My god... Our ancestors were monsters that can survive in like 500G or so. Why have we become so weak? What tremendous thing happened between now and 600 years ago?
Imagine flying the arrows straight ahead. To make it rain arrows is " one " method. To send them at human height is another. With rocket power , i speculate every one of those targets would have an arrow in them.
SenMysrana no. Three reasons. 1. If you got a Hwacha at that time, no reason to run away unless you face a dragon. A surrounded korean force of some regular army+monks+civilian resistance force which formed 4K destroyed 30K Japanese regular army highly armed with muskets and calvary in battle of 행주. Truly a devastating firepower. 2. You literally cannot run away with Hwacha. It is a horse-pulled (or hand-pulled) artillery cart. You'd better dump it away and then run on your feet. It is not an SPG. So, no engine of course. Even WW2 artillery crews dumped their weapon when they ran away. And horses are slower and weaker than half-track trucks of 20th century. 3. Hwacha takes you less time reloading than to run away. You reload Hwacha like modern assault rifles. Ran out of ammo? Just insert new mag module. There are many kinds of magazine modules for Hwacha including 200 rocket arrow pack, 50 exploding rocket arrow pack, 50 to 200 shot machinegun pack with shotshells or pin stabilized steel rods, and assault pack with MG+spears+shield modules .etc If you got enough time to run away from zombies, an assault rifle, and extra magazines on your hands, you reload that damn thing instead of running away. That is more time-efficient.
Some people's favorite clip is the exploding cement tank, which is a damn cool sight. But for me, watching two hundred arrows flying from a canon has a thrill that can never be duplicated.
Fun fact: They had specially made "bullets" for these too, where, instead of 100 arrows, they could load upto 200. Love the Hwacha. Also had 3 configurations for it too. Really good ingenuity.
You do realize these are arrows, not metal rockets, right? The atmosphere and constantly changing weather plays much bigger role than your one test rocket. They aren't that stupid, they 100% already did what you said, but it just does not work like that. Ask any professional archer.
Korean did used this weapon effectively but it wasn't their favorite because it consumed too much black powder. We preferred more cannon, muskets and arrows. FUN FACT: Koreans fought against the Russians on 15 C as a reinforcement for the Chinese Campaign. While Russians formed line to fire volley, Korean didn't know such thing so they just hide and sniped the Russians. Korean won.
It is what ネット右翼 like you imagines, not reality. And I heard that the people are considered to be shame in even Japan. Why don't you get rid of your prejudice and live your own life?
The English that I've used and the content in the writing are all correct. If you can't believe it, why don't you search ネット右翼 on Google? It may tell how normal people actually think about ネット右翼 like you.
Hwacha was lightweight, easy to carry around, load, and concentrate fire. Arrows exploded around impact, with 30cm (one-foot) blast radius. The only downside five hundred years ago was, it consumed ten times more gunpowder than firing a dozen canons. Since gunpowder production was limited in the middle ages, canons became the economic choice when war dragged on between Korea and Japan.
Pretty impressive! Koreans clearly had a good understanding of force multipliers back in the day. That thing could be operated by 2-3 men and could kill 20-100 enemies. I imagine it was expensive to operate though, it'd probably have the maintenance cost of a F-16 in modern times.
***** 100 archers takes 100 men. You can make this, send it to an area where you can't afford to post 10 companies of infantry 24/7, and you a have a temporary archer battery at your disposal that a couple of guys with a torch could operate.
***** Pulling a wooden bow that has the tension to fire an arrow 100m cannot be done by babies and small children. A good bow requires a strong set of arms. I'm assuming that's hyberbole, but let's get that clear before you start using that in every post. Logistics and everything else aside, the point of the Hwacha is once it is made and delivered to an outpost, 1-2 men can simulate the volley of 100. The reason that's important is because sometimes you need those 100 men elsewhere, but still want your forts and etc to be defensible so your bordering nations don't get any wise ideas.
Korea had a lot of money as it had plenty of trade with China and Japan. However in most wars against China, Mongols and Japan it was severely outnumbered. Korea almost always fought against nations far more populous than it so they needed force multipliers.
Admiral Yi Sun-Sin was a technological and tactical genius and a total badass. Between this weapon, the Turtle ship, and his sheer bravery, he helped make Korea able to stand their ground in the late 16th century. A hero to his people even today.
I don't think it was to do with how many you killed. But as you said, it would have been absolutely terrifying, and it's possible that only really disciplined troops could have held their ground. A similar thing happened in Agincourt: Not many french knights were killed by the arrows, but were trampled over by their horses and fellow knights as they tripped under the barrage, or tried to escape wearing heavy armour in the thick mud. The survivors simply ran/rode away.
@wraith444 Hwachas were definitely more effective in some ways than archers because of their long range (over 500 yards), precision (MythBusters proved that other than a dozen arrows, almost all 200 arrows gathered in one area), large number of missiles(100-200), destructive power (some blew up on target), and especially the scaring factor. And during those times, armies marched in clumped units so 200 explosive arrows would cause massive damage.
Hwacha was the exact same idea as a MRL, its supposed to cause not so much damage, but cause humongous fear amongst enemies. The individual arrows/rockets are called Shin Gi Jeons, and the stuff that goes onto hwachas are small ones. The big ones are supposed to be fired like a modern day anti tank missile. The biggest one flew for about a 1km, and there was a medium-big one that exploded twice. awesome technology. Too bad these were a bit expensive :(
Rest in peace grant you will forever be in my thoughts and prayers thank you for getting me through my childhood actually teaching me some thing instead of all the poison that is taught to kids nowadays
Well, would you look at this. Not a music composition, not a cover, and yet people talk about TABS in the comments section. You did it, Jack. You changed the world.
@@tsm688 I'm sorry, is this a like shaming you're doing? People in the comments were making Totally Accurate Battle Simulator references in the comments. TABS.
Gunny burrowed this for the Rocket Launcher episode of Lock N Load today this system is called the MMDS which is a truck that shoots missiles out of 47 launch tubes.
The way they tested and judged this was completely wrong. Weapons like this are for large area bombardment of areas saturated with enemy troops. You don't target an individual squad or whatever, you just target an area where there are so many troops that no matter where it lands, someone is going to be in the blast radius. That was the nature of warfare in the era this was from, massed formations of thousands of people tightly packed.
It was actually in the Chinese analyses that I heard in a guest lecture at my university. Huoche was literally a rapidly deployable proto-machine gun meant to halt/demoralize infantry advances, while Hwacha was a proto-artillery meant as a siege weapon against advancing heavy infantry (didn't work so well against loose formation of... say Jurchen cavalry). Look, just because M4 and a Howitzer both have gun barrels and use propellants doesn't mean they're basically the same weapon either.
pretty sure it was a vessel state of mongolia in the time thia weapon would have been around. korea as an independant location wad lìke 600-700AD but has been taken and part of other countries territory for most the time since and only been its own for 200 years so i dont think you can claim much of korean heritage and history
@@Goodywloss2010 i dont think so, we've never been taken part of other country until japan took over on ww2 only 35years. in fact korea was the only country in east aisa which was not colonized by mongolia (except japan which was an island)
I enjoyed the test, but I never knew why this was considered a "myth" in the first place. It's like saying elephants are a myth because nobody uses war elephants anymore.
Also, it is said that Korea developed the world's first airship to fly in 1592 (with two people). Many bombs and stones were dropped and many samurai died.
yeah, imagine 50-100 of these launchers against a army of 50,000-100,000, would be a massacre and the idea of so many arrows flying all at once and the explosions, the enemy would be fleeing from the battlefield. would also be a great seige weapon.
Huoche and hwacha are completely different weapon, despite looking very similar. Huoche, with its single wheel, allowed for great mobility but extremely inaccurate and limited range - aka, it was a close-range weapon meant to move around while firing. Hwacha, with its two wheel & support structures, reduced mobility but greatly increased accuracy and range - a long-range weapon meant to be stationary during combat.
YIC Kari: If there's a picture of it we know it exists. Tory: We know it exists. We're testing the legend of it. Whether or not it could do what they say it could do. They have tested plenty of American and/or European legends in exactly the same way. Off the top of my head I'm thinking of the steam powered cannon of the Civil War (in America). I don't see anything "Eurocentric" about it.
YIC most medieval weapons are poorly documented, western or otherwise. While we know they existed, it is hard to tell how well they worked. Do not read into in what is not there. I remember them testing a Trebuchet for instance.
China is one of the oldest provinces in existance, stretching back just as far as most Ancient civilizations, the thing is that while we know a lot of weapons came out of China (The Whacha and the Moving Castle) we don't know if they were effective or not so tests like these are very awesome. Should also be noted that not a lot of documents exist of china before 800 AD, considering a book called "The Romance of The Three Kingdom's" is considered to be historically accurate(mostly.) despite the fact that there is plenty of Myth and Legend in it(but that's to be expected of a Romatization of historical events)
it's a Singijeon(Singijeon, 신기전, 神機箭) 'Whacha' comes in various forms. First, Gun type. it's a Multi-length small caliber cannon. like a claymore Second, Rocket type In Korea, there were 소신기전, 중신기전, 대신기전. - 소신기전 小神機箭 So Sin Gi Jeon (Small Singijeon) - 중신기전 中神機箭 Jung Sin Gi Jeon (Middle class Singijeon) - 대신기전 大神機箭 Dae Sin Gi Jeon (Big class Singijeon) Singijeon is a multiple rocket launcher. The Jung-SinGiJeon is a multiple rocket with an explosive warhead at the tip of an arrow. Dae Singijeon is a land-to-ground rocket. There was 산화신기전 (SanHwa SinGiJeon/散火神機箭) as a higher grade than Dae Singijeon. It is the world's first two-stage rocket, multiple warhead rocket. They look down on So Singijeon, but cross-fire at a crowded enemy can inflict considerable collateral damage. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singijeon
They were effective in war, but the effect on morale was much greater. Imagine marching towards enemy lines and then you see huge plumes of smoke and fire rising, accompanied by a deafening hissing and roaring. And that's before hundreds of arrows start raining down on you and your formation. It would take a really disciplined army not to run away when faced with a few of these. And the effect on horses would've been even greater, since they panic easily.
The B-team was such a huge part of the show...I truly hope Grant, Kari, and Tori are happy in their new endeavors. Ever notice you can tell what kind of science someone is interested in by the order they put the names of the B-team in?
I sincerely doubt this would be effective at killing a large number of people. However, a weapon's effectiveness isn't tied solely to its ability to kill. WW1 tanks were horrible at everything they did. Moving, firing. But the shock value was plenty to make soldiers break and route. You go back hundreds of years and your army is ready to do battle, and suddenly, the enemy has figured out how to *shoot fire* at you from a distance..most infantry would break. Because these also aren't professional soldiers. The vast majority would be peasants drafted to fight with whatever they had with them. Destroying their morale wouldn't just be as effective as killing them, it might be *more* so. Because the survivors will run back to their homes and spread news of this new, terrifying weapon. Which means less people to fight you.
It is a matter of thinning large armies in the same way the british longbowmen were used for. Noone questions the efficacy of the longbowmen, this is merely a mechanical version that fires 200 exploding arrows but not nearly as far. Anything that is sharp that can fly 500m is definitely lethal, with added bonus of explosives.
Imagine yourself as an enemy soldier marching towards a Korean army in 1600s. The Koreans then suddenly fire pillars of smoke from their carts flying towards your formations and kill a bunch of people long before your army can do anything. Now that's going to be very scary for a person who rarely saw a cannon in the battlefield. so i guess the hwacha would be quite effective in 'winning' the battle, although not specifically 'killing'
***** Yes, and I am a Korean myself so I say with confident that that is true, but you should not forget the role of the people, the actual people who fought the Japanese, NOT the government. It was not an orchestrated uprising by the Korean government at the time. It was purely by the locals. This meant that even thought the Korean government was almost heated on death, the Japanese could not focus on them. With the Ming reinforcement, they were driven off. Also, you should never forget the fact that admiral Yi Sun Shin managed to annihilate the Japanese navy every time he went to battle, and cut the Japanese army's supply line completely. No food, enemy everywhere. The only option they had was: GTFO
In the beginning that was true but in the autumn of 1918 the British mark V tanks and the French SV-17 were very effective. Also their rapidfire is the most effective way. Usually archers also shot arrows in volleys. It will lead troops to hesitate and could lead them stumbling over each other.
I think material of arrows used in the video is not fitting for demonstration.... Should've used woods with better quality since arrows on the vid seemed to be broken already at firing - burning arrow it self... They should've used slightly shorter arrows pretty much like crossbow bolt to increase range and penetration. Also, targets used in the video is not really fitting for the weapon's purpose. The weapon is designed like detonating claymore in sky. - hitting well gathered army in huge number. therefore fitting target for this weapon should be like few hundred watermelon gathered in area.
gotta love how Kari, Tory and Grant are hiding behind the bulletproof glass while the camera and sound guys are standing out in the open without protection.
Yeah! yeah! Yeah! That reminded me that the US had huge batteries of these weapons on ships in the South Pacific. They were basically rocket propelled grenades though... I had forgotten about that...
fmagistel South Korean weaponry can't be state of art when they still use Hwacha. And Amerika doesn't have alien technology, they are too busy fucking themselves to bother inventing such. Those things flying in the sky, the UFO are just aliens fucking around and being too much of a pussy to show their faces.
Don't ya just love that the captions (both on UA-cam and in the original Discovery Channel broadcast) referred to the Hwacha as "Watch out" I mean, it's a misspelling, but...It's still good advice.
This guys used it wrong it worked well the enemy is chagrining at you. During the Imjin war it work very well against Samurai's. The Koreans killed many of them in land battles.
Clee4000 eh, they were used both from short range and long range, sources refer to them being used at 100 meters but also mentioned them being used on Panokseons during naval battle and fired at great distances from a moving vessel. So most likley they were a versatile weapon platform.
+Clee4000 They are essentially a unit of archers in one artillery platform. You could use them pretty much anywhere you could use archers, save it had longer range and better space efficiency at the cost of reload speed.
Good ol' GoT. Used a weapon over 200 years before it was invented, by a culture that never fought in Japan, fired faster than a modern missile system, against ships that weren't used, by a guy with a 19th century name, wielding a 16th century weapon, in a 12th century setting. Its a good game, but my god its historical accuracy is hilarious considering the claimed but actually non-existant Kurosawa influence, since Kurosawa films were extensively researched.
(2nd reply) Maybe the reason they did 50 degrees was because the rocket pod doesn't have a tight fit around the rocket which makes it unstable when it launches from the barrel.
also the standard for formations back then was packing soilders into solid shapes (rectangles,triangles, ETC) even archers were packed like this to allow a more dense volley. firing this on a pack like that even 1. would probaly DEVISTATE any army all the while supressing and demoralizing them.
When in doubt, add more rockets.
Oh my god... My ancestors are Kerbals...
My god... Our ancestors were monsters that can survive in like 500G or so. Why have we become so weak? What tremendous thing happened between now and 600 years ago?
Kang Jason Since you know what Kerbals are, A kraken, maybe?
Suyoung Park Oh, forgot about krakens. What a bunch of assholes.
Hahahaha made my day
😂😂😂😂comment of the year
"Imagine if we had... 3 thousand! 30 thousand! 300 thousand!?"
Lag.
Randy Butternubs remember when we were all going to die in 2012? Well it’s 2020 now and it’s finally happening.
S_o_n_i_c same
3 million
i want an army of didgeridoos
Imagine flying the arrows straight ahead.
To make it rain arrows is " one " method.
To send them at human height is another.
With rocket power , i speculate every one of those targets would have an arrow in them.
Few weapons have names so appropriate to scream while using them.
HWATCHAAAAAA!
Or to scream while running away.
SenMysrana no. Three reasons.
1. If you got a Hwacha at that time, no reason to run away unless you face a dragon. A surrounded korean force of some regular army+monks+civilian resistance force which formed 4K destroyed 30K Japanese regular army highly armed with muskets and calvary in battle of 행주. Truly a devastating firepower.
2. You literally cannot run away with Hwacha. It is a horse-pulled (or hand-pulled) artillery cart. You'd better dump it away and then run on your feet. It is not an SPG. So, no engine of course. Even WW2 artillery crews dumped their weapon when they ran away. And horses are slower and weaker than half-track trucks of 20th century.
3. Hwacha takes you less time reloading than to run away. You reload Hwacha like modern assault rifles. Ran out of ammo? Just insert new mag module.
There are many kinds of magazine modules for Hwacha including 200 rocket arrow pack, 50 exploding rocket arrow pack, 50 to 200 shot machinegun pack with shotshells or pin stabilized steel rods, and assault pack with MG+spears+shield modules .etc
If you got enough time to run away from zombies, an assault rifle, and extra magazines on your hands, you reload that damn thing instead of running away. That is more time-efficient.
Hwatchouttttt
@@곰돌슨 PANZERKAMPFWAGEN VI AUFSTRUNG B (10.5cm Kw.K)
>"When it comes to recruiting foam people, they're not that bright."
I dunno that they're that stupid. I mean, I certainly wouldn't call them dense.
The foam people where outstanding in their field.
It isn’t fair to take them lightly
They can't be stupid if they knew where it was safe to stand.
@@1Maklak they must’ve been light on their toes
"Now to see if they launch together to devastate Grant's Grunts."
I would have called them Grant's Privates.
Rest in peace, Grant Imahara
His knowledge will not be forgotten....
Some people's favorite clip is the exploding cement tank, which is a damn cool sight. But for me, watching two hundred arrows flying from a canon has a thrill that can never be duplicated.
sagesaria these are not arrows ...
Not just arrows. Giant bottle rockets with arrowheads
except by hitting "replay" : p
Fun fact: They had specially made "bullets" for these too, where, instead of 100 arrows, they could load upto 200. Love the Hwacha. Also had 3 configurations for it too. Really good ingenuity.
Shoulda lit one to see where they should put the army.
Might have, but it happened to be one that fell short.
yeah I was thinking they should do that too when I saw it on tv
not one of them could manage the algebra to calculate the angle... sigh...
Or how much the wind would affect them
You do realize these are arrows, not metal rockets, right? The atmosphere and constantly changing weather plays much bigger role than your one test rocket. They aren't that stupid, they 100% already did what you said, but it just does not work like that. Ask any professional archer.
The simulation of this battle myth was totally accurate.
TABS allusion
Thats' true
you, i like you
i see what you did there
I see what you did :)
So the Koreans invented the first arrow machine gun.
well, not a gun but world's first MRLs
I don't remember my name
yeah i proud about that!!
Well, check out the nest of bees too.
Actually the world's 1st MRLs is made by the Chinese as explained in the Wujing Zongyao, 400 years before the hwacha was made.
the first MRLS is hwacha in 1448.china's 多發火箭 is not a MRLS it similar than portable artillery
This is one of the moments high lights from the Mythbusters!
I used to be a samurai like you, then I took a rocket propelled arrow in the knee.
Lol
Korean did used this weapon effectively but it wasn't their favorite because it consumed too much black powder. We preferred more cannon, muskets and arrows. FUN FACT: Koreans fought against the Russians on 15 C as a reinforcement for the Chinese Campaign. While Russians formed line to fire volley, Korean didn't know such thing so they just hide and sniped the Russians. Korean won.
Don't judge the value of one specific country with your superficial view! Shame on you
It is what ネット右翼 like you imagines, not reality. And I heard that the people are considered to be shame in even Japan.
Why don't you get rid of your prejudice and live your own life?
haha why do you think that it makes no sense? I'm telling you the truth.
I'm half American. you're teaching English to the native?
The English that I've used and the content in the writing are all correct. If you can't believe it, why don't you search ネット右翼 on Google? It may tell how normal people actually think about ネット右翼 like you.
Hwacha was lightweight, easy to carry around, load, and concentrate fire.
Arrows exploded around impact, with 30cm (one-foot) blast radius.
The only downside five hundred years ago was, it consumed ten times more gunpowder than firing a dozen canons. Since gunpowder production was limited in the middle ages, canons became the economic choice when war dragged on between Korea and Japan.
Hwacha Doin??
Get it? Hwacha?
*steps back into the darkness*
I see Hwacha doin'
Hwach[a] up?
박지원 Me thinks you replied to the wrong comment.
modetallah Oops. Sorry about that.
(slow clap)
SarchoticAztecs GET OUT!!!
Pretty impressive! Koreans clearly had a good understanding of force multipliers back in the day. That thing could be operated by 2-3 men and could kill 20-100 enemies. I imagine it was expensive to operate though, it'd probably have the maintenance cost of a F-16 in modern times.
***** 100 archers takes 100 men. You can make this, send it to an area where you can't afford to post 10 companies of infantry 24/7, and you a have a temporary archer battery at your disposal that a couple of guys with a torch could operate.
***** Pulling a wooden bow that has the tension to fire an arrow 100m cannot be done by babies and small children. A good bow requires a strong set of arms. I'm assuming that's hyberbole, but let's get that clear before you start using that in every post. Logistics and everything else aside, the point of the Hwacha is once it is made and delivered to an outpost, 1-2 men can simulate the volley of 100. The reason that's important is because sometimes you need those 100 men elsewhere, but still want your forts and etc to be defensible so your bordering nations don't get any wise ideas.
It was more of a carpet-bombing weapon than a precision weapon. Accuracy wasn’t a concern
ykOni Congrats! You get this golden star that officially states you as an idiot!!
Korea had a lot of money as it had plenty of trade with China and Japan. However in most wars against China, Mongols and Japan it was severely outnumbered. Korea almost always fought against nations far more populous than it so they needed force multipliers.
Admiral Yi Sun-Sin was a technological and tactical genius and a total badass. Between this weapon, the Turtle ship, and his sheer bravery, he helped make Korea able to stand their ground in the late 16th century. A hero to his people even today.
What? The Hwacha was invented near 200 years before Yi, and Yi had actual cannons by his point.
Fuck
Yeah.
16th century-17th century was the darkest times in Joeson history. Japanese invasion, famine, Jurchen invasion. War after war horrible times.
I got a feeling... somebody's Hwachaing me.... and I got no privacy...
hwachaing=watching
Totally accurate battle simulator brought me here.
yep
Same x 2
Same
same
6:15 "and now, WEED"
RIP Grant, great guy sorely missed....
Who else is watching this right now wishing Grant was still here?
Charging: "HOLY WAR!!!!"
Sees the hwacha: "HOLY SHIT!!!"
I miss Grant I loved that dude as a kid. Love to see the three of these folks together, must have been a blast during that time in their lives.
I love how the 3 hosts are behind a safety glass but the camera crew is out in the open :)
It’s a stationary camera dumbass
Damn you dumb
Man... That must've been *hell on Earth* to do and set up.
Respect.
Not everyone is a lazy piece of shit. That looked fine, time consuming but fine.
+Endseeker No need to be a nasty little shit.
+Phoenix Issa what? Can't handle a random comment from someone you don't even know?
ENDSEEKER No you just like to carry an air of superiority to you when it really just makes you look like a snob.
They were NUTS to drop Tori, Kari and Grant from the show, they were half the reason to watch it!
+Andrew Tornadoboy they didnt drop them where did you here that??
Sean Bush An official announcement that was on the news
+Andrew Tornadoboy they dropped them because it's their last season, mythbusters is officially over.
***** They dropped them 2 seasons ago
+Andrew Tornadoboy , damn just shows I have not seen the last seasons
I love how the comment are full of Jacksepticeye and TABS.
Anyone rewatching just for Grant moments?
yes for granted
Yes, for Grant, and Kary
:(
Yes
I don't think it was to do with how many you killed. But as you said, it would have been absolutely terrifying, and it's possible that only really disciplined troops could have held their ground.
A similar thing happened in Agincourt: Not many french knights were killed by the arrows, but were trampled over by their horses and fellow knights as they tripped under the barrage, or tried to escape wearing heavy armour in the thick mud. The survivors simply ran/rode away.
@wraith444 Hwachas were definitely more effective in some ways than archers because of their long range (over 500 yards), precision (MythBusters proved that other than a dozen arrows, almost all 200 arrows gathered in one area), large number of missiles(100-200), destructive power (some blew up on target), and especially the scaring factor. And during those times, armies marched in clumped units so 200 explosive arrows would cause massive damage.
Hwacha was the exact same idea as a MRL, its supposed to cause not so much damage, but cause humongous fear amongst enemies. The individual arrows/rockets are called Shin Gi Jeons, and the stuff that goes onto hwachas are small ones. The big ones are supposed to be fired like a modern day anti tank missile. The biggest one flew for about a 1km, and there was a medium-big one that exploded twice. awesome technology.
Too bad these were a bit expensive :(
RIP Grant Imahara
Hwacha doing later?
Going out to launch.
(slow clap)
Rest in peace grant you will forever be in my thoughts and prayers thank you for getting me through my childhood actually teaching me some thing instead of all the poison that is taught to kids nowadays
This is my favorite mythbusters moment.
one of my favorite episodes of mythbusters
Well, would you look at this. Not a music composition, not a cover, and yet people talk about TABS in the comments section. You did it, Jack. You changed the world.
I see nobody but you mentioning tabs
@@tsm688 it was a different comment section 6 years ago...
@@mac1991seth and people haven't known what you mean for 6 years. Was it spam or meme or what
@@tsm688 I'm sorry, is this a like shaming you're doing? People in the comments were making Totally Accurate Battle Simulator references in the comments. TABS.
@@mac1991seth it's an asking what the hell that is since I see no one else mentioning it. Now i know.
The earliest example of a multiple rocket launcher!
The BM-21 GRAD's GRADdad??
Aaand another awesome thing to add to the Big List of Things Never To Get Hit With. The accuracy(!!) is surprising.
The grouping of arrows demostrates that it is clearly aimable.
맞다 이거 tabs에 나왔었지
자랑스러운 우리나라
Fun fact : Monks usually made black powder and Hwacha because it was dangerous job and it took a man of faith.
last second: "and now, weed..."
Gunny burrowed this for the Rocket Launcher episode of Lock N Load today this system is called the MMDS which is a truck that shoots missiles out of 47 launch tubes.
REALISTIC TOTALLY ACCURATE BATTLE SIMULATOR!!!
that same Hwacha was used in Lock N Load with R Lee Ermey by History Channel
Yup. Watch the "Lock and Load - Rockets" episode. The left wheel gives it away.
i analyse stuff so well x.x
The way they tested and judged this was completely wrong. Weapons like this are for large area bombardment of areas saturated with enemy troops. You don't target an individual squad or whatever, you just target an area where there are so many troops that no matter where it lands, someone is going to be in the blast radius. That was the nature of warfare in the era this was from, massed formations of thousands of people tightly packed.
Yeah, that's pretty much what they said in the end.
It was actually in the Chinese analyses that I heard in a guest lecture at my university. Huoche was literally a rapidly deployable proto-machine gun meant to halt/demoralize infantry advances, while Hwacha was a proto-artillery meant as a siege weapon against advancing heavy infantry (didn't work so well against loose formation of... say Jurchen cavalry).
Look, just because M4 and a Howitzer both have gun barrels and use propellants doesn't mean they're basically the same weapon either.
This is korean ancient weapon. not china....
That's what they said.
Didn't the Koreans reverse engineer Han rocket designs though?
how long as korea been an independant country and not a provice?
pretty sure it was a vessel state of mongolia in the time thia weapon would have been around. korea as an independant location wad lìke 600-700AD but has been taken and part of other countries territory for most the time since and only been its own for 200 years so i dont think you can claim much of korean heritage and history
@@Goodywloss2010 i dont think so, we've never been taken part of other country until japan took over on ww2 only 35years. in fact korea was the only country in east aisa which was not colonized by mongolia (except japan which was an island)
I enjoyed the test, but I never knew why this was considered a "myth" in the first place. It's like saying elephants are a myth because nobody uses war elephants anymore.
Rest in peace, Grant. ;_;7
Also, it is said that Korea developed the world's first airship to fly in 1592 (with two people). Many bombs and stones were dropped and many samurai died.
yeah, imagine 50-100 of these launchers against a army of 50,000-100,000, would be a massacre and the idea of so many arrows flying all at once and the explosions, the enemy would be fleeing from the battlefield. would also be a great seige weapon.
I miss you Grant... RIP
3:34 The cameraman is outside of the blast shield.
+homerun443 The "cameraman" is probably a tripod.
Stop fighting
RIP Grant you were amazing
Why do they need to add those fake explosion and shot sounds to their footage?
MICHEAL BAY
Quobbleplays Because they need to compensate for their internal sadness
Huoche and hwacha are completely different weapon, despite looking very similar. Huoche, with its single wheel, allowed for great mobility but extremely inaccurate and limited range - aka, it was a close-range weapon meant to move around while firing.
Hwacha, with its two wheel & support structures, reduced mobility but greatly increased accuracy and range - a long-range weapon meant to be stationary during combat.
why is this considered a myth?
it's an actual weapon that was used..
just because it isn't western/european doesn't mean it's a fairy tale
Eurocentrics be goddamn stupid.
YIC Kari: If there's a picture of it we know it exists.
Tory: We know it exists. We're testing the legend of it. Whether or not it could do what they say it could do.
They have tested plenty of American and/or European legends in exactly the same way. Off the top of my head I'm thinking of the steam powered cannon of the Civil War (in America). I don't see anything "Eurocentric" about it.
YIC most medieval weapons are poorly documented, western or otherwise. While we know they existed, it is hard to tell how well they worked.
Do not read into in what is not there. I remember them testing a Trebuchet for instance.
The myth being tested wasn't if the weapon existed. but if the weapon was practical and effective.
China is one of the oldest provinces in existance, stretching back just as far as most Ancient civilizations, the thing is that while we know a lot of weapons came out of China (The Whacha and the Moving Castle) we don't know if they were effective or not so tests like these are very awesome.
Should also be noted that not a lot of documents exist of china before 800 AD, considering a book called "The Romance of The Three Kingdom's" is considered to be historically accurate(mostly.) despite the fact that there is plenty of Myth and Legend in it(but that's to be expected of a Romatization of historical events)
it's a Singijeon(Singijeon, 신기전, 神機箭)
'Whacha' comes in various forms.
First, Gun type.
it's a Multi-length small caliber cannon. like a claymore
Second, Rocket type
In Korea, there were 소신기전, 중신기전, 대신기전.
- 소신기전 小神機箭 So Sin Gi Jeon (Small Singijeon)
- 중신기전 中神機箭 Jung Sin Gi Jeon (Middle class Singijeon)
- 대신기전 大神機箭 Dae Sin Gi Jeon (Big class Singijeon)
Singijeon is a multiple rocket launcher.
The Jung-SinGiJeon is a multiple rocket with an explosive warhead at the tip of an arrow.
Dae Singijeon is a land-to-ground rocket.
There was 산화신기전 (SanHwa SinGiJeon/散火神機箭) as a higher grade than Dae Singijeon.
It is the world's first two-stage rocket, multiple warhead rocket.
They look down on So Singijeon, but cross-fire at a crowded enemy can inflict considerable collateral damage.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singijeon
They were effective in war, but the effect on morale was much greater. Imagine marching towards enemy lines and then you see huge plumes of smoke and fire rising, accompanied by a deafening hissing and roaring. And that's before hundreds of arrows start raining down on you and your formation.
It would take a really disciplined army not to run away when faced with a few of these. And the effect on horses would've been even greater, since they panic easily.
"Hey guys hwacha watching?"
"Just something about hwacha."
tabs anyone?
Yaya
after this episode they took it to Rocket Fest in Bishop and John Van Owen bought it and it was used on Lock n' Load for the Rockets episode
The B-team was such a huge part of the show...I truly hope Grant, Kari, and Tori are happy in their new endeavors. Ever notice you can tell what kind of science someone is interested in by the order they put the names of the B-team in?
They have one of these in the war museum in Seoul, South Korea.
The Koreans invented the MLRS before the Americans. Who would have thought.
You can only imagine what a hole bunch of Hwachas in massed formation would do to a charging regiment of guys.
I sincerely doubt this would be effective at killing a large number of people. However, a weapon's effectiveness isn't tied solely to its ability to kill. WW1 tanks were horrible at everything they did. Moving, firing. But the shock value was plenty to make soldiers break and route. You go back hundreds of years and your army is ready to do battle, and suddenly, the enemy has figured out how to *shoot fire* at you from a distance..most infantry would break. Because these also aren't professional soldiers. The vast majority would be peasants drafted to fight with whatever they had with them. Destroying their morale wouldn't just be as effective as killing them, it might be *more* so. Because the survivors will run back to their homes and spread news of this new, terrifying weapon. Which means less people to fight you.
It is a matter of thinning large armies in the same way the british longbowmen were used for. Noone questions the efficacy of the longbowmen, this is merely a mechanical version that fires 200 exploding arrows but not nearly as far. Anything that is sharp that can fly 500m is definitely lethal, with added bonus of explosives.
Imagine yourself as an enemy soldier marching towards a Korean army in 1600s.
The Koreans then suddenly fire pillars of smoke from their carts flying towards your formations and kill a bunch of people long before your army can do anything. Now that's going to be very scary for a person who rarely saw a cannon in the battlefield. so i guess the hwacha would be quite effective in 'winning' the battle, although not specifically 'killing'
***** Yes, and I am a Korean myself so I say with confident that that is true, but you should not forget the role of the people, the actual people who fought the Japanese, NOT the government. It was not an orchestrated uprising by the Korean government at the time. It was purely by the locals. This meant that even thought the Korean government was almost heated on death, the Japanese could not focus on them. With the Ming reinforcement, they were driven off. Also, you should never forget the fact that admiral Yi Sun Shin managed to annihilate the Japanese navy every time he went to battle, and cut the Japanese army's supply line completely. No food, enemy everywhere. The only option they had was: GTFO
In the beginning that was true but in the autumn of 1918 the British mark V tanks and the French SV-17 were very effective.
Also their rapidfire is the most effective way. Usually archers also shot arrows in volleys. It will lead troops to hesitate and could lead them stumbling over each other.
He builds it to sit at about 50 degrees, but then they prop it up on blocks so it's more like 35 degrees!
I think material of arrows used in the video is not fitting for demonstration.... Should've used woods with better quality since arrows on the vid seemed to be broken already at firing - burning arrow it self... They should've used slightly shorter arrows pretty much like crossbow bolt to increase range and penetration.
Also, targets used in the video is not really fitting for the weapon's purpose. The weapon is designed like detonating claymore in sky. - hitting well gathered army in huge number. therefore fitting target for this weapon should be like few hundred watermelon gathered in area.
They didn't know where it would land. So spacing larger targets gets a bigger chance of hitting something.
This is amazing and lots of fun. Keep making this kind videos my friend.
Lol just came when he mention what hwatcha myth busters
Same
Lol same
Apparently other things aside from arrows were in the tubes such as glass to be used as shrapnel.
1. 조준을 제대로 못함
2. 한대밖에 사용안함
3. 중신기전으로 안해봄
그리고 안전 상의 이유로 화약을 일부러 적게 넣었죠. 방송에서도 제대로 화약 넣었으면 작살 났을거라고 합니다.
The original hwacha actually appeared in 1409 as an organ gun. This rocket-firing type was developed in 1450-1451.
have this in a zombie apocolypes.
Good luck reloading the fucker
Good luck spelling it
And good luck killing a zombie by sticking an arrow into it arms
That's EXPLODING arrow, thank you very much.
good luck setting up a HWACHA nearby.
seems realistic to use only if there is like 100 backup hwachas...or if they are easily re-loadable
gotta love how Kari, Tory and Grant are hiding behind the bulletproof glass while the camera and sound guys are standing out in the open without protection.
RIP Grant
Yeah! yeah! Yeah! That reminded me that the US had huge batteries of these weapons on ships in the South Pacific. They were basically rocket propelled grenades though... I had forgotten about that...
"HWACHAAAAAAAAAA!"
"Your army is attacking! Run Grant!!!!"
Chines hwacha = wooden tanket (similar to Yan Hus's)
Korean hwacha = MLRS
stop argue. they have same name, but totally different
You can see that they used part of the gunpowder engine for the kart, one wheel has all the little waterwheel things that held the gunpowder
Korea's old weapon.
Merces Letifer South Korea sure have shitty weaponry, no wonder they asking America for backup.
***** More like America has alien technology. On the global scale, South Korea's weapons are quite the state of art.
fmagistel South Korean weaponry can't be state of art when they still use Hwacha.
And Amerika doesn't have alien technology, they are too busy fucking themselves to bother inventing such.
Those things flying in the sky, the UFO are just aliens fucking around and being too much of a pussy to show their faces.
And you must be from the 20th century. Please, show me at least one Korean military branch or unit that still uses Hwacha.
***** You do aware of the "M142"s designs are very similar to Hwancha right? Thats why Merces Letifer said "*current Weaponry"
Now I feel like playing company of heroes again and spamming those nebelwerfers.
Who else searched for this after jack told us? X3
Meh X3
Don't ya just love that the captions (both on UA-cam and in the original Discovery Channel broadcast) referred to the Hwacha as "Watch out"
I mean, it's a misspelling, but...It's still good advice.
This guys used it wrong it worked well the enemy is chagrining at you. During the Imjin war it work very well against Samurai's. The Koreans killed many of them in land battles.
Clee4000 eh, they were used both from short range and long range, sources refer to them being used at 100 meters but also mentioned them being used on Panokseons during naval battle and fired at great distances from a moving vessel. So most likley they were a versatile weapon platform.
Mizzuru
they also used them against Japan in the Imjin war in land battles.
+Clee4000 They are essentially a unit of archers in one artillery platform. You could use them pretty much anywhere you could use archers, save it had longer range and better space efficiency at the cost of reload speed.
+Mizzuru Those ones were shot singly.
These guys were using it wrong because they were firing at polystyrene cut outs, not real ancient Oriental soldiers.
Grant will be missed. By the way, Ghost of Tsushima.
Good ol' GoT. Used a weapon over 200 years before it was invented, by a culture that never fought in Japan, fired faster than a modern missile system, against ships that weren't used, by a guy with a 19th century name, wielding a 16th century weapon, in a 12th century setting.
Its a good game, but my god its historical accuracy is hilarious considering the claimed but actually non-existant Kurosawa influence, since Kurosawa films were extensively researched.
Multiple Launch Rocket System of Korea
Past: Hwacha
Now: K-239 MLRS (South Korea Only)
Koreans are cool. ;3
Koreeaboo
Of course!
「神の兵」 uh thanks😁
Japan #1
Also japan😁
(2nd reply) Maybe the reason they did 50 degrees was because the rocket pod doesn't have a tight fit around the rocket which makes it unstable when it launches from the barrel.
kia~~ jumo
also the standard for formations back then was packing soilders into solid shapes (rectangles,triangles, ETC) even archers were packed like this to allow a more dense volley. firing this on a pack like that even 1. would probaly DEVISTATE any army all the while supressing and demoralizing them.
Who else here because they were curious from civ 5
RIP Grant
HAHA they missed all 200 of them!
Because they didn't know how to aim it. The fault is with them, not the weapon.
that was the point of my post. After all that work they miss every single one.
+Bk Jeong "They"