BEWARE - Lift Keys or Cranking your front end
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This truck started out with a Lift Key & Shock Extender style leveling kit to achieve level stance but as you can see very easy how the suspension was riding locked out and the ride was VERY rough. Raising the front of a Chevy/GMC is not a bad thing if you stay with in the GREEN ZONE to allow suspension movement.
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Easy fix! Buy aftermarket upper comtrol arms! Cognito control arms will fix the problem. Anybody who knows anything about leveling kits or lift kits know this!
You are correct with the fix but unfortunately, way too many people still don't know or at least take it to shops that don't know.
I had the same issue, I cut out the stops and rewelded new ones at the full extension of my shocks. I also ended up having to do a ball joint flip and put 1/4" wheel spacers to provide clearance.
I've ordered this leveling kit from you guys. Can't wait to get it installed and see how it rides.
Where is the follow up video?
When you lift a truck you cannot be cheap you got to spend the money
Beware of leveling kits for 2017-2018 GM HD trucks, it will change front axle angles and causes cv joint vibrations in some trucks. A quality lift that actually lowers the front differential works best, keeps axle angle in specification. My son has a 2017 with a 5" lift and no vibration. I used after market torsion key leveling kit. Had to remove it and put my 2017 Duramax 2500 hd back close to factory height to get rid of vibration. And yes that vibration will create heat issues in the cv joints, causing premature failure. Took a few weeks to figure out the problem, with a very helpful GM dealership, but I can now stand to drive this truck again.
I will agree on the benefits of a full lift kit if you are looking for the higher side of 3-4" range. If all you are looking for is a simple 2-3" then a good upper arm that creates more droop travel will work well and not put the CV's in a binding working angle.
After reviewing all the offset and tire upsize calculators I could find It was determined that a 2004 suburban 2500 4x4 would accommodate up to a 33" tire. Using AR910 rims 20x9 w/18mm offset, I bit the bullet and put Michelin ltx at2 285/55 r 20 on my Burban. Good looks on the rear, but it rubs on the front. More so on right turns. My local garage (installer) is gonna try a torsion level attempt this weekend. I'm trying to avoid trimming any bumper valance attempting to maintain all oem looks aside from the tire/wheel upgrade. Leveling wasn't desired but rubbing certainly isn't. Your thoughts appreciated.
If you are going to bring the front up a little bit I would do the Cognito UCA's. I had built my wife a 2007 Burb 2500 and we did the Cognito UCA's and leveled it with a 1" rear block and it rode great and looked awesome. We ran a 33x11 tire also.
Nick.V70 what size tires did you have on it? Did you have to do any trimming aftwards?
Nick.V70 also, im looking at the cognito stage 2. But heres the deal, if installing this equipment will not eliminate the rub issue and im gonna have to trim, then why buy it aside from asthetics? I read the factory travel issues and how thats corrected by the upgrade, but my current ride is good. So is it money well spent and corrects rub or is it something im gonna have to do regardless?
Also, cognito states the oem shocks must be used in this application.
Here is that video I talked about: ua-cam.com/video/UyfyfYySm7k/v-deo.html
Yes it had a shock spacer, the control arm should not stop on the frame.
I bought a 6 inch Rough Country lift kit for my 02 Yukon XL and had the same problem .!!!!!!!!!
Ethan Bible well no shit 😂 thats 6 inches thats too tall
how did you fix the problem?
T-bar cranking band-aids. If you crank more than about an 1-1/2" just buy a proper lift.
I wish you had a before and after video on this
Watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/J_1qKM-aMmc/v-deo.html
some people hack lifts and then there are those that lift it right and can afford to fix problems from the lift and will do it right
I wouldn't recommend going with the upper ball joint that cognito provides with the ucas they will snap after 8 months it will fuck up your wheel and brake lines and uca along with it!
+Miguel Tovar failures are not common like you are saying but they can happen. I have seen a ball joint over exceed the working angle and fail so if you had a failure I would see if it was a result of another issue, I don't know, just helping with what I have seen over the years and number of these I have installed. You may want to get in contact with the installer you purchased the product from or Cognito directly and I am sure they can help with the product issue. Good luck and sorry to hear.
This truck HAS to have shock extenders as there is no way to get it to drop out that much as the shocks will bottom out way before the control arms will!
Good job having people spend a extra 100$ JUST BUY SHOCK EXTENDERS!!!! When you buy torsion keys just buy shock extenders also... The might already come with them
Maybe you missed it, that this truck had a key and shock extender kit installed. A shock extender will not fix the upper control arm contacting the frame. You either need to lower the truck but then you will not have the leveled stance you are after or you can look into the product that was shown to fix the problem.
+Nick & Nick Channel Just put a leveling kit on mine . I did not change the control arm nor did I put new shocks or shock extenders . The front bounces like ball will changing these parts take the bounce out ?
Correct, a good shock will offer better control of the suspension and the Cognito UCA's will allow the suspension to move rather than run out of stroke on the downwards movement like in this video. Watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/J_1qKM-aMmc/v-deo.html
I really like the Fox Performance Series shocks personally, that is what I run on my Chevy HD.
Shock extenders will improve the ride back to factory spec. Riding on a extended shock feels more rough and firm.
i put a 3" motofab leveling kit on my 2011, 1500 silverado any my upper control arm is doing the same thing. can I also do the same thing to fix it?
I bought my truck with lift keys. Could I simply turn them down to restore factory ride height or do I need to find some stock keys? To clarify, I don't want my truck lifted. I have other lifted trucks for off-road. This one is my daily driver.
Zac you can. Jack the front up and take the weight off before turning them down. DON'T USE A IMPACT
@@wildestcowboy2668 I turned em down without jacking it up. I went down a few extra then back up a few to give it even tension. Rides so much better. Replaced shocks and control arms too. Rides like new!
@@zacharygreen265 can I do my 1995 2500 like that also?
@@wildestcowboy2668 yes
What/kit parts etc would you recommend for a 2010 ford ranger 4x4 for a 3-4 inch lift?
I've been looking at the Rough Country lift which is 5 inches, but they claim it works with the stability control on that truck.
2001-2010 Years should have at least 5/8" minimal with the Cognito tubular UCA.
I just had a leveling kit installed but I think they may have cranked my suspension, it's not quite sitting on that other piece but there's only 1/8 inch gap, I'm more worried about teasing my truck up than the ride, any help would be appreciated
Joshua Salinas if it only has 1/8 ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ then it’s over cranked and will ride firm, if it’s not hitting the frame service perch at 1/8 gap then that means more than likely the shock is holding it from dropping any further, if so then you are maxed out all together and will more than likely blow the shock. Sorry to hear you’re facing this issue after spending money.
Thanks for the camera shot...just bought a 2016 and my upper control arm was locked against the snubber...backed it off 6 turns..
Day and night difference..do you think my control arm bushing or upper ball joints are screwed????...23k miles...not sure how long it was like this....no bulging bushings or ball joint clunks
I would for sure check the ball joints and or the steering joints to know how she is currently. You can watch this video on how I suggest how to check them. ---> ua-cam.com/video/OyuILDkZ25s/v-deo.html
@@NickV70 thanks
Do a real lift to keep everything in proper geometry and the ride nice or leave the front stock and drop the rear to match it.
Do you have a product for my 2004 silverado
NorCalTruck does. Contact them and they can help you out.
@@NickV70 thanks
What about lowering by changing the torsion keys is the only downside a rough ride?
What should the proper distance be between the cognito uppers and the stop? I have them on my 2500 Suburban.
I have a '13 lml. Levelled, not sure what size keys are in it. with some sky jacker shocks. looking to turn my keys up some more. how can I tell when to stop?
Is their front spacers that can fix that
Their isn’t.
There might be.
im having the same problem with my 06 sierra z71 (gas) i got a rough country leveling kit what would be the exact parts i would need to get for it not to be hitting like on this trucks video?
+Armando Munoz Yeah this is the same issue, best thing to do is contact either Cognito Motorsports directly or NorCalTruck and they can set you up with the right parts to fix you up.
do you know the owner of protrucksplus because i saw a photo of your truck infront of there shop. and if so how far away are you from them because i will be there next week
Hey Nick I have a 2005 2500HD 2wd. I was gonna buy a 2.5" leveling kit that comes with re indexed keys and shock extenders. Would I need this upper control arm for my year of truck also? Also, when I install my 2.5" leveling kit, do I have to adjust the keys to the original spec that the factory ones were set at to achieve good ride quality? Thanks
On a 2005 2500HD I would probably go ahead and install a set of torsion lift keys. The reason is that most older HD's will have more miles on them and the torsion bars will settle and you will need that extra adjustment. Just keep in mind that the main issue here is that you want to adjust the ride height as high as you want as long as you maintain the proper droop travel. I suggest that you maintain at least a 2" droop travel at ride height. You check this by measuring from the top of the tire to the fender while the suspension is hanging and once on the ground you adjust the torsion bar keys until you meet that 2" difference from your first droop measurement.
will putting a new upper control arm by cognito on my 02 gmc sierra 1500HD do the same thing because i feel like my truck is riding the same as this truck
+reagun22 Yes, the 01-10 HD is alittle different but the Cognito UCA's will also achieve the same results in fixing the droop travel issue.
You didn't show an after video!
Cut those top bump stops and be done😅
I bought a '05 Silverado a few months back, I'm guessing the person who had it before me did something similar to it. It looks like there are blocks on the rear axle (2inch aprox) and it almost looks like the front sits slightly higher than the rear. The truck rides really rough, how do I go about figuring out what to do to get my ride quality back?
You could buy some longer after market shocks for the front. Not sure but I think the rear end comes stock with blocks.
@@familyjewels7 no it doesnt come stock with blocks. That would cause a lot of lawsuits
With the uca from cognito ... How much better will the ride get because I like the stance I have on my truck just not the ride and if I do invest in those swing arms how much better will the ride
+reagun22 I have had many truck owners state that it rides better than stock. If you are already leveled you will want to be careful with the ride height setting so you have the best results, just follow the instructions and you will be happy with the investment!
I'm hearing the same noise in my RC 7.5" lift. was that the Upper control arm hitting the stop? it almost sounded like the noise was hitting during the compression stroke.
Yes the UCA was hitting the service pad, actually resting on it at ride height. This could be an issue on a lifted truck also if the bars are cranked up too high.
i had a 2-3" leveling kit installed on my 89 k2500 a block in rear and torsion keys that are set to max but the front is not coming up to match the rear. Do i also need shock extenders ? i noticed some other kits came with these?
On an '89 I really couldn't say for sure, you can easily check tho by jacking up the truck and letting the suspension hang and seeing what is limiting the droop first.
If I put in a 2" level kit with torsion keys should I replace the front shocks with shocks for a 2'' lift?
Yes, always a good idea to upgrade the shocks.
Hey Nick, I just purchased a GMC 2500 HD. The dealer ship installed Southern Truck leveling kit that just included keys. I have about 1/2 between the lower side of the upper A arm and the frame stop. Wagon trailer is now what I have for a ride. I am experiencing the same clanking sound as noted in this video. With this kit can I keep the keys I have? With this kit did the owner still have occasional a arm clanking noise. The picture clearance with the cognito Upper arms was not that impressive. Does the new fox shocks give the suspension enough lift and stiffness to avoid the clanking and improve overall ride quality.
Over all on any 2011+ HD set up, stock, leveled or lifted you want to maintain at least 2" of droop travel, as you can see this truck had nothing close to that. With the UCA's added on yes you can use your keys and adjust to proper height and maintain the 2" of droop that is needed. Watch this video, has a better view of what the package will look like on the same style truck.... LINK: ua-cam.com/video/J_1qKM-aMmc/v-deo.html
What kind of wheels are these?
so If I would like to raise the front of my 2016 2500hd 3/4 to an inch would I be ok in doing that? would it screw up my ride quality?
I would suggest to only go as high as long as you maintain 2" of droop travel. An easy way to do this is to jack up your truck with a floor jack and take a measurement, then adjust your torsion bars up to the measurement of 2" less the full droop travel.
Do you guys have any suggestions for aftermarket control arms for a 2003 ford ranger fx4? I added a torsion key lift. And have seen a problem like this. I need help. I have had no luck with finding quality control arms that are made for a 2-3 inch lift.
Unfortunately I do not have a suggest. I have never done research on rangers.
well if you find out anything at all, please contact me.
hey if i buy a cognate uca kit do i need to buy the keys that go with it or can i use stock ones? i would assume i will need aftermarket keys too because the stock ones will be maxed out. thanks
In most cases, the stock keys can and have worked to gain the height needed while staying within the suggested ride height for best suspension travel. But it wouldn't be a bad option to purchase a set of keys also if you wanted to have full adjustability.
would shock extenders help at all?
+cole smith This truck had shock extenders, the UCA travel is the issue.
Do strut spacers cause the same issues?
Yes, they can. Adding a strut spacer increases ride height by pushing the strut down, pushing the truck up. But if the strut spacer over stretches the suspension travel you will also get a binding issue that leads to crappy ride and premature wearing out front end parts.
would you have an application for a Dodge Dakota 2002 4wd?
+KSHI GM Sorry they do not have that application.
Supreme suspension has stuff for Dakotas.
how much lift is on this truck?
+Michael McCarty It has a Cognito leveling kit.
Does the leveling kit will affect the ride?
If set at the correct ride height, no.
He’s not happy because he completely fucked it up
i got the same problem on my truck its a 1998 chevy 1500 4x4 with a rough country 6 in lifted with a torison lift do you all sell the upper control arm for my year
Nothing that I know of for a 1998 unfortunately.
Im about to attempt installing a 3 inch coil spacer, do you think i need this control arm?
I take it you are talking about a 1500 GM? Yes anytime you raise up the factory ride height you will gain a better ride with these UCA's on a GM 1500 or 2500/3500 truck
Why couldn’t they just sell these trucks level from the factory? Fuck it pisses me off
Would make it nice but then you would have a handful of people complain that the truck sags with weight added in the bed or trailer etc.
you didnt show your arm installed and working!! why???? just sayin
Unfortunately, I no longer produce videos for that online store. But you can view this video that can help you with what you are looking for. ---> ua-cam.com/video/J_1qKM-aMmc/v-deo.html
@NickV.Media
I heard of someone leveling their truck with 6 turns to the keys. Would that cause this same problem? I have an 08 crew cab, no 4X4. What would be the easiest way to level it safely?
The first thing to note, 2wd and 4wd are the exact same minus the front CV shafts and diff.
Second, there is not an exactly determined amount of height gained by 1 turn so I have never gone off turns. The suggestion I will give you is based off droop travel. You want to maintain 2" of droop travel.
-You can simply jack your truck up and allow the suspension to drop out, measure from the top of the tire to the fender. Lower the truck back on the ground and move it back and forward to allow the suspension to settle. Now measure from the top of the tire to the fender. You want to have no less than a 2" difference between both measurements.
-Let's say you have 3", then you can raise the truck up another inch. If you had 1.25" difference then you want to lower the truck by .75" to get that 2" target.
-The reason I go after 2" of droop is that will allow the suspension to travel before it tops out. Less than 2" is when you start to get a harsh ride and also will quickly wear out parts on the front end.
Let me know what you think and if that helps you.
Thanks!
@@NickV70 Absolutely helped man thank you. I'll be doing that today. I'm really going through a process of elimination with this in basically trying to find the simplest way to achieve the stance I want. I'm going to be installing some 22X12 -40's with street tires. And don't have any idea how I'll feel about the stance if I just match the front height to the rear VS matching the rear height to the front. I'm going to have to try and see. At this point I'm debating whether I should drop the rear with drop shackles or lift the front. Trying to decide, do it once and not have to mess with it again.
@@NickV70 Also I mentioned that the truck isn't 4X4 because its lower in the front than 4X4 trucks.
You are welcome... I'd do this to the front and then once you've finalized the front you can then figure out the rear if you want to use a drop shackle to get the truck dialed.
I understand how the 4wd and 2wd start off at a different stance but also the 4wd's come at different stances off the showroom floor but overall the suspension and chassis is the exact same so your measurement point do not change.
@@NickV70 got it. Appreciate the help brother. Also killer chevelles. 70 just happens to be my first love. Had a 396, green with white stripes when I was 16... Was a clone but 100% correct. I loved that car.
an how much did you charge him for all that shit? 3k or more
The package that was installed retails for about $1300.00
You can contact NorCalTruck 925.447.7800 or check out their website for more info.
looks like another wyotech graduate install.
Gake, video
Truck's beyond leveled; it's sitting "bulldog", which to me looks stupid. Anyway, while Cognito makes some great products their UCAs are a Band-Aid. They start to correct upper ball joint angles & keep the UCAs off the droop stops, but they also allow idiots to do the same thing with them that they do with stock UCAs - use longer shocks and keys that are clocked even further to make the lower ball joint, CV, and tie rod angles even worse. They leave CV & tie rod angles bad & 4WD nearly useless.
Ball joints are shit on this kit!
That is unfortunate to hear, I have had great luck with them. In most cases, I have found that it's possible that the setup may cause premature wear. You can check the ball joint mounting position plus ensure you have acceptable droop travel, these 2 major things can cause wear.
Worthless