I think this was a great video! Any company selling carbon bikes, including Trek should be sharing videos like this. I know for a ton of riders, it’s not the cost that has them hesitating to purchase a carbon bike but the reliability. Your video helps put a lot of those concerns to rest. 🤘🏼
That vice tool test makes me feel better about thinking I cracked my frame while pressing out my lower shock bearing with the park tool sbk1. I just one handed torque pretty snugged but not hanging off it. I heard a snap but I think it was because bearing was seized. I didn’t go as tight as you did and you didn’t have any damage? I have trek slash carbon 9.8 xt
Great video! I'm eternally frustrated at how folks will decide that a carbon frame is essentially an eggshell and then go tell others when they've never broken one, either CF or alloy. I didn't know there were so many materials engineers out there! We should all just put the frame durability comparison thing to bed - manufacturers wouldn't be offering lifetime warranties on both cf and alloy frames if they knew one (the vastly more expensive one at that) would just fall apart with regular use. In addition, the field has come a long way since the introduction of the stuff. That said, something I'd like to see (if you do this again) is to damage a frame little by little and do some bunny hops, wheelies, stoppies, etc on the grass in between. That way, when it fails we'd get a ballpark of what kind of damage it really takes to retire a frame and not just chip the paint. Thanks, and subbed!
They're for sure not egg shells but also not the indestructible material some people think they are. Also depends on how the frame is made, all CF frames are not equal....Depends on how they layer the CF, how much CF they use, what type CF they use & type of resin/how much is used, etc... As you can see in the video the frames don't like to be hit with heavy pointy objects. Like if you take a spill & the frame lands on the sharp jagged edge of a rock= craaaack.
1. The correct way to destroy a carbon frame is just a simple crash, etc, to start a hairline crack. 2. Failing to inspect your carbon frame on a timely schedule will allow the crack to grow. 3. Out for a normal ride a day, month, or year later and something feels weird and then you notice your seat stay. 4. Start shopping for new frame. 5. Next is to remove the components you would like to use on your new build. 6. After completing your new build take your old frame to the curb for the next trash removal day.
I'm shit scared to get a carbon framed bike! I'm looking for a new bike just now and lot carbon and it's just something I don't want! Just that first wrench dropped on the down pipe you done putting a hole through it basically straight away at the start of the video that was enough said there for me to still say NoPE!
Hi bro. What do you say, looking to replace my aluminum frame Trek 8500 on a 2012 Scott Scale 20 with a carbon frame But I have doubts about the strength of some frame elements, specially upper part of the rear triangle, which looks very thin?
just so you know in case you dont, even a mico scratch in a carbon frame could render that frame useless. some cracks are even hidden inside the frame and need to be tested with expensive scanners. never ride a carbon frame if you've crashed with it before. its just not worth the risk.
And the best part about carbon fiber is the fact that it's relatively easy to repair and almost always repairable, unlike metal (doesn't matter if it was aluminum, steel or even titanium) where the only way to repair if broken is by welding, and no matter how good that's done the frame will never be the same again; if a CF frame was broken its repair method is usually done by laying up pre-preg sheets which is pretty much the same way most frames were manufactured in the first place, so the frame will be as good as a new one.
Hi Chris I have questions for you I have a 622x20 rim on my trek and I wanted to buy 622x22 but I don’t know if the bigger size is wider or the smaller the size is bigger sorry Chris I ask you a stupid question .Thank you
"I feel fine riding it." Ok boyo. Ride that frame now after all the damage you done to it. The grip destroyed the frame. Period. That wasn't paint. But if you think you're hotshot that the carbon is still intact. Now put that crap frame on your bike and go zip and do some jumps. Carbon is stiff. But most direct blows to it will decrease it's structure. The biggest reason why carbon holds it's shape well. Is due to the resin that is used. Carbon on it's own is flexible like kevlar. It's really weak alone. Even kevlar is weak and worthless. It's still a laugh i found them using that crap on bicycle locks to wrap around the steel cabling. like "OH yeah kevlar is gonna make is 10times tougher to break." ugh. Carbon is fine on stuff that wouldn't put a life body ontop. But stuff like this, Is just stupid. Bicycle companies don't seem to care about lives. They just care about marketing and money. So if you pay them for carbon. They win and if you fall and basically die. Welp. They don't care. And people are stupid enough to do so. Just like alot of things being sold now that is crap.
@@goodluckchrisclarkI just bought a trek fx sport carbon 4 for road riding.. do you think it is bad idea? Thing is all the nicer components bikes are carbon now
I think this was a great video! Any company selling carbon bikes, including Trek should be sharing videos like this. I know for a ton of riders, it’s not the cost that has them hesitating to purchase a carbon bike but the reliability. Your video helps put a lot of those concerns to rest. 🤘🏼
Thanks that's what I was thinking and hoping to help with!!
The only video I was looking for
That vice tool test makes me feel better about thinking I cracked my frame while pressing out my lower shock bearing with the park tool sbk1. I just one handed torque pretty snugged but not hanging off it. I heard a snap but I think it was because bearing was seized. I didn’t go as tight as you did and you didn’t have any damage? I have trek slash carbon 9.8 xt
No damage to the frame until I really cranked it impossibly tight
Such an amazing video as always!
Thanks man, trying to keep things interesting
Great video! I'm eternally frustrated at how folks will decide that a carbon frame is essentially an eggshell and then go tell others when they've never broken one, either CF or alloy. I didn't know there were so many materials engineers out there!
We should all just put the frame durability comparison thing to bed - manufacturers wouldn't be offering lifetime warranties on both cf and alloy frames if they knew one (the vastly more expensive one at that) would just fall apart with regular use. In addition, the field has come a long way since the introduction of the stuff.
That said, something I'd like to see (if you do this again) is to damage a frame little by little and do some bunny hops, wheelies, stoppies, etc on the grass in between. That way, when it fails we'd get a ballpark of what kind of damage it really takes to retire a frame and not just chip the paint.
Thanks, and subbed!
Thanks, I'll look into making another video when I get the chance!
They're for sure not egg shells but also not the indestructible material some people think they are. Also depends on how the frame is made, all CF frames are not equal....Depends on how they layer the CF, how much CF they use, what type CF they use & type of resin/how much is used, etc... As you can see in the video the frames don't like to be hit with heavy pointy objects. Like if you take a spill & the frame lands on the sharp jagged edge of a rock= craaaack.
Amazing content Sir! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Broooooo my eyes didn't see it. Love trek brooo. Very hard testing. ❤️❤️❤️👍
Stronger then I thought!
Legit the most broken frames I see are trek and canyon. Carbon is for racers and fatbikes ;) great video!
Had fun making this one
1. The correct way to destroy a carbon frame is just a simple crash, etc, to start a hairline crack.
2. Failing to inspect your carbon frame on a timely schedule will allow the crack to grow.
3. Out for a normal ride a day, month, or year later and something feels weird and then you notice your seat stay.
4. Start shopping for new frame.
5. Next is to remove the components you would like to use on your new build.
6. After completing your new build take your old frame to the curb for the next trash removal day.
I'm shit scared to get a carbon framed bike! I'm looking for a new bike just now and lot carbon and it's just something I don't want! Just that first wrench dropped on the down pipe you done putting a hole through it basically straight away at the start of the video that was enough said there for me to still say NoPE!
Hi bro. What do you say, looking to replace my aluminum frame Trek 8500 on a 2012 Scott Scale 20 with a carbon frame
But I have doubts about the strength of some frame elements, specially upper part of the rear triangle, which looks very thin?
just so you know in case you dont, even a mico scratch in a carbon frame could render that frame useless. some cracks are even hidden inside the frame and need to be tested with expensive scanners. never ride a carbon frame if you've crashed with it before. its just not worth the risk.
Never had an issue with a carbon frame blowing up, crashed many times. Old carbon yes but new stuff I would not even be concerned
And the best part about carbon fiber is the fact that it's relatively easy to repair and almost always repairable, unlike metal (doesn't matter if it was aluminum, steel or even titanium) where the only way to repair if broken is by welding, and no matter how good that's done the frame will never be the same again; if a CF frame was broken its repair method is usually done by laying up pre-preg sheets which is pretty much the same way most frames were manufactured in the first place, so the frame will be as good as a new one.
Hi Chris I have questions for you I have a 622x20 rim on my trek and I wanted to buy 622x22 but I don’t know if the bigger size is wider or the smaller the size is bigger sorry Chris I ask you a stupid question .Thank you
Bigger size is wider, no worries
@@goodluckchrisclark Thank you 🙏
What if you hit it with a Pontiac g6
You got one to borrow
No don’t do that 😅
Hi Chris what do you with the beat up frame are you going to sell it ,if you do I would buy it.
Oh it got fully destroyed after a day with the shop guys
@@goodluckchrisclark 👍
"I feel fine riding it." Ok boyo. Ride that frame now after all the damage you done to it. The grip destroyed the frame. Period. That wasn't paint. But if you think you're hotshot that the carbon is still intact. Now put that crap frame on your bike and go zip and do some jumps.
Carbon is stiff. But most direct blows to it will decrease it's structure. The biggest reason why carbon holds it's shape well. Is due to the resin that is used. Carbon on it's own is flexible like kevlar. It's really weak alone. Even kevlar is weak and worthless. It's still a laugh i found them using that crap on bicycle locks to wrap around the steel cabling. like "OH yeah kevlar is gonna make is 10times tougher to break." ugh.
Carbon is fine on stuff that wouldn't put a life body ontop. But stuff like this, Is just stupid. Bicycle companies don't seem to care about lives. They just care about marketing and money. So if you pay them for carbon. They win and if you fall and basically die. Welp. They don't care. And people are stupid enough to do so. Just like alot of things being sold now that is crap.
Well kinda true lol the resin holds it together and yeah I would go for a massive ride but I'd ride it out of the trails
@@goodluckchrisclarkI just bought a trek fx sport carbon 4 for road riding.. do you think it is bad idea? Thing is all the nicer components bikes are carbon now
To be honest im shocked how weak this material is... I would have expected it to last longer...