing, still 6 hours of content but paced very differently)
I agree with almost everything you're saying and think they should make the episode lenghts in proportion to the books. Give the first 3 seasons like 5 episodes each (prisoner of azkaban maybe a bit more) and then expand the episode count from there! It depends on the runtime of each episode of course, but I hope they don't try to make each season similar in lenght because that would just be illogical.
I just started rereading the books and I’m drafting out natural episode cuts as I go, and from looking directly at the books, I’ve got a season of 12 for book one and 11 for book two (just started book three and it’ll probably be back up to 12 or higher). I hope they’re willing to vary the episode counts because the books vary WILDLY in length, so the longer books will need longer seasons to really do them justice or else there’s no point in adapting them to a new medium in television.
Half Blood Prince roughly plotted out
1. Muggle Prime Minister, Unbreakable Vow, Dumbledore collects Harry and recruits Slughorn, arrive at the Burrow
2. The Burrow, Diagon Alley (Wizard Wheezes and Borgin & Burkes), train to Hogwarts, Snape is teaching Defence Against the Dark Arts
3. Potions Class (HBP’s book), first Voldemort flashback, Katie Bell/ the necklace
4. Second Voldemort flashback, Quidditch, Slughorn’s party & Christmas at the Burrow
5. Third Voldemort flashback, Ron poisoned, sending Dobby and Kreacher after Malloy, fourth Voldemort flashback
6. Aragog burial, final Voldemort flashback (the true version of the third with Slughorn revealing Horcruxes), the bathroom fight
7. Harry and Dumbledore going to and escaping the cave, end with his death that is a perfect cliffhanger before a finale
8. Battle at the Astronomy Tower, Snape’s reveal, Dumbledore’s funeral
Basically every 80 pages or so could be an episode (600 page book = 8 episodes of approximately 1 hour but varying length)
As always a supportive comment. Haven’t seen the video yet but I’m interested on how you’ll rank them. My guess is that we will get a maximum of 3 seasons before they manage to ruin it again 😂😅
When are they gonna start casting for the series? Or have they already started?
Chamber secrets is one of my favs! Prisoner was the best read and Goblet is best everything lol
I really need them to include peeves and charlie
Even if this show flops, I want them to go through with it. Not only would it show them that the movies are great as they are (and maybe to have really important people in the creation of the show to ACTUALLY READ THE BOOKS) but it could be interesting to see the later books like Deathly Hallows in TV show format.
Since book 1 and 2 (and a little bit 3) are more complete in the movies, I would definitely focus somewhat on the more lighthearted and magical things, like you said, the castle and it's surroundings, just the sheer wonder that Harry must've felt getting to love in this castle and common room, I think the day to day life at Hogwarts could be intriguing in the beginning, so that later audiences have that connection to the school and teachers and magic.
They could theoretically do different amount of episodes for each season and make the first three shorter. Though I doubt that'll happen
may be they do justice with ginny and her storyline and show us more of her before she accidentally popping out of nowhere in sixth book.... and i also am interested in the importance pf quiditch in later serious stories it gives a little bit more relatability
One thing I just realised that could be a problem with trying to do a TV series on Harry Potter is the books and the movies were pretty much 95% told from Harry’s point of view which means that the series will likely do the same thing. Considering each season is going to have about 8 to 10 episodes a season is that asking too much for one actor; particularly a child actor?
Season two might go more into the story of house elves which is something that could be interesting, or they can do the Bridgerton way and establish things from later books during the early seasons.
I think I would give S1 a slightly higher score just if they can add stuff such as random classes and show the magic school. They have a chance to explore the castle and what the world is with different side characters. Make this the fun magical season that draws people in, show them being kids.
I’m honestly kinda excited for this. If they do it well, this could really be something special.
Can’t relate with your opinion about Order of Phoenix. I think it has some really nice side plots and they could show us more of Umbridge, Dumbledore’s Army, whole trial in Ministry and of course correct scenes of fight in the Ministry. I do not think movie is great since Umbridge isn’t really established as bad person, it has really fast pace and it feels rushed to me, the whole ORDER OF PHOENIX in film is shown to us for like 2 minutes.
What they could do for the first three books, if it is going to be eight episodes per season, is to make the first three seasons’ episodes only about 20 minutes each, then switch to 40-60 minute episodes starting on season four. That should resolve a lot of the pacing issues
The way I thought of making the episodes would be to split each episode with 2 to 3 chapters per episode. Some may need more scenes to fill in etc
I can see S1 and 2 being 6 episodes,S3 being 8 episodes and the rest being 10 episodes.
I hope the show gives space for everyday Magic activities. One of my personal moments in the movies are the classes. Potterheads are known for kinda wanting to live wizards their lives. So I wouldnt mind two or maybe three classes an episode in the earlier seasons so fill in time. They can imo make subplots about studying weird creatures for an episode which goes wrong.
You're missing the fact that they have a whole treasure trove of info to dive into now that could be used to flesh out the first three seasons. Pottermore was all about more info about the Wizarding World and it wasn't everything Rowling had on it.
Im most excited to see hp1 (cuz of improved modern vfx), hp4 (cuz of the complex large storytelling), and hp7 (idk why this one, maybe cuz i have a feeling it wont be a romcom). Hp2 tvs already exists basically, combine og release with all the deleted footage.
As for first 2or3 books i think they'll just reduce amounts of episodes to maybe 6, and maybe extend hp4n5 to 10. I dont think we'll have similar amount of episodes for hp1 and hp4 that's just stupid n doesn't make sense
1:25 Pretty sure he cast some spells in his exams (practical exams of course)
I will file lawsuit to Azkaban if Fred’s death is not included
I think they should do book 1 and 2 in the first season
I made another video about how I think they can make Season 1 successful, and I talk about why I don't think that would work.
I honestly feel like books 1 and 2 should be one season, since they're so short and were adapted pretty faithfully already. Especially since I think it's inevitable that either Order of the Phoenix or Deathly Hallows gets split into two seasons, if the show is successful. Maybe even do books 1, 2, and 3 as one twelve episode season. That way we're not waiting three years to get to the books that need more breathing room. Plus I think three years of teasing the return of Voldemort when everyone watching already knows he's coming might not work out well.
3:27 there is at much they cut out of the movie at the end though! So much explanation that is just not there at all or very vague.