Still misleading. That’s video decoding which is performed on a codec block. This has nothing to do with the CPU cores and everything do with a matured understanding of AV1 and how to efficiently decode it in fixed function.
@@sonichedgehog36 By that definition, every company does misleading benchmarks, including AMD and NVIDIA(which is true, companies generally tend to make sure their benchmarks are as favourable as possible make their products look more attractive)
Tom Peterson is one of Intel's BEST assets. I'm so glad that Intel is willing to let Tom speak and interact with the press and media and he is able to freely talk about a LOT of things. That's such a HUGE asset for Intel as companies then to muzzle their engineering employees.
After initially being impressed by this guy, I also start seeing that he is just a corporate puppet of his employer. He says what he is allowed to say, nothing more nothing less. Also if you are familiar with the subject of computer graphics, you will start spotting the moments when he is plain bullshtting, or saying stupid things. Because he just presents what he is told to present.
On the ither hand, I would wait for the reliable independent 3rd party testers, to see how much of that is reality vs staged fake numbers. We know vendors can be extremely creative, when they want to distort reality to provide them advantage (a.k.a lying).
@@runninginthe90s75 Delivery was cynical but they got a point, the improvement in that test is so extreme because Meteor Lake doesn't have hardware acceleration of that particular codec (VVC/H.266), Intel doesn't hide that fact, they display it in big bold letters, but to a crowd that doesn't know what they mean, they might as well not be there. I have no doubts that Lunar Lake is better than Meteor Lake in that regard but in a like for like comparison it'll probably look closer to 1/3 of the power draw not 1/10.
@@HoveringAboveMyself Yes, but we are expecting content to move to VVC pretty quick from this point. New recording devices will capture in H.266 so hardware decoders for it are good (it's not mainly the compression, its smooth streaming that is the selling point).
@@drinkwater9891 battery life is bad cuz it's not is meant to be portable, 12th gen i7 and and discrete gpu, even though the card is potentially much better optimisation is horrendous is fortnite, especially is dx11, but i have to play dx 11 as at dx12 all power goes to gpu and my cpu is left with 20 watts, on dx 11 it runs at 50watts, at least i can ran local llms on this card as it has 12 gb of vram
lol - when your boss finds out you're gaming on your work laptop when you're supposed to be completing that report and submitting it to shareholders... This, is Lunar Lake 🤣
exactly. The devil is always in the details. Technically you can state it was using raytraced shadows, but at such a low quality, that is practically not much better than plain lightmaps. Also the other settings could have been dropped down to extremely low value, where it can pump out that 60 fps in 1080p. So classic intel, we dont really know what we see in these demos. Intel has many cheap tricks to fake favorable results. Thatswhy never trust demos made by the vendor, where you cannot validate the conditions.
@GamerloadersYou cant tell that from a video, that was recorded from many meters away from that screen, then uploaded as an overcompressed video to YT.
Pretty interesting. raytraced shadow is a fairly low GPU demand feature, but good to see it's capable to do it. I am just wondering the production cost for these chips, it's so much more complex than the snapdragon ARM processors.
i doubt it will be cheap, not because of advance packaging but because advanced node is very expensive nowadays. But lunar lake is a very small SoC, even smaller than meteor lake-H SoC while included memory inside the package. I hope it will not be very expensive because of that small size and small die.
Power effeciency is key but on top of that you will have an average of 14% increase in across the board performance but in some cases much higher and then add to that a huge bump in GPU performance with a final increase in AI performance...
At around the 4:45 mark he says that the f1 game behind him is running at 1080p with ray tracing on at 60 fps and higher. Thats the only real number I heard in the video other than the power efficiency figures in the beginning of the vid.
It's not going to be more performant on multicore: 4P + 4 E is not gonna be better than 6P + 8E. However, single threaded performance maybe will be better but it depends on the power budget. Lunar Lake is Intel's response to the Apple M-series macbook airs: it should demonstrate that X86 is more than competitive against ARM. Lion Cove itself looks interesting because it appears that it is able to be customized into many different flavors for segmentation: ultra low-power, medium power, and high power desktop applications (even HPC in datacenters too)! Intel's new approach looks interesting and smart.
I don't like to pontificate about people based on their profession, but instead of people wasting sentences in front of Tom Peterson by asking if they can say EU ASL, high school hardware enthusiasts could have learned more from Peterson and about the Lunar Lake architecture.
Sadly intel can’t compete with strix at all. Even more,Battlemage dgpu wasn’t even talked about at all. It should have been beginning this year and since they didn’t even sad a word to oem‘s until today, there won’t be battlemage this year. Nobody wants intels chip in there handhelds, because they can’t compete even close to old hawk point and definitely not against strix.
but i think lunar lake is never intended to compete against strix point. while strix point can operate at low tdp just like lunar lake but i doubt it will be more efficient than lunar lake. arrow lake is the more appropriate rival for strix point. unfortunately it will come much later in Q4
Strix is a completely different market segment, this is targeting the low power ultrabook and handheld markets. Strix is more of an H class competitor, though there will be U class parts.
@@IcyTorment People don't rush out and buy laptops for Performance lol and the battery life is rather terrible even for Macs lol, well it is good for what tit is, but needs to be way better, perhaps I just don't see a practical use case for me, good on them though for making improvements, I just didn't think they were all that great, Intel is late to the party again and probably will be over priced, but I still really like Intel none the less
@@swagyolo8602 Was hoping Intel realized AMD was pushing new cpus next month and Intel was going to fight them early but alas I was not only disappointed because they aren't matching AMDs release date I was a bit disappointed again to find out their big news is just some crusty laptop cpus or something. I'm not saying it isn't good, it is excellent, it just isn't excellent news for me as such. But hey who knows maybe it is good news if I ever get a new laptop. Just wasn't what I was expecting is all, no worries sir, sorry for raining on your parade! Have a lovely day!
@@Blockah Fair enough. The fact that Intel has improved power efficiency in laptops by nearly 40% while also achieving a performance increase of over 14% is a clear indication that similar positive results can be expected in the upcoming desktop segment. This also serves as evidence that Intel's 5n4y plan is progressing smoothly and without major issues. Let's maintain a positive outlook on this. Hope you have a nice day too brother.
Your Gods Intel as well. Actually, they make most of the Chips on the Motherboard. Except for the CPU, RAM and Chipset (PCI Bus). The southbridge = Sound and Networking and Serial = Your God.
More Lunar Lake details here at HotHardware! hothardware.com/reviews/intel-lunar-lake-deep-dive
Bravo Intel, instead of showing just charts Intel is actually doing live demos
Still misleading. That’s video decoding which is performed on a codec block. This has nothing to do with the CPU cores and everything do with a matured understanding of AV1 and how to efficiently decode it in fixed function.
@@sonichedgehog36 By that definition, every company does misleading benchmarks, including AMD and NVIDIA(which is true, companies generally tend to make sure their benchmarks are as favourable as possible make their products look more attractive)
@@auritro3903 obviously, thats why people wait for third party reviews
Tom Peterson is one of Intel's BEST assets.
I'm so glad that Intel is willing to let Tom speak and interact with the press and media and he is able to freely talk about a LOT of things.
That's such a HUGE asset for Intel as companies then to muzzle their engineering employees.
After initially being impressed by this guy, I also start seeing that he is just a corporate puppet of his employer. He says what he is allowed to say, nothing more nothing less. Also if you are familiar with the subject of computer graphics, you will start spotting the moments when he is plain bullshtting, or saying stupid things. Because he just presents what he is told to present.
2.5 watts vs 25 watts for 4k video playback is impressive!
On the ither hand, I would wait for the reliable independent 3rd party testers, to see how much of that is reality vs staged fake numbers. We know vendors can be extremely creative, when they want to distort reality to provide them advantage (a.k.a lying).
@@ricsip Who hurt you? LOL
@@runninginthe90s75 Delivery was cynical but they got a point, the improvement in that test is so extreme because Meteor Lake doesn't have hardware acceleration of that particular codec (VVC/H.266), Intel doesn't hide that fact, they display it in big bold letters, but to a crowd that doesn't know what they mean, they might as well not be there. I have no doubts that Lunar Lake is better than Meteor Lake in that regard but in a like for like comparison it'll probably look closer to 1/3 of the power draw not 1/10.
@@HoveringAboveMyself Yes, but we are expecting content to move to VVC pretty quick from this point. New recording devices will capture in H.266 so hardware decoders for it are good (it's not mainly the compression, its smooth streaming that is the selling point).
it's hw vs sw, that's not a surprise at all
Very impressive with Intel Lunar Lake gaming performance, Arc Battlemage on Lunar Lake is gonna be real beast for Windows gaming handheld.
On fortnite my modern laptop with arc a730m is worse than gtx 1060 which is almost 10 years old on my old laptop
@@Tatar_Pianolol
@@Tatar_Piano but what about battery life, and how much worse
@@drinkwater9891 battery life is bad cuz it's not is meant to be portable, 12th gen i7 and and discrete gpu, even though the card is potentially much better optimisation is horrendous is fortnite, especially is dx11, but i have to play dx 11 as at dx12 all power goes to gpu and my cpu is left with 20 watts, on dx 11 it runs at 50watts, at least i can ran local llms on this card as it has 12 gb of vram
Intel Lunar Lake is here to proof x86 CPU can be as efficient as ARM CPU.
Cant wait lol,
i'm betting it is more efficient, especially with panther lake
I love it!
Funny it needed someone to shake the seat
X86 will be MILES superior than ARM for many, MANY years to come still.
Tom always with the organic down to earth demos
lol - when your boss finds out you're gaming on your work laptop when you're supposed to be completing that report and submitting it to shareholders... This, is Lunar Lake 🤣
Game ready drivers is so important. This is pretty insane.
1080p ✅
Rt shadows ✅
Xess upscale ✅
But at what settings?
Medium, High or ultra high.
irrelevant tbh, a laptop soc doing this is impressive regardless.
exactly. The devil is always in the details. Technically you can state it was using raytraced shadows, but at such a low quality, that is practically not much better than plain lightmaps. Also the other settings could have been dropped down to extremely low value, where it can pump out that 60 fps in 1080p. So classic intel, we dont really know what we see in these demos. Intel has many cheap tricks to fake favorable results. Thatswhy never trust demos made by the vendor, where you cannot validate the conditions.
@GamerloadersYou cant tell that from a video, that was recorded from many meters away from that screen, then uploaded as an overcompressed video to YT.
@@ricsip u talking bad about intel, why tho?
@@milky_reacts Probably an AMD fanboy who holds AMD stocks.
Looks promising, thanks Dave.
Our pleasure, Thanks for watching!
Incredible chip. Intel is going to own the gaming handheld market this year now.
pretty sure console still use amd and sign deal with them
@Gamerloaders playstation, xbox, nintendo ?
does arm prepare something in 2024 against intel ?
@@vkobevk Why are you changing the subject to consoles?
@@IcyTorment because console is not gaming anymore ?
@@vkobevk steamdeck, asus rog ally?
I wasn't planning on getting a lunar lake desktop but been looking for either a handheld or laptop. These look good.
Lunar Lake is perfect for tablets
Pretty interesting. raytraced shadow is a fairly low GPU demand feature, but good to see it's capable to do it. I am just wondering the production cost for these chips, it's so much more complex than the snapdragon ARM processors.
We’ll have to see. If it’s affordable I’ll get one.
i doubt it will be cheap, not because of advance packaging but because advanced node is very expensive nowadays. But lunar lake is a very small SoC, even smaller than meteor lake-H SoC while included memory inside the package. I hope it will not be very expensive because of that small size and small die.
Their previous iGPU has RT cores but it didn't have XMX support so it was using an inferior version of XeSS.
Gotta love to see Davinci Resolve on demos. Nowadays you can edit on your laptop unplugged, that is crazy
More gaming benchmark please
Can anyone explain to me how is lunar lake compared to meteor lake in terms of perfomance, I only notice the power efficiency of lunar lake
Power effeciency is key but on top of that you will have an average of 14% increase in across the board performance but in some cases much higher and then add to that a huge bump in GPU performance with a final increase in AI performance...
At around the 4:45 mark he says that the f1 game behind him is running at 1080p with ray tracing on at 60 fps and higher. Thats the only real number I heard in the video other than the power efficiency figures in the beginning of the vid.
It's not going to be more performant on multicore: 4P + 4 E is not gonna be better than 6P + 8E.
However, single threaded performance maybe will be better but it depends on the power budget. Lunar Lake is Intel's response to the Apple M-series macbook airs: it should demonstrate that X86 is more than competitive against ARM.
Lion Cove itself looks interesting because it appears that it is able to be customized into many different flavors for segmentation: ultra low-power, medium power, and high power desktop applications (even HPC in datacenters too)! Intel's new approach looks interesting and smart.
i am happy when my cpu not turning into oven in summer 😅
Thank you so much for the responses 😆
Intel built this using tsmc 3nm node
Very impressive
this is hurting Meteor lake users
Gotta give it to early adopters
Cars hurt horse and carriage riders
Made by TSMC N3B/N6
I want to see mediatek-nvidia vs this chip next year and I will finally choose a winner to take place on my desk.
I don't like to pontificate about people based on their profession, but instead of people wasting sentences in front of Tom Peterson by asking if they can say EU ASL, high school hardware enthusiasts could have learned more from Peterson and about the Lunar Lake architecture.
man! that was slow. Developer kit. ok I got it.
Sadly intel can’t compete with strix at all. Even more,Battlemage dgpu wasn’t even talked about at all. It should have been beginning this year and since they didn’t even sad a word to oem‘s until today, there won’t be battlemage this year. Nobody wants intels chip in there handhelds, because they can’t compete even close to old hawk point and definitely not against strix.
Lmao.. let's wait and see...
but i think lunar lake is never intended to compete against strix point. while strix point can operate at low tdp just like lunar lake but i doubt it will be more efficient than lunar lake. arrow lake is the more appropriate rival for strix point. unfortunately it will come much later in Q4
Strix is a completely different market segment, this is targeting the low power ultrabook and handheld markets. Strix is more of an H class competitor, though there will be U class parts.
Lol who cares about some laptop chips?
People buying laptops and gaming handhelds?
@@IcyTorment People don't rush out and buy laptops for Performance lol and the battery life is rather terrible even for Macs lol, well it is good for what tit is, but needs to be way better, perhaps I just don't see a practical use case for me, good on them though for making improvements, I just didn't think they were all that great, Intel is late to the party again and probably will be over priced, but I still really like Intel none the less
@@Blockah If you don't care, why are you watching this video in the first place?
@@swagyolo8602 Was hoping Intel realized AMD was pushing new cpus next month and Intel was going to fight them early but alas I was not only disappointed because they aren't matching AMDs release date I was a bit disappointed again to find out their big news is just some crusty laptop cpus or something.
I'm not saying it isn't good, it is excellent, it just isn't excellent news for me as such.
But hey who knows maybe it is good news if I ever get a new laptop.
Just wasn't what I was expecting is all, no worries sir, sorry for raining on your parade!
Have a lovely day!
@@Blockah Fair enough.
The fact that Intel has improved power efficiency in laptops by nearly 40% while also achieving a performance increase of over 14% is a clear indication that similar positive results can be expected in the upcoming desktop segment. This also serves as evidence that Intel's 5n4y plan is progressing smoothly and without major issues. Let's maintain a positive outlook on this.
Hope you have a nice day too brother.
Intel is dead
Tell me you have no clue without telling me
Maetor = Fujitsu being Stoned.
Lunar = Moon. Apple's Moon Planet going into a Black Hole.
Your Gods Intel as well. Actually, they make most of the Chips on the Motherboard. Except for the CPU, RAM and Chipset (PCI Bus). The southbridge = Sound and Networking and Serial = Your God.
Their Moon is Going Into a Black Hole